Jessa Reed Returns

♪ Lord, hear, your life ♪ ♪ Take my thoughts, take my memory ♪ ♪ Lord, hear, your life ♪ ♪ Take my thoughts ♪ Welcome to Synchronicity. My guest this week is, wow, I really sound like I have a cold, 'cause I do. My guest this week is Jessa Reed. I don't know, this is her millionth time on the, she's on a lot. She's cool. She just got over Lyme disease. She's getting over it, I should say. She didn't fall into the person who has Lyme forever. We talk about that. We talk about chronic illness. We talk about the current state of reality, what we can expect going forward, how to hack the matrix, what is the matrix, manifestation techniques, how to live in abundance.

Crypto, we talk about a ton of shit in this episode. I know you're gonna love it. She's always one of the most popular guests. Before we get to the episode, big shout out again to the guys at Ned. They continue to be awesome. Their products continue to be awesome. Go to HelloNed.com, use the code Sync, S-Y-N-C at checkout. You get 15% off whatever you order. I like their chapstick, their lip balm, they call it. If you're into the CBD stuff, this is the CBD you want. They actually, it's not the bullshit that they just like you sell at the gas station. They play binaural beats to their plants. They're really cool.

They're building a community too. Expect to see more cool stuff from them. They've just continued to deliver forever. So again, go to HelloNed.com, use the code Sync, S-Y-N-C at checkout. Get 15% off whatever you order, forever. That's cool. Everything else, good, nothing to complain about. Crypto stuff, going great. Continue to get involved. If you haven't, the Discord is popping off. We get a lot of new people. Seemingly every day right now, if you don't know the hack for the crypto Discord, join the Patreon at the lowest level. Let's say you hate the Patreon. You don't like anything I'm talking about, but you like the crypto community, you can leave the Patreon.

You still get to stay in the server. That's how that works. So that's fun. That's it, I'm keeping it short. I'm exhausted. Have music coming out. I think it's on the 24th of March. I'll let you know next week. Get a recorded live set with Bill. Tonight we've been working on it. Gonna do that, that's fun. So stay tuned for that. Other music is on the Patreon. All the other stuff is there. We've been doing Twitch Live Streams fun times. That's it. Go find Jessa everywhere. She is, JessaRead.com. She, I don't, is she doing readings right now? I think she's kind of like me. We've scaled back the readings pretty heavily.

But she has her podcast, Awakening, Orientation Department. She had her previous podcast, Soberish, and her previous one before that. Gosh, she's a lot of fucking podcasts. Should I start doing multiple podcasts? Is that the move? I don't know. Go check her out. She's everywhere. She's cool. Tell her not to take a social media break. We need her on social media. Okay, that's it. Without further ado, here is JessaRead. (gentle music) ♪ Kill her life ♪ ♪ Take her life ♪ ♪ Don't take her life ♪ ♪ Kill her life ♪ (upbeat music)

And we're recording.

Aw.

Is everyone recording on your end?

Yeah, it does.

It's not, it's not me, it's you. It's not uncommon.

I am so tired of remote podcasts. That's like-- - I'm fucking over it, dude.

I'll get the vaccine, whatever you want. Let's just, can we do the podcast?

You wanna start with vaccine talk?

No, I do not. I do not participate in vaccine talk.

I tried kinda carefully on that one 'cause I know people are like really sensitive from both sides of it, so I don't--

I see where everyone's coming from. I think it's a...

I mean, I think the main thing--

It's a polarizing issue.

Right, like you join, like at least from my school of thought is we're creating everything here with our consciousness just implicitly by having awareness, we co-create, we create what we're doing. Wherever your feelings and thoughts lie related to like the big hot button issues of our time, like it's your choice, it's your choice. Just don't try to force it on other people 'cause that tends to have not a great reaction.

Yeah, yeah, it's the evangelism, man. What are we gonna learn with the evangelism? I referenced your... I can't stop thinking about that thing you said about the DMT realm when you ended up with the vampires because you were being a vampire and it's like whatever. That's like frequency 101, right? Is that we sync up with the frequencies that we're putting out, but God, this is so much about the external enemy stuff and so I referenced it. The other day I did that, Mike Adelik podcast. He's very nice. - Yeah, Mike's cool.

And he's fun to talk to. I don't have brain fog anymore, so I forgot what it was like to be self-conscious about never shutting the fuck up. (laughing) I was like, this is nice, this is back.

That's one of the advantages of brain fog. I started calling it brain fog, so I literally had to think before I say it now. It's like you have that kind of like hazy awareness where you just kind of like lose the self-referencing kind of aspect, you're just trying to like get through and function without looking like a total idiot. It's been nice.

It, my time with brain fog, even when it wasn't bad, it was still bad, you know, was like doing an impression of myself. I would say from like October to January, I was doing my best jessa impression and I was literally having the boss like, how long can I pull this off? I am like scraping the bottom of the barrel of like what would this bitch say? Just completely offline. So I forgot, I forgot the things I'm usually self-conscious about, but a lot of them are back now. So I had to stay up all night and go like, oh, I didn't let the host of that podcast speak.

Yeah, I feel like at a certain point, I just had to drop like knowing that I talked too much and like just accept it and not get bothered by it 'cause I'm like, I don't think I'm gonna change it. Like maybe at some point I will and I'll appreciate that, but it just feels like something I naturally do. So I'm like, all right, I'm not gonna get bothered by that anymore and just recognize I don't shut the fuck up. It's fine. - Yeah. And I think it's probably a quality of mine because I missed it, man, I missed it when it was gone. And so, yeah, those ebbs when you can't like call upon, I was thinking about this a lot recently for like, I think for you and me, it probably doesn't happen that much.

It happens to me sometimes and it's happened in my life where you kind of lose your connection with the woo and the magic for a second. You're like, you kind of take it for granted when you're just always inundated with it and in it. And then like those moments you're like, wow, I can't call upon that reservoir of like knowing reality is a game. When that happens, I think that can freak people out pretty heartily and then it kind of creates the situation. And then of course, you're never disconnected from it in truth. It's your perspective and your kind of awareness of it. But I was noticing for myself, like when I fucking get in, like I have like real practical shit I have to do, I'll forget.

And then I like listen to a song or something and be like, oh shit, like what the fuck am I being doing? Like there's this fucking crazy.

That's such a tricky part of playing the game is the jumping, like you have to go into the 3D to pay your car payment or to handle shit. And it is an issue with people when they wake up that they try to hang out. We try to hang out in the higher dimensions and then our 3D life falls apart. And I think we come here to live in the 3D life. So you do have to engage. You can set your life up, depending on who you entangle yourself with, you can set your life up in a way that you have to do very little. You can put things on auto. I have like a 3D day a month and I've learned to just let it come to me naturally, but I just had to, my driver's license was expired and my tags were expired, which is like, who cares?

I don't leave the house at this point, but I was just waiting for that 3D day. I don't hate myself or not. I just, when it comes, and then when it comes, I get everything done. I get my taxes done in one day, everything else. But the void that I was in during the fall was one of those times. The only way I can describe it, I've never had such an intense death of a self and then a lag before the new one downloaded.

Yeah, it's like a limbo, yeah.

Yeah, I feel like it's usually I get a new self and it pushes out the old one. But this was like, I died and then I just sat. I just sat in the dark, which is crazy, 'cause that's what I saw coming. I didn't realize we were just all going to be sitting in dark rooms. And I just, I was like, I have no idea. I know I'm magic, but like, I know that conceptually, it doesn't feel true. I don't feel powerful and I don't care. Like, what do I think? What are my opinions? What are my beliefs? Who gives a shit? I know exactly what we were talking about and then I'd look out and thank God for you tipping me off to my, I mentioned him a lot and I was Tim Dylan 'cause he's just out there every fucking day.

Not only with like content, but like good shit. And like he wakes up and it feels like he just kind of just flows out of him. And there were days, I don't know, in the past few months where I do a weekly podcast. It's not, it's a lot, but it's not that much. Do some Patreon shit and I'd just be like, right before recording, I'm like, I don't got shit. I don't care about anything. I have no opinions on anything. I kind of know what's going on. So does everyone else. What am I gonna say? Usually I can draw down the well and pull some shit out, but like, I was like, what is going on? I came out of that, I feel like two weeks ago and I'm like very grateful for it, but yeah, there are those times where it's just like, ah, whatever, I don't have a connection to it.

