Taking Hits with Jessa Reed

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Welcome to Synchronicity. I'm recording this intro in my car 'cause this is how much time I have to do it. My guest this week is Jessa Reed. You know Jessa, we're like the one tube combo. We get it from our fans. They bounce back between our podcasts. We're fucking woo, but we're not lame, but we talk about stuff that's cool and important. Her podcast, Soberish, is one of my favorites. It's probably the podcast I listen to the most. Her Patreon is incredible. She mentions all this stuff. There's links to all this stuff, the ways to connect with her. Just one of the coolest people I've ever met.

This podcast, we focus on a lot of different things, a lot of the energy that's going on right now, kind of a feeling of uncertainty, stuckness, just shit that you probably already know is going on. And then we get into some political talk and this was a really interesting conversation for me to have. So we talk at one point about voting and this is where it's completely unfair where I do an intro and Jessa doesn't get a chance to respond, you know, I get the intro part here. So we talk about voting and there is a part where I basically divulge that I'm not going to be voting. I don't strongly believe in either of the candidates for the president.

I'm not informed locally about what's best for what I believe in. My basically, my only issue that I care about, my trigger issue is cannabis in the state of New York. And I do have, you know, my mom is super plugged into that. So I have kind of the route to go in terms of the legislative process for that. But outside of that, I really don't, I'm not putting a lot of energy into politics this election. And there is this idea that, you know, much like the mask and Jessa gets into this, I don't want to give away the whole episode, but it's not that big of a deal to vote. You know, it doesn't hurt anyone.

It's potentially helping people, you know, marginalized people. And saying you're not going to vote is potentially acknowledging or validating a sense of privilege, right? So I'm not particularly affected by, you know, the things that Donald Trump does emotionally, actually, socially, logistically. So maybe I have less of a reason to care. And I think that's a valid point. I think the most important thing for me, if I was going to elucidate or clearly state my opinion on this stuff, it's just take care of yourself first. Politics are useful. It's a game, it is life and death as a lot of things are in this world for people.

But if you don't have your own shit kind of balanced and properly handled, engaging in the political realm is very dicey. It's easy to get sucked into feelings of guilt, shame, resentment, anger, fear. And I don't find those to be productive states. To dwell in, you can experience them. You can get familiar with them. You certainly shouldn't be neglecting people who are affected by these things. But for the most part, you know, do what you need to do, right? And this episode, I mean, I know I get some pushback from some of my fans and my patrons from my Trump stances. But what you guys don't often see too, is I get a lot of people are like, you know, I feel like this too, you know?

And it's not always who you think it would be. I think a lot of people imagine when I'm talking about Trump and, you know, casting him in not the worst possible light that it's just a bunch of like, you know, angry white people saying, yeah, I love Trump, but it's not. Like the amount of people who are seemingly not part of the demographic who you would say is privileged, hit me up a lot. And are like, you know, thank you for saying this about Trump. I actually kind of feel the same way. I am not a Trump fan in the sense that I agree with any of his ideologies. I don't agree with his ethical framework.

I think he's pretty cows and coarse most of the time. But I do think there is this weird tendency to project all of our internal issues onto someone else. And Trump is a very easy target. He's one of the easiest that I've ever seen. So that is something that I believe, I'll try to elucidate this as much as possible. There's also another episode coming out with Rameen next week where we talk about a lot of the same issues. And Rameen is a little bit different than Jess in terms of his perspectives. He's, he was joking. He always feels like he's defending the right wing, you know, the alt right. And it's not, it's just that this stuff is a lot more nebulous than we think.

And again, the most important thing is to take care of yourself, like that, that your well-being, your internal state of confidence and faith and belief. That is what shapes reality. So don't get too caught up one way or the other. But it's a really interesting talk. Oh, I want to mention Ned. These guys at Ned are fucking amazing. They just sent me, I got the order for the sleep blend, the full fucking, they gave me a trial and then they gave me the big thing and that's just got shipped out. These guys are fucking awesome. Full spectrum hemp oil, CBD. This shit really, really fucking is great.

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All right, we're rolling.

Awesome. How are you?

Good, how are you? We're doing your podcast, right?

Yeah, I think we're doing it.

Okay. (all laughing)

It's a good thing to jack. That's totally different. How you been though? How's the brain fog?

Cool, today is, hold on a second. You're gonna talk about how my brain's doing good and I'm wrapped up in my cord. Today's actually pretty good yesterday was okay. I think a lot of what I've been dealing with is the medication making me sick.

Totally.

So, but yeah, today's good. And so naturally I've been running around running errands and recording several podcasts and--

Gym it all in, of course.

Yeah, yeah.

That's how you do it. Yeah, I had the same thing when I was in Turkey with the antibiotics. They fucked me up more than actually having dysentery. Like I drank alcohol one night on antibiotics too. And I thought like, oh, it just weakens the antibiotics. It's not gonna fuck you up. And I almost like passed out at a dinner. I like thought it was good.

Oh my God.

Yeah, it was looking crazy. Those meds, I mean, they just blast you and it's like--

Yeah, and I'm taking like probiotics and stuff to try to keep on top of. But then, yeah, they're crazy. I'm on like every herb you can possibly take for this. And there's something I guess where when the microbes die off, the die off makes you sick. And that's what it feels like. 'Cause it'll be rough for like two hours and it'll feel fantastic afterwards.

Right, yeah, it does, you were talking about it, but I know this is like a big theme for people as they're starting to hack the physical stuff. You know, like for me, it's always easier to do like the emotional or the psychological or even like the spiritual like shit. But then the physical stuff happens and I'll like immediately turn into a baby and forget like every single thing I've ever known and be like, I'm gonna die.

Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty dramatic. I'm not dramatic, but I think if you're around me, I seem dramatic when I'm in physical pain because I'm chronicling it the entire time, but it's part of the system I have down. But my way of dealing with pain or illness usually is if I can get, I'll like Google the thing and what it looks like. Like at one point, I kept getting ear infections. So then I Googled what the inner ear work looks like and I can kind of like reverse engineer what's out of balance.

Totally.

And so I don't know. I'm like, obviously for anyone listening, I got bit by a tick and this is I think several ticks now and everything's been pretty far out of why. Anything that happens to me, I just assume that it's so that I can hack it. And so.

And it is.

Yeah.

I think you assume that. I mean, this is like one of the things that I realized is whatever you assume is actually what's happening. It doesn't even matter if it's totally wrong objectively if you're assuming it to be true. But that's like one of those meta beliefs that's like incredibly important. Like you put it at the top. So like whatever happens to you is just like a stepping stone for you to realize something. Like that's a very, I think that's a subtle thing that a lot of people don't catch onto like how important that is for like manifestation and just like feeling a certain way. It's fucking like the most important thing.

