Fill Your Energy Bar with Jessa Reed

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Thanks for doing this, by the way. I mean, I don't even know the last episode I put out. I just have people like messaging me every so often being like, "Hey, like, are you still doing this?" 'Cause like, we kind of, I like them and I'd like to hear more and I'm like, "Yeah, I am." But I don't even know the last one that came out, but I'm glad that we got together to do this, people like hearing from you. So this is--

Are you, so is this synchronicity your main podcast or is this a Patreon episode? No idea.

Yeah, I don't do, I'm honestly, it should be a Patreon and it'll be on the main thing, but like my Patreon, like these are the nicest, kindest people of all time because I literally, I may be post like twice a month and it's just the Discord link, like once in a while, I'll be like, "Hey, I'm sorry I don't post here. "I promise I'm gonna do it. "I'm totally gonna do it this month, I got big plans." And I really do mean it when I post that and then I inevitably don't do shit. But they're like super understanding. I think the only reason people haven't completely revolted is, like I'm pretty upfront, like the main benefit of joining the Patreon would be the Discord server where you can sign up and then cancel it.

So like, you know, you're paying like eight bucks or whatever it is and then you can just cancel it forever. It's like, it's worth it. So like, I think people understand, but every once in a while, like someone's so excited. They're like, "I just found this. "I'm so excited to join your Patreon." I'm like, "This is gonna be very exciting."

Yeah, yeah, people keep finding AOD. Although I did put one out weirdly like a month and a half ago, but you're a manifesting generator, right?

Yeah. - Yeah.

So we share that I get really excited about something for a short amount of time and then I do it and then I really, I have a lot of ideas. I don't execute a lot of them.

Manifesting generator seems to be synonymous with the, it seems to go right along time ADHD.

Yeah. - Very, very similar. Yeah, so I do keep up with the Patreon, but I did like way over commit. I think at the beginning of the Patreon and didn't think like, "Oh, when you add all this here together, "I'm supposed to come up with like three hours a week "of original things to say." And yeah, I just--

I mean, like the thing is, like I know you know this too and this applies for everyone who does anything. Like you go through waves of like being like, "Hey, yeah, I can pump out three hours." Like I mean, I used to do like three, four podcasts a week, like hour and longs. - Right.

And I was like, "I'll do this forever." And people were complaining to me to like, "Stop doing this many who can't listen to them this quickly." And I'm like, "Hey, I just gotta get them out." I remember I literally gotten like a back and forth email exchange with someone feeling like, "Dude, like you know you don't have to listen to them." Like I thought like, "You're being forced to do this." But yeah, you go through waves and like, it's really easy and it flows sometimes. And then like, you know, I learned over this past year and it's in those small parts of having another kid and just like having a lot of shit going on.

But like, it doesn't always flow out effortlessly. And I feel like when it does, you know, if you make plans based on that, you know, it can be hard to keep up with it. But I mean, at a certain point, I'm sure you know this, like it's just like, you do what you can. And like people are either along for the ride if they want to be or they're not. Like you don't have to really worry too much about like, you know, adhering to some like content strategy. At least for the shit that like, I feel like we talk about like that. There's no product here. You know what I mean? It's not like there's some end sell.

You need to be buying something. So.

Yeah. And I know, no shade to spiritual capitalism. You know, I've done a lot of healing work around my judgment of how other people do things in this arena. But for me and the way that my energy works, it kind of doesn't matter how everyone else does it. Whatever I'm doing, I have to actually think it makes sense. Marketing and doing things to make sure that they're done and consistent. Like none of that matches my energy, first of all. And it certainly doesn't match the work that I'm like the message that I'm conveying, which is feel free to emancipate yourself from these ideas. So yeah, I have just had to learn how to put things out when it feels right.

I'm very, very picky about podcast. I'd rather not put a podcast out than put a podcast out that was very obviously filler. So I throw away probably 30, at least 30% of my podcast still because if I record it and it's not contributing something to the conversation or at least funny or interesting, I'm like, yeah, I don't care. I just won't put it out.

I think it's smart too. Like the shit stays there, you know? It's like up there, like you don't want some like lame. I mean, there's probably like at least 100 podcasts I have out there recorded that I would consider like really shitty, but for the most part, like yeah, I mean, like, you know, if you feel I scaled back big time because I could see it getting to the point where it started to feel like a job or like I was playing a role that was expected of me. And if I didn't have anything to say, that wasn't like actually either like really going on in my life or something I could speak experientially about or passionately about.

Like I don't really like, I don't need to be doing this, you know what I mean? I'll always be around if I have some shit to say. And I think that's fun that I have like a platform for that. But like this was never about like building up and maintaining like a content strategy for an audience based on this. 'Cause like you said, like I think like the main thing that we're talking about, it's like, hey, you can kind of create your own reality. So if you were going to be subservient in any way to someone else's idea of what that is or what it needed to be, like that's not a logical kind of like connection or relationship to have with this type of shit.

But yeah, I mean, you know, people are always willing to buy a multi-level marketing, you know, pitch with spirituality because like, why not? Like I get it.

Yeah, and I have to check in with myself all the time about like what, why am I doing this? And you know, you knew me before I truly came out, I think maybe not. But I think we met around the time where I was just starting to like talk about this stuff publicly. And it still is not easy for me because a lot of it, I am skeptical that it's supposed to be said out loud. But it is still something that's like vulnerable for me and it's difficult for me. And I do have a desire to help people. I do know that there are limitations and how you can help people. I don't believe you can have wake other people up.

And so what, what feels good to me and what I have a desire to do is to validate people who are on the bridge between the worlds and also teach people like practical, not pie in the sky overly woo, teach people practical ways to walk between the worlds. Those are the things I wish I had when I was waking up.

Right.

And so this a pretty like, like, fundamental foundational set of ideas. And I have conveyed those ideas multiple different ways. And I have to like, every once in a while, I get inspired to convey those ideas in a new set of ways. You know, like so British and AOD are basically saying the same thing in two different ways. I'm now thinking about getting into kind of more video content. So yeah, but ultimately, like what makes me feel good is not that I am a content machine. What makes me feel good is when someone says I had no idea what was happening to me. I thought I was going crazy. I had nobody to support me and listening to you help me realize I was okay.

Like that's to me, that's what does it for me. I, while I may personally be into all different other areas of spirituality from, you know, I have space for conspiracy stuff. I space for all this other stuff. I don't, I'm not sure that those public conversations help anybody. And I'm not, I'm not really interested in anything other than that like kind of bridge.

Yeah, it's practical too. Like that's where a lot of this shit comes into like, play here is like, you could always be, I was, I was watching this Netflix thing, this bad vegan, little documentary. They put together, did you watch this thing?

Yes, and doesn't that make you go fuck? That's part of the reason I don't want to talk publicly is because there's so many of that snake oil salesman out saying it's the same thing.

And like you see, like what's really interesting about it is this poor woman, like, you know, she was susceptible to this guy who was a queer manipulator and he just kept pitching this like magical, you know, realism stuff and what I found particularly interesting is like where he really started to like, kind of like trick her even more down the rabbit hole is like when they were going to all these casinos and he had this ability to like conjure up these winds, you know, he was probably in a flow state, probably half believed these weird kind of like Marvel comic delusions he was pitching to her and himself.

And like, you know, he rode that line for a little bit but like it was clearly bullshit. Like I mean, for like, I mean, it was like, very clearly talking about making the dog immortal and all this stuff, but you can see that for someone who is already kind of predisposed to like a magical realism way of thinking, which I'm predisposed to, I completely get it. That might be being pejorative, how with not too much convincing, you know, you can get people believe in some really out there in weird shit and kind of like get your hooks in. Like he get just kept telling this, this woman like you can, it just got to wait for the happily ever after.

Just wait for that moment, it's coming. Just give me, you know, another $100,000 wire and here it's going to come. And like, you look at it from one perspective, like how could anyone be that like gullible and foolish? But then on another hand, like if you're really getting fed, just so much bullshit that you can't even discern what's going on and you have this tendency to kind of be like gullible, like it's fucking crazy. Like I mean, I was shocked, but I also understood it in a lot of ways.

Yeah, we're in such a wild window of time in the awakening where we are coming out of a, we only believe in what is physically proven game and going, returning to a more mystical belief in the unseen. Meanwhile, I think there has to be a certain level of shadow work done in order for discernment to be fully activated, right? Because if you're still mostly driven by your subconscious desires of which you are not aware, you're going to be gullible because you're nursing fantasies of there. Like 'cause that was the thing that tripped me out the most about "Bad Vegan" is what would possess you to, well, I understand you want the mystical parts to be true.

So I get that, but there was something else. There was something else there. And towards the end, it becomes obvious. Like, oh, she's actually trying to take him and she got taken and they got too far in. And then sorry, it's spoiler alert of this whole show.

Yeah, it's fine. Like, yeah, you can see the foundation of like what everyone's narrative is cracking pretty early on in that. But yeah, it's, yeah, I mean. And I think the same thing when you take a manifestation course, you know, I did an abundance course recently. And the very first thing I say is, this is gonna take you a year for every decade that you have been in lack of programming. And if someone claims that you can read their book or watch their video and suddenly miraculously manifest everything in your dreams without addressing the fact that you've been living in a completely opposite reality of that your whole life, I don't know, I'm skeptical.

They can tell you principles that work for someone that's fully healed. You know, are a great example to me of someone who has mastered receptive abundance, right? So you've seen every time I try to manifest passive income, like you'll be like, hey, this crypto thing is working great. And I'm like, all right, well, get me involved and it won't. Not because that doesn't, I'm never gonna be able to have that because I have not gotten to the place where I've healed my own internalized capitalism enough to where I believe that.

It takes a bit. I will say like, you know, this whole idea, it's like really like a myth at this point, not in like a, it's not real way, but in just like it's an archetype of passive income, of just like this money flowing in constantly and you don't really have to do anything. Hey, I hope everyone understands that even if you do achieve that kind of flow, like it requires a lot of work to build something up that can sustain over a period of time. It requires like a lot of everything. It's definitely not just like a flip a magic switch. That's called just being like born into a rich family and you're good.

That's a different type of thing and you're probably not having issues with money anyway. So you don't have to worry about it. But I mean, that requires like a real fundamental shift. I think the easiest thing, like what really helped me a lot with crypto, with the abundance stuff is just seeing how silly everything is. Like at the end of the day, like how actually really ridiculous all of this stuff is. And at a certain point, you just can't take it seriously anymore. And I know that can be like really challenging. Like when I've been in my worst, like money situations, it feels like the opposite.

It feels like the most serious thing in the world. Like if you don't have money, you're not gonna be able to pay your rent, you're not gonna be able to eat, you're not gonna be able to take care of family, all this stuff. So I'm not denying that, but like really, if you knew how stupid most of this shit is, like in terms of like how money flows and works, like you just, it's hard to take seriously at a certain point. Like if enough of the veil gets pulled down, like you're just like, oh shit. Like I don't think I can justify emotionally getting Ben out of shape. Even if it seems bad, and I also just like, something that really helped me is debt, this idea of debt and it being like an energetic debt.

And if you know that you can actually repay that energetically, like there's actually nothing wrong with taking on some extra like money karma or whatever it is. So like now at the point where if I'm like, hey, like shit's looking rough. Like I'm not gonna have the same level of income or crypto is just not gonna be good or I don't have like a real plan after like a couple of years, I'll just be like, all right, like how much can I borrow? Like whatever rates I can get, like how much, how many years does that buy me? Until like something else comes along. So like I always have like at least a few years planned out at this point and that'll just go away at some point too.

It'll just be like the number will be so at a point where I'm just not gonna even need to like think about that. It's more about like how do I just like funnel this out in different directions. So I don't know, it's like it does require shifts, but I think it's just gonna get easier for people to kind of make that switch with money because we're so through the looking glass with all this shit. Like it's not even like, it's insane.

So something that when I first, someone first introduced me to what crypto was Bitcoin in like 2009, my initial reaction was, I wish my initial reaction would have been buy some Bitcoin, but I was like, I don't have money for that right now. And it was like-

Yeah, of course.

But my initial reaction was, oh, here's an opportunity to turn the economic system into satire. And something I did once the crash happened, I was so fat, I was suddenly so fascinated, I'd never had learned anything about the economy. I didn't even know what the economy when people said it and I didn't understand how your money affected my money. And the big short is my favorite movie ever. And I was like, what do you mean they bundled people's, like what the fuck does that mean? And I highly recommend if you have the bandwidth for this sort of stuff to educate yourself, first of all about tax law, I can't believe how many people don't know how many people don't know how you think about taxes.

Yeah.

Second of all, learn how the economy works because you're trained from birth to be afraid of this system and to take it very seriously. And when you find out the game that those rich people are playing with stocks and bonds and everything else, you realize, it drives me nuts when people are like, crypto aren't, isn't real. And I'm like, what? (laughs) Are you aware of the economic system of which you are a part? It's all bullshit. It's all just bullshit. And then it's bullshit betting on bullshit and speculating and buying things together and stocks about, it's all just nonsense. And I don't participate in any of that part of it, but to just once I learned about it and was like, oh, and you try to explain it to people, we're like, what?

And it's like, yeah, it's not real. It's not real. It's backed by, it hasn't been real for a long time. And so we're in this kind of collective awakening of this. And that's why we all know it's gonna crash, right? Because once you are aware of your own bullshit and you're looking at it, it starts to crumble. We are collectively realizing, wait a second, this seems like a consent-based game that we're all playing, but I don't remember giving consent.

Exactly. - Oh, I think consent, yeah. And so I don't think we're doing it just for a very long. I'm not trying to perpetuate the fear of the crash. I think the crash, I don't know. It doesn't feel to me like it's going to be.

The crash, at least as far as I'm concerned, it's hard, it's just I'm so disconnected at this. But I'm not totally disconnected because crypto does work within the sphere of the global macro economic system, even if it's like a counter signal and doing something opposite, then there's a relationship there. I think there's gonna be enough fragmentation and capital and liquidity spread around that whatever crash happens in the traditional markets, that money will be distributed in a way that it's not as dire as people expected to be. I almost think this expectation of this catastrophic, just total implosion of the economic global system, I don't think that's gonna happen.

I think we also have you and I and just people in general have such a limited understanding of really what's going on from a macro. It's not whatever we think it is. It's not inflation, it's not Ukraine and Russia, it's not oil, it's not energy. It's like it's literally there are decisions being made about how to manage just like the world's money, right? We know that there's some relationship to the dollar and it's a petro dollar and it has to do with energy. Sure, sure, sure. But we really don't know shit. But what I do know is like there are enough ways right now that if you needed to cobble together 40 to $60,000 a year, just from like Googling ways to make money, you could do that, right?

And I don't think that's gonna align with everyone, but that possibility exists now. And whether those systems are fair or they could be fair or whatever, that's up for debate. But like, I don't know, to me, like it's easier now than ever to actually generate revenue and income than it's been in the past. Now, unfortunately, a lot of that money is worth a lot less than it used to be. So that's a whole other story, but like--

That means the exchange of gas.

Yeah, I mean, it is fucked up and like inflation, like it's not totally understood. I mean, cryptos helped me understand it because like when you buy tokens and the number of tokens keeps increasing and all of a sudden what you had was a lot becomes a little that helps you understand inflation pretty well. But I mean, you know, the US has printed more money in the past 10 years. I think it's even less in that than like the previous 40. So like you just know intuitively that this can't be good for the value of things in terms of what we're buying. But I don't know, I think like this is just an opportunity, this like chaotic node we're in here with money and stuff is just to get people to like kind of like step up and just step into their own abundance and like ability to be abundant.

But like that does require like a pretty big shift in thinking if you've been told or believed that money works a certain way and like, you know, you need to go and work for it and make it and save it. Like I have found repeatedly the best way to make more money is to spend a lot of money. And that can be like, well, that doesn't make any sense. If I don't have any money, how am I supposed to spend it? I can just tell you from personal experience, I borrowed it and I spent that money. And lo and behold, more money came in that replaced that money and on top of it. And it's like, there is a relationship there that I think is not understood and seems like conventional wisdom would say like, don't do that, that's bad, but it actually is valuable energetically.

Saving, budgeting, making money, a big deal definitely causes contraction. I too hacked abundance through debt originally. I try to stay out of debt now, but I would say really heal your relationship with the idea of debt in tandem, 'cause otherwise I definitely like, you know, I've been working on having abundance for like over a decade and, you know, for a very long time I would, every time I would be like, okay, I'm gonna manifest a thousand dollars. I, one of my credit card limits would almost immediately go up a thousand dollars and they were all, we're there in like a permanent state of max.

And then I would go into like the sweating anxiety of like not being able to pay the debt. And so it, you know, but very similarly, it took me almost that long, I mean, equally as long to like learn how to be in relationships with people without projecting my bullshit onto them. So it's all a mirror and it's very, you know, it's very useful and abundance is like universal law, where the rest of this is constructs of the game you're playing. Universal law trumps constructs all day long. So it's just about remembering your access to abundance and it truly does not matter if the system is functioning and awful or collapsing in front of your eyes if you've hacked into abundance.

That's why healing your relationship with capitalism is so...

Yeah. And I feel like this is why shit is so wonky right now is it's forcing people to reevaluate their relationships with this stuff, right? I mean, that's why we feel that things are going to collapse or that things are can't last like this or things are going wrong. And something, the other choose got to drop or whatever it is, like that's your wake up call to start investigating what's going on. Like, trust me, no one wants to be the person hearing me being like, yeah, I'm doing really well when they're doing really shitty. I'm doing really well 'cause I put digital craps. That's annoying, don't be the person in the position where you have to hear a jackass like me tell me that I'm doing well because of digital craps.

You too, maybe it's not digital craps, but there is enough. I also just think in tandem with like benevolent, like there's enough people who will understand the kind of like ridiculousness of money that like it will slowly just like soften people's relationship with it naturally, like I really do believe that. I also know that I've seen people who like, you know, if you just like, if they need some money and you give them some money, like they're good after that. Like that, they just needed it for that time. And like, I know there'd been plenty of times in my life where like, fuck, I could've used, you know, a few granted, it really would've helped.

I think if that becomes more common amongst people, that should help people feel that there's this other like social safety net that's not like reliant on like the government or like, you know, having to go to a job or like, cause like the truth is like, none of this shit is ever fully secure. There's no, there's no job security at the end of the day really with any good stuff, even like, so like you have to find some internal way to generate this stuff. And yeah, I mean, like this is obviously the time to be doing it. I don't think it's gonna get more clear in terms of like traditional or conventional ways of like, how to survive and do well in society.

And I don't even think people know what that means. Like what is doing well now? Like how do like, what does that mean to people? It could be 10, 12 different things, who knows, so.

I mean, I think everything's up for reevaluation right now. I think, you know, I think everyone's definitely waking up from the like brainwashing that, you know, your entire life should be centered around how you make your money that, you know, that you're a piece of shit if you don't want to work every minute of every day. That you're lazy if you don't have the motivation to go to a job that doesn't even pay your bills, you know. And I'm glad to see that we're waking up to that. You know, there's a lot of things in capitalism that I find to be yucky. And I just choose not to participate in those things.

And I agree that opening up the, this was a really hard lesson for me to learn, but easy come, easy go. And that when you're having a hard time mastering easy come, easy go is better. And if, you know, you don't want to be a massive consumer or spending money is difficult for you, give it away. Give your money away.

Yeah.

Give all of it away, but like, just start being like, okay, every time I get paid, I'm just gonna ask the universe to bring me someone. This is also a great way to play with synchronicity. You know, just bring me people that I can help out quietly, you know, not fucking announcing it on the internet. (laughing) You do not make a TikTok about it weirdly. You can just help out on the street and not.

What's the point then? If you're not making a TikTok about it.

Yeah, yeah, and watch that kind of channel open up. 'Cause a lot of the way that capitalism is set up is really based on this, us versus them, the illusion of separation, and ways to dissolve that is to start to, you know, be of service to other people. And even if you're just leaving fat tips, I'm like, you know how much as someone who works in the service industry always, do you know how much, like a hundred dollar tip changed my fucking life on multiple occasions, you know, every server has a story or two of like the person who left the $500 tip right before Christmas and suddenly you could get your kid that thing or whatever, you know.

If there's so much shit for a lot of people to work through, you know, some people's contempt for the icky parts of capitalism, make it to where they like, what, the state poor as like that's some sort of flex, which it's not a flex by the way, poverty is as capitalistic as great, you know. So yeah, I, this is, I could do this. I mean, I could talk about this subject, okay. But this actually does bring me to what I wanted to have a conversation. Do you believe in they? Do you believe in the big they? Do you believe in the parasitic alien they? Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, my biggest investigation, which is not brought about consciously or willingly, was this DMT ketamine nitrous acid cratum weed trip I had, which is I don't recommend, I don't recommend that combo for anyone who's wondering, it literally just spins you off into like infinite, whatever that is.

And I came into contact with what I experienced is very parasitic, they other energy. And like very real and like palpable and visceral and like feeling and like it, but there is no other way. And it was the most detached I have felt from myself ever. It like truly the most terrified I've ever, and it took me a good, you know, in real time 10, 15 minutes to like fully get back. And it was really disorienting and it was not fun. And it took me, I would say about a week or two to like really get a hold of what to take away from that experience. And I think, I think there is other, I think there is day.

I think that exists because that's how we navigate the world in a dualistic or any type of dualistic world or multiverse or universe. But that exists. But I do think it ultimately only exists relatively and not actually. I do think these are reflections and projections of maybe not our own personal consciousness and you're just as conscious as Noah's consciousness, but the collective. So we may not recognize what we're experiencing. And it may not be something we're resonating with at all. And it can be completely dissonant and just incongruous with our being and our energy. But I don't think it's fundamentally separate from who we are.

And that's a really big lesson. I think everyone has to deal with in life because it's very easy. The tendency to demonize or otherize or blame and it can be objectively justified. Like that makes a lot of sense to do. Oh yeah, a person's being a dick to you. Like what a dick. But I do think those situations and kind of like energetic relationships come up so we can deal with some distortion of our own perception is probably the best way I would put it. But from like a practical standpoint, as long as you don't get too caught up in like the day situation, I mean, I do think it's real. I mean, I think that's like something that exists.

And I think we know, we all know people in life who we would say are parasitic or are leeches or who don't really have good intentions to be like, you know, working in harmony with others. That's the thing we've experienced. But I don't know that that defines that person or energy. Like forever as that, it could be a state they're moving through. So it's hard to kind of like pin down this day or other. But I don't want to be too like, oh, it's all you. It's all you. I do believe that. Like, yeah, I mean, like take that like be discerning about when to apply that in life or like in metaphysical situations.

Like I don't think the right approach for me when I'm encountering these parasitic entities would be to go up and be like, hey, I'm your friend. Like let's be friends. You want to hang out and like, yeah, like all you can be, I'll let you be a parasite on me. Like we'll do it together. Like I just don't feel intuitively that that's the right approach in that. Nor do I think like blaming and demonizing and being, but I can tell you this. I mean, like it was enough of experience that I have no desire. At granted, I did do D&T like two hours later just to see if it happened again. And it did. But I don't have any desire to like do D&T for a while.

I mean, I have barely done ketamine since then. Truthfully, I've made it down to like one or two times.

You could knock you in a surprise.

Skid straight. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'll still have fun with plenty of things, but like get knocked out into this associated trip world. Like, I mean, it really was. I just wasn't expecting it either. It's like all the stuff, all the bad, bad trips or like intense trips. Like you just are not expecting it. Like you feel like you have some handle. And I deserved it. I was so my level of hubris and cockiness. I was like, this is the situation. I was like, I was with friends, we were in my studio. And I was like, all right, let's, we're making a song. I'm like, all right, here's the deal, guys.

I'm gonna go in and to DMT world and get some cool music and bring it back for us. So let me just rip this DMT by it. (laughing)

Oh, that's right. And you said you were being a parasite.

I think that's what it was. I think that's what it was reflecting back to me. But it did very much feel like all the, it wasn't like that was like what I was being shown. I just made that connection later that that's kind of what my vibe was going in to a realm that I had little understanding or respect for. And kind of that served that back, but in a way that felt very, it didn't feel satisfying to just like land on like, yeah, there are these parasites and they were trying to infect my being. Like it just, they didn't like, I would have believed that if I was able to, but over time it just like felt less satisfying to believe that narrative.

But yeah, what's your take on this stuff? I would love to hear this. So the thing that, like I said, I actually do consume, not I consume, sorry, not the right word, but I've lost space for conspiracy theories and stuff like this. I never talk about it publicly because, I think as people are waking up and coming out of their kind of more micro external enemy narratives, there is a real temptation to then attach to conspiracy theories. There is, there's almost always going to be, oh my God, I've been lied to phase of your awakening, but it very easily becomes disempowering. So it's just, it's something where I already went through that phase, I luckily did not have a microphone when I was going to that phase.

Yeah, exactly.

To foil hat level, just freaking out about the reptilians and everything else. And so the they was the reptilians for a long time, even though I then found out I was a hybrid of that. And that should have been right there, there it is, everything you are projecting onto you are, right? And then, I don't know, around 2019 I started, then it was narcissist, you know, and then it's the elite and then it's the rich, it's the whatever. And I am at the same time, even when I am taking like a us versus them stance, I'm annoyingly objective. I'm like, can not stop myself from helping. Or like putting myself in other people's shoes.

And almost all human conflict is misunderstanding. It's person A is has these wounds, has these triggers and person B triggered those things. And now they're having two totally different experiences. And then once they've triggered each other, they go out of their way to hurt the other person 'cause they think hurting the other person is going to get that person to apologize. And it's all like, you know. It's all scale that's on the big scale. And you have the, I don't like to call them elite 'cause how ridiculous, but the 1%, whatever the fuck, they're so separate from our reality because it's generated no wealth, that they have no idea.

And so the same lies that we've been fed our whole life about, you know, you're lazy and you don't try if you don't, whatever, like they've been fed. And those, that narrative helps them sleep at night. And like, nobody can really deal with the idea that they are complicit or that they are the bad guy. That is big, big work. That takes a lot of healing to get to a place where you go, I visited suffering on somebody else. That's not something that comes natural to any of us. And it's easier to believe that it's the other person's problem. And we've all been guilty of this. So when we're talking about the day, some people think it's the red team, other people think it's the blue team, other think it's the government, other people think it's a corporate.

And it is, but it's also all of us. And in the last couple of years, what we've all learned, hopefully, is that we are all shitbags. We are all awful to each other, have been awful to each other. I mean, this is what I have learned in the last few years. It's like, wow, so many scenarios in which I thought I was the victim. You know what I mean? It was me. It was my codependency. You know, it was my entitlement. It was my thinking that you not showing up to a thing had to do with you disrespecting me when in reality, I'm just not holding space for the fact that you have depression, you know, over and over and over again, areas in which I felt guilty about what I did.

And so I needed to villainize someone else. And also two truths can be good, right at the same time. So like, you hurt me, I hurt you, where both just hurt, you know, whatever. And so who is the they, right? Who is the they, is there is obviously some sort of parasitic influence. And by parasitic, I mean, something is feeding off of us. When you drive through neighborhoods and all the houses look the same and the people are working jobs that they hate and all of their life is built around survival and nobody's asking any questions. This is the stuff that was so dystopian to me at like seven years old.

I was like, what are we doing here? It totally looks like people are batteries. Who are they batteries for? What is the parasitic influence? And so through a series of downloads that maybe I'll get into.

Yeah.

The question is, so there's a parasitic influence for sure. We are all though playing parasite to each other and all convinced that somebody else is the parasite. But when people say they, they are this agenda, they are this agenda. When I read the energy of it, it's a million tiny agendas that somehow are playing into a bigger agenda, but I don't think they know they're doing it. So what is that? Is the parasitic alien, 'cause I do believe there is a parasitic alien influence that has probably played, it's probably been very helpful for us, but while we've been unconscious, it has benefited from the lush or the whatever you wanna call it, our energy, right?

And as we're waking up, we become aware of the parasites. I don't think it's the end of the world. And I think it's consensual, and we will realize we've given consent on accident. But so the question is, are those parasites embodied? That's a question. And what if, this is wild, and I haven't even said this one thing in my own chat yet, I'm a little bit on Patreon. What if actual parasites, physical parasites are the physical embodiment of the parasitic alien race, whatever? And the reason that we are all parasitic to each other, yet also perceives that the parasites are coming from each other, is because we all have the parasites inside of us.

It makes a lot of sense. Like if you think about it, it also is like the reflection of the immaterial and material. Like there's always gonna be that connection. So you would expect to find the macro and the micro and the non-corporial in the corporeal. So like that part to me checks all the boxes. I've been thinking a lot recently about like health and like not specifically bacteria or viruses, but just parasites, like just like what can go wrong in a functioning system, right? Because I do believe ultimately what causes disease, diseases are emotions. There's a huge relationship between trauma or unresolved trauma or resentment or guilt or whatever these kind of depressing or negative quote unquote emotions are and illness.

You see this a lot. I mean, you can also see this in people who lead completely unhealthy physical, what they consume is gross, they're smokers or whatever, but they're like, they live. They live to like their fucking 90s and like, it's like, what the fuck is going on? And then you see the person who juices constantly jogs and they dive a heart attack at like 40. You know what I mean? Like there's all of these, there's enough evidence to point that like, there's a relationship between our psychosomatic, emotional, spiritual senses and our physical wellbeing. I think we understand so little about par...

Like this is something that I learned just going and traveling a little bit internationally. In other countries, like they'll look to parasites as like a vector of disease or something that's wrong with you like pretty early on in a diagnostic thing. Like they'll just be like, oh yeah, it might be a parasite. Here's like, you know, a thing that we're knocking out. In this country, you basically have to beg someone to take a stool sample, to search for like a very generic wrote list of parasites. It's basically not done as like a thing. You have to go to like an infectious disease expert to really like get to like the bottom of a lot of this.

I know because I have family members who I had to go through this. So it's like, there's clearly a blind spot in Western society related to physical parasites. Like just like not paying attention to like what's going on. We do know enough that like our gut biome influences our brain. It influences our moods, our emotions, our actions. So we could say in the sense that like there are aspects of our own body that kind of serve as like the leader that we don't think of as the leader. So energetically, it makes sense to me that there would be like a relationship between what is like, like we don't know at all what's in our bodies, like you and I, like we just don't know.

We don't think about it. Like I try to eat healthy, I try to eat organically. I didn't even know this the other day. Until I saw it is like organic food. This was blowing my mind. Like when you buy, I buy organic food. I like to buy organic 'cause I don't want pesticides in my shit. Okay, first of all, organic in this country, all it means is they don't put pesticides in the soil. They put them on the plant, they put them on the vegetables, the fruits, everything. They're still sprayed on all this stuff. So you actually have to like vinegar water soak all of your shit because they put, there's no like pesticide free unless you know the farm and like you think it's like this evil thing, but it's like from their standpoint, like they can't lose crops, right?

They can't lose 80% of their crops to locusts because then they go out of business. So it's like this weird.

There would be no food to eat.

Yeah, so like this is weird relationship between kind of what we're putting in our bodies, what we come into contact with. I think COVID was a big part of this. People became more aware of like, you know, how viruses can spread, which personally I'm very skeptical of all of that stuff because I do think it has to do with like our being and like where we're energetically aligned. And naturally, if you can get yourself in a state of like, let's say purification, but optimal health, you will naturally reap those rewards in like all spheres of your life spiritually, emotionally. So I know this now because like I'm in like a pretty unhealthy phase of my life.

Like a new kid, this happens whenever there's a new baby, you know, the wife is breastfeeding. She's eating, you know, like 15,000 calories a day. I'm around, I'm not breastfeeding. I'm eating the same stuff. So like, you know, this is how it goes. But like I can see how anyone could fall into the trap of just like really getting fucking sucked into a very unhealthy lifestyle. I have like certain personal like way I feel in my body or like just how my energy level is that like prevent me from like really just becoming like 500 pounds and like completely unhealthy. But like I can see how people easily get on these pads.

And like when you've just lost any connection to like your body, like your actual physical body, that's when all the other stuff is like it's so much harder to get control of your emotions if you're like not aware of what's going into your body or like why that would even have a relationship like or how much sleep you're getting or any of these basic things. So yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me that there would be like a physical component of like a parasitic influence, cosmic or otherwise. Yeah.

That's if we believe that this, and it's just a fun thought experiment 'cause who gives a shit? I don't think that means, oh, we go do a parasite cleanse and suddenly we don't have this stuff anymore.

No, I specifically don't believe that. Yeah.

Yeah.

Parasitic consciousness is what we're doing this healing work for. So the thing that's interesting about parasites, and I had to deal with a lot of this stuff 'cause I had Lyme disease for a year and a half.

Yeah.

And so you have to do so much fucking work to get these microbes and parasites and bacteria out of your body. And when you get something like Lyme, usually those ticks have like six different co-infections. This is why a lot of people can't kick it is 'cause you have to go, you have to go out the entire body to find out I had parasites at the same time. And so at one point, you know, I was like suicidal. And part of the reason I was suicidal is because it felt like it was never gonna end. I couldn't, it had affected my brain so much that I couldn't figure out how to find a doctor to fix it. And so something that's interesting that Lacey and I ended up discussing is that parasites have consciousness.

Everything has consciousness. You have a living being that is like in your brain right now and it has its own thoughts. And if I die, it still eats. Like it still functions for a bit. And if I am going after it, it's thinking about its own interests and its own interests is for me to just like stop going after it, right? Parasites also make you crave like sugar. And because the sugar helps them and it hurts your ability, it suppresses your immune system, it suppresses your ability to save yourself. So something that's interesting is that codependency, which I consider to be a parasitic consciousness, internalized capitalism is a parasitic consciousness.

A lot of these systems, right? That we are waking up to and realizing that we, the patriarchy, these things that we've realized that we've been a part of and we have inside of us and they're not benefiting us. Like believing that you need to work when you don't feel good is like not who's this for, right? So keeping things like your rundown, your body's not in a position to fight and you're craving sugar. I mean, I was dying and immobile, like I literally couldn't, I could barely walk to the kitchen, my knees were fucked and I was so messed up and I was eating Laffy Taffy's. I have not eaten candy with like high fructose corn syrup or food dye in it for a decade.

Yet for some reason I'm eating fucking Laffy Taffy's and my body almost audibly said to me, "Could you give me a fighting chance?" And I was like, I came out of a daze and was like, "What am I doing?" So it's just very interesting, the physical parasites may just be allegory, but if they are embodied, if they, the parasitic consciousness is embodied, it's a really interesting idea that it is, that it is embodied in each and every one of us. And so there's, we can't just say like, "Oh, these hundred people are them." But rather it's like a mycelium network. Like what if the parasites share at the, and they were playing us like puppets?

I mean, really if you're gonna make a movie and it's in Men in Black, remember there's the one--

Yeah, I remember.

The little one that controls the big one.

Yeah.

It's interesting. This is the kind of shit I think about during the year.

Well, I mean, it's also, I think this is also something that like, it blurs that line of what you're saying, what they is, right? Like it's all of us at that point, and it then forces us to kind of figure out a way to deal with this, you know, in a way that allows it to be us and other people, and how to like heal and get healthy through that. Also like there's, you know, parasites are really, there's a broad spectrum of parasites. There are some parasites that turn the host into a zombie, and they just completely do whatever the parasite wants. There are other parasites that actually help function in symbiosis with the body.

I mean, this is how bacteria works in us. If it was harming us, we'd call it a harmful bacteria, but if it helps us, it's a probiotic. It's something we want outside of ourselves though. It's like trying to figure out how to, I think just understanding this as like a concept is the first step, which is why it's good we're talking about it and like thinking about these things. But then also just like, how do we take the correct approach to deal with this? I do know demonizing even actual demons is rarely a route towards like success. It can be, but it's gonna teach you in like a very like, if you're gonna have to like figure this out in a roundabout way.

So yeah, I mean, it's not, the sugar thing is really interesting because I've also found like the relationship between like really intense cravings for sugar and just like really just like not cohesive mind and emotional thinking. Like it's just like there's clearly, I mean, it's nuts. You can see it just in kids. Like I was five and a three year old like it's like there you see what it does to them. It's insane. So like it's just like a, it's like a real drug. And I was very, I don't really let my kids have much sugar. I, when they're little, when they're under five, it's almost none. And people would like, and, but I would always just like distract that.

I just didn't make a big fucking deal about it and they barely ever did it existed. And you know, my parents would make a big, were your mom said we can't? And I'm like, you know, they don't know it's there. And so you guys make a big thing. But then other people would be like, I can't believe you don't let your kids have sugar. And then their kid is hanging from the ceiling fan and fucking punching windows out and stuff. And my kid was like regulated. And I'm like, the sugar's a drug. Dr. Sugar fucks them up.

Yeah, there are a lot of drugs that people just don't identify as drugs 'cause they don't have the same level of stigma. And also just truthfully because people enjoy them. That's basically like enough people enjoy them where they're just like, all right, this is all right. We're not gonna say this is a bad thing for people because we like it 'cause it tastes good.

It's fun.

It's good.

It doesn't mean hit. One thing for people trying to get off sugar 'cause I've, it's been one of my drugs of choice and most difficult drugs for me throughout my life is I have found that your body craves, whatever it has had most recently is a fuel source. So when I'm on like a sugar bender, which is nothing compared to what it used to be because I at least I'm like, I'm gonna have sugar. It has to be real sugar. It can't be sugar.

Yeah, I can sugar, yeah.

I still get on sugar benders and I'm so tuned in now to how like horrible it is as a fuel. It's just such a terrible fuel source. But my body will keep craving it if I get into like a sweet phase or I get into that irritating sweet, sweet, salty, sweet, salty, all fucking day where it's like something sweet and then--

Back and forth, yeah.

And ugh.

Yeah, I ate that shit. (laughs)

But I don't try to stop it. I find that trying to stop things is--

You fucking do.

Much more difficult than just putting something good in. So whenever my diet goes to shit, I start doing extremely green smoothies multiple times a day. So I'm talking spinach and kale and a little bit of blueberries and that's it. - So smart.

Drink it two or three times a day and your body goes, oh, good. It just completely changes what you're craving. Take some-- - No, that's what it wants.

Take it off of sugar with that, yeah.

It's really smart.

That's something like I naturally enjoy raw fruits and vegetables. It's something like I've always liked as a kid. So what I'll naturally do is if I'm like, first of all, I'll get disgusted usually. If I really go on a food bender, I went a little nuts the past couple months on Goldbelly, which is you can order all this food from New York City and California. I would nuts. So there was a retrospective period where I'm like, I don't ever wanna eat anything with like grease or butter or sugar in it again. Like I feel like I wanna puke. I'll just naturally start eating like carrots and like celery and like your body literally will start to want those things over the shit you've been eating because like it does recognize that it is a better fuel source.

It just literally is like, oh, this is better. Like you don't feel exhausted after 20 minutes and like you can't do anything 'cause you just jacked your fucking sugar levels up. So it's true. I mean, I think, I know for me at least that the second half of this year and 2023, like I'm really trying to prioritize my physical health just 'cause like, I think this is good for whatever age but I know it's like, I'm here approaching 40. Like you don't have infinite years of like treating your body like shit. It's like, there's not actually getting a little bit of a right start, my head. So I, but I do think that's like you'll be able to fuck.

I know when I was like at my spiritual peak and I don't feel too far off from it now but like really when everything was humming, I was exercising, I was eating well, I was writing, I was doing creative endeavors. Like that's the type of shit. Like you will find all of this manifestation abundant stuff. It's not to say it doesn't work. Like don't get me wrong, you could be a complete degenerate and still master the laws of the universe. It's just you'll probably feel better if you're healthy and it is just a shitload easier, just so much easier to do it like that. And you don't have to be rigid about it.

You don't have to be a weird, you know, raw vegan. I did that shit too. I did this, all the weird stuff I've done and their benefits and pros, you know, they're pros and cons to all of it but like there's a way to just like you, everyone I feel like knows internally what being healthy is. And if you're in a period where you're not being healthy, just kind of own it. I also like to do that. I like to like really lean into like being a degenerate at times. I can't recommend this for everyone because it really does require like a level of self-knowledge where you know you're not gonna go too far and like over the edge but like, oh yeah, you can push it sometimes and you'll probably burn out whatever that desire is before you find yourself in any serious trouble.

It's not always the case but I just think like most people don't have a burning desire to self-destruct. You know, there are people who are very like sadistic and like, you know, they wanna like, you know, fuck themselves up and you know, everyone else around them but like most people don't tend to operate like that. So you know, you can push the gas a little bit sometimes. Yeah, I mean, I find that in the quest to be authentic, just allowing your energy to express however it needs to express at any given time is actually the path of least resistance. I spent so many years trying to like micro manage my relationship with food and you know, because it was centered around my weight and it took me a long time to realize that like, oh, I don't actually give a shit about what my body looks like and what other people's perception of my body looks like but for some reason I have this program anyway and I'm just gonna eat what feels good.

And if I actually, because I have so many food sensitivities if I actually just eat according to what feels like good fuel I don't really work like the weight thing kind of comes and goes but I also like I said, realize I don't give a shit. That's really important, like that distinction I think took me a long time to realize too, like I don't ever wanna lose weight or get healthier or feel or be in better shape, like because I want other people to be like, wow, he's in really good shape. It's like, I just know how what makes me feel good walking around, like that's literally it. It's in my own body.

I feel good and it's not related to a beauty standard, right? Like it's really not. It's just based on like, I know what feels good to me. I know my energy levels when like I can go for like, you know, a two hour jog and feel great. Like I like feeling like that. I don't wanna feel tired and depleted. Like that's just a personal thing. It's not about like other people. I think that's important in terms of a mode bless you. Motivational thing. Yeah.

Yeah, we really fucked up a lot of shit by being so vapid in our unconsciousness that it's like, I truly wish. It would be so cool if we all had access to like our own personal energy bar. Or at least started since we don't have access to that. All had like, we're able to check in and I think we're learning this and realize that manifestation takes energy. Healing takes energy. Creating the reality that you want takes energy. Using your imagination takes energy. Socializing takes energy. All of these things take energy.

Yeah.

So when you do something, you have to ask yourself, is this giving me energy or is this going to cost me energy? And am I willing to spend this energy? And a lot of the stuff we're learning with things like codependency, part of the reason that codependency is parasitic into the void is because a lot of what we're doing is giving energy that we don't have in order to get energy that we're likely not going to get back, you know, on what? Ons dramatically reenacting childhood wounding or whatever. You know, capitalism is often giving an overabundance of your energy to something that isn't yours, that isn't truly benefiting you.

Hating other people actually takes a ton of energy. It takes so much energy to bitch about other people. Yet we're all kind of stuck in this thing where we're doing it. And then what are we doing for our set? And then we're putting shitty food on top of it. Then we're drinking 20 cups of coffee a day to try to compensate which is actually often depleting the energy.

Deppleting, yeah, totally.

Our relationship with our own, and that's why it would just be so nice and if you woke up and there was just like a screen next to your bed and just like where you're at, but we don't have that. We have to learn how to tune in and go, all right, I'm craving this. I know that this is going to give me like a 10 second high and then a crash. Here are the things I would like to accomplish today. Am I going to be able to accomplish this? I'm getting on Twitter, like Twitter for me in the last, and this was the gift of chronic illness. Was you learn the thing about the spoonful of energy? Because suddenly, 'cause I'm also a manifesting generator, I have a ton of energy, but suddenly I had a shot glass of energy.

Yeah.

You'd be like, can I spend this getting triggered on Twitter, reading people with fucking opinions that have nothing to do with me? Can I spend this nitpicking or, you know, criticizing or judging? Like, what do I want to accomplish here? And it was a gift in the end because now I have this awareness of when my energy is coming in, when it's going out, I'm far more tuned into my body going, I would like some nettle right now. Or I would like, bring juice or I would like this. And so the temptation to do these things, I don't know, it's so much less tempting and I'm 45. So it's like, we are, we are well past the days where you get to just be like, I mean, I don't, I haven't drank since my 20s, I like can't imagine what a fucking hangover would be now when I like, will pay for eating french fries.

You know, I get french fries.

Yeah, I get it.

Will float hangover?

God, I get it. I mean, I don't drink, I barely drink anymore. I just like, it's not worth that trade off for me. And I don't even really get that bad of hangovers. It's just like that, the energy thing is really interesting 'cause like, they're really, we all kind of like know what those things are, but to actually like visually be able to see it would be very helpful. It also would tap into like the gamified nonsense that is my brain. Like if I could like max out my energy as like a gamified way, I'd be like, I'll do that. But it's, yeah, I mean, unfortunately we don't get that, right? We kind of get told and understand these like general ideas of being healthy, but then we fall into these patterns that aren't healthy or the way we want to be.

I think the critical thing in that moment, the one thing that's really helped me a lot 'cause I've moved in and out of these states pretty easily and fluidly is like, just don't get bogged down. Don't get to the point where you're like, this is who I am. Like this is just, I'm the type of person who is unhealthy on the type of person who will never be healthy or who like, I just can't beat my addiction to sugar or whatever.

Yeah, don't build a personality around an experience.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And that can be hard to do when it feels like your entire life, but I like also what you said about the, when you don't have like, this is the classic thing that people learn when they have kids, is like your time and like allotment for bullshit that doesn't involve your children shrinks to pretty much nothing. Like the drama or like someone being mad at you about something who's like a friend, it's like guys, like I don't have time to care about this. I'm sorry, I'm not being rude, but like, there's these kids who are like literally depending on their survival for me. So I'm gonna prioritize that.

It's like the less time, there is a benefit that the less time and kind of energy you have, the more you learn to appreciate and spend it. Hopefully, you know, well, I mean, I hope, I mean, what do you think as we wrap this up, like what are you expecting the rest of 2022? What do you feel like kind of the long view of the energy of what's going on in whatever weird dimension we're moving through right now? Like what do you, what's your general vibe about what's going on?

My understanding is that the old game is ending and that ending can be as brutal or kind of smooth as we want it to. It really truly is dependent upon how quickly we heal as individuals. We are one. So your enemies are a part of you, the entire, the systems, the structures, everything, we are all collectively in it. If we are individually healing, then we are changing the way that this thing turns out. Because we will eventually hit some sort of critical mass and it'll change almost overnight. And so we have a real potential to get there before 2024. The amount of people, kind of because the content I put out that I come across that are, I have recently talked to like a sports bro who said he was just driving down the street and was suddenly awake like that.

So that to me is a very good indicator that we are hitting critical mats of the awakening. I think there's gonna be, there's a lot of things to attach to in the realm of fear. There's a lot of stories, there's gonna be a lot of collapsing that you can choose to be a part of. And yeah, I think it's gonna be a wild couple of years. I think until we get to the nodal thing, until we get like to almost to 2024. Yeah, I, my downloads are like, remember the game Frogger? You're just like,

Yeah, of course.

Look across the street, that's what it feels like. And that sort of feels like every time I leave my house, there's accidents where there's-

It really does.

Talk to people, there's zombies. You know, people are in it, everyone's in their own fucking thing. And just like in the movie Inception, where when you realize it, I don't know, this might not be right. But remember in Inception, where everything starts to fold in on itself? That's essentially what's happening is everyone's waking up out of this dream, therefore the stream goes (mumbles) And so it's very much heal your shit, heal your shit, heal your shit. It's you, it's you. You're the only thing you can fucking change. You're the only thing you could do anything about, except the things you cannot change, change the things you can, heal your shit, heal your shit, heal your shit.

And that is the greatest contribution you can make to this collective awakening is to heal your own shit.

It's really not much else to say after that. It's true though, that is the core message of everything that I think anyone who is talking about any of this stuff is trying to communicate because that's the only way you see out there get better is if you fix the inn there. And I know that sounds hokey. It kind of sound like a, you know, defeatist way of looking at things, but like it, there's an immense amount of power when you actually do start healing yourself and you don't have to do everything all at once, but just start making those inroads towards what you can do. And you'll be surprised how some of this shit can click together.

I do think like, yeah, 2024, I'm hoping, I'm hoping we're on the other side of, I do think, I do have a feeling and an intuition that we're gonna get like a solid period of time where it's just like fun, creative. Like, whoa, that was crazy, but at least we're doing like, we're in somewhat of a groove now. Not to say everything is gonna be like perfect or utopian, but I do feel that eventually pipes in. I don't know when though.

Yeah, well, I, so the downloads I got were the life and death, life and death. The people who know how to die are gonna learn how to live. The people who are afraid of deaths are gonna have to reconcile their fear of death. And I already know the death happening. And then the pictures that I got were like two people like falling in love while like the world was on fire behind them or like someone like sculpt, like making beautiful art. So I think that that's really what the next year and a half is is really like kind of choose your adventure. That's not to say bad things don't happen. So anybody listening to this that follows me knows that I, you know, I during a miscarriage a couple of months ago, I mean, it really truly is like keeping your hand open and going, okay, you know, reality is not real.

I'm definitely about to die, but today, you know, so.

It wouldn't be for another wise, if we didn't have the absolute clusterfucks of chaos. And because then the stakes wouldn't seem as high. I get it. I get it. Jesse, you're the best. Thanks for coming on. Where can people find you? I know your Patreon's rocking. What else should people be? You can find me on, if you go to jessery.com, you can find me on Patreon. I occasionally open up personal sessions. If you can wait a minute to put this out, which doesn't sound like that, it'll be a problem since you know it. I made an abundance course that is $222. It's five weeks, it's a lot of homework. It's very intensive.

It will, it's more than five weeks. Sorry, it's five modules. It's gonna take you a long time. It's intense. It's based on stuff I've said on podcasts, but it's much more intense than that. I'm in the process of, I gotta edit a couple things on it first, but then I'm in the process of making it easier to get for people who are, you know, it's not lost on me, that charging money for an abundance course. So there are different payment options. And then when I get this all finished on the thing, there is an option for you to just get it for free and pay me if it works for you. But that's not up yet.

So I can just tell you when that's up. And then, and then that's it, jessahread.com. And then, yeah, the Patreon's where I spend most of my time.

Cool, yeah, unlike mine, which you really should not be doing. Any circumstances.

Most of my time at the end of the month, I should say, I, for some reason, can not get anything out in the first two weeks.

Well, you know, then you feel the crunch at the end, and then you kindly remind everyone to leave.

Hey, hey, baby.

Yeah, cool, awesome. Jessah, you're the best.

Thank you so much. This is fun.

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