Ramin Returns

Welcome to Synchronicity, my guest this week is Romine Nazer, you know him, I don't have to introduce him. Does my artwork, he does all the art stuff on Instagram, all the links are there, you don't know him, what the fuck are you doing, why are you listening to this podcast for? Romine's the coolest, we talk about all the stuff as always, we try to be as inflammatory as possible, just make people upset, make them angry at our loose perspectives on reality and beyond, there's a lot of cool shit in here, you're gonna love it, I don't need to hype it up, it's already recorded, it's one of these ones where I say it's gonna be a great episode, so it's already recorded, I know it's great, you're gonna enjoy it.

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Well, we're not doing video, maybe I could do the video as a bonus, I don't know if it records. No, you're wrong, I just want to keep that in mind so that if I'm, if I'm showing something, then I'm. You look great though, you're looking great. Oh, thanks, you too. Pandemic, pandemic great vibes, I feel like a lot of people I'm saying actually look pretty good, because I think, I don't know, maybe it's just my little bubble, but people seem to be pretty happy for the most part. I feel like people have settled into their kind of like, all right, this is what it is, you know, it's worse out there somewhere and out their world, but I don't know, people I don't know.

Apocalypse fatigue, you know, it's like, how much can you, how much can you care for a year? I mean, they're not going to send the stimulus checks, they're not going to really change anything. Huh? I just mapped it out though. I was just talking about this. My friend, the PPP. Did you do the PPP last time? The payment pay check protection plan? I don't even know what that is. No. Do you have a business? Yes. Are you your own business? You have like an LLC? Yes. Single. What is it? Single proprietor LLC? You're yourself. Yeah. Okay. So you're self employed through your LLC. Okay. So sole proprietor.

Right. Okay. You can still do this because you don't actually have to say yourself employed through that LLC. They did this thing called PPP loans last time. I was like one of the first person to get them and get it forgiven. They just give you money. Cool. They're just like, hey, they're just like, hey, are you impacted by COVID? Is your business unable to afford the cost of paying you? And you go, yeah, totally. Like I can't pay myself what I pay myself a lot of money and now I can't. And they go, okay, well, guess what? Here's the deal. We're going to give you this money. And then you just have to prove that you spend it on you, your employee.

And at the end, we're going to say, you don't owe us that money. And I was like, all right, this sounds fucking insane. So I applied. They gave it to me. They gave it the money on a 420, 20 grand. I got it forgiven like a month ago. They're doing a second round right now for people who didn't get it or people who got it. You had 20 grand forgiven. Literally. Like, I can show you. Oh, that's crazy. I mean, it's tempting, but I'm also afraid of it because it's what if I missed the day where they're like, yeah, we're not forgiving those anymore. And we see that you're selling this much through this site and I'd rather not test.

I have not huge trauma, but I have like mini trauma surrounding credit card debt and missing the payment and then taking everything out of my bank account and it was this whole financial collapse thing. So now I'm like, Oh, the only thing I'll say is if you can imagine that they actually are giving free money and also imagine that someone you know, this actually happened for and wasn't like, dude, it was like, I'm like a very minimum effort type of person in terms of like all this stuff. It really, it really is amazing. It works. Like there's a bunch of people on my Discord server who are going to do it this time around.

Just just saying it's an option and I find it to be super on point where the government is literally just giving people money. Oh, yeah. This is like the new, I mean, it's like almost a mini Bitcoin, but like, you know, you've got your, your evangelizing ketamine or Bitcoin or now we've got the PPPs, but they're all great record and money, free money, drugs, you got to become polyamorous and then be like Duncan and like always be like, you got to try it, man. It's the most beautiful, loving, connecting experience you'll ever have. That's such a good impression. Holy shit, yeah, yeah, I mean, polyamory.

That's a thing. God love them. Yeah. I wonder how that's work. I don't think it's working out much in the pandemic. There's probably less poly going around, at least less than there would be. And then we're going to have a huge explosion of it in like 20, 24, no pun intended. Sean and Cass keeping the dream alive. I'll tell you during the pandemic. Oh, they're like, they're constantly threesomeing them. I don't think they can probably not do anything but threesome, right? I'm just kidding. Of course. Yeah, their baseline is three and they go up to like five or seven. I love them so much. They had a little holiday on 111 where they take acid and burn their fears, which I thought was really sweet.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Isn't that cool? I miss them so much. I need to reach out and see if they can do another podcast or just zoom hang because I mean, there's nobody like those two. There really isn't. There really, really isn't. And there's nothing like their apartment either. It's a weird vortex if you can ever make it there. It's like a weird kind of like lobby, interdimensional lobby, like where just fucking crazy things happen. I bet I was supposed to come to New York before the pandemic hit. I was supposed to do a workshop at Cosm, the chapel of sacred. Oh, let's get right down here. Right?

Yeah. And it was going to be a whole thing. I wanted to like visit you and Mike Kaplan and Sean and Cass and like do stand up and stuff. And it was like this whole thing. And then now it's like, oh, maybe I'll do it in 2028. I keep pushing the gate farther back. Like some, you're the last podcast you were talking to Bill, I don't know, Bill something. And yeah, he's like, I don't want to stay cooped up for the next six months. And I'm just laughing at him. Like, oh, he thinks it's going to be over in six months. That's so funny. I mean, I wonder what this looks like as time goes on. My relationship to it has been pretty like I'm not going to buy into this.

I'm going to not be like an asshole and go around with no mask and like say, well, you think virus, but like I also internally, I'm like, I don't think this is going to affect my life. I'm taking all the necessary precautions, whatever people are saying it needs to be. And it seems to be okay, like I don't know like exactly how this works. There was a little girl who got it at my at UI school, my oldest son, and she was the only one. No one else got it. Oh, it's weird to have kids get it. Yeah. No one else though. Like we have family. No one. Everyone got tested. And it's like, what the fuck? Like, what is I don't even know what that means.

Like medically or scientifically to me, I don't know. Maybe we are prayer eradicated, I'd be like, I'm not accepting this in my reality. Is that why it's not there? Like, I don't know how this show works. Yeah. I think you just cast some kind of protection shield around Eli and the other kids benefited from it, except for that one kid that's probably coming from a different negative background. Who knows? Fine. I mean, I don't ever like to think of it exactly like that. But sometimes I do have those thoughts. But also like, ultimately, I would like to my relationship, at least to the virus. And I know people are getting it is like, I firmly and confidently believe and I don't think I'm going to be one of those people who's like, oh, my death bed be like, I was wrong.

But I just like, I don't think this is going to be like a devastating impact for me. I kind of look at it like the presidential stuff or like storming the Capitol. It's like, yeah, there's people out there. They're totally doing that. And it's affecting them. And they're really like enraged and upset. But at the end of the day, like, it's not, I don't even know how to relate to that. That's like a totally different world that doesn't impact. And I think that bothers a large enough group of people who are like, well, you see that until you get it. That's just a cavalier attitude. But I also just, I do believe that.

I really do believe it. In what way are you at risk, I mean, because you said you're not going to be an anti-mask person or something, but do you still travel a lot? Do you still go to the handshake festival or whatever? I go to the handshake festival every Thursday, as you know, they have them around the country. They're fucking amazing. You spit in your hand and you shake people. It's amazing. That's not your hand. Yeah. Yes, it is. Shake it. That's the different one. That's on Fridays. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm not like super risky, but I went to Turkey in the middle of a pandemic for two and a half months and I flew, you know, like internationally and back and forth and like, that's pretty risky.

If you look at the things that one could do during a global pandemic and it was fine. And I know people have gotten this. I know people who's in their family have gotten it, but like, they're fine. They're okay. They're they live, you know what I mean, like they they're good. And to me, that seems to be what happens the vast majority of times, it doesn't mean we take it not seriously, but I do have to believe that kind of the resonant field we put out with what we believe reality to be. It's not like it doesn't work for some of the things. It's not like it works for up to everything except the virus.