I think that knowing this, I've been doing a lot of work to try to bypass spiritual bypassing, you know, because there are a lot of higher dimensional truths that when you throw them at third dimensional experience, they're not helpful.

At all.

And you're also talking to people with like self-worth issues still. And when people are on the binary of right or wrong, good or bad and you talk about things like have a, like for me, the reason that I believe things happen puts me in a power position to hack things, right? So if I get Lyme disease and someone else gets Lyme disease, and I believe that I got it because I'm supposed to figure it out. And this person believes they got it because nothing ever works out for them. Let's say I never get rid of it. Let's say I have it forever. But I spend the entire time I have it with a playful curiosity around reality.

And I spend time exploring and looking at things like, okay, well here is this is imbalance. What kind of imbalance is this? Okay, what kind of imbalance like this exists in the larger collective? Okay, so what could we be tinkering here? No matter what, I'm having fun.

Right.

You know what I mean?

That's the most important thing.

Right. - That's an important thing.

And it could just be a spin. I'm also more likely to find, and right now I'm not like, I just know it doesn't feel permanent to me. It feels like I might be working on this in 2021. But it feels like a clue to me. It feels, and if you've known me for any length of time and watched me go through anything, this is usually the way I look at it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, but then when we tell people who are going through shit, like everything happens for a reason, or this is, it's all in your head, or what, it's not helpful.

No, they're platitudes at that point. They don't mean it into people who are actually going through shitty stuff. But you do something that I think everyone is doing, whether they realize it or not, which is, you put your, this is one of the, when we first met, I think you said this to me, and I was like, oh shit, I never thought about like that, where you put yourself in situations so you have that inside out perspective. So then when you're talking about it, how you overcame it or did it, you're not like speculating. And that's like a big turning point for everyone when they stop like speculating about how they think things are, but then they actually have gone through it.

And then you can immediately tell, when someone's talking about something, whether it's just like guessing, or like they actually have some practical, useful, no matter how weird it is, thing to actually like get through it. That's like a huge fucking superpower.

Yeah, exactly. I don't think we really can speak to, we can have theories, but we really can't speak to experience that is an hour light, lived life experience. You know, I can tell you what my theory is of how I would overcome something, but if I haven't actually ever faced it. And I kind of knew, I think I kind of knew I would face this one day. I had a weird kind of, I don't know, preoccupation with autoimmune diseases in like 2013, my mom got one. And, you know, so I'm not terribly surprised. And there is just, you know, hopelessness is valid. It's not something I give a lot of energy to. I'm not naturally very hopeless, but I just, everything that we can do with like divine masculine energy, which is playful curiosity.

And I think that a lot of pushing and striving, I talked about this on this week's episode, that fighting, you know, when people get cancer and they're like, I'm going to war with cancer. It's like, that doesn't feel, I mean, you know, no offense. But I just, no offense of anyone who has the answer. But it feels exhausting and a pushing energy where maybe a, where an allowing energy might be more effective.

Surrendering to it also, that would be a huge thing. I mean, my theory with all of this stuff, whether it's like a broken arm, Corona, a tick-borne illness, there are, I think by the time it gets to the physical, we've probably haven't put enough awareness on either like a spiritual, emotional, or psychological issue. And so like you have those feelings that you're going to have to deal with it, which is just like a narrative and a symptom of like an energy you're going to be working through. But I think like the physical stuff, like we perceive it as so horrible because it's so acute and it like draws our mind to it.

But that's its function. It's like you can't escape this now. It's like, now you're going to have to deal with it physically. 'Cause it's like the densest part of reality that we experience. So I think just like logically the more ethereal something is, you know, the longer it will take to go down to the physical. I mean, this could be wrong, but I just like, this is like having experienced a wide spectrum of like healing stuff in my own life. And then like seeing it even on my kids and stuff, like faith healing basically, which I probably wouldn't have believed in even like a couple of years ago for as weird as I was.

But when you actually see it in action, like that she'd use some real shit about Mind Over Matter, which a lot of people like think about and pay lip service to, but then when you actually like have to process some deep shit, like, you know, like, I don't know, do you know the like Hay House, that little book she has, Louise Hay, where it's like all the parts of the body, like what may be ailing you. And then like there's a mantra for what it means, like energetically, do you know what I'm talking about?

No.

Oh shit, you would love this thing. It's Louise Hay, the Hay House lady. She is the big metaphysical fucking publishing company. But she had this like seminal book, How to Heal Your Body. And it's like for each ailment for any specific part of your body, there's like what it means, metaphysically, energetically, and then like a mantra that helps you overcome it. And so like now when I get like a physical thing, I'm not running to the book, but I always try to figure out like, where are my body is this? It's like my back hurts. Did I feel like someone stabbed me in the back? You know, if like things coming out on my skin, am I like holding things inside?

And this is the only way for me to purge it out. So like there's little clues that we give ourselves. Even the tick thing, you know what I mean? Like a tick is a weird fucking thing to transmit and give a disease just like in reality. It's like an odd thing. There's like little clues we give ourselves. Where if you can like playful, when I hear playful curiosity and divine mask, when I think of like a page of cups, like that page of cups energy and the terror, like something like you gotta take this approach. There's a lot of weird shit out there. But if there's like a weird funny fish coming out of your cup, don't freak out 'cause there's a weird funny fish coming out.

Be like, this is weird, this is kind of cool. Like what does this mean? That also paradoxically, I feel like moves you through this shit at a speed that's more comfortable for most people, like nothing to do with the length, but it's comfortable at least.

Yeah, I think, you know, we are currently integrating the fifth and sixth dimension. The seventh dimensional download is coming in January. And this time last year, I was getting like the cliff notes of what was coming with the sixth dimensional downloads. And I'm sure you remember, kept talking about it on the podcast and then deleting it. 'Cause I was like, I'm gonna scare people because I knew 2020 was just gonna be, you know, a show of death.

Yeah, totally.

And 70 so far is just a fucking crisp glass of water. I think by 2019, standards 2021 is still gonna seem, it's gonna have a lot of death in it. But by 2020 standards 2021 has a lot of new birth and new birth born of the death and especially the death coming in the next couple of months. And where the sixth dimension brought the beginning of like, what do you want? Like what did you come here to do? What is your passion? Which obviously then collapsed, began to collapse the obligatory systems of the old world. The seventh dimension's earth energy. It's all about connecting. It's all about this is where massive awakenings come and people go, we're just out of balance with this thing.

Like we're just completely disconnected from nature and this planet and ourselves. And we're gonna realize how symptom management created chronic illness.

Totally.

And medicine was like really medicine industry, fucking, like everything's so unconsciously masculine. And by that, I'm not talking about sex or gender, I'm talking about these old systems are just like so a thousand times more difficult than they need to be. And they are out of balance. And this whole next like 2021 into 2022 is going to be kind of restoring that balance and all this shit is gonna make sense. And we're gonna realize that everything is everything is everything. And that where your back pain is is a clue. And that rather than do something that damages other systems in your body, you're just gonna bring this thing back into restoration.