Yeah, I mean, this was like, I think there was a huge game. I have so many thoughts and they're not fully formed. So a timestamp this as 311 to 2021, these are my thoughts as of right now, I'm not done unpacking this yet. But I think, well, I definitely went into the Karmic Washing Machine. And my, I definitely did not think I was gonna go into the Karmic Washing Machine. So classic Jessa arrogance. Thought I was gonna get to skip that part. Definitely when you heard me talking about the Karmic Washing Machine, there was a lot of vase and them.

Distance, yeah.

And it was me's and I's. And I, I mean, wouldn't trade it. There's 2020 was the worst year of my life, but I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. - Fuck.

And externally, there were lots of good things, you know? I ended up in a nice place and whatever. I mean, obviously getting massively chronically ill was not fun, but in my consciousness, it was the worst manifestation of my consciousness I've ever experienced. - Wow.

I've never been so, yeah, I wanna get into it a little bit, but like. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But the game had a massive like reset, I almost wanna say, in January. And there was a point where I could see it coming. And when I, like, would touch the energy coming in January, it was like, okay, well, there's, it's a, it's a glass of water. Like where we're all like swallowing our tongues, there's a glass of water in January. And everything looked very bright, but it was like that it had a potential for brightness after January. And that's pretty close to my experience. I mean, I was like, picking myself up off the floor mid January and still unconscious, I would say, until probably, yeah, a few weeks ago and someone reached out and that my guide sent and she just knew the things, you know?

'Cause my guides, I get a lot, I get a lot of messages from people, but my guides know the keywords or whatever.

Totally.

To send someone with them. So like when I snapped out of it then I just snapped out. And the thing that's interesting is the, is the fucking time is a flat circle. Like how much of right now feels like I am picking up where I left off like the exact days.

No, no, no, I get that, I get that big time. I've seen this not just in my own life but in like macro cycles in the world. Like, you know, I don't want to deviate too much from what you're saying, but like the crypto stuff. I say one thing to everyone who gets into crypto now. I'm like, look at 2017. 'Cause not only is it like that, it is that. We're literally in the same kind of fractal patterns. And if you can just tune into that, like you, I don't know, it's kind of nice. Like you don't have to freak out about all this stuff because you recognize there's a pattern and this time you might have a higher perspective on it.

But I know exactly we're talking about this flat circle of shit, if you can say it.

Yeah, I mean, it's, what are some examples? There's like Mark and I have both had experiences where we, on the exact same day last year, we were confronted with the same choice, with the same person and we chose door number one and it took us down that whatever zombie timeline we just got off of. And like now we're choosing door number two. I had something the other day where MGMT's When You Die was on the radio as I was driving to get fuh. And I looked at the day and it was the same day last year that I posted something on Instagram with that song while eating fuh because I was sick with whatever that I had like this day last year.

It's weird like glitchy matrix shit like that. Besides just the sensation of, you know, I attributed so much of it to the pandemic and then the collapse and then being sick. And, but I was just like not me from like the 15th of March. I got knocked off my square and then the whole year was like me trying to get back on that square.

Totally, totally.

And I had a couple moments here and there. I had like a few weeks in August where I was like, okay, there I am. And then I went back to sleep. And then it was just an inception and inception and inception. And, you know, I put out very little content during that time because once I realized that I was like, continuously fucked up in the matrix. I didn't want to fuck anyone else up in the matrix. So I was just kind of like, hold, you know, hold. Everyone was in the void together. And I, the Karmic washing machine was kind of a speed round for that and by Karmic washing machine, I feel like people attribute karma.

We have the association of karma and punishment or this is what you had coming to you. But Karmic, Karmic is just the lesson learning mechanism of the matrix and we're taking a break from that. We're going into a utopia, which is the downloads I've been getting lately are just, it's essentially we're getting out of the water. We're getting out of the water drying off, hanging out on an island. People are waking up when we're awake. We understand that we're all one. So we aren't greedy. We don't trample each other. We don't, we don't oppress each other, whatever. We're going to clean up the mess we made.

And then at some point our sadistic asses will get back into the water. And God, there's so much, there's so much. So I, and I've been on a little bit of a tour of podcasts. So I was, I'm back to do anything where I go say the same thing on five podcasts in a way.

I know I do it too. It's fine.

So the karmic washing machine was, to kind of get it out of your system. And so everyone had their thing, right? Codependency, lack, survival, fears, you know, whatever. For me it is this other people's version of me, fear of people being mad at me, fear of people not liking me, whatever. And so it's really interesting how it's kept playing out. And then, you know, I ended up chronically ill as everyone knows, 'cause I didn't shut up about it when it's happening. And in my defense, in my defense, it is wild to have your body stop working.

I thought about this when, I've watched you go through this from afar and I checked in every now and then. But like, I am such a fuck, like I have a little teeny cold today. And I'm like literally like collapsing. And I'm like, if this lasted for any stretch of time, I don't even know what, like I don't, I couldn't put out stuff that's gonna make people feel good most of the time.

Right, yeah, and it was, the pain, I have a pretty high threshold for pain. I did let my teeth fall out, you know? So the pain is kind of okay. I mean, my leg I couldn't walk on for months. And it was near constant pain. And then like the first day of the flu, just always a headache that you can't even fathom. That nothing gets rid of and no energy. And then no energy and then no brain like processing power. And it was, you're just like, I couldn't do anything. And then so much of my identity is the amount of energy that I have and the things that my brain can do. And to have those taken from me and I mean, what a dark night of the soul.

And then to like a lot of the stuff I was thinking in the fall was, this is all I am. And this is all I bring to the table. And without these things, people don't love me. They love the things I say. And if I can't say anything, I'm gonna end up alone. And I didn't, you know, I live this lifestyle of abundant flow and I don't save anything. I don't acquire property. I don't do any of these things which is all fine and good until you can't like, who gives a fuck about me? You know what I mean? Like who's gonna care in a year or two or five when I am no longer bringing anything interesting to the table?

You wanna hear something really interesting too? Rambas, who I used to work with them for a while. You know, like everyone knows Rambas. Be here now, big spirit, really cool guy. He had a stroke, right? In 2001, 1999, something like that. You know, everyone wanted to be around Rambas, hang out with Rambas, you know, hang out with him. Well, when he had this stroke, pretty much everyone abandoned him. The only person who came in was Wayne Dyer, the dude from like the public commercial. He came in, bottom of a place in Maui and like he was there for the rest of his life. Like, but I mean, think of someone like Rambas.

Like everyone loves this dude. He's the most selfless dude who's gave up untold riches just to like live like a purely like kind of like life just out there doing it. And even he didn't have people when everything was kind of taken away from him. And you know, people came back when he got back on his feet, but it is weird to think about how those fears of kind of abandonment and self-worth tied up and what we put out there is like what a lot of us deal with. Like whether it's a creative thing or just something you're doing or a relationship. It's a fucking major, major shadow pain point, I think for a lot of people.

But continue. Yeah, I just.

No, I think that that's, that says a lot that that did actually happen to him. And I want to say, you know, the most of the patrons, like the vast majority of the patrons once I, there were tons of people leaving and kind of be in dicks about it before I knew what was happening to me. I was just having a hard time getting content out, but they're just reflecting back my own productivity programming, right?

Once I knew I was sick, the patrons hung out when everything was a mess. Half these like live streams I was doing, I was completely disassociated and couldn't remember my sentences and stuff. So, and my friends are all great. And I didn't get abandoned by anybody. I like, I am surrounded by amazing people. So this was mostly just something I was facing. Like if this is my life now, if this is what I do long term, I also, you know, there are people who've been living like this for decades who aren't fortunate enough to have, you know, I already had a career on the internet and, you know, I already had all this other stuff.

So it was very dark and it is very, it's so complex because I used to see, you know, I know people with a lot of people with autoimmune diseases and it's something that for like 10 years, I've been fascinated with. It's also something I knew I would one day experience. I knew I was-- - Yeah, you knew that, of course. That's why you got it. - And so, and not like knew it like I was afraid of it. That's, it was 2013. I learned a lot about natural health and stuff, but to prevent it, and then there was a point where I was like, there's certain things I know I'm gonna have to hack that at some point.

And it's, I, from the outside, which you don't know anything until you've hacked that matrix. Like we can say, oh, I would do this, but until you've lived it, it's all speculation, right? So from the external, I say, well, people who are chronically ill, it's their identity. Do you know what I mean?

I do. - It's in every single conversation. And I needed to go experience that. And I, but I was like, but I haven't experienced it. So I can't imagine what it would feel like to be sick all the time. The only thing I've, I've had, you know, I've had a couple chronic illnesses but they were very manageable, IBS and shit. And then I do get extremely sick during pregnancy. And I know that nobody has patience or space for that except for people who've experienced it. And it's 24/7, I'm sick. And so I knew that like, it's something until I was in those shoes I wouldn't get. But the identity thing is interesting because when you get sick and you have, it's like having a brick wall at every single thing you have to do, suddenly things that were so easy, you now, I got to the point where I had to like prioritize, do I take a shower or do I cook the kid's breakfast?