So for me to kind of like engage with it dualistically like that as like a totally separate thing from my consciousness or awareness, that doesn't make sense. And I think that's what a lot of people kind of subtly know internally, but that can be like expressed or work like, I don't need to take no mask. Like, Jesus protects me. It's like, yeah, totally. Jesus being your consciousness and firm belief, you're not actually going to get it. If you have like a subtle subconscious thing where you're fearful, you're going to get it. You're going to get that shit. It's like some guy protecting you from it.

So yeah, that's my yeah, that's what I hold inside myself. But I can never, I mean, you can, you can do it. And I guess I can do it somewhat too, because we're in this little, little genre of, you know, we think the universe is a hologram and our imagination controls the whole thing, which it totally does. Like the competitors are selling is stupid. But I think when it, when it becomes about like trying to convince other people of this, then it's like, oh, I don't even want to touch the convincing other people of it. Because I don't even know what a virus is. I think we've talked about this before, but you know, it's a little ball with suction cups on it.

And then it goes in there and then it does stuff to your, I don't, I have a body and I don't know what most of it does. I can't even draw most of the parts of it accurately. I don't know almost what anything does. And furthermore, I'm grossed out by most of it, like, if you cut open, even body, it's disgusting. Isn't it? I don't want to know about it. Yeah. That people, there's people that go to school for it and want to, they get up early every morning to go cut bodies open. It blows my fucking mind. Yeah, I'd still have a hernia if there wasn't people like that. Like, I needed someone that cared about that to cut or like put a little incision and then go fix the hernia and then come back out.

Don't even remember their name. What was their name? Doctor something or other? Whatever. Thank God. You had that dream to cut someone open and I'll be grossed out by it. Yeah. Fuck, dude. So yeah, I mean, no, I haven't been on that many journeys, but what have you been doing? I mean, we spoke not too long in June or July maybe. I think it was during the major George Floyd protest, maybe it was after the George Floyd Trump. You did some Trump stuff. I remember there was some pushback from some people. Oh, was there? Well, it was around election time. Yeah. I think you had like a summer of, because you used to hate Trump and Jordan Peterson and then you went, not the opposite, but you were like, no, actually, I like Trump not as a person.

You said, I like Trump is that he calls out like he's, he triggers your, your fear and it's like a good reflection of what you're afraid of and it's such a cartoon that like dissolves reality. You had like all these justifications for it and he's, you know, funny. He has this cartoon character and all, you know, threats of violence aside or whatever the, the things were. Yeah. There was that. And now it's in a different space. I was having this thought about how if you don't like the way reality is, if you just wait a week, the narrative will flip. It'll like go opposite like cops or villains in June.

And now it's like these police are heroes. This is officer, so and so is a black police officer who saved the capital from demise. And it's kind of funny that we've got like the people like posting pictures of these hero cops. Like, wait, I thought you wanted to kill all the cops, like three months ago, but I just go along with it. I'm not like, I used to, I used to have to have this stance of like when some piece of news is presented to me, I have to be like, but what's really going on? What's really happening here? What do they benefit from having this narrative? Now I'm just agreeable. I'm like, Oh, it's, it's terrible that they, that they stormed the Capitol.

We have to do something about this. You have to do something about racial injustice. And we have to do something about our LGBTQ families in our lesson. And I just, I like to just be agreeable. I'm just a boy. Yeah. You're a good boy. You're just agreeing with that. I mean, either direction, if you don't take it, well, you're talking about should be like a reminder that this is a joke. If you wait a week, you're going to be on opposite side of the fence related to some issue. If you take like a firm emotional issue that you're not directly connected to. Most of what we do is we, we don't catch it, but we create these like avatars or people in our mind who are doing these things.

And maybe if we're lucky, we get pictures of them at like the Capitol or something like see, that's one of them. That's one of those people who does those things and it's like, Oh shit. So we crystallize them at least in that way. That's like, why would you, why do you want to take the time to do that? Like you don't, you have to go through the effort, even if it's very quick and you don't notice it, you're literally constructing a world, which you then have to engage with. It's all an internal process. For me, as much as this is like, and we all have our, our weak spots. We all have like, you know, the points in our life where we get caught up in the ship.

But the more you can kind of remember to zoom out and just be a little more kind of accepting and patient with people playing out, whatever they need to play out to do their stuff, it seems to be a more pleasant ride. I say this as someone who got in like a very big fight with my mom, you know, like just like the thing that I can't mention on air, but I was just like, fucking, I was like, why is she like this? And then like over the course of 12 to 24 hours, I was like, fuck, fuck. It's me too. Like, that's my shit. If I'm getting mad at it, that means there's something in me, like, you know, you have to come to terms with all this stuff and all these things in our lives.

I just feel like at least the distant political ones that we're talking about. And I think this was like, why am I like a pegged as a Trump guy for a little bit? It's like, it's so like, I don't have time to really be upset about those things. You know, like I just, it's not even like a calculated decision. It's just like, I can't do that. And I know that's easier said than done for some people. We have our tendencies and our habits, but the more we can remember that, I think it's like easier this shit gets and then, you know, you can do what you want to do. Yeah. And that's, that's interesting that you even can't talk about the fight.

Like if it's you that can't talk about it, that's a big one because like you'll talk about a tick biting your dick and like anything. I can't talk about it for the fight is about the reason I can't even talk about it. It's just something I can't publicly disclose because I don't want to like hurt people's feelings and, you know, privately people know about this and, you know, because of like my mom's incessant kind of like, you have to like expose this, you have to expose this. Like this is like, I don't want a relationship just to be you telling me like what I need to do. And this is what like corruption or something?

No, it's just the event that is going to take place in the future and someone doesn't know about it. And when they find out about it, they probably won't be the happiest person in the world. And you know, I have basically the power to tell that person. Oh, this is a personal thing, not a news thing. It's a personal thing. Yes. Nothing to do with news. The reason I bring it up is for personal stuff is like that's where a lot of it sneaks in. Like for me, it's super easy to be detached from like external events, like for the most part, like I'll maybe get riled up in the moment if I'm reading an article, be like, how dare they?

How fucking dare they? And then I'll be like, all right. I don't really give shit. But for personal things, like that's the shit that'll cling to me for like, you know, 24 hours seems to be the limit now. And I'll just be like, oh, yeah, how dare you? How fucking dare you? Oh, you're like this. So like we all have the shit to work with no matter what it is in our lives. It's just like, I feel like the more we remember that and can zoom out, we can at least choose the things or the habits or the areas that we want to like work through stuff. Like, you know, to me, that at least seems like a productive way of approaching this.

We're, we're all now for the most part, our patterns have been interrupted for what? Like a year? Yeah. Yeah. Almost a year in March, right? That's kind of when the shit hit the fan. Actually, and I think Wuhan had it earlier. So like if we're judging by when Corona first made its appearance and it was like at the level of seriousness of SARS or another type of bird flu, which never became a global lockdown pandemic, it's been, it's been a year now. That's pretty wild. Yeah. We've gone through so many eras, just in, I mean, I know some people have traveled, but to me, it's like all of this took place in my apartment through screens.

Well, I saw you like a year ago, I think, right? I was in LA December, I think, or January, yeah, January, yeah, January, so we probably hung out right around this time, weirdly enough. And to think of all the things that have happened in between that chunk of time, it's fucking insane. Like it's a completely different, we shifted this timeline for me. I don't know about you. What's like, I've been having a great, great time. How about you? Yeah. I mean, I can't complain. I like, I do what I want, I'm lucky to have not lost a job. I just do the podcast thing and the art thing on, and I have my art store and luckily people still buy that stuff.