We're gonna realize that the way that we make food and the earth's not gonna be a fucking choice. This thing blows up in a few years or we get our shit together. But I think there's a massive awakening that comes with the eclipses in 2020, 2021, sorry, in January that really kind of starts to bring, I think people are about to get traumatized over the course of the next couple of months in a way that is going to lead to them being ripe for an awakening.

But yeah, I feel kind of bad sometimes. I don't actually, but like, I know you get this, but I've had like 20 plus years of experience of like living like this now. So now I'm just excited that things are actually like catching up to what I knew to be true. But I recognize what it must feel like for someone who was adhering or imagining like a certain type of like logic based systems are good. Like everything makes sense. Like reality now it's being blown apart. And it's pretty gentle, like that's what leads me to like what I think some people perceive as like overly optimistic is like for all the things that could go wrong in an infinite reality, like shit doesn't really go wrong.

Like we look at Corona and it's not a good thing and like people die from it, but like, this could have wiped out 90% of the population. There's no rule that says the virus only has to kill this many people. Like it could have been the worst case scenario, but what it seems to be doing is kind of gently guiding us towards force change. Like you can't actually run the old patterns. It like stopped it. Denise had a really cool thing. She said where she thinks viruses are feminine and bacteria is masculine energy. So she thinks this virus is like a female kind of like awakening kind of destruction catalyst thing death laden making people confront their inner kind of like fears and desires, which is like for most people like dying alone separated from your family in a hospital.

It's like the worst fucking thing people can imagine. And people are having to do that. But I do think like it does lead to what you're talking about which is a much more kind of expansive yet stabilized view of how this place works and what we actually want to be doing and experiencing here and not just thinking that's like a pipe dream, that's like just the fantasy and like that can't actually happen. I do think that's beginning to pipe in for more and more people. 2021, I don't know. 2021, I feel like for, I don't know, half the people it's going to be fucking amazing like dreams coming true.

And like the other half is just going to, it's going to seem like actual Armageddon, like actual.

Yeah, I guess I should clarify that. The death will continue for a couple of years for, it's basically the old world is dying. And how much you identify with it is how much of that you will experience. Once again, this is something that people will run through a filter of worth. You cannot earn your way to the higher dimensions. It's not a race. It's actually, I have come to think that maybe the people who haven't been dying and being reborn for two straight fucking decades are smarter than us, that they picked that template. So this isn't to say people who are suffering are less than or not evolved enough.

The higher dimensions are happening for everyone, the old systems are dying, okay? So for people who think that the election is going to change anything, there is a big potential there to get hurt in the expectation, right?

Right, right.

I'm voting just to fucking, you know what I mean? So that I can say this, but I don't, there is no part of me that thinks that the revolution will be legislated.

I'm not voting.

Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like why not?

I felt bad.

You know what I mean?

The last time I voted, that's the reason I'm not. I voted in Hillary and it didn't matter. I was in Maryland, she was gonna win anyway. There was no like significance to it. I just like felt like after the fact, I was like, I don't know why I voted for that. It wasn't something I actually cared and was passionate about. I also think just like, I don't know, I don't know about politics anymore. It just feels like an attention game. And I completely am aware of the real world implications theoretically that all of these decisions have, even the Supreme Court stuff, like it's a big deal. But I don't know, I've really gotten fucking, I'd like to say indifferent.

I don't think I'm even resistant to the energy now or like I just dislike it. I just like, I don't know, I'm not gonna vote this year, I don't think.

I think two things can exist at the same time. And I think up until very, I don't believe that politics are real. I think that the elections are rigged. I don't think we actually get to decide. But I'm a middle-aged white woman with a lot of privilege who like honestly, you know what I'm saying? So there's two things can exist at the same time. And I don't think I'm really in the position to, like what if I'm wrong? You know what I mean?

What if you're wrong about it and it does matter that it doesn't hurt, like we can just vote. Like just vote, do I think it's going to do anything? No, I don't, like these, they are all corrupt. It is all awful, I'm not, I am definitely not of the camp that believes that just because all politicians are shit that that somehow makes those two on the same playing field, I just feel like, I don't know. I just, I, you know, I was very passionate about politics when I was young and I watched George Bush steal an election.

You too, I protested at the Supreme Court. Literally, it was there.

And I just haven't felt they don't, like in the part of me that understands how things work, it feels rigged. It feels extremely rigged to me. That being said, I feel like I am, you know, I just don't, I like, why not just vote and then have that opinion? Why not have just--

It does give you kind of more of a leg to stand on with people who maybe would be questioning how you can have opinion on politics at all, if you're not voting, I guess.

Well, their perspective is true. Like their perspective is also true in the third dimension, their perspective is also true. That's also like what they believe to be true. And when they, not that I'm out trying to convince anyone of anything, but it's just kind of the same thing with the math. I just am like, you know, is the mask gonna kill me in public? No, does it make people feel safe? Just fucking do it. I don't need to know about particle sizes and shit who gives a fuck. I might feel different if I had to wear it, you know? I don't think so, but like, I don't need to know the fucking science behind like--

Just doing like, 'cause why not? Yeah, I do it--

Because there's other people in the world, and whether or not it's true, right now, to the best of everyone's knowledge, me wearing a mask protects death. And that's, so when these people, everyone's traumatized right now. Everyone has fucking PTSD, everyone is going through it, and they're scared. I do know people dying of this shit. I know several people who got it, and it hasn't gone away. I'm like not scared of it, because like, obviously look at me, I'm not scared of much. But people are out, and they're scared, and it's like, I could put on a mask, and like, let you know, I give a flying fuck about your well-being.

Totally.

What a weird fucking, you know, I'm gonna get Adam with the motherfucker for this. It's just, I don't get it, it's not--

It's not worth it. I think, I feel like the people, at least what I would call sensible people who are anti-mask, A, they're probably still wearing the masks, but I think it's more like this idea that somehow your freedom is being restricted somehow, and it's such an odd thing like lying in the sand to draw. Like, it's pointless number one, it's not a big deal, but I do think people like really view it as kind of like, it's probably just an insecurity. People feel powerless. I think that's like the main thing I'm realizing in this, is I've felt pretty powerful most of the time, not all the time, but a lot of people are freak the fuck out the vast majority of the time.

They don't know, it's living in uncertainty, every single day, from like the base level shit that we took for granted, like sending kids to school, like just all the basic level shit. And now everyone is having to deal with it, whether they were prepared or not, whether they thought it was coming. And I think like, that's just it, but this is where I think like a lot of the stuff you talk about, and I try to talk about on my podcast is like empowering people and showing them that no matter what's going on, like you have this like core sense of who you are that is always there, and that is kind of like the generative operative mechanism that shapes this external world.