Because if I do one, I might not be able to do the other. It was this limitation that I had never lived with before. But nobody outside of you is thinking about that because you look fine. And if you're not constantly reminding everybody that you're sick, people put demands on you. And just the demand would fuck me up. Just the stress of somebody being frustrated with me would fuck me up. So it's a very tricky place because then, when you're forced to remind everyone all the time to try to get space and at the core, I learned boundaries. Now I am someone that if you ask me for something, I don't wanna do it, I'll just say no.

I'm not going to kill myself coming up with an explanation. I'm not going to hang myself on a cross so that you aren't mad at me. Just like if you're asking me something and I don't have space for it, no. I don't have space for it, sorry. But I was someone who spent tons of my energy just trying to prevent people from being mad at me.

Right, accommodating, yeah.

So that's an interesting part because at one point someone was waking me back up, was like 101, you talk about being sick all the time. And I was like, that is interesting. And when I tap into the energy of it, it was really just me begging people to give me space because I didn't have the space. And that comes from my own internalized capitalism, my own internalized like productivity things, my own, please don't leave me, I'm trying to figure it out. Please like, I know I'm not good and I know I believe you only like me because I'm funny and I know I'm not, you know, it was just, it's like, it's so interesting.

I feel like I can thank you again for going through something that I, just by watching you go through it and then explaining it like you just did, I think I can probably avert that 'cause like I noticed the same patterns and I'm sure a lot of people do, like you're on the wheel, you have to do this, you have to do that. If you don't do that, then this isn't gonna happen. You had goals, how are you gonna reach those goals? You have obligations, how are you gonna do that? And those will pile up on you until you're literally like, you're done, you can't and you get sick or you collapse mentally or whatever happens.

Like, there always is that cumulative effect of what's going on unless you really deal with it. It's, yeah, you, hopefully this is something that as time goes on and people kind of more are in tune with that and deal with it like quickly, we have less autoimmune disorders, we have less diseases that are chronically there. There will always be a function for it. Don't get me wrong, but there is kind of like, I just feel like the emotional, spiritual part of this as that's kind of dealt with and experienced by more and more people, you're like the guinea pig, you're the person who has to go through this and explain it to everyone else, of course, but that really helps us cumulatively over time.

It feels like, you know, it's like abundance hacking, it's like health hacking, it's the same thing.

Well, I've always thought that the autoimmune diseases, because when you, and technically, I was having autoimmune response, but technically, I'll get into that with also what lies. But all of these chronic illnesses come from a misunderstanding of like the integration of the energy field and the body and everything else. And until it's not something you're ever gonna be able to throw a pill at, it's not something you're ever gonna be able to fight, like how we act like we're more with--

Can you vaccinate it?

Some things, I guess, I don't-- (laughing)

It's the perfect day.

I don't know. I'm not a scientist, but I think that we are being forced to come back into harmony with our bodies and recognize the energy field as, I knew all this, this is so annoying too, 'cause the aliens taught me everything about how to heal everything when I was in alien school. I was curing Mersa in some dude's kitchen. And it was whatever the body, whatever the thing is in the body, use that in the emotional, find the allegory in the emotional body in the energetic field, work on those and it should balance the body out. So what's interesting about Lyme is Lyme is kind of a catch all for a series of microbes.

And most people who get quote unquote Lyme, which is, I transpose all of the things, but Borrelia or something, I'm sure that's wrong, but they all start with me for some reason. Anyway, there's several co-infections that most people have. The antibiotics that they give you work on one microbe and it only works in the microbe in the first couple of weeks. But these microbes are, they just add to this already mass ecosystem in your body of parasites and microbes and bacteria and everything else. And they tend to just be the tipping point. And now everything has gone haywire and your body's trying to get them, but they're able to turn into this, whatever.

So now, what happened right as I was getting bit was that, once again, just as, it's my arrogance that gets me into the matrix 'cause I'm like, I'll figure it out. And then I do eventually, yeah. So this time last year, I could be heard bragging on a multiple podcast about how I do no ritual, I don't meditate, I don't do yoga, I don't, I eat well, this is about it, but I eat like a organic seven-year-old. I, you know what I mean? It's like organic (mumbles)

I know, exactly.

Totally.

So eat well. We're gonna air quote that one right now.

I did, I don't, Sage, I don't, I don't do anything in between readings, I don't clear my energy field for a few weeks I do something so, and I've always been, and you and I, I'm interested to see if you end up having to learn this lesson as well. We are, you know, we woke up 20 years ago and we just been living in the matrix for a long time and I've just like, I've never had to do any of that stuff. So what had happened though was that I got, I moved across the country, I left all my comfort items, my ritual just looked different. I had a life in LA that was like perfectly cultivated and I left that, I came to a place where a lot of people ended up being mad at me, which is an Achilles heel for me.

And I spent, in that moment, I now know that if that, if someone gets mad at me, I have to like, okay, okay, take care of yourself 'cause that inner child gets thrown off. I instead got defensive and spent a lot of time consuming their versions of me, you know, rather than being like, oh, okay, I'm sorry and I feel guilty, so I'm gonna pay attention to myself right now because I feel bad and I'm likely to spiral and whatever. I didn't do any of that. I was just like, I'm powerful, everything's cool. Society's collapsing. So now I'm taking this stuff into my energy field, right? So I'm taking things that are not me into my energy field and then the world starts to fall apart.

And then there is some weird stuff in the soberish community where there's a little bit of this like, I don't know exactly, like people were freaked out and then it was, is this spiritual teacher thing that I was trying to fight and then I was like, oh, is it my responsibility to help everybody else? And so I take on more people's shit. And then people start like falling apart and suffering, which I can't fucking deal with. So I take on all that. And then I start to hate myself because I'm doing okay and other people aren't and so I take on that. And then everything in society is so gross and privileged and everything else.

So I take on all that.

It's a lot.

Yeah. And so I feel my energy field and I'm literally getting calls and texts and stuff from people, you know, galactically connected to me who are like, just so your energy field is like critically full, critically full, you have to do something. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It didn't feel not true. But by that point I was so foggy. And so the microbes in my body start to take over my body similarly to the way that my energy field is now filled with everyone else.

That's what usually happens, right? The physical is kind of the last thing. It's the last line of defense in 3D reality. It's the densest matter layer. And so if you don't deal with it as kind of like an ascended higher self level, whatever you wanna call it, then you're gonna get to deal with it kind of on an emotional level. And if you don't deal with it on an emotional level, you're gonna probably get a psychological mental level. And then from there, if you keep just kind of like, man, man, everyone's guilty of this. I do this shit all the time, then it hits me. You have to deal with it physically.

That's just the sequence of events of how it goes. The functionality of that, as I think, it's the recognition of that, the realization that that's what's going on. Then the overcoming of it is a game I think a lot of us like to play. But if you get caught in that game and you forget it too much, you can get stuck in for a very long time in any state, whether it's depression or lime or anything. Like you get stuck there. And I think what's happening is as we kind of collectively disassociate a little bit and have to find that limbo state and recollect ourselves, we have a lot of narratives to potentially buy into these ways, like more than ever before.

And just be careful with where you're placing your attention and your agency and kind of like your power related to these things. And if you find yourself in a situation where you're dealing with something physically, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, like just take the time to delve into it, you will be surprised, in my experience, how quickly you're, sometimes you can pop out. It's not always a time thing, but like you really like, once that lesson is learned, you're like, all right, I don't think I have to do this shit anymore. So, I don't know, it's a, I always toe the line very carefully with health stuff, you know, readings.

I'm sure you've gotten them too. I get chronically ill people and I had people call me and like, you know, their mom's getting brain surgery and like, I have to go to the cards and be like, what the fuck is going on? And you have to be kind of like out there being like, hey, it looks like this to me. And usually what I tell chronically ill people, I'm like, listen, your body is definitely trying to tell you something. You probably know what it is, but if you really want to go through all these cards, we can probably pull it out, but like, this is what it is. Like, just understand this isn't just happening to you because you like, you fucked up or you did something bad or like a past life thing.