So I'm able to sustain myself, of course. So that's lucky. I'm also an indoor cat, not that I don't like going to hikes and the beach and stuff, but if it's like, you're locked down for the next 10 years, it's like, well, I guess I'll better catch up on all these old live, you know, Charles Mingus and John Coltrane videos and, ooh, I forgot this whole like, you know, just going down rabbit holes of carbonate. I was thinking about, you know, when we say, well, there's only 24 hours in a day. We often think of it as an output thing. It's like, well, you only have 24 hours to output the things you want to work on.

But I was thinking about it more in terms of input. You only have 24 hours of what you take in. So if you're just taking in news and you're taking in Twitter fights, then you're wasting that time that could be used on cooler programming, cooler food for your for your psyche. So I've just been changing my diet slowly to where I am. Yeah, I kind of know what's going on in the news just because I have a partner who gets stuff. And sometimes we talk about it. But other than that, I don't I don't try to do the both sides thing and figure out what reality is because that's just a control thing. I realize like, I'm trying to control reality by standing outside of it and seeing that all of the left is doing this wrong.

The right is doing this wrong. The center is negligent. And I suck and you suck and culture war suck and society it's society's fault. No, it's the media's fault. No, it's social media's fault. It's just shut up. You stupid asshole like, yeah, that's basically, I think the proper approach is just like, I don't, I don't, I don't need to like, it's too much. It's like fine. You know what I like to do when I go on my phone, I like to do a variety of things. I like to look at Twitter for very specific reasons. I'm friends with most of the people on Twitter. It's for crypto stuff and it's for funny shit.

That's basically it. I pretty much catered it to anyone who ever makes me feel like, Oh, this guy's doing that because of this. How dare they think that? Because I'm like, Holy shit, like, what am I doing? Just literally created an entire world where I like, I'm opposed to this person's perspective. I don't even know if they believe that shit, who gives a fuck? So I, I like and enjoy everything we have around us. I don't view it as kind of some sinister, diabolical, kind of like, control mechanism. I like to engage with people who are interested in that stuff because I think it's, it's like interesting.

It's like, whoa, that's, that's cool that you think that. But like, I don't invest too much time in that. The one thing that you know that I really invest in is like, we get to shape where and choose where we place our awareness and our consciousness. And that has a direct impact on typically how we feel. And if we can kind of like get control of that just a little bit and be like, Hey, maybe I'd like to play this game where these things happen, that to me feels a little more satisfying than just feeling like I'm getting against this person that have to admit it's like a constant game of like, what's the game?

Space invaders. Yeah. Faster and faster, it's like, I don't have time for that show, I won't play that game. And they look so dumb, like, I'm sure maybe they know it on some level, but the people that when a news event happens and they write just like they pretend they're the New York Times and they have this giant diatribe about, well, here's what the other side doesn't understand and why we don't need to like, you think someone's reading this and I mean, but it's also just to get it out. Here I am again, like complaining about, here they are. Here I am complaining about culture war stuff again by, but then pretending to stand outside of it.

It's like, none of us can really stand outside of it, we're always going to get a little bit of it and deep down, we just want to have that world of, you know, all holding hands in the rainbow and like, we're not going to get there by saying that peace can only be brought about through war. And then once we kill up the other side, then it'll be peace, but I mean, we do have some problems with some extremists, of course, and I think they're going to get clipped out. There's going to be like a limiter like put on an audio file where they're clipping out the hard right and the hard left where just anything in the center is going to be left like you can't be a communist and you can't be a Trump best or anything.

I feel it's going to be interesting. I don't clipping seems extreme. I don't know that that works in reality for most people, it feels there's too much of like a snap back when you clip something when you roll it off with the filter, you're just tuning it away, right there, I don't really listen to those anymore, I don't really need to do that. Oh, I want a high pass filter, those low frequency, that little rumble, I don't want to hear that anymore. It's still there. It's not going anywhere. We just can't hear it that to me really does seem like a pretty crucial kind of emerging mindset that people sooner or later do settle into.

And this is just one thing that I've really experienced over the past few months, six months, I'd say or so, like a lot of fucking personal crazy shit going on in my life is when you just relax and let go and kind of just allow the best for yourself, that's your natural state. That's what you actually want to do. The amount of energy we expend trying to space the beta or defend our reality or our beliefs or viewpoints, the harder it is to see that like that's what we're doing. But when you just let it go, you just be like, Oh yeah, shit's good. It's really good. It's not actually that bad, which can be difficult if your immediate surroundings even are like very kind of like, Holy shit, I don't like this.

This is a bad place. This is bad things are happening to me. That's why I mean, I feel like I evangelize it so much. It's kind of like a me. It's just like a character of a person at this point, but I do believe like the reason it works so well, just like imagining this stuff before you go to sleep and some impressing your subconscious mind before you go to sleep is the best I can tell and this is based on experiences I had when I was like three, four years old is when we go to sleep and I watch my one and a half year old fall asleep the other day and you know, you do that thing sometimes really well, and you like yourself up the baby was doing it and it's because you feel like you're falling backwards.

And I remember being a kid actually aware of this all the way through well past the point of a physical body where it just be like this matrix grid of light and this dark everywhere else like void lake and there just be the sound that went whoa. And I remember it like happening a lot and then at certain point, I was like freaked out by it and then it stopped. So I think what we do when we go to sleep, when we go into the void, when we know we're there, people can see us were there, but somewhere in our minds, we're in dream world astral plane who the fuck knows where we would draw into this like higher dimensional reality more expansive dimensional reality.

That's where we create everything. And we re kind of integrate our consciousness into this linear time of space time, Ramine, Noah, earth doing this stuff, but we do it so convincingly, we don't catch on to that's what's actually going on. So we go like, no, this is the place, this is where everything's happening. What are you talking about? The dream world? I don't think so. Like sometimes I do stuff there, but I'm not so sure that's a real place, but I'm pretty sure that it seems to be kind of where we actually create this place. I don't know. I can't. Yeah. And you can get to a place, you know, oftentimes on psychedelics where you're, it's so obvious that this world, this resolution is, is a Pixar world, not exactly that cartoony, but just one little tweak more cartoony.

And the other world is so much more in depth. And this one is so like smooth out. And I was watching soul, you know, everyone's talking about school and I love it. It's great. It was worth the Disney plus subscription. Totally right. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to watch a whole concert of what's her name, Deborah, Deborah Williams. It was some, you know, Dorothea, it was like, I know the saxophone lady. Yeah. There's like some twist of a Norton name you've heard, I think, yeah, we've all heard of Dorothy, but then it's like, Dorothea, ooh, that's an interesting twist. And then, yeah. And like when they're just playing clips of that, it's like, oh, I wanted to watch a whole hour of the, the, what's his name, John Batiste.

He's the guy that they even modeled his hands after the guy playing the, you know, so impressed with the bodies and the hands in that movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And great message to like, it's not about finding your one thing. It's about just kind of enjoying eating pizza and sucking your own dick or whatever. I think you'll leave that. Talking to Dick Seam was a little jarring in the movie, but I did think it conveyed the message pretty well. Yeah. And the, the soul world and the going into the big one. And it all fits in within the Pixar theory, too. You're familiar with the Pixar theory?

Oh, no, the Pixar theory is that all the movies take place on one universe and there's one timeline. And it like starts with brave that one with the bow and arrow with the red hair one. And then it, the, the future is monster zinc because they have all this teleportation technology. Cars is way in the future. And there's all these hints and like there's our long videos explaining this theory. And there's a book about it. And soul is like, oh, this just even confirmed it even more that this is like like soul number 22. They have like a thing. Yeah. Yeah. So that's fun. So yeah, I guess I've just been watching content is what it comes down to, huh?