And a lot of people, I think in the game we're playing have to realize that collectively to like actually reshape this place to make it like what we envisioned it to be, but it starts with people realizing like, you can actually do what you wanna be doing. There's this weird line, and I hear you kind of like, get into it a lot, like a fair amount with like this privilege idea. 'Cause like I'm even more privileged, you can even I'm a white straight male, like you don't get more privileged in society than this, the way I at least kind of shield myself from getting like either guilty or feeling bad or aggressive, like I just feel like I'm in this position for a reason.

I incarnated in this body for a reason. It's probably to talk about this shit candidly about my expressions and what I hear from other people who go through different shit, who are just different lives to me. I feel like that's kind of like the purpose of it. And so it guards me against, 'cause like I don't know if you've had this in readings, but I've had people call up and like, I'll call them and they'll be like, you know, I felt really bad about like the Black Lives Matter stuff. And so like I got really like active in like the community, but then like fizzled out and I felt weird and I felt like I was doing it for the wrong reason.

And what I usually find like the cards or other stuff is saying is like, focus on your own shit first. If you are someone who is genuinely passionate about like social activism or issues out in the world with the political or otherwise, like that will remain no matter what you're doing. But if you like start to look at your own shit, deal with those things, you may find you're not actually as engaged with that as you were, not to say you won't be, but like I think there's this like key level of stabilizing your own shit while maintaining like the perspectives of everyone else that a lot of people are hacking.

I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say. It's just a weird kind of like multi-perspective view where the focus has to remain on your personal power to like be the best version of who you can. So if you actually wanna help, that's how you do it. And that can look like anything, you know, like going out and helping people like what's Dan? Like I see Dan on Instagram and I'm like, fucking Jesus Christ man, like you, this is your life. Like you really fucking like, I'd say I care about homeless people. That dude really fucking cares about homeless people. Like that's some real like living life shit.

I'm like, that's fucking, that's an example. Someone like--

I'm telling you these fucking, these 25 to 35 year olds, I don't know what Jen Z is doing, probably just being hilarious. But they're like built for this. They're fucking built for the revolution. I think, yeah, I don't, I think, I think, if I understand what you're saying here, I have a few thoughts. The, I haven't gotten that in readings.

I got it.

I've seen it, you know, I saw like obviously in June, there was a lot of performative activism.

Yeah, the black squares and everything.

And then, and I think that there was value even in that because it did just change the narrative real quick. I think the real work to be done while working on one's personal power is redistributing the, you know, the power, the energy on the planet. I did notice a shift in my listenership when I committed to like, I committed to, but like was referencing this over and over again. 'Cause the amount of spiritual bypassing and platitudes throwing and everything else that I saw in the spiritual community. So now I kind of don't talk without doing that. But when I did like more social issues, I noticed like less people listening, which makes me laugh so hard.

'Cause I never wanted the fucking love and lighters in the first fucking place. I hated that they followed me. And then I lost them with that shit and I love it. 'Cause you know what I did after that? Five fucking weeks on manifest and none of 'em heard it. (laughing) Fuck in, pull up your yoga pants, bitch. So, oh God, there was something else that you said. We were talking about, what were you talking about? Personal power, privilege, engaging with a multi-perspective view. Yes, yeah. Yeah, so I think that I keep getting, I'm about to release an episode of Alien School that was actually recorded during the tick thing, but I talk about perspectives and I keep just getting perspective, perspective, perspective.

We're gonna learn to like kind of start to hold space for different perspectives. That doesn't mean we agree with them, but we just start to understand how the different perspectives fit into the grand scheme of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the reality is that what a lot of matte, like not to harp on the anti-maskers and I already know that I'm gonna piss people off at this. So, hear me out for a second. The anti-mass movement is a great, and I'm not, I actually have space for a lot of anti-movements. I see where everyone's coming from. That's my gift is I see every perspective. So I am not mocking people who are anti-mass, but I think that when you see these like protests, they're all largely privileged, right, people.

And this is their first time being told what to do. I mean, to the best of their knowledge, like to me, the masks and the lockdown didn't seem like a huge infringement on my riots, first of all, 'cause I avoided people, which was my dream reality. Yeah. But, you know, I do what I always do, which is like, you know, they give some black and white rule because people can't self-regulate. So they need to be told like specifically yes and no about everything, but whenever we're told that shit, you can just kind of color outside the lines, just and do it, right? I haven't felt like we have freedom in this country for 20 years.

I've been like, this is propaganda. This is not true. This is not a free, every single fucking moment of your life is micromanage. Right. And the sensation that, you know, we're being tricked and controlled is for a lot of people, they point that at like what they consider to be them, which is like liberals or whatever, people who believe in the pandemic and then the people who believe in the pandemic or like those guys are anti-science and you can just kind of see it's this belief that your discomfort is coming from someone outside of you. And so it's playing out in this mask thing. And it is just really, you know, you see the people and a lot of times people don't know why they're upset about shit.

You know, people are like riding outside of their kid's school and it's like, you just don't want to deal with your fucking kids anymore. Like I did listen.

Yeah, totally understandable. Everyone gets that.

I get it, but there's a lot more happening here. This is really your only time, your first time being told like having your comfort taken.

Yeah, yeah. And so it feels like this giant conspiracy, which there is kind of a giant conspiracy, but it's been going on a lot longer than 2020. And that's what's actually happening. Underneath all of this unrest is the batteries in the matrix are coming out of the matrix. And there's a sensation that we're being lied to and there's a sensation that nothing is what it seems. And then kind of whatever you get introduced to, they're like Donald Trump is saving children from pedophiles that live underground in L.A. and they're like, that feels true. It's 'cause it feels like there's something. So I think that a lot of this chaos and fighting amongst ourselves and everything out, like that's all gonna happen for the next year or whatever.

I think a lot of people's awakening is gonna come via that sort of thing.

Yeah, I mean, it definitely, people are flipping the fuck out. I don't know, like this past, so like a year ago, I think I caught like a pretty big wave, like an awakening wave. And I had experienced it before and, but it felt a lot different. It felt like a more stable kind of energy that was like sustainable. And I think more of those are coming for people. And then since then, I'd say starting like six months ago, like I think what kind of like elevated me to a point where I could deal with like difficult life circumstances in like a very graceful way for the most part, then I started having to start to integrate like all the emotional and like spiritual and psychological stuff into my life.

And then I started getting these experiences that started like pulling all this like shadow material out. And I feel like that's what a lot of people are also going through now. Like this stuff is literally being like dragged out of us. I think by us and like exposed. And then if you get trapped in this pattern where you think this is just your life, you just run it over and over and over again until you're ready to pop out of it. But I do think these waves that are coming like which is going to feel like an apocalypse for a lot of people, it is designed to like not only wake people up, but like kind of level them up to a point where they may go back to sleep.

They may kind of like tune things out for a little bit, but they're going to have this like elevated perspective and get what you're talking about, which I think is just like, it's like an evolutionary thing is being able to look at multiple perspectives that are completely opposed to each other sometimes and still see the validity in them. I do this in like a very bizarre way. Like I was like, I don't want to say a Trump fan for a few months during the pandemic, but I found him genuinely entertaining a decent antidote to what I felt was like hyper overreaction to some things. And this isn't like, I also know people who have died.

I know people who are like personally connected to who have this right now and it's not they're in the hospital and shit. So it's not that I'm just saying that like, it's not a big deal. Don't worry about it, but shit, people are too ready to blame a virus, a person, a politician, someone in their life for like what's going on in their lives. I'm like, this is where I was saying like the personal power thing. It's not like power to make your life the most magical amazing thing ever, although it is that, but it's a deal with your own shit. Like I think that is the energy that feels like a 2021 thing.

I don't know, I have 2024 as like the like total marking point of like, this is a new reality. Like it's fully clicked in. We can look back at this stuff as like transitional periods, but it's gonna qualitatively everyone's kind of base level gonna acknowledge this different place. What are you, what are you, what are you thinking timelines?

I'm thinking 2020, yeah, 2024 and 2027 are two big ones. One thing I wanted to say about the Trump thing and God, I can't wait to stop talking about this.

Yeah.

Trump is our collective shadow and one thing that like, we've lived in a gas, a state of being gas lit and perpetuating the gas lighting on marginalized communities, our whole lives. In the 90s, I remember people being like racism is over. I remember Rodney King happening and people being like, this isn't possible, racism is over. I can't imagine what it's like to be a marginalized community and have that fucking pumped into your head. But as white people, we've lived in this fantasy world where everyone lives in the same reality as us and like, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and if you work hard, you can have it, whatever.

And this person has come along and then also men with women, whatever. All of these things that were being done in the dark and the lies and the manipulation are now right in front of our face in a way that is like overstimulating and traumatizing and it's not lost to me that he's a narcissist and that, you know, I think narcissism is more of like a software that we run than like people.

Yeah, totally.

But that method of society, which is just toxic codependency, all of it. He represents all of it and he has as excruciating as it is and this is, I am by no means pro him and cannot fucking wait until this part is over. He has forced us to look at it in a way that it will be recognized everywhere it exists from now on you. There is no unringing the spell, there is no going back to like dignified, I'm using air quotes right now, politics. That always drove me nuts about politics is that everyone was full of shit. They were all doing it behind closed doors and then acting like they had some morality or whatever.

So now that's-

That was his end. That was his crack in the door, by the way. That's-

Right.

Those are the qualities that I hate to use the word admire but I understood the lore of someone who didn't even like anything that he was saying, didn't agree with any of his policy things, like just in a minute it was kind of a shithead but at least there was in a twisted way, more honesty about how people actually are 'cause it's so out in the open and explicitly like ridiculous, which to me, I don't know what it was at the time where I was like interested in like, and you know, genuinely like tuning in and I was also just in like this weird death energy with the virus. It's kind of like the George Carlin thing when like being happy when disasters happen.

I don't know what it is. It's just like dark or deep feminine destructive energy deep inside of me, but like when shit starts to go chaotically wrong, a far in the world thematically. I'm like, yeah, what the fuck? Let's lean into this and see what's going on. He was hitting all the fucking notes that I think I understand why people gravitate towards him and there's an aspect of that collective shadow which I 100% agree with. That's his function, that it's valid. It does make you look at those things. You know, people who are really triggered by Trump who are not personally affected, if you're personally affected by one of his policies, you have every right to be very angry, no matter what the expression is, but the people are most triggered by him, usually are not personally affected.

It's usually there's some behavior he's exhibiting that they find so unpalatable that they think how can this person be in a position of power? How can this person be allowed to make decisions? And I've found at least for me, when I start feeling like that about anyone, it's usually my own shit. There's usually a behavior I tend to exhibit, not in that specific way, but I'll do it and I don't want to face it. So I think he's like forcing people if you get the right lesson. I also think in a weird twisted way, what would it take for a soul to choose to incarnate as Donald Trump? It's a weirdly benevolent act.

Like you're eating karmic shit all the time. Like this isn't going to set up well in like the karmic balance of what's going on. Like that's a crazy fucking avatar to kind of put on. So there's this weird kind of trickster energy there and he's like he believes in his reality so much. It just happens for him. It's bizarre.

I don't think that's true.

Someone said this to me. I want to talk about this.

I want to talk about this.

I don't, and this is not a more, God, I fucking already regret this episode. This is not a moral, I swear I was never going to talk publicly. There are certain souls on the planet who when I tap into their energy, don't feel like they have a connection to their higher self. Like that we all have like a Bluetooth connection to our higher self. And there are certain empty things that, okay, so let's say you have an ego and then you have a higher self and your life is your higher self writing out things for you and then your ego is a fucking learning the lessons, whatever, that's a way over simplification.

The awakening process is realizing that the higher self is also you and then the post awakening, the empowering process that people are going through now is kind of the higher self takes over the avatar and you get to live as a galactic being on the planet, whatever. There are certain types of beings on the planet that don't feel like they have that connection to me. And those beings are 100% ego and I'm not just talking about arrogance, they are mirrors and they are programmable and they just want you to tell them if they're doing a good job. They're almost robots. The way it feels is that they got something happened, the trauma, probably sadly, the disconnects them from their higher self, their higher self can't get through and now they are just looking around, they're like AI, looking around for who congratulates them.

He doesn't have a fucking ounce of conviction in anything he says, like every single, like I read energy for a living, none, he doesn't believe anything.

I agree with that, I totally agree with that. But what I do believe, he believes, is that he is right. I don't think any of the information or data he talks about, he believes with conviction. But I think his position, the way he became president, I just in my mind, when he went around and told people for the first time, like his close people, whatever that looks like in his life, that I want to be president, Melania, whoever. I'm imagining, she's probably like, this guy's fucking crazy, like he's a fucking nutball, like he's never gonna be president. Somehow, someway, he's jettisoned himself, or at least has been jettisoned by some type of energy into a position where, no matter how silly you and I think the position of president is, enough of the collective conscious puts value on that position where it happened.

I don't know, I agree that people can lose the connection with that higher self or like the intuitive heart, like what you actually need to like, I feel like really express yourself as like a cosmic being. I do believe that, but I don't think it's gone. I don't think it's absent. I think it maybe just is like blocked or something.

Yeah, I'm not saying he's irredeemable when it comes back. I'm telling you that this person doesn't, he just says whatever will make people congratulate him or give him accolades. And the reason he's just playing to the lowest, I'm gonna get in trouble.

You're gonna get in trouble.

You know what I mean? He's playing to the easiest audience. If we wanted to, like, if at the beginning of this, if COVID, we had been like, oh my God, you're the best president in the world 'cause you're the only one that fought to give everyone free healthcare during this instead of humiliating him on Twitter, he would have given people free healthcare 'cause he just wants to be patted on the back. That's like, that's it.

That's also a lesson with how to deal with the shadow too. Like you can game the shadow potentially into doing a benevolent thing if you know how to deal with it, right? I mean, that if everyone got something that was objectively better because you knew how to like placate or satisfy an energy that maybe was just immature, like that's what it feels like to me. It's like an immature, like you haven't locked in to like, you know, probably reality as people want to experience it yet, but yet it's effective for him. There's something, there's this weird, he's like a lessons machine. If you know how to look at him and you can become like weirdly grateful that that energy exists, it's like nothing to do with him as a person or for what he believes in ethically or morally.

Like almost all of that is objection. Like, I don't, I don't vibe with any of that, but like he fucking, he's so polarizing. Like to me, there's some energy there that feels like not just shadow negative. Unlike a, he might not be connected to that at all, mentally, psychologically, emotionally. And I don't think he is. I also feel like he's not connected to his heart, emotions at all.

Yeah, I'm talking to some people who are like, it's like his, his higher self just turned the avatar on like maximum narcissism and fruit and as like a sacred clown.

Yes, yes, yes.

What makes me uncomfortable about these conversations and why I avoid this topic in the public space is that I do have privilege and he isn't traumatizing for me. And I think as spiritual leaders, whether we like this or not, it's kind of the role we're taking as to privileged spiritual leaders. It's real easy. People who don't wanna deal with the real work, which is that what he is doing is highlighting white supremacy and sexism and patriarchy and how corrupt a service to self is. And if he is, that's the only good he's bringing as far as I'm concerned and also giving people something to collectively overthrow potentially.

If we are doing anything with that other than saying, well, thank you for highlighting all of the things that need to be healed, now let's get to work. Like the two things can be true. Like in the higher dimensions, yeah, this is all a game and it's meant to be this in the lower dimensions. This is a very real experience that people are having. And so the thing I don't like about these conversations is I think there are a ton of fellow privileged people in this game right now who just wanna be led off the hook.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

That's a dangerous game to play. I mean, I specifically, I think before I really started speaking about this publicly and I was talking a lot about it in June too. Like I spoke to my friends in marginalized communities. Like I spoke to them and I was like, what's your perspective on what's going on? Like what are your thoughts? Like 'cause these are people like, some of them are like from the legitimate bottom. Like they literally have no, there's no social safety nets, people are dying on their block like every other week. It's like, that's their fucking life. And they've been friends for a long time.

And I've heard such a varying range of perspectives on even something as simple as Trump that what I try to do is like listen and hear everything, never forget a place of privilege, never try to be like deaf or numb to like what allows me to function and walk down the street and never really have to be scared for my life ever just based on the way I look. That's like a real fucking thing. Recognize that, but also just go back to like, I think which is my main metaphysical axiom to date which is like, I'm going to imagine that I get my shit completely together. And I imagine the version of me that gets my shit completely together is most certainly gonna care about the world around me that's projected out there.

So as long as I'm looking at any given situation and feel like I'm not creating more harm, creating more destruction. And then at least empowering individuals, wherever they come from, like, I think this is like a big thing to do. Like for people who do like energy readings or anything and P has been fucking amazing in this regard is go in, do this shit and let people know that they're running their lives. Like you actually have the personal agency wherever you are. And I've seen people in the worst circumstances like elevate themselves in like improbable ways, but like letting that be the only privilege that actually exists is the knowledge that that's possible.

And not just like in a bypassing way being like, well, you know what, it's easy for me to get alone or it's easy for me to just go stay at my mom's like not discounting any of that, but creating spaces and places, which I know is another thing you were talking about like these kind of like pods. I think you said like 1200 people, which sounds right. I see these actually evolving. Like that seems to be the next phase where I think people are going. And I think that's gonna break down enough of these social constructs that create these types of like tensions that manifest as like white supremacy or like people being fearful of people because of the way they look or what they like.

I think that's gonna be a natural antidote. So I would point out like I don't wanna make it seem like I'm just completely ignorant or bypassing this stuff. I just feel like those types of situations, they're clear in my mind that they're emerging. And like I've never imagined one of these places where like my friends were like black or Spanish or gay or trans like aren't gonna be there. It's just like an improbable thing to me. And I trust like those visions to inevitably come. But I think it's important like we talk about this shit as much as possible. So people hear like perspectives on this because I think a lot of people go through this, especially when they're like waking up or thinking about like spirituality.

And you don't wanna miss this stuff. Like this is like the actual work and important stuff is figuring out like what you're gonna do related like social issues. Yeah, I mean it's fucking, it's weird shit, but I mean, I think it's important.

It is for people who have a hard time connecting like where the social issues connect with this is that you know, the new world isn't some fantasy pie in the sky, Eden or whatever, we're gonna build that. And last year, I keep thinking it was September. I guess September is when I started getting downloads about this, but I did an episode called Answer for Your Ancestors, where I tried to hit, like I tell a little bit, but like what was coming. But what is actually coming is that the natural order of things on earth, the people that are oppressed are the people who actually know how to work this planet.

Like white supremacy is essentially the, you know, not letting the people who know how to fly the plane in the cockpit, you know what I mean? I mean, this is like, the people in charge are not the best equipped to be in charge by a fucking long stretch and the balance like, and I'm not, like that's like, you know, years from now stuff, like there has to be a balance restored on this planet and in order to restore that balance, we have to make amends and we have to give back the things that we're stolen. And that's not politics, that's just the energy on the planet and we did something wrong. And it's okay to just be like, fuck, I'm sorry.

And we have a lot of programming that's very, you know, wrong, just our, the way that we conduct ourselves in daily life, the way that our society is set up, the way that everything, like it's all wrong, everything's wrong, everything is wrong, it doesn't work, none of it works, our relationships don't work, our school system doesn't work from the ground up, not just the patriarchy, not just white supremacy, none of it fucking works 'cause it's just run by these fucking unconscious greedy, just the worst of, the worst of our energy is in charge of everything. And that's why everything is blowing up right now 'cause it's desperately out of whack.

So the way that our social structures are set up is the old world. And in order to get to the new world, we have to fix that. And part of that is just looking at the ugliness of it and just saying, fuck, I was a part of this. I didn't even know I was a part of this. Some of you did know that you were a part of it. Releasing the, you know, the benefits of it, looking and saying like, okay, I see this in balance, where can I help, you know? Sometimes it's just fucking holding space. This is, we're recording this on the day that Brianna Taylor's.

Oh wow.

Burning just came back. - Don't shit it. No, you didn't know that, it just happened.

No, I didn't see it, I didn't see it, I was out.

Not good, not good, cops got let off. The only cop that got charged got charged for the drywall damage he did to the neighbor's house. Uh-huh.

It's, I mean, it's Mars in retrograde, so I guess it's inevitable to be expected, but I mean, in terms of like a, I mean, but this is the shit that has to happen if people won't willingly face what energy gets them to either participate in systemic injustice or be complacent with it, right? I mean, these are these kind of like overt events that almost seemingly have to take place. It's almost like the analogy is like when you experience a physical symptom, like if you're not dealing with it on an energetic level, you're gonna get it out in the world. Like it's kind of how this stuff, it's fucked up.

But I mean, like this is like, I don't know, I mean, we were talking about it before, I don't wanna dwell on it, but I think Trump's gonna get reelected. I really do. I don't wanna-- - I don't steal it.

I'm not imagining it, I don't have a vested interest, but it feels intuitively that that's not crazy. Certainly not what I, I really, I mean, I don't know. I feel like if it's gonna go on a part.

It's increasingly more chaotic between now and then, and it mostly feels chaotic around these systems when the Supreme Court's justice died.

Yeah.

I like that energy. It's just, I was thinking about the movie Braveheart and I haven't done any research, I hope that William Wallace isn't problematic, but--

He probably is in some way, sorry.

Yeah, so I'm just speaking to the plot of the movie, which is he didn't wanna fight. You know what I mean, he didn't wanna fight. And then they took his wife from him and then he became a real pain in the ass. If I remember the movie-- - That actual movie, yeah.

How much, how far the system has to overstep to get people to stand up really just kind of depends on where your line of complacency is, I guess, you know. I just, this is my issue with capitalism. I'm not, you know, I found a way to succeed in the system. I still don't think it's fair. I think it's a shit system. I think even if I wanna do the, you know, you just have to be smart enough to figure it out. Why do less intelligent, you don't have a fucking choice as to whether or not you're intelligent. Why do you deserve to suck, like capitalism sucks, but you know who doesn't ever fucking say that?

People who succeed in capitalism. Even people, you know, the grew up poor. It's like, we have, like, it's the service to self thing. It's like, we have to give a fuck. And I haven't always, my current refusal to like, leave the side of people who this is very real for, wasn't always it, you know. I think back before I could feel my feelings, I was like, Trump's a pendulum, just don't give energy to it, which is kind of true. However, you know, what else is true, the very real suffering that people are experiencing right now as a result of him existing in this dimension. So I can hold space for both of those things at the same time.

Yeah.

And not like add to the traumatization of people by invalidating their experience, by throwing my platitudes at them, but, yeah, two things at the same time. I fucking hate to watch people suffering right now, but I have seen glimpses of the new world, and it's going to be beautiful for the people who are suffering right now. Like, you are being moved to the front of the line. And the only thing that I really know to bring to that table is like, where can I bring relief?

Right.

And to me, it's teaching people how to hack the matrix. It's teaching people how to use their power, is teaching people that they are God, making that information available for free. You know, in 2021, I just for some reason keep wanting to call 2021, 2019. You know, I want to build a, I don't know, this is the plan now, who knows? And I did run it really fast, but what I'm currently working towards is like an imagination project, but it's like a retreat. And you come there for two months, your bills are paid while you're here.

Yeah.

And we do all of it. We do trauma clearing, plant medicine, like healing, talking, meditation, boom. Here's your orientation, your bills are paid while you were gone, you know, your needs were met, and now go out and live your best fucking life. Fuck this fucking government. Fuck this fucking system.

That sounds great to me. I mean, I think we should talk also all fair about how some of these systems are going to work because I've seen how a lot of these different areas, like I've seen enough people hack abundance, at least in the past year, that I know there's enough like-minded people who actually want to see these systems emerge, and they're not just like, that's really what they want. Like it's, and some people are building them already, but I mean, I think this is probably how it's done, because then you implant one of those people back in a community or a system, then they can actually become something that helps people around them.

Like that's always the image I get of kind of like a flowing down, cascading waterfall type of situation with this, and I am, I'm very excited about it. I think the main thing is, is like, there's a way to feel the suffering of the world. You don't detach yourself from it, but you can't let it consume you. You can't let it kind of like force you into a pattern or mindset where things are bad. Like you're capable of doing that, obviously, you have like, listen, you talk to aliens, you get downloads, you know things that are coming, but a lot of times people will just think whatever they're perceiving at that given moment in time is forever.

Like, you know, if they feel like the world is going to shit, that day, it's forever going to shit. We're inevitably headed to a course, and I think you've spoken about this enough that like, that's what's creating reality. If enough people start to feel like everything is going to shit, you better believe like we're gonna see more evidence that the world is going to shit. So it's like, trying to like buffer, like, you know, stabilize the oscillations, but still like, be aware that we have options to move or stay on pretty positive timelines as it relates to like, what our highest ideals are. Like what we actually wanna see in the world, the types of communities we wanna live in.

Like even you mentioned the type of food, this is something that's coming up a lot, 'cause we're recognizing like, yeah, maybe people wanna kill themselves and eat like shitty and not be healthy when reality sucks, and it's a grind and it's a shitty place to be. But if we can move into a reality and we are, we're like, stuff is fucking amazing, and all of our shit's coming true, like maybe we wanna live a little bit longer in linear time. So yeah, what do I got, an audience? Fucking audience is fucking jokers. Jesus Christ.

Yeah, I think, I am actually, we got on the, I just, I refuse to participate in a maybe Trump's okay thing where, because that's the thing where I think that people, they're like, yeah, that relieves this feeling of guilt that looking at this mirror of my darkness.

No, it makes, if anything, I can like say that when I actually embodied that perspective, like what came next was a lot of shadow shit, personally, in my life. It doesn't make you immune from any of that, and it's definitely not like an escape hatch. If you think it's letting you off the hook, that's not it at all. But I do think there also has to be some bridges between that energy and like, this shit too. Like, sometimes people, it is just because of trauma that they'd gravitate towards that. 'Cause it's just like a protective strategy they're running, and letting them know that like, "Hey, maybe that's not the best way to do it,"

without kind of like aggressively going after it. I don't know. There's a lot of different approaches with this shit. I don't know.

Yeah, it is relatively, it's a lot, it's spinning play. I mean, it's, I don't know if that's what spinning plays are. It's juggling a lot right now to like, to try to hold all perspectives at once. Ultimately, what I want to do is bypass people's programming to teach them how to get free from a lot of things in the matrix.

Yeah.

A lot of things, like a lot of these viruses are programmed into them and us.

Yeah.

And so, but to get into people's consciousness, using language, and you know, like that's most of what my podcast is, is there are a lot of things set up to prevent people from understanding these things.

Totally.

And so it feels like a game of operation, especially right now. And for me, I have issues with people being mad at me.

Yeah.

And, you know, that I've had to transmute a lot of things. I think I got ditched in Atlanta 'cause someone was mad at me 'cause that's what it feels like, someone's mad at me, it feels like they, like I'm going to die.

So I have the feeling, I know the feeling.

So, you know, but I like, I think this end that is the key to everything.

Yeah, it's like that time.

Everything, when you seek to figure out how everything can be true at the same time, but find a way to like compassionately hold space for the perspective of others. And I know it just sounded like I didn't compassionately hold space for people who are anti-masked. But as far as masks and voting, I just feel like even if they don't work, what is it that makes us so, like what is really inside of us that is making us say, I won't do this.

That's fair.

That's fair. - Why can't we do both, right?

If it's just as easy to do it, then there's no reason not to, truthfully.

If there are people out there who believe their lives depend on it.

And they do. - And we allege, yeah. And we allege that we care about those people.

Yeah, what is it costing us to fucking fill out, I had to fucking register 13 fucking times 'cause the thing kept, but even in that, you know what I mean? I also order Uber Eats that many times a week. What is it costing me to do something that people believe, even if I don't believe it?

Yeah.

What is it hurting? What is it hurting to put a mask on? I don't like, I know that some people believe that it is making them sicker, be indoors more. I don't like, I just, at some points, at some point we have to start considering the perspectives of other people. And there are people who believe, who already have autoimmune diseases and believes they're gonna die. I don't need to know the particle sizes of the droplets. All I know is that this woman at the grocery store is scared to be at the grocery store. And me putting on this mask gives her a little bit, 'cause it'd be different. It would be fear-based shit if the mask, I believe, was saving me.

But as people believe, it's just a statement.

Yeah, it's not a big deal if you're looking at it like that. I mean, I think also in the same way, I look at it like this just in life. I, 'cause I do genuinely believe that imagination is God. That's really what it is, our sense of I am. I think that is God and all of the Holy Scriptures, all of the deities, if that's true, then I look at the mask thing in the same way that if I can actually look at someone and imagine them fulfilled, happy, content, healthy, and great, doesn't cost me anything to do that. It's the same kind of metaphysical, quick little lookout in the world, it doesn't cost you anything to look at anyone or any situation.

Not as a bypass, not as letting you off the hook energetically, but just quickly blessing whatever you see out there, not in a weird way, in a totally normal, natural way that feels good to you. That's kind of my anti-mask, put on a mask, vote thing. I guess that's how I'm voting. Shit, should I vote now? Don't change the answer.

Yeah, this is my goal. If I accomplish nothing else, I love myself to do a public fucking Trump episode to get you to vote.

I know, I know.

Give an election, I also don't believe that. Classic, classic. All right, let me ask you the last three, four questions. Do we miss it? I mean, we missed a million things. We'll talk more about a lot of shit.

Yeah, we have so much more to cover.

Favorite color?

Blue.

Favorite number?

Nine.

Cool, favorite animal.

I guess right now it's a bird.

Cool, Avian, those birds.

Parks a bird?

Fine. (laughing)

Yeah, yeah, you look super, too. What's a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you can share with people listening?

That's crazy, that's all I am is practical.

I know.

Drawn a blank. Right now it is... Learn how to take a hit, I think. My last episode was that rope-a-dope. Go on those ropes, take those hits, wait for your moment, strike back.

Yeah, just...

So chill.

It's so chill.

The less astonished, oh, actually step two in the last podcast, which was, you don't have to abandon your entire belief system every time something unwanted happens.

Which is also just how to take a hit. Just go, okay, I took a hit. Okay, and like, that's it. That's like, messages direct to the divine masculine over the next step.

I get it. Jessa, you're the best. Where can people find, I'll have links and everything, but where can people find out? Your Patreon is my favorite Patreon.

Patreon, yes, I would love to move everything to Patreon, but not the whole podcast. I mean, just my whole, all my work. So Patreon, five dollar tier, you get two bonus episodes of Soberish a month, plus all the background which we've done. We've got some with you on there. Ten dollar, there is a, this is my favorite tier right now, there is a weekly energy update, and they are live streams, and they have been really fun, and I pull some cards, whatever. And then at the twenty dollars tier, we do a live stream where we like discuss that week's episode. That's for people who listen to the podcast and wanna be able to say stuff.

JessaRead.com has everything. I do readings, but you, I'm only opening the calendar up a couple weeks at a time now, so that I'm not committing to things. Yeah, it has been a game changer.

Tell me about it.

So you just have to keep checking back. Typically, if I put out an episode that day, I've opened up any readings that are gonna be available.

Cool, I like your systems, they're good. You're the best. Thank you for doing this.

Thank you so much. I'm already fucking set.

That's how you know it's good. That's how you know it's good. This is what people wanna hear. They need to hear this shit. Also, they need to hear people challenge me my fucking crazy ideas. You kidding me? I'm fucking telling people Trump is great. I pushed back.

That's what I'm here for. (laughing)

I was set here. They were like, "Those fucking people with Noah." The Galactic Federation was like, "No, it's talking."

He's fucking up. (laughing)

You're the best. All right.

I love you, thank you very much. Bye bye.

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Thanks for listening to that episode. Go check out jessah, jessahread.com. She does readings. I think she's finally tamping them down a little bit. She was like a fucking reading powerhouse. She's got the Imagination Project, which is a place where people can find healers and therapists outside of the traditional routes. Many people doing pro bono stuff or discounted stuff. I think I'm on there, am I on there? I don't know. And go check out her podcast, Soberish, Mormon and the Method. She's truly one of the coolest people I've ever met. It's amazing that we've only known each other I think about a year now.

That's what's fucking insane. That's what's insane. But one of my favorite people, she's the coolest, jessah, love you. That's it, until next week. Oh, I should mention the Patreon. Patreon's poppin'. If you enjoyed this episode, you'll probably enjoy a lot of the content on Patreon. You get everything that's ever been posted on there as soon as you join. There's the Discord server, the $13 level. I'm reshuffling how we're gonna be doing some of this stuff. So stay tuned for updates in terms of what tiers get you what, but there are live readings, zoom hangouts, a lot of Twitch stuff, doing a fuckload of Twitch stuff.

Just a lot of cool shit's going on there. And if live events, not if, when live events are happening again, this was a perk. You get free access to any live event. So if we're doing a thing, it's like 20, 30 bucks. If you're a patron, you get free access. So that's fucking cool. So go check that out. That's patreon.com/synchronicity. There's links to all this shit. But go check out jessah shit. Go check out jessah's shit first 'cause she's fucking awesome. All right, love you. Bye bye.

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