Like, you were actively screaming to yourself through your body now that you need to pay attention. And what's cool about the body is it's usually pretty clear. Like, it'll give you like clear symptoms. You have stomach issues, that means one thing. You have shoulder issues, that means something else. Like, it's not just this like, random assortment of things that happens. Like, these are reflections, these are physical reflections of tensions and energies that can accumulate around us. Like, use that, it's cool. I think in the next like 20 years, probably way less, this like, integrative kind of like body, emotional, spiritual work is gonna become so fucking advanced that it's just like in a blow people's mind.

Yeah.

Like, it's just like, I see the signs of it already, but fuck, yeah. And it's a good teacher, right? I mean, the body is an amazing teacher if you let it be.

Yeah.

And you probably have to deal with like mortality shit too, which that sometimes like, sometimes I feel like I've transcended like being afraid of death, physical death, like for real. And sometimes I don't. But dealing in kind of a imprisoned state of either consciousness or physical kind of, you know, like you can't move and you can't do the shit you used to, that's not death. It's a death in a certain way, but it's like a totally different thing. It's a fear.

Yeah, no, I definitely was like, there was a point where there's a high suicide rate with this disease Amy told me so, and I get it, 'cause there was a point where I was like, how long will I live like this before I just hop out, you know? My experiences with trying to get off of suicide my way out of reality have not worked.

Doesn't work so well.

How many times will I have to try to rush and dull to a timeline where I am just not sick? Is that an option? No, it probably wouldn't be 'cause I had to hack this.

No.

I think. - Yeah, exactly.

Aren't I, I think that people with chronic illness who are awake will not be chronically ill in less than five years. I, I, and I think it's very important remains sent me a text that said we were texting about something else. And then he said, by the way, stop being sick, it's dumb. And I'd already jumped a timeline. And so I thought it was funny. And I was like, yeah, that's actually, that recently occurred to me. But I'm like, oh man, I would have been so offended by that while I was still sick. But it is this, and so I have amazing friends who were awake and I know everyone was like, I know I was being very out of character with this, but the thing that's very in character for me is that I am authentic.

And if I don't fucking feel good, I'm not gonna say, I feel great to try to manifest that. And I knew that there was something in August when I only had three weeks where it was good and then it came back. I, I had to kind of stare down the barrel at that moment. And at first I bought all the herbal stuff I could get my hands on. I was like, everyone give me your cures. And I kind of took that masculine fight thing. And I just, I can tell in the matrix when it's a brick wall that I can climb and it's just a brick wall. And it was just a brick wall. And I knew if I tried to jump timelines I would not successfully do it.

So I was like, all right, I have to sit in the matrix and figure it out. And so I really wouldn't have done anything differently. That's the tricky thing about falling asleep in the matrix is that-

That's when you know you're doing it right though, right?

Right, I had to, I had to like do it. And now when I think, 'cause people would call me for hacking stuff with chronic illness and I really couldn't, I'm so uncomfortable speaking to any level of trauma that's not my trauma. And so I know that, that somebody said the other day, my boyfriend says you talk to about yourself too much. And I was like, yeah, well, who else am I supposed to talk about? How fucking?

This other person.

Yeah, I mean, do we need more people talking about shit that they've never experienced? I don't think so.

I'm there for that, don't worry. (laughing)

So, but now I feel like, like I know the frequency and I feel like I could, I'm not ready to really interact with anyone yet, but I feel like I could help somebody get out of those brambles easier now. So I am looking forward to being able to do that at some point. Part of what I've had to do, it was crazy, I jumped in one day. I jumped in one day. 95% of the symptoms went away. I'm still in treatment and probably still will be in treatment for the next six months. But what's crazy is while I was jumping, 'cause this person had me on the phone for like five hours and I snapped out of it like really quick.

And then I, before that was on a trajectory where I was gonna be sick for about another 14 months 'cause there is this advantage if I can feel this. But being sick for another 14 months, there was a risk of it becoming so much of my identity that I never got out. And so these are the things I was like, I cannot figure out how to jump right now. I know if I put this on the cup, so I'm not gonna jump. I now know it's 'cause I couldn't jump with that much other people's shit and my energy field.

Yeah, why would you wanna be here?

And then, so I was in it going, okay, I'm definitely in this. And when does it feel like it would be over? It felt like this time next year, it would be over. And this was in like January. And I started to take action. I hired one of these doctors that specializes in this with the natural and the allopathic. I hired a, at this point, I still couldn't walk. So I got workout equipment to get the strings back in my leg. I hired a physical therapist to do this, but I was trying, but still was very much, I was still sick. And I was still in the timeline. I can still feel the thing in my body. And so in that conversation, I felt myself jump.

I felt my body suddenly felt different. Like I felt myself get to another timeline where I was healing or healed. And my doctor called during that. And doctors office called left a voicemail and was like, we need to talk about your test results, which we'd already done. And so when I saw her, she was different. And that, I think, is the thing that is so important to remember when you're trapped in some sort of matrix, is that these timeline jumps, there's no jump cuts. You don't wake up the next day and everything's over, but you wake up the next day and there's a plot twist that ends everything.

And so the plot twist manifested as the doctor saying, there's this drug that gets rid of it in four months, I'm putting you on it. And then that was it. It was like, we never discussed that drug before. Do you know what I mean?

Here it is.

But don't limit, ever, limit the matrix's ability to, when I was first learning how to manifest, we were like $16,000 in credit card debt. And I was like, we're gonna hack out of this debt. Debt is something difficult to manifest out of because it's really hard to program the matrix because you're asking to get rid of something, you have to mention the thing. Anyway.

I know, I mean, I'm loaded up, I love it. It's one of my favorite things, but it is kind of like, you wrap the really tell a line between acknowledging and then be like, no, it doesn't exist.

Right, yeah, and hacking that. And so my husband at the time got an email or a call that his deceased mother had a 401K 50 years, like a long time ago from an old job and his cut was $16,000. And it's like, you know, three days before that, my regular mind wanted to be like, where are we ever gonna get $16,000, you know?

Totally.

It just is like, you don't have to, you don't have to figure out how. There is an endless amount of plot twist. Someone that Mark knows had got a cancer diagnosis, was told they had a few weeks left to live and then they accepted death and then like, the doctor called back and said, my bad, I read the fucking thing wrong. So like, it's just, it's endless that the matrix will change if you request a different movie. So that's why it's also good to not be toxically positive and like force yourself to feel something different that you feel, you're sick, you're just fucking sick, but be aware of the fact that the longer you wear that identity, you know, wear whatever's true, but the longer you wear that identity, there is a, so I was like, okay, well, this feels like it's gonna take another year, but like, there's a chance that I am just the line person by that time and I will not know how to get out of that.

So, yeah, so.

For what it's worth, I never envisioned that as possible.

No, I, thank you.

No, I just not even anywhere close. This feels like pretty much on course, you're right on the right timeline here with this stuff. I don't think, I don't think you're anywhere close to being the, the thing is, is what I found with this stuff, like you said, you crystallize an identity around it because your thing mentioning the boundaries and the need for space by mentioning it to other people makes total sense, but it can, it's like a debt thing. You're crystallizing something that you have, that you are, that's like heavy lifting. This is like the thing I think we spoke about on the Patreon, your Patreon thing was, you don't say when you don't have money in your bank account, I'm infinitely wealthy.

It's all there in front of me. You don't see it, you're gonna fight that, but you can say, you know what, I'm open to money flowing into me in unexpected ways, just slowly massaging it. The same thing with any health or abundance, like you have to be careful about acknowledging where you are, accepting it, looking at it, but also not viewing that as a limited kind of external influence. Your timeline jumping thing also reminded me, like this is basically what I call the imaginal technique, I don't even need to call that anymore, it's just when you feel the thing, whatever it is, good, positive, bad, neutral, when you accept that as a thing, you do that emotionally, you do that with a felt sense of like, oh, that's a thing, I know that's a thing, that's jumping, that's literally how you jump.

What you're talking about, when you're in a kind of like wonk-a-do state, don't try to jump too much, don't try to do quick jump cuts because you may end up in a really weird fucking place you didn't expect, it's not condemning you to any bad thing, it's not even like restricted by karma a lot of the times, but it is like your reaction to what's going on outside of you, so if you start throwing a whole fuckload of external chaos at yourself, you better be accustomed to dealing with that to end up where you kind of want to, which I feel like most people, from what I can tell, want to feel at peace, want to feel healthy, want to feel comfortable, want to feel helpful, want to feel generous, want to feel supportive, love, like all of the basic shit that's not hard to identify, but we put all these obstacles in our way because we think we have to do that to get that.

We already are that, just once you recognize that, I think that utopian, it sounds wrong, it sounds too love and lady, but I do recognize and see very clearly not just in like dream world imaginal stuff, but in practical things coming out in this reality that like we're moving towards that, pretty quickly, at least in terms of money, health, I think these things are radically gonna be changed in our lifetimes, like pretty, pretty definitely. And I don't know, that to me is like, as long as I can remember that at any given time, it usually helps me recapture that like, this is an internal awareness game we're playing.

That's how we move to timelines. It's with our internal time machine, awareness machine. If you can just remember that, you always have kind of like the magic key to get wherever you want to go. That's what it feels like to me, clearly, I and everyone else forgets that. Like it's not something you remember all the time. That's the game. We wouldn't be here if that wasn't the game we were interested in playing. It's the drug we chose, it's the common, be restricted. Forget about, forget completely that we're limitless and infinite, remember it, forget it, remember it. It's just like a weird thing that we do.

But if you remember that, that's not because like we're torturing ourselves, but rather it's like a functional kind of like, I don't know, spiritually, it's also stupid. Like evolutionary thing, it's just the higher perspective. I don't know what the fuck they call it, man.

These are all my downloads right now. So as soon as I jumped, 'cause there was a point where she was talking that I was like, "Well, why would the aliens send someone?" And then I like thought back and was like, "Oh, I really haven't heard from the aliens in months." And so my energy field was so full that I couldn't even get it downloaded. And Mark was downloading for a lot of January and I usually download hard in January's and I was like, I can't, my body can't take it, I guess. But now I know it's my energy field is full. So as soon as I started to clear that stuff out, which I've got about 60% out.

So I'm still like hiding kind of, but I, it was like ding, ding, ding, ding, when you get Wi-Fi for the first time, you know? And I, these fucking assholes. So the dissension, they've spent a lot of time on. So much of this process for the last year has all this trauma from Atlantis. And Atlantis was our dissension. So we, we do these utopias. We all wake up and kind of come out of the water and just hang and it creates this utopia. But we don't learn a lot in the utopia. The creating of the utopia and then going back to sleep, the dissension, we start to learn again. But really this is the break.

And that's such a funny plot twist. I mean, I knew the waking up and going to sleep, but they're spending so much time on the dissension with me right now that it's like, you know, everybody acts like, I am a light worker. I am here for the awakening of humanity. And it's like, no, you're just supposed to set the table at the cafeteria. We're really just kind of going to a party and it like doesn't matter. Like from the work and the thing that we do as gods here is we're taking a break from that. We're taking a break from the thing and we're just gonna fuck around and we're all acting like it's some big massive calling.

And so the other day I was like, what is this thing then? Like, what is this mission that you wanted? This is such a fuck you. What is this mission that I said yes to 21 years ago if this whole thing doesn't matter? And they were like, to make fun of it. Like everyone's already taking it too seriously. And as serious as you are, you can't wake up in that level of seriousness because it's not serious. It doesn't matter. So the bone is not sitting correctly because everyone's walking around with a stick up their ass, taking a waking up seriously. And so your job is to make fun of it and you're not getting paid for 2020 'cause you didn't do that.

(laughing)

You're not getting paid. Also you asked me to remind you and I have to remind you. It's important to vote, yes or no. God, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to everyone that I tried to guilt into voting. Here's a deal. I would have voted either way because I wanted to be able to say afterwards that I still don't believe in this system and had the other dude won, whatever. But I was still very much in a place of not wanting people to be mad at me so much that I wasn't, and I have mixed feelings about this 'cause I do always see where everyone is coming from.

Totally.

Totally.

And so I didn't do anything that I didn't agree with but I do feel like I came on your podcast I think and told you what you should do. And you were doing what was in alignment with your beliefs and there are some people that think that that's selfish or whatever.

I still don't, I genuinely do not believe that we pick our leaders. I don't even think there are leaders. I think if there are a distraction, I think it's theater. I think the entire thing is theater. And I don't think that votes count because I don't think they count the votes. And so, and I've believed that for 20 years after getting my heart broken by the system decades ago.

Yeah.

And I got, I don't know. I guess I did talk about it a little bit but I got very, I was in a place of being extremely worried about people being mad at me or thinking I was bad.

And this is super, yeah.

No, go ahead.

I was gonna say like that this privilege feeling bad thing I got a bunch of people, I wanna say like last summer who were getting in touch with me. I think this was right around the initial Black Lives Matter thing. And like there was a lot of people who were feeling bad 'cause they felt like they needed to participate and like just by not saying something they weren't doing anything. And I told them I was like, listen, it's worse if you feel like you have to do something and then you go and do it. You're gonna have to learn two lessons there rather than just the lesson right now. It's like, why do you feel like that?

Are you taking on other people's responsibilities? Do you think somehow other people's opinion of what you are changed the type of person you are? Do you take an honest look at your actions and you say, you know what, I am the type of person who does this, I am the type of person who does that. I wanna change this, I wanna keep that. Those are always like useful functional questions. I am the most privileged person in the universe as far as I'm concerned. Like literally, not only do I mean that subjectively and how I feel about myself, but objectively I'm a white, straight man in the United States with like good money, I have fucking crypto stuff.

It doesn't make sense. I'm basically a crypto bro in disguise. So essentially, what is the disguise, crypto bro? There's no disguise. So, but what I'm saying is like that to me only ever feels like a burden. If I start either recognizing actions that mean I'm like placing myself above other people or taking on other people's opinions about what I should be doing. 'Cause how I normally feel is like, holy shit, I'm incredibly privileged. The best thing I can do is let people know what I needed to do to feel like that in my life. While recognizing all the objective kind of barriers people may face, I also, and people could say this is part of my privilege, but I had to go through some serious internal fucking fucked up shit and external fucked up shit to get to this position.

It's not like it was easy. It's not like it was handed to me because I came out looking like this. I think as long as that is kind of the main focus of what people need to tackle now rather than blaming other people. 'Cause this making people do other shit because it offends you right now, it's getting perverted in a way that I think everyone can see. No one's entirely happy with. It's easily exploitable, especially online, because you can inflame people by just a fake thing that's going on. We see this happen across all sectors. So to me, it's just kind of like take the accountability on yourself, recognize everyone is privileged in some way, even if they're in the worst condition, some of the most powerful and kind of indomitable spirits have come out of the worst objective conditions in the world, like undeniably.

So I don't know, yeah.

The privilege thing is interesting because I do believe that, you know, it's not speaking to the level of trauma that I haven't had. So like obviously, not really straight, but white woman, like I'm privileged. I have a lot of things, especially right now, I have a lot of things that other people don't have. I have access to a lot of things that other people don't have, even just being sick and being able to afford the healthcare. I mean, I got that money 'cause I haven't had health insurance for 15 years. I saved all that money. But what got distorted for me was, because I hate it, I genuinely hate, I hate having things that other people don't have.

I do not understand how people who have billions of dollars in the bank sleep at night, it would be so much more fun if everybody had the same amount of things. And anything that I can do to equal that playing field, I will do because I genuinely do not like the energy exchange of like, I used to get massages, have all those fucking detox shit. And when I'm getting the massage, I'm like, I hate that you're giving, can I give you $900 for this? I hate that you're, I don't like it when a server has to wait on me at a restaurant, you know?

I share a lot of this, yeah.

And, but I already do. The, I already have been someone that like, I don't want to go through the list of things that I do, but like I, because I don't like the way that that feels, you know, if I see someone who needs to like, I give strangers money, I like, anywhere I can level that playing field. I believe in reparations. I believe that we should be making reparations to black people. I believe that free college, free healthcare, free mental health resources, land, like.

Totally.

And I truly believe that like, until we level things out and create equality, energetically, this is not going to be a fun place for anyone, all that being said, I don't believe that voting helps anything. Honestly, I don't believe, and that's where it gets, where I'm doing what you, what, what, I would have done it anyway, just 'cause who gives a shit? It took five minutes.

Of course.

Yeah.

But it actually took a lot longer than that, 'cause the internet sucks, but.

It sucks.

Yeah.

But what I'm saying is in that moment rather than, rather than being like, what can we do to actually fix this? Because that I'm dead fucking serious about. I was like, what can, this was like where it is, what can we do? And this is the light and dark side of the social pressure, because we need the social pressure in order to change the reality. But then it's like, people in the summer, we're like, what am I supposed to do? But they're motivated by not wanting people to be mad at them, rather than, what do I, or, you know, to not get canceled or whatever the fuck, rather than, what do I do? I'm looking at a problem, what, from where I'm at, with my resources and my tools, can I do to help clear up that problem?

So this is where I think this stuff becomes functional, 'cause like, it is exactly, how much are you gonna take in dosage wise of the external kind of pressure and privilege? And like, you know, awareness of like fucked up shit going on. The best thing that I've found, and this is why I do this, like on the podcast, is I think the most empowering thing is letting people know that, for the most part, this reality we're experiencing out here is pretty immaterial. It seems super solid, it seems super real, there are clearly other people, don't sacrifice obligations and relationships and responsibilities you may have, but it's much more malleable and dreamlike than we typically experience it as.

If that's true, start scaling up that like, kind of internal ladder of consciousness and start seeing what you can create in your world. If you can at that point affect any change in your reality, you then have stumbled on something pretty important. What I think is practically coming out of this, people are accumulating now out of essentially no money, don't need a ton of money, whether it's stocks or crypto or any of these other things, it's literally happening, like I see it happen to myself, I've seen it happen for my family, my friends, like I've been talking about this stuff long enough to see it actually happening.

I think the societal pressure and kind of the stuff we see out there that needs to be changed is probably going to be changed by us, right? I specifically mean you, me, other people, but like everyone collectively, there's a certain amount that I know I would have that would certainly be enough for me to put into plans very effective kind of changes that I think would be beneficial for the world. And I'm not going to try to save and create world peace, but I know things that I care about that I could see myself giving long-term kind of energy towards that right now to me to try to scale that up from the ground level doesn't seem like the proper strategy.

As I've kind of increased my ability to kind of hack abundance and see what's going on and like actually see that reflected back to me, I see some pretty optimal strategies for this actually evolving. That to me is where this stuff comes from. I think the social awareness of what we have going on out there should be the kind of propellant that gets people to really start to internally change their consciousness or at least get familiar with taking the joystick so they can really affect some change out here. I mean, I know it's going to be happening. We're seeing this. There's going to be a whole new brand of wealthy person who will A, have more money than Jeff Bezos and all these people.

They'll look at how Rockefeller looks to people now who's clearly the richest person who has ever existed up until that point. Had 100 million, right? Those people exist. I think because of the society we live in and there's so much input, we'll see these polarities of light and dark played out on grander scales, but we're going to see a lot more good too. Because typically what I've found is good, if given the choice of good or bad and everyone wins in both, you probably are going to just choose good because it's a little more comfortable, right? People don't typically, there are people who like dissonance, they exist, but for the most part, people tend to skew towards, I'd rather do something good.

I'd rather have the people around me being like union with me rather than like dislike me or me dislike them. So I view this energetically as playing out pretty rapidly as people accumulate traditional wealth, whatever that reflection of energy is. At levels that like 20 years ago, like we're incomprehensible, I never thought in a million years any of this stuff would exist, but it's happening now.

In the cryptocurrency, because that's what I think too, is just if you hack abundance, you can redistribute the wealth, you know? And we really only need one eccentric billionaire to wake up and fucking level this whole thing out, but.

That's it.

In the crypto, I have a couple of cryptocurrency questions. Don't at me, guys. Is this thing decentralized still? Because like now they're talking about, you gotta claim it on your taxes and shit, and there's fucking hedge funds investing in it. So I'm a little, I know you're very pro crypto, but can you talk me off this ledge?

So a few things about that. And specifically, you're probably talking about Bitcoin, which is decentralized, which means it can't be shut down. No one can go, hey, Mr. Bitcoin, shut this thing down. We don't like it anymore. It's past the point of that happening. It's maintained by a lot of different nodes all over the planet, it's not gonna stop. In terms of anonymity, never was anonymous, never was gonna be anonymous. There's literally a record of your address. Once the NSA or any IRS agency knows your address, rest assured, as this evolves, as a major kind of power and currency and just like trillions and trillions of dollars pour into it, the tax man's gonna come and get their shit.

You shouldn't really be trying to avoid taxes ever, just 'cause it's a part of the game we've enjoyed. However, the wealthy do something, which I started doing, which is completely legal, which is when you cash out with a loan, you don't pay taxes on it. That's a loan, you're borrowing money. You don't owe money on money that you've borrowed. So if let's say your net worth is $500 million and you wanna have some equity, you wanna have this real, be able to use this money, you take out a loan and you use that money to then go and spend. You keep pushing, it's like kicking the can down the road. All of these like macroeconomic tools that were only available to like the global elite, very wealthy people, they're all decentralized now.

This is the biggest thing going on in crypto, decentralized finance, people are figuring out that you can lend money to other people who want it and earn a high yield and there's liquidity that pours into all this stuff. So long story short, if you make a lot of money in crypto, the best route for you most likely is either gonna be pull it out and pay your taxes. You're gonna probably be on the hook for it no matter what. Capital gains is 25% in this country or move your money to another bank account like a corporation in another place where you don't pay taxes, Switzerland or wherever it is, or cash out with borrowing money.

It's all hackable, like we literally--

But this is all just like more capitalism, right?

It is, but is it, what is the difference? It's still like not available. I mean, it is available to everyone but not.

The difference is, no, but it is. Like I, there is like people have seen this. Third people literally have had zero dollars who get sent some Bitcoin or something else by someone and then it's worth a lot of money. Like I have no, I've sent a fair amount of Bitcoin to people over the years that at the time it wasn't worth that much that now it's like, holy shit, that's actually worth some real money. It's just money, it's just energy, it's capitalism, whatever you wanna call it. If I work in a capitalist society and I accumulate a vast amount of wealth and it's my decision to redistribute that wealth in a more equitable situation, that's how I choose to use the energy.

There are people out there who we don't hear about who use money wisely and are helping not only themselves, there are communities, but even broader impact things that are going on. What we see in front of us and how the system has been set up traditionally is not that, but it doesn't mean it can't be that and it isn't that now. So I kind of operate in this place where I'm gonna use whatever tools available for me. I know that me sitting back and not looking into crypto isn't like doing a service to the planet. It's not like I'm a better person 'cause I'm not using it. So I think that if this is the tool or one of the ways that like brings in the dollar energetic equivalent of what I feel like I have, then that's just the path I'm gonna use.

I don't really question it. Also, it's just the best tool I've seen for really uncovering your relationship with money. It'll teach you more about your relationship with money, good or bad, everything in between than anything else I've ever seen. Like it's the coolest fucking teacher 'cause you'll make a shit load, you'll lose a shit load. You'll see how you act when this happens. You just lost a ton, you just got scammed. What are you gonna do? It teaches you, is it all a scammer? They all just trying to trick you? Is this a benevolent thing? It's amazing, eventually, I think that's a really effective teacher and you just kinda go like, oh.

It's fake. (laughing)

I think it's a huge-- - It's so made up. It's like, that was my favorite thing when Bitcoin first came out. It's like, we're just creating currencies and it just, it stretches your mind a little bit. I feel like I just sounded like a cryptocurrency critic.

No, it's money though, it's the same thing as money, you're just describing Wampum, which preceded the dollar for Native Americans. It's literally, the only thing we know is money is centralized fiat because that's what people, God, it's only such a crypto door. But basically, when there were people back in the day where they used to go to a bazaar and they say, I have fish, you have bread. I want bread, you want fish, here you go. That was an inter-operatable exchange. It was very fair, it was very equitable. For the most part, if you are a warlord and wanted to take over and sell a bunch of shit that other people couldn't do, you're gonna kill them, you could maybe impede on that.

Then, at one point in time, we had centralized monarchies and governments and they're like, hey, fuck you guys, you can't do that anymore. You have to use these here gold coins. This is now what you use. If you don't use these, we're gonna kill you. That was very effective. That's what worked, it's spread throughout the land through a lot of different people, mainly Great Britain. And that's essentially what we've been using. There's nothing that says, I can't trade you bread for fish anymore. It's just the dominant form of how we pull energy and run our lives comes from money. Bitcoin is totally fake.

All crypto is fake, so is the dollar. So is literally everything you have ever known as money if it's represented in Bitcoin now, 'cause that's worth more money, great. That's my philosophy. We start trading in shells again. I'm gonna get a fuckload of shells if that's what I need to enact some change that I notice at the time can be aided by money. There's like a fine line there. Money won't get you everything you want, but it can help you if you know how to use it. It's energy, it's like anything else. Like having a horrible, shitty time may not help someone get to a great place. But someone else, that could be the most important thing they ever go through and it gets them to the perfect place.

So it's just determining your relationship with energy. I feel like more than anything.

Yeah.

Yeah, well that makes me. (laughs) Just get it and have more, give it to other people.

Yeah, well that's what, is that part of the culture?

That's the biggest part of the culture.

Is the biggest part of the culture is distributing wealth. Is that like, is that a value of the eukipto bros? Is that something?

So I think you have to recognize that a lot of people who traditionally entered crypto early on were white nerdy guys. That's who essentially probably created all this stuff. And those people came from certain backgrounds. Some of them were libertarians. Some of them were agnostic. They didn't really give a shit how this stuff was used. They just liked it as programmable money. At this point it's past that. It doesn't matter. I created at least with my Discord server a long time, like four years ago. And I've seen that type of mentality of everyone winning in the crypto space take over. What I think that is, is it's all the old generational wealth getting funneled down to these younger generations of people and not all of them are spreading it out.

But there are people like, you have a lot of friends. Let me get some Bitcoin and it does tend to have this effect. All it takes is like one or two, maybe three people to really do very well in this space. Which I see literally every day all around me. It's happened. They get plucked up. It's like, you're rich now. You're rich now. All it takes is a few of those to really make a drastic impact on a community if there's a commitment to that. Not everyone is gonna have that commitment. It's not like that's gonna be the dominant force of what's going through crypto. To me, it's not like the most relevant thing.

If those communities exist, if there's evidence of them and you can find them and you can join them, you get to make your own determination on whether this is like just the capitalist kind of money grab or maybe something that is like representing a broader shift in how money is used. I skew towards the latter. That's why I enjoy it and it's fun for me.

That has always been my feeling about it. Without knowing a lot about it, I've always felt very positive that this was something where we liberate, it liberates everybody and kind of turns money into satire which then liberates a lot of people and then because it grows so fast, you can, whatever, but there were just a couple things in the last few weeks that I went, oh man, is this gonna be gross now? Are we gonna be gross with this too? And that at the end of the day is just more gross and so I don't know why I keep waiting for us to be anything other than gross.

I feel like the beauty I've settled on is like we're all pieces of shit and we're all gods. It's great, just enjoy it while you're here. There's other places where we're maybe not pieces of shit and it's not as fun, whatever, it's cool.

That's a good point. I don't remember what else I was gonna say. There's something else about money. Oh yeah, so at the end of the day with the voting thing, I just, what did I text you? I said, I mean, I apologize too. I just like came onto your podcast and told you what you should do and I was just projecting, I guess. And I don't know, people might disagree with that, but it doesn't like line up with my own morals because I basically said I don't think it works but you should do it so people aren't mad at you. (laughing)

That's, but I mean--

Your ability to like, recognize and say that shit is literally why people pay you monthly to listen to your thoughts even when you're chronically ill. Like that is such a, people, everyone does this shit. Everyone is compelled by some aspect of someone else to tell them what they should be doing. Like, it doesn't matter, it just feels fine. I never took it personally. People thought I was a Trump fan. I was just like, I don't know, maybe he's hilarious because this is insane. That was basically my take in the entire time. That got contorted 'cause I was like, I enjoy watching him on TV. He's gonna be there no matter what.

It's not like I'm a Trump devotee, but like that, you know--

It was such a tough time because everyone was so triggered and everyone was in so much pain. And it's like, I get where everyone's coming from all the time, at all times. It's like, I have to like put effort into only paying attention to one thing. Unfortunately, I, and a lot of times the two sides that are fighting with each other are fully misunderstanding each other. And it's just like, it was time to pick a side. And the thing is about nuance because I'm, because of my ability to see like exactly what's happening, there's I see all the nuance. But it wasn't really time for nuance 'cause we're trying to get to a new world.

And if at any point, this is the thing about like calling out the hypocrisy of the left or whatever. It's like, yeah, but if you call out the hypocrisy, like I am morally aligned with the left. Like I'm as fucking liberal as not live whatever the fuck they call it. I don't know, I'm not political, but like I am as like, I don't know all the lingo. So I'm gonna say the wrong thing. I am as fucking like, get society out of this. I see so much of this shit as just Christian fucking capitalist bullshit. Burn it all down to the ground, give everyone the same amount of everything. And don't let the government run that.

But like, and then, yeah, I am left. And put every fucking seat at this goddamn table. And until that's done, I don't like it. It doesn't align with my morals. That said, you know, a lot of times what we're doing when we're trying to just make everyone else feel like shit for not fully getting it yet is we're actually slowing that process down. And so I get all that nuance, but then I don't, I don't say anything 'cause the second you go, "Well, that's a little bit hypocritical." You end up aligning with some like sexist, Nazi. And it's like, well, I don't wanna align with you in any way, shape or form.

So I'm just gonna sit here and like, let this thing play out. I'm not gonna criticize it 'cause it's doing a job. And did you watch the Britney documentary? I feel like I'm just--

No, but I love Britney Spears so much and I didn't watch it yet. I heard it's fucking amazing.

I want everyone who says anything about social justice warriors to watch that movie and then immediately suck my dick because we lived in such a toxic society that this girl was getting hit on at five years old by Ed McMahon getting shredded in the most disgusting, internally misogynistic way by Diane Sawyer for what she wanted.

Yes, Diane Sawyer, holy shit. Have you seen, I've seen so many interviews with so many different people with her in the past, a lot of them are in TikTok, which is where I get all my information in this case. Like, holy shit, what is she so brutal?

We were all like that. Like as women, we were programmed to hate our own and all that Christian shit. Like, that's everybody forgets or if you guys are younger, you don't even know that like the way that women were shamed for being hot because then other women, like women projecting their shit because their husband jerks off to the girl. Or what, it's a fucking insanity that we lived in. And if it weren't for arsenal energy being out there every single fucking day, pack manning the old world, making it completely uncomfortable to be sexist or racist or whatever. It's a grating energy, I get it, but I'm a hundred percent behind it because we would not have healed this much of us as a society without that just constant fucking reminder that that's not okay.

You don't get to talk to a five-year-old girl. He was like, do you have a boyfriend? And she was like, no, and he's like, can I be your boyfriend? Yeah, on Star Search. And that's just like, God, you made fucking gross old men. I had to let kiss me on the lips and shit because it was okay. When I was a kid, some fucking uncle I don't know or some teacher like, so thank you. Thank you, annoying ass social justice warriors for helping us get to a better society. So that's why I don't, that's why I'm like, listen, I don't want these guys to be mad at me. They're terrifying. I don't want to be on, 'cause for five seconds you go, okay, well, I don't believe, there's a thing too.

I have not believed that they count our votes. Like they might count them in a room, but then they'd go to somewhere else. There's things theater, politics is theater, sorry. Totally. And I've believed that for 20 years, just like I knew that college was a scam and I had to sit through everybody talking like I was an idiot and how I knew, I knew a bunch of things are not true. I don't say anything because society believes one thing right now and I'm not trying to, you know, I know when to hold them, know when to fold them, but at that point, it was still wrapped up in everyone else's trauma and it's crazy how quick that dot.

And I did everything aligned with what I believe but I regret like, I don't regret it. Not, I don't regret, but I owe you an apology for trying to get you to capitulate along with you. But you know you own apology too is the people who listened to that and then weren't gonna vote and then went and voted. Those people, you would change their minds for no good reason how to worry you. I don't think I changed anyone's mind about voting. Of course not. No one does, that's the funniest thing about this shit. Like it always just is like an espousal of our particular perspective on reality at the time.

Like I don't think about voting ever until it's time to vote and people start talking about voting. It's not something that's like on my mind as like a pillar of constitutional justice like in this country. It's just not. It's so nuanced because listen, I hear, and I think that we need to be open to things like privilege. And like, so anything that someone says, well that's privilege, this was a crazy one the other day. I just all this stuff against landlords. And so I always thought I would own property and rent it out, and I think I would probably be a nice landlord. But it's something I just always believed we had to have landlords because not everyone can buy a house.

And I haven't super looked into this, but this immediately like opened my mind the other day when I saw someone say that it is the buying up of properties beyond your own property and renting them out that has created this thing where it is impossible for someone else to rent a house. So it's kind of, you know, you think it's a solution, but it's actually a, and so that immediately I'm going to do more research, but that resonated. And I went, oh shit, that's like something I never would have thought as something that is like I'm doing for myself that I don't need because I already have a home.

And then it is contributing to the oppression of other people and the holding of the people down. And so these are the kinds of things that I'm constantly going, OK, well, that's a new piece of information, and I actually won't do that. Or I thought of something where what if you bought a house and then rented it to someone, but you just banked their money. And at the end of them staying at the house, you gave them their money back, and then they had a down payment for a house or something. Because I was like, in my head, going to buy a property when I did a comedy special. And now I'm like, well, I'm not going to do that.

And I was like, oh, I could use it for this if I paid it. That's a cool idea. If you bought a house for someone, OK, so they're money that they use, let's say you put that immediately into some yielding interest thing. And you keep the interest, and they get their money back for the house that they bought in full after paying-- I didn't think of the interest. Well, just because this is what's going on, this is-- the funny thing is, is I never was. And then there was a point where this crypto shit just made it-- I was like, oh my god, this is what everyone has been doing. This is what they've been leveraging.

Every rich person you know, by the way, leveraged debt. There's not one very wealthy person who we're aware of who didn't leverage debt in some way, unless they're an athlete or even musicians. You have to leverage debt. So yeah, you can just get interest now, like crazy. It's all moving to crypto. It's like insane. Your bank account will give you 5%. You can get, I don't know, easily 10% to 20%. And if you have substantial funds, houses are expensive now. That literally, at the end of however many years it takes, that can work for everyone. I just feel like for the most part, though, there are going to be enough people who are just like, here's a house friend.

Here's a house community. It's not a big deal. It's not the end of the world. Here it is. And I don't think that's going to work in every situation as perfectly as maybe I think it is. But I do feel like this gifting economy of like, I don't know, it just seems inevitable to me.

I think we're going to snap out of this money thing. And I, the debt thing, makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I think that the debt represents that same codependent energy of like taking you, owe me, whatever that we're trying to get out of. And I don't think you can be autonomous, not to say if you still have debt, you're not being autonomous. But that thinking that we have of like, any way that we can become free and autonomous and give ourselves the freedom, like this is what a lot of I've learned of like, we can collapse capitalism. We have to collapse it from within us. But it's the competition.

It's the trying to have more than other people. It's the, it's socially rewarded or it used to be celebrity culture, everything else to hoard things. And now it's not socially rewarded. And so we'll see a shift in the billionaires hoarding money when it's like, oh, you have billions of net worth, that's disgusting.

Exactly.

So that the social pressure fucking matters because those two aren't saving, they're saving that money because their egos get stroked for it, you know?

Yeah, that's literally all it is. And you know what, here's the thing. Jeff Bezos, you know, on Musk had the idea and felt in their hearts that they're the world's richest person at one time. That's something they believed and they saw it and that's amazing. I tend not to cast too much judgment on people who have things that I don't have and I can't imagine having. But I do know and I see exactly what you see. It's like, why don't you just maybe like, I don't know, make it a little bit better, guys? Like you represent like a large section. I've also heard a competing theory from people I do know with like large amounts of money that most of this stuff that we perceive as like public wealth just isn't.

It's not. There are people there with trillions of dollars out there. There are people with like pulling levers at like, you know, the monetary funds and all that shit. Like it's just a stage just like politics is and it gives us something to focus on. That said, I'm not the type of person if someone says, hey, I don't have money. It's just like, hey, say you're rich, you're good. Like you may have to do some imaginal lifting to get things to flow into you, but like, you know, this, you have to work with what we're given right now. We can't create our own Noah Bucks just yet in Jessica's. Maybe in like five years.

Not even five years, is this right?

NFT tomorrow.

Here's a awakening OD dollar. I think, you know, at the end of the day, we are creating our own reality and that the most I can offer the best thing I can offer. I mean, physical money, sure. And I have no problem doing that 'cause I don't fucking like it. But, I don't get it. I don't get the high to be honest. It's like, it's, I don't understand it. It's like people really get into sports and I go, I don't get it. I feel the same way about having shit when other people don't. I do not understand the appeal.

I like it.

Huh?

I like it.

Listen, I do not, I've been dirt poor and I've had abundance and I have abundance and I'm not trying to downplay that and I'm not trying to make it sound like I'm putting it in a yurt right now. You like having it in the contrast of other people not having it?

Oh, that's gross. That's odd.

Well, there's a lot of people that like only want, like that's what the competition thing is. It's like Bezos, you can have Amazon and pay your employers employees a sick wage and still fucking clean up off Amazon. What is it that makes you wanna have it on their backs? I don't understand that, not for one minute. I don't get that energy exchange and I don't think it's anything I've ever.

No, I mean, I worked in structures that were set up like that and that's ultimately what made me leave them. Is that type of mentality? I mean, I mean, it's usually just like a deep seated insecurity.

It's insecurity, right?

It's just ego stuff. I mean, that's the thing like, I don't know, it gives a shit, like if you want a nice thing, have the nice thing, you don't need to have it because someone else doesn't have it. That is gross. That is like, it's just like, I don't even have time for that type of mentality. If someone like that, like walks into my life, I'm like, all right, that's who you are. That's a funny cartoon of how a person's supposed to be. Like, I can't.

Oh, a cartoon is such a great example of it because in my days working in fine dining restaurants, man, did I have to wait on so many of the people? And I was just like, you're a clown. You're like, you're a literal clown. Using your hot shit to me, I'm like, you exude someone who's dad did a, you know, like you or you're insecure about the size of your penis or what is the thing you're--

Something's going on here.

Something you're overcompensating for. All that to say, I think that the greatest thing that we could do is teach everyone how to manifest their way out of this bullshit and then fucking, and that's what I see evidence of is like, people just hop in timelines, creating spontaneous wealth. None of it makes any sense. Do you know how many people are just like, I didn't have a job and then I've got unemployment. I'm like, you know, they haven't had to work in the last year. They're just getting, I know one person got rejected for unemployment and then just has been broke and not paying their rent or something and then someone called them and was like, why haven't you claimed unemployment?

Here's all your money.

All your money. Here's fucking $15,000 real quick. So it is, I'm seeing the evidence of us breaking out of that. It's pretty easy for me to sink back into it though. So thanks for.

Yeah, no problem, no problem at all. Jessa, you're the best. Where can people find you? What are you doing now? I know the Patreon tell people.

Patreon is four episodes a month now at the $7 tier and then some live streams. The $20 live, the one's dumb. Just the $10 spots where it's at actually. And then a terrible, terrible self-promoter.

I'm also a $20 patron. I don't take a person. It's like, you know what it is? The $20 tier is how you should frame it. It's just like, I like this person. I know I'm not getting a whole lot more, but I like this person. Here you go.

I just haven't found anything cool and I'd the $10 tier.

I get it.

But yeah, I am six people's patrons and I don't ever watch that, I don't ever watch that. I know I'm running your phasers. I have no idea. I have no idea.

What's going on there? Just Discord links every fourth email.

Yeah. And then I, AwakeningOD is my current podcast. I will be putting more out now that I feel funnier and that's it. I just have read comedy on Instagram and Twitter, but I don't know. I might be permanently getting off of social media soon. I don't like it.

Really? I love it. I love all the horrible shit. That's the, you know, I just love it all I think is my--

I mean, I'm coming out of a year's long near death, a very slow near death experience. So I think I'm like, yeah, I'm cool with everyone else's energy. I'm gonna get a bubble and live in it.

You should just unfollow everyone.

That's what--

And only follow your friends. That's what I've been doing from the beginning. It's great. I literally don't follow.

Well, then I have to deal with a million people.

Who cares?

Yeah, I know, fuck.

That's a good way to deal with your people and not liking you. Do you know how many people--

Are you gonna meet friends I have?

I had someone call me out on Twitter for unfollowing them. And I had to literally say publicly on Twitter to them, like, hey, I'm just not into what you're tweeting. Sorry. Which did not make them feel good. But like, I'm ruthless because like, I think everyone should be. This is literally what you're consuming all day for most people. Like don't open that shit up to other shit. You don't wanna see it.

I follow artists that don't follow anyone. And I consider doing that. Just unfollow everyone. And then that way I'm posting and never scrolling. But then even then I'm just like, what's the fucking point? I have podcasts. I have this shit like, I don't know.

I like likes to.

I'm not out of the hole yet. So we'll see how I feel. I'm gonna get back on for the next few weeks for sure, but.

Amazing. Cool. You're the best. I'm glad you're feeling better.

Thank you. Did this suck? Was this bad?

No, this is a movie. You're talking about it. It should be the most popular one.

All right, I love you now.

Cool. Love you all the other way. And bye bye. (gentle music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

Hope you enjoyed that episode. Jessa is the coolest. Go check her out at jessareed.com. All of the places you would find one on the internet. That's where she is. Reminder, if you want to join the crypto sync discord, Patreon is the best way to do that. We also have bonus episodes there. Live stream, smoke sessions. There's a whole bunch of shit that we do every month. Tarot readings, weekly, Q&As, all the fun stuff. So that is there if you want it. That's at patreon.com/synchronicity. There's usually a link in the podcast notes when I post it. That's it. I'm done. I'm exhausted. I hope you guys are good.

It's not Corona, by the way. All right. Until next week, happy imagining.

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