It's like I switched my content from analyzing what's going on in the news from various comedy podcasts from the left and right. And then now I'm just watching Pixar and old. I do think there's a qualitative difference though, that a lot of the Pixar stuff, a lot of the things that like are really engaging like that, a lot of thought, attention, care, love and detail goes into those. And you can tell those, even if they're like a short little clip, you know, it's a different resonant tone. You know, there's a reason why I think a lot of people are talking about that movie and other things, you know, that feel good like that and like a substantial way is because like that hits us just a little bit differently than like someone yelling about how bad this person is, you know, like that's like, Oh yeah, I know that song.

That's not my favorite song. Like I don't really want to be a bad people are really bad. And we, it's not okay to be silent. We must speak out against the bad people and the people supporting the bad people and the people on the fence were who haven't even heard of it yet. It's very important that we chastise them and it's many that like we might, we've probably already talked about this already, but I mean, what haven't we talked about coming into this conversation? I'm like, what can I talk about that people aren't sick of because they're sick of hearing about pandemic, they're sick of culture wars, they're thick, sick of maybe not imagination talk because that's why they're.

I want to hear. I want to talk about DMT stuff because I don't know. Yes. You just did it. But I had the darkest, scariest, just like fucking threw me for a loop DMT experience with our friend Shawn and Cass, both with regular DMT. And then I smoked some changa a little bit after that granted. I was on ketamine. I was on acid with just had done some nitrous. Wait, so you got nitrous DMT acid, changa and what else? All of this in the same like day same like hour, same hour, that's wild. Is there a, I mean, keep going with that. It was about as fucking crazy. My big lesson from it was be a little more honoring of the substances you may be doing to ping yourself off into unknown dimensions of time and space and beyond.

We just take that just a scotch bit more. Yeah. Get the season, season pass just, I don't know, every month, dude, it was, I, and also was my first time smoking, like pure DMT, I'd done the changa, which is a little bit different. Yeah, dude. So I, you know, we're all making music here. We had a nice studio set up. Is that a lot? It's not a PRS behind you, it's PRS standard sun. What is it? Sunburst? No, they don't do us. Absolutely. Yeah. I love, I love Paul and I love listening to his long distance talks where he calls Steve Vi or John Mayer and they just talk about gear for an hour. Oh, good.

I'm not a gear head, but I just love this guitar so much. Like it sounds so fucking good. It's always in tune PRS is stay in tune. If you buy one, like it arrives in tune, first of all, that's true. Second of all, I have to tune up my acoustic guitar, which is actually more expensive in like a theoretically a better guitar. That thing goes out of tune all the time. That thing, the electric is never out of tune. Yeah. Cause Paul cares. Like he cares about where the wood comes from. How did you just stain it? What's the nut made of? How is it a lot? Like every little detail, it's all he thinks about.

And he has some, he has some, like what's the, the maker God, Hephaestus? Yeah. Hephaestus. Yeah. I think he's Hephaestus or something. He's one of these gods that is like a master builder and like only cares about that. And his big glasses, the Coke bottle glasses that make his eyes one time is big. He's a character. I love that guy. Okay. So you were making music, like anyone designs and a, I think we got a little delay there for a second. Yeah. Okay. So we're making music and oh, are we off sync? No. Tell me when you're hearing me. Say, I, when you say I can hear you, I can hear you. Ah, this is the way fucking, why does this always happen?

Hmm. I don't feel you delayed, but maybe it's because I'm answering second. Yeah, it is. That's exactly what it is. Well, we can save and restart or yeah, let me, let me, let me, um, let me shit. No, I don't want to do that up. Now you're gone. Okay. I'm gone. Okay. I think. Can you hear me now? Yeah. There is a delay, but I feel like I guess I can deal with that. I hate this shit. Why is this always happened? It doesn't want us to get to the actual truth truth. The ones, let's just just circle it. All right. Oh, I'm going to power through it. So basically this is what happened. So I was making music with these guys and I was like, all right, you know, I'm like a little bit of drugs.

I was like, this is really fun. We got a really good song emerging here. I'm going to go to DMT world and grab some extra shit. Let me get some extra melodies. Let me get some extra stuff there. I've never done DMT like that. I just remember my first experience was this like beautiful tunnel of light and purple awesome. They're like, oh, your dreams are coming true. And I'm like, amazing. I love it. And then so I was like, let me do that again. But this time pay attention to the music because I'm going to bring that back. That is not what happened. I took apparently they said three very large hits.

I remember kind of the second one. And then, you know, I lean back onto this cushion and here's what I can remember. I immediately regressed back through all of my like linear timeline. So like I go from my age to being like a child, I kind of got looped at various points. I think this was the ketamine because like you can get looped in these ketamine thing sometime. So I got looped at a kind of young age. I remember like three or four, then went pre-birth, then I'm gone. I don't remember anything there, literally I remember there's like this. There was this grid of yellow and pink and there were these like bendy straw type of like shapes that like curved on.

And there was the sound was like, all right, I don't remember shit after that. What I do remember after that is coming back into my body. Every time I would breathe in, everything is gone. It's black. It's a void. It goes like and the world fades back into existence. So that's pretty terrifying because it was lasting with me felt like at least a minute or two of like every in breath, everything's gone. So at that point, I'm like, at that point, I'm like, oh, I'm dead. Like this is it. This is the end of life. Like people are asking me to let go. I'm on like my ventilator or whatever the fuck it is.

But this is me being asked to let go. So I'm pretty much terrified. Then I start to like see around me and all I can remember is I see my friends who was Sean, cast their friend, Mayor, Bill and overlaid it was primarily cast God lover where all I can hear and just see her saying to me is, yeah, yeah. It's good, right? You want to get more do that money. It's not real. Yeah. There's this weird like like sound behind when she's doing it. And I start getting really freaked out. I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, where am I? What's going on? Who am I? I couldn't remember anyone's name. I didn't know if my partner's name was like, what's a real person.

So I'm like, fuck. So I think at one point, you know, I say to them out loud and I'm like up. I like stood up and I'm like, you're all vampires. And so that way, like Bill told me you thought at one point I was going to turn on and shit. So basically, you know, like they're like a little freaked out, like maybe we broke Noah because I guess at another point I was on that saying a lot. If someone says we broke Noah, that's that's it. That's a very serious claim. They were super sweet. John and Cass called me like a couple of weeks later and they're like, we just want to check in and make sure that like everything's okay because you scared them a handful at times at this point.

Really? That's my job. And they're like, they're so far out. My job is to freak them out. Yeah, one step further than what they were thinking about doing. It's just like maybe we won't take all those drugs together. But anyway, I remember I'm on my knees at one point. I'm like, what do I do? What do I do? And I remembered music and I remembered love. And so slowly I was able to like claw back with like what I felt was like love and like beauty and like harmony to like baseline rehab level reality. But Sean described it as basically he thought I pulled the rip cord, the consciousness rip cord too soon and was like back in my body before you're like, you're supposed to be.

And I was like, yeah, that sounds kind of right. But yeah, dude, it was dark. It was scary. I felt like there was this weird parasitic vampiric energy I think where I woke up and was like phasing in and out of this world and wherever I was was like a barto plane, like a hungry ghost realm. And what I was seeing overlaid on to Sean and Cass in my environment was like this hungry ghost energy. Like, yeah, more, more, we need more whatever takes getting more like because that's what it felt like. And I was like, holy shit, like I'm not familiar with this. And I think I like probably pierce through some layer of reality.

I like to think of it as a nice balancing act. Yeah, you could call it that I like that you call them. I mean, of course, you're in an altered state at this point in the story, but like you call them vampires like if you're faced with vampires, you should not let up that you're afraid and that you recognize that you should just kind of keep that to yourself and be like, okay, they're vampires. Let me pretend to go to the bathroom and then climb down the fire escape. Except that would have happened was I actually remember my thought process during this. It was going on for so long that I thought at one point like, Oh, this is just me.

Like I'm just in like this is all like my creation. So these people aren't I'm in some other place now and I'm creating them. So I'm like, Oh, they're phasing through like layers of reality. I might as well call them for what they're I remember at one point I told them I was going to drive. I was like, I'm leaving. I'm driving. They're like, we don't think that's a good idea. And I was like, yeah, I could barely stand up, but like dude, it was I did the main lesson I learned like right when I came back and I told them I love them, I was like, wow, I am really grateful and appreciative to be in this reality and resonating at whatever frequency we're resonating at to stabilize this shit because you could go anywhere.

That's one thing that taught me is like, you could live and exist and experience anything literally infinite possibilities and to have this one and have access to all this shit. That's pretty fucking cool. Yeah. And it was this was this last month or what it's probably the bottom month ago at this point. So, wow, dude, I was just like, I couldn't believe it. And then I played the I think, which is a very dangerous game that I'm glad I had, you know, my own kind of support system to not fall into like, I was close to other rising the experience. I was close to being like, okay, there are these parasitic demons.

They're literally sucking my soul. I just contacted them. I now have to be on guard for parasitic demon entities. I'm like, I have to now be worried that these things are doing this to me. And like, you know, after a couple of days of like really kind of engaging and entertaining that idea, I'm like, you know what, doesn't add up. It's like what my consciousness creates reality, except for these parasitic demons. And like, that doesn't make sense. So I recognize it as an aspect of either my psyche subconscious, like I have to have awareness of even the idea of vampires or that type of energy or whatever it is for it to even exist for me to perceive it.

So I kind of reeled it back and I was like, all right, I got to accept that even that. It's such a sleight of hand, like it'll slip right out of you and you think that you've got it under control and then you do the thing again. You think you're above it all and you're just doing the other thing, like whether it's so many psychedelic people get into that where they're like, Oh, there's entities now and they're mining their crypto on you or oh, they've installed malware on you or you've got to keep the negative vibes out with, it just always sounded like work to me. Like, can I just pretend that I turned the game off or something?

But to each their own, it's our own little stories. I guess I, for me, I just think at the end of the day, it's it that game of other rising ultimately is so dissatisfying and like not true. It's not really what's going on that like it's a game you play until you're just like, yeah, I'm done. That's why you were you were more sympathetic towards the Trump side is because that's the ultimate othering and I mean, Trump is the he was the match. He's not the gasoline. He does add more gasoline to the to the situation, but he's gonna fucking stoke some fire as well after this presidency and other things he, I mean, I I sometimes like to let my mind go to places like where he becomes kind of like a YMR Republic agitator, you know, like that the YMR Republic is what would happen after World War I in Germany.

So Germany was like the world was like, Hey, you fucked up Germany, like you can't take over the world. What are you doing? And so like you are fucked like you have to pay everyone back your infrastructure is screwed. Like we don't give a shit. So the YMR Republic was like, all right, I have a solution for this. Let's make more money. We're going to give everyone more money and this is going to be like a really good thing. It's going to make everything work well and you know, a few years after that, they're like, Hmm, this idea isn't working so well. So on the side you had Hitler and kind of this raising rising populist movement of like, look at these people.

They fucked over, you know, everything is bad. And so like, you know, he was deft and blamed that on not just the Jews, but other marginalized people and was like, they're huge or the headliner though, so they got front billing on the thing. But basically, you know, it's when things are objectively bad, it's easier for a populist to come up with a reason for why they're that way. The way you empower a populist is by saying, this guy's the worst and everyone who believes him and thinks anything he says is true are also the worst. You then create a coalition of people who even if they're not really aligned with that person are like, well, things are bad.

These people are calling us the worst, we know we're not the worst, so those people must be pretty bad too. And it just creates this dynamic. He's clearly going to create a media apparatus like after this is all said and done. And I would like to think without government oversight, he probably won't encourage people to like do dumbass things like they did like storm the Capitol, which is just not a smart thing for anyone doesn't accomplish your goal. But he does seem to be a lot of people's worst fears related to narcissism and kind of like emotional kind of detachment. He very well could. And I think if people believe enough in that, that's what we'll see.

Yeah. He doesn't encourage the bad things. He rather does it in a sneaky way, you know, when they call it the dog whistling or just the fact that he could have worded it so many better ways. But it's like the strategy he using, he's using the outrageousness, you know, staying in the headlines and stuff, it was the perfect strategy to win in 2016. And the same way that Hillary Clinton ran a campaign from 1995, it's kind of like Trump was running his 2016 shit in 2020 and 2020 had moved on from outrageousness. So it didn't really work. I mean, I know that what 70 million people voted Republican, but that's not necessarily for him.

Like some of them. Some of them just didn't like Biden or they want tax bullshit, but you could say that maybe he has like 10 to 30 million people who are like devote, like they voted for him. Like he was the driving message and of those, I'm not saying all of them are like they're all like zealots trying to storm the Capitol, but you probably have like a good million or two people who are like very devoted to his every word in the same way that someone maybe would have hung on like Rush Limbaugh's word in like the 90s or any other left. Is he still alive? Is he still doing this thing? Hills, I know he all these people get busted for pills.

Everyone ever live in that life, man. They should just become rappers. They'd be so much. It's funny that they're they're just still around and they're always doing the same thing. Like I went through a little phase where I I tuned into, I mean, what is it? I would see what Ben Shapiro thought of the current situation. I wanted to see what Tim Poole thought and and Scott Adams. And then you kind of get tired of it. And then you tune back in in six months and you're like, oh, they're still on there. They're still on their bullshit. They're like a program that I could I can easily say what they're going to say about the latest news.

It's it's very, it's so programmatic. But I get it. That's where they make their money. And I mean, Candice Owens has figured this out very well. She knows how to be the contrarian black lady that can just say the opposite and. And I think when you know, like God love him, that's why actually makes third like soul hat. That's a Tim Dillon line. God love. It really is. I loved him too, man. He's fucking he's been he's one of the best comedians of this era. He's the perfect news anchor for the apocalypse. That's what he is. He's the perfect news anchor for the Holy shit. That's exactly what he is.

And his like, I just like that if you don't understand what he's actually saying about the absurdity of everything, you just get suckered in so quickly. So just like you're going to be like this fucking God. And it's like, no, like that. You can't take this shit seriously, like you have to let people live their lives. You have to also accept that your opinion on a matter that you probably don't know that much about about myself included. Isn't that important? Yeah. Relatively speaking this shit, like, you know, you're not actually you don't care enough to go like run for political office or like figure out what it takes to create a grassroots movement to change the need like you just want to like off gas some shit.

I get it. That's fine. But don't get so bent out of shape with this stuff all the time. It's too much. People will be exhausted. I think by the end of this year, Biden will be this nice little like nicotine patch people slap on. They'll be like, all right, things are kind of normal. But I do think like there's going to be plenty of I'm fucked up to say. I like that Biden essentially ran on the premise like, I'm going to get rid of the virus. Like Trump fucked this shit up. He let a virus come in. I'm going to get rid of. He didn't have made that virus. That was very mean of them. It's like, dude, what happens like two years in?

Oh, I mean, God, oh, it's kind of did you see, I mean, speaking of Tim, I mean, we brought him up every recent episode, I think, but he had a tweet recently that was like in six months, it's in six months, talking about politics is going to be like talking about Game of Thrones, where just no one's going to listen to you and then Biden's going to die and Kamala will be president and then, you know, you can't, I mean, this isn't stuff he said. I'm just paraphrasing some of it. But like, there's still not going to be stimulus checks. They're going to say like, well, it's racist to give stimulus checks equal amount to white people and black people.

So we still have to work this out and they're rejecting it and you get $600 during this pandemic. And that's it. That to me is the weirdest thing. I also just know from doing crypto, I was, it occurred to me when I was talking to someone yesterday, how fucking crazy this is. There's exchanges that I used over the summer, Uniswap and one inch. I use them to trade just various fucking, whatever. They gave me more money, way more money just for using the exchange. They were like, here's these free tokens. They air dropped them that were worth like, respectively, like $1,500 and $1,300 at the time.

I'm like, this is, this isn't even fucking sense. Like this is, that would be where I was like, all right, I'm done. You got more stimulus from Bitcoin than from, I'm doing nothing though. It's not even like, I was like, hmm, I think this is a wise investment. I'll put my money here to make more of it. They're just like, hey, you use this shit, here's $1,500, whatever bro. I was like, it's like, all right, this is reality now. So I mean, at that point, I jump off, I do the PPP stuff. I have a friendly relationship with what I would call debt or owed money to financial institutions. I just, I can't, I know myself fundamentally to be a responsible person.

So I allow myself to do things that may appear to be kind of like reckless or more like, traditionally, like, whoa, why are you doing that? No, you're, you know, I'm money and I think you, a fundamental part of you, like, because you've said it before, like you think you deal with the energy of capitalism better than most, like, than some people gravitate towards a socialism energy and you kind of like the, the feeling of the capitalist energy, not unchecked capitalism, but you know, no, not destructive, like perverted, mutated, but like the rush of value being exchanged. And like, that's cool to me.

It's like, when you look at a cool piece of art and you're like, I love that. It's the same type of like energy exchange is just happens to be what we use to buy stuff these days. Yeah. And it'll be like that. And even if you dip, it's kind of like you're this whitewater rafter or surfer or something where it looks like you might almost bust, but as a result of that, you're kind of getting this little push from the, I don't know, some, some good physics analogy there. So we should just do things. Good analogy here. Yeah. Just put an analogy there, like just get someone you like their analogies and plug it in.

It's kind of like you, you see this in bios a lot in people's social media bio, like insert witty comment here, insert witty bio here. And then that's become its own thing that millions use. Then you just have to make fun of that. And then you're one step ahead. Right. That's the way it works. I've learned it. It's pretty good. I don't know. Who are some other comedians you're into recently not to get off topic, but I mean, you know, it's not a top like as though there's a topic. I comedians I've been listening to or watching. I mean, the last thing I watched that I love was this HBO thing. The John Wilson explains everything with John Wilson.

How to with John Wilson? Oh, I don't know. You check it out. You'll love it. And Nathan Fielder produced thing, and he just goes around New York with like a camera. And it's all adventures also, like in other places, and he's seemed like a true lunatic, like he films everything. But it's amazing. You'll love it. It's just absurd. It's kind of like how to how to with I'll take that out like Nathan Fielder, I love that Nathan for you show. I watched all of it. Yeah. And it's kind of in that vein, just like a little more kind of absurd. And dude, you'll love it. Other than that, I'm trying to think what other comedy stuff.

I don't know. What about you though? I've been I've been listening to, of course, I still tune into Tim and I recently got into history hyenas too. I think they're really funny. It's like these two they're very much like like Tim and that they're these long iron long iron no long island, wrong iron guys that, you know, talk about history, but they they say they're mostly hyena. It's called history hyenas, but they're mostly hyena. So it's mostly just being wild and they'll have Mike Rowan or or Tim Dylan will be on or Mark Norman or but they've I don't know how to describe it. I think it's just I always say it's like a cult.

Every podcast is a cult where it's got it's like people in it and you've got the language that you use and the recurring themes of it. And it's kind of fun to have little little cults like that. So that's that's a phase I'm going through right now. Who knows where I'll be in six months. I'll be like, Oh, I haven't listened to that in like four months. And I feel bad sometimes recommending shit that like keeps going because like sometimes they'll be like, do this. It's amazing. And then like six months later, I'm like, Oh, yeah, sure. I don't pay attention that anymore. I'm sorry. Yeah. Do you get people that listen to your show, which this is a good thing.

It's a good problem to have. But they're they're replying to something you said on an episode. They're listening to you four months ago and they're like, I like what you said about this, this, this. And I was thinking, I'm like, I don't even remember what I said or what you're talking about. But thanks for listening to me enough that like I have basically my standard response, which is like, yeah, that was probably really good. I don't have anything like this. It probably probably sounds good. Sounds like a smart thing to say. Just something I do. I mean, of course, and I don't remember everything I say.

I know that I believe what I say at the time. So I kind of stand, I mean, I was thinking about this the other day, like just recording shit like this and putting it out for like public domain and whatever, like you're out there, you know, you have a down day, you say some fucked up shit, you're out there. And I think there was kind of like a fearlessness you have to have if you're really going to do that. And if you just trust yourself and like believe really, like I can change my mind, I change it all the time. And I think I'm pretty clear about where I stand on most things when people ask me.

So yeah, I mean, I'm sure I've contradicted myself. Probably like a thousand. Oh, yeah. And every podcast you and I have done at least we can, you could clip parts of it that would be very bad. You could make us look very bad by clipping it out. Don't do it. Don't. There's the parts. Yeah. There's enough in this one already. This suck in the dick scene in Seoul again. One of my favorites. Very good. It was really offbeat, but yeah, man, reality, I fucking love it. I know I do get a lot of feedback on one of the episodes. I think it was the recent one where I was talking about how I think we're all dead.

People are intrigued by that, but I do believe it. I do really believe that we're dead, like what we call living is much closer to a state of death in the sense that it's a limited kind of focused frame of reality, which to me, it's like closer to actual dead or void or non-existence. And I think we could just reconstitute ourselves every night when we go to sleep or whenever we withdraw our consciousness in a given time. That's also why I think we start to go crazy if we don't get sleep. We actually start to lose connection with this place. They're like, no, you can't stay there. You got to come back.

You got to come back and pray to you. Yeah. Because why would it not be? I mean, this is total sleep scientist idiot talking. I know nothing about the science of the brain of sleep, but if it's just for rest, then how come it's not just leaving your body still for a while? Why does it have to like change the consciousness and change the where the brain is working? So no, I totally, I've always thought that the dream world was something bigger than just day residue or whatever Freud would call it. I always thought that's a bigger world that we really exist in. And then we come here and then we go back there and we come back here.

But for sure, you got to go there. You have to. You basically are compelled to one way or the other and to me, any place you have to go back to probably more real place than the place you kind of are, even if you're there a lot at a time. Just to me, isn't it funny that like we, even after all these years, like you and I still have to, I mean, we discussed it already. It's because it goes out into the world, but we still have to like watch our step a little bit. It's like, well, it's just, just to me, I think the imagination controls reality. Just but I mean, people can do what they want. You have to.

You have to do it because I think the point where you cross that line, at least where we are now, you start kind of, I think that, I don't know, I get, at least with my podcast, like, and I do these readings and I have a whole spectrum of people who have like what I would call a fully integrated experience in this reality and to the very disconnected, should we say, experience of this reality. So I take it relatively seriously, like, I don't want to like freak people out, but throwing these kind of ideas out and just like thinking about them in like a playful way can actually lead to some pretty profound states.

And I think most people have taken any amount of psychedelics will probably recognize that like when you're really getting like a deep fucking lesson, it's usually like, holy shit, like a quick realization and kind of like, oh my God, of course, type of way. And to me, that's like probably the better approach than being like me getting with like a megaphone and being like, no, you have to see our imagination creates. I don't care if you don't believe me. This is what's going on. It's like, that doesn't seem to have the same effect as just like, hey, like maybe it seems like we're having a good time.

I wonder why it seems like we're having a good time. It's a trust thing too, you know, like I think people want to see some level of consistency and people's kind of attitudes related to this stuff. I think that's probably part of the reason I do the podcast and you keep doing your art and like do the creative stuff you do is like, it does have a cumulative effect. Like when there's a resonant tone that's being put out through everything you're doing, people pick up on that shit and yeah, it's like, like meaning overtones, like, you know, in music, like how there's the note you play and then there's the note above that resonance and then there's the one above that and it goes to infinity.

So you play a C, but it also has like a G in there, whatever, whatever the pianos overtones are, I forget every instrument has its own overtones, which is why we like different instruments and not just listening to the media player play the different notes, but yeah, your intent has that has those overtones in it, I think, which is why some people can get away with being outrageous and other people can be slightly outrageous and then get called out for it. I need to push back tons of thing. And I think everyone also, that's a reflection of how they feel about themselves too. Like you see these falls from, I bet if you asked every person who had like a dramatic fall from grace or cancel culture.

There's probably a part of their mind, they're like, I'm going to get canceled or I'm worried that I might have a fall from grace. It doesn't typically just come completely out of nowhere as much as we'd like to believe that. Not saying that can't happen, but again, there has to be some awareness on some deep level might not rise to level of consciousness, but it's there. I like to kind of go to those places and be like, Oh my God, do I have like a fear of fall from grace? Let me fucking lean into that shit. Let me go like real hard into fall from grace and see if that's going to like be something I want to play out.

And then I've done it in my imagination. I'm like, no, don't think I want to do that here. Like I prefer to do. I've been like playing with this idea of nightmares and like bad dreams. I would much rather have a bad dream than experiencing it here. Like a nightmare in my dreams and wake up from it. I'll process it there. There's some horrible thing happening. I don't want to do that here. It sounds bad. This feels like really real here. I don't want to play out terrible shit happens. So I think, I don't know, we have ways of working through all this energetic stuff. And I think we do kind of teach ourselves this balancing game between physical bodies, our intellect, our emotions and like our spirit bodies.

These like these four, this idea of four beasts I'm listening to in this Joseph Murphy book. It's great. And this balance between those. Can you name the beast again? We have our physical body. We have our emotional kind of our emotions and our moods. We have our intellect kind of this analytical logical aspect of us and then our spiritual kind of this. Oh, that's in the Sadhguru book, the yoga book, but they call it like, you know, Manas Chitti Buddhist Sadhva and I don't know, Ringo, whatever. Yeah, Ringo, of course, it's got to have Ringo who's the best, keeps the beat. So yeah, like that balance between those and learning how to kind of use each of those as reflections of another, but kind of to feed this soul aspect, infuse those three other aspects with this kind of like higher stuff, whatever you want to call it.

That's the name of the game. For me, in my life, I don't think it has to be like this for everyone. It feels like it probably is, but your emotions and your feelings have such a profound effect on the other aspects of your mind that that seems to be kind of the gateway, kind of like in the tarot, it would be water. It can flow. It can also get stagnant. It can be overpowering, but like that juice, your ability to feel good, even if your senses around you are like, I'm in a nightmare world. If you can feel good, it then has this weird effect of like altering your consciousness that allows you to see that this is kind of a self creation.

And then the world literally begins to change. I'm sure there's a timeline where when we spoke in October of what 2018-19, where the pandemic didn't happen, where we're just chilling there, you know, talking about whatever. We're so soft there. Like just think about the music and art that those people make. It's probably fine. No, it's great. We're doing great everywhere. I know that. But truthfully, like we do move ourselves. This is like when I heard Jessa first talk about like timelines, who's one of the first person I heard like crystallize it in like a very clear and understandable way. Like you can move to different ones.

I was like, yeah, we're doing that literally all the time. Like this is something that I had experienced years before I was familiar with, but didn't have a name for it. I'm like, yeah, we're literally what we believe to be true on a fundamental level in aggregate is what we call reality. It's what we call life. It's we call God, source, energy, whatever it is. That's it. That's it. And so if you have the ability to recognize, realize that, and then modulate it, you're like, you're sitting in a pretty great position and it feels pretty good. It doesn't immunize you from like all pain and suffering in this dimension.

But that's not what we came here for. We didn't come here to have the experience of just being like infinitely limitless. We wouldn't be here. Like that's, I know that I figured that much out. You don't come here for that. It's not really what you're trying to do. But we do remind ourselves constantly that this is kind of like a self-programmed game or simulation or sphere of consciousness. And I don't know. I find it to be more often than not, a very beautiful, pleasing, harmonious, like amazing place. Like, so that's why I figure we hang around here. Oh, yeah. It's mostly good times. I mean, your organs are still working and you didn't break any bones.

I mean, people listening to this maybe did have organs not function or can't afford insulin or something. But I don't know, I feel like, yeah, I agree. It's mostly a good time. Are you more, are you focused on anything right now? Like, I feel like last time we hung out was you were all about music and then sometimes you're all about psycho, they'll like sometimes you're all about, is there a main focus you got right now? Yeah, I mean, I have regular life stuff that seems to kind of, you know, intrude on what my personal goals may be. I'm just family stuff, a lot of new relationships and old relationships and kids and all these things.

New relationships? Yeah, yeah. I have a partner. So wait, not the one you went to Turkey with? Yeah, same one. Same one. Oh, okay. We knew, you know, relatively new. Can I say your name? You can beep it out if that starts with D. Yeah, Denise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, produced just amazing. I guess it's impossible for me to explain all the things that she does. She's now doing live blood analysis, learning to like look at blood and determine people's health and shit. It's the coolest fucking thing. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. And it's like something I would literally never do. I don't even like getting like taking blood.

I don't even like Bloody Mary's. Oh, God. It's just tomato juice and celery and other stuff that's probably fine. I just would never order it. Um, no, but like music is like pretty much when I get like a free moment, that's pretty much what I've been gravitating towards. I, uh, it's just what I want to do. It makes me feel the best. It is really satisfying. Um, I'm trying, I'm not trying to figure, I try to not say try, um, I'm figuring out how to like finish and put stuff out in a way that feels like you're trying to not say try. That was great. Could you got two of them in there? I know. It's amazing.

It's the best. I'm great at that. Um, but yeah, putting stuff out is like a big priority for me. I think, uh, the, thing you did in the artwork for, um, was really like satisfying. Twelve and shout out to dead people. Yeah. It was just like, you know, I made these things, both of them essentially in one day and normally in the past, I'd be like, yo, you made it so fast, like you need to finish it. You need to do all this stuff to finish it. And I was like, what the fuck does that even mean? It's like they're done. Like, I don't have to go back. If I want to do something later, I can do that. And I think just having that approach that like this shit is done.

Um, and I noticed more and more musicians kind of taking that approach. Like I see it. Like they're just putting shit out. They're just like do it. Like this sounds dope. This sounds good. I told you the Michael Jackson, uh, Billy Jean story, right? Where they, they, they like, they have their first mix of it. And then they make like another 10 mixes and then they make like up to 40 something mixes and then Quincy Jones comes in and then it's like, okay, what do you got? And then eventually it's like, play me that first mix again. And they got it on the first mix and the first mix is the one we know and it was Billy Jean or bad or one of those B sounding Michael Jackson songs.

But yeah, you might, the actual version might be the one you made in 12 minutes, not when you slaved over for hours. That's been a big kind of thing for me to recognize. Um, I, I mean, I, I don't know exactly what your creative process is, but I do know you spend like time for doing creative stuff for like art and things you're doing. I have found that when I actually just like spend some time focused on this stuff, there's this point I found it so many times where I want to give up and I'm like, ah, I want to do something else. Just hang with it literally for maybe like a minute or two after that.

Some awesome shit happens in some like improbable way. So getting familiar with that kind of energy. I think, ah, like a lot of things you brought up a ton of music analogies in this one, like music is a really good reference point for what we're doing in life, right? If you think about it on a fundamental level, like what we made or made of, um, music is pretty fucking great. And I learned a lot of shit through it. Like a lot. Just push, just push a little bit more. Just like something that maybe you think isn't that good. You tweak it a little bit. You slip. You maybe make something, did something by accident.

You have an amazing thing. You let yourself go. You don't have this judgment process of like, yo, what is this? Does this sound good? Does it sound bad? And then you create something that's really fucking cool. Like that to me is like a really good metaphor for like what we're probably supposed to be doing with ourselves like most of the time. Yeah, and it's, uh, you should try to break it to like we, we like to be all precious with like, this is my song and it's a perfect three minute song about the universe and how it's all love. And like you should try changing the pitch, speed it up. If you're bored of it, like take the base out, add another drum, like whatever, like don't be afraid to break the thing and put it in your hands and just whatever, twist it up.

Exactly. That's why I smoked some DMT. Yeah, you've got, you've got one of those virtually indestructible brain, like what is it? The, the forever mop, whatever the mop that they say, it's virtually indestructible. Sham. Yeah. Sham. Well, the, the mat out. You have a sham. Well brain that cannot be. That's what everyone was saying because I, and I said afterwards, I was like, you know, this could break someone like this could actually launch them and like ruin their reality for a subsancion. You know, everyone was sharing their stories of like, yeah, we know someone, you know, this person, like they didn't come back.

I'm like, fuck. God, I won't. Years ago. Cool. Dude. You're the best. Um, what have you, what are you still focusing on your art and stuff? I. Yeah. Hold on. You're breaking up. What are you, what are you doing? I know. The universe is, we're done. Fuck. Say it one more time. Are you there? I'm here. You hear me? Mm. You're phasing back in. Okay. What if I, if I keep talking over it. Okay. You're back. You're back. I think talking helped it. If it sees that we're talking, you know, it's that sweetie wheel gets the grease. So it's like, oh, this person's talking. I better give it some bandwidth.

Why is it like? I don't know. I don't know how any of it works. Like, nobody can open up this computer and tell you exactly what's going on. You need a team of 100 people each specialized in like this, the, the transistor part and the motherboard and the RAM specialists, like no one really knows the whole thing it's doing. It's magic. You just brought it up again. I think reality doesn't like when you look directly at it sometimes. I like to really, I really do think there is some, you know, it's like these two are getting too close to the source here. We got, we have to break this shit up. It's not allowed.

Don't, don't. I really do feel like that. And I guess that's maybe why it happens. Right? Yeah. Sorry. Whoops. Oh, but where, where were we? Were we anywhere? I was saying, what are you, what are you doing? What's been your focus? Where do you focus on? Oh, I'm, I'm back in music mode. It's, it's taken me the music world brought me out of the news world a little bit because, you know, so much is going on and you want to know what's going on. And then you decide to look in multiple places. So you get a bigger picture of things that are going on, which then leads to you. You can never take all of it in.

That's the, that's the thing. And if you have a little bit of contrarianism, contrarianism inside you, then if the whole world is saying one thing, then you can't help but be like, but what about the other thing? And then you become one of these, what about people, which is its own thing. Nobody wants to be a what about person. And this is all internal, by the way, I don't comment like, what about in June or what about when the talk, what about when the Trump people were violent back in 2016? What about the torch bearing Charleston people and the fine people like, you know, there's so much. People do that.

People can do that. People literally do the what about thing they said, what, what about yeah. So then I eventually was like, you know what, none of this is making me happy, like listening to the whatever listening to the center or the left or the right or the comedy people taking in the news. None of this makes me happy anymore. And I'm just going to like, I've always wanted to get into Charles Mingus, like I wanted to hear what this guy's about. And then you get into that and I went for months of just listening to instrumental music, not even lyrics. So then I'm living in this world of just that.

And now the other stuff doesn't even seem interesting at all. Like, you know, you hear about it sometimes and you have your reaction to it. And some days are more, more triggering than others. But I'm glad to hear music has summoned you away from those things because it does seem I just have a theory that people who may create play or around music will probably be very happy over the next five, 10, 15, 20 years. It is such an expression of typically beauty. It doesn't have to be. But of kind of like pure essence of what we are that like to either just be around it is like a very smart thing to do.

Oh, yeah. That's all I'll say. It's like trying to play music, trying to twirl drumsticks to. And there's this people can't see it because it's audio, but here's this painting. This is made by a cast greener. She painted like a cat. She painted this and then I really liked it and she said, Oh, you want it? It's yours. So I have a cast green or original sitting here in my office, but I can't help but think of the Frank quote where he says, information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth, truth is not beauty, beauty is not love, love is not music, music is the best. And then it goes into another like four minute outro thing.

But have you seen the doc, yeah, Alex winter docs, but no, no, people were telling me about it. My dad really wanted to watch it. I think we're gonna, he comes over tomorrow with the kids will probably get that for him as a treat. Cause yeah, he, I grew up listening to all this stuff, dude, fucking just it plays in a loop somewhere in my deep childhood psyche, these Zappa records just got going around and around and around. It's just literally embedded in like three year old, Oh, hell yeah, dude, I'm super happy you're doing the music thing again, though, cause it's just better. It just seems to be like a better place to place our attention.

That was an, you know, again, way of saying that, but it, it is like it feels like a smarter thing to do right now because, you know, I don't believe in linear time, the way most people do, but I do think it's kind of where we choose to place our awareness and our attention does influence and shape what we believe. So when you focus on things like music or like comedy and things like that, like that's going to affect your general disposition. So then regardless of what external circumstances come, you're going to have this kind of general disposition of like, all right, shit's pretty good. Like I think things are funny and they sound cool to me.

Like that's, it seems to be kind of a, a court thing. God bless music. Yeah. And make it for you. Don't think about your followers or your money or your status or winning a statue or collabing with, uh, tie dollar sign or whatever your, your thing is like make it sound good to you and, and feel it in you and then, then think about sharing it and putting it out or whatever. Yeah. See what happens. I mean, that, that's super true. Dude. I fucking love it. Well, you're the best. That's good talking to you. Hope we don't get in trouble for saying that we both, um, think that Mitch McConnell should stage a coup and, uh, what else he should stage a coup.

Instead of giving out stimulus checks, they should take away $2,000 a month from everyone because that's more free market. I think if the government takes the, the 2000 a month and if you don't have it, you get you in the genitals. Yeah. So there proven that COVID is a hoax invented by Hillary Clinton and, uh, John, actually, I don't think we were controversial on this one. No, we weren't. We said just maybe maybe some people on like the dead stuff. It's okay. That's what we're here. Yeah. And the, just like, you know, so people can hear whenever it is feeling more appropriate to have live events again, we should definitely all do something like when I say all of us, like all of the podcast people, all of the, the, the people we're, a, a mind pod melt, like we really should do something because I know it would be super fun and every time I've done one of those before it's fucking, we're going to all like kiss each other on the lips.

I'm going to be just going to squeeze, squeeze the ever living shit about out of each other when it's time and then we'll get sick of it again and go back into our cave. I'll talk to you soon, man. Yeah. Good being here. Thanks for having me. Peace. [Music] [Music] [Music] I hope you enjoyed that episode. Remeans the coolest. Go check him out on Instagram, his website, remeanser.com. Go pick up some of his art, his books, his cool stuff. I encourage him to get that PPP we were talking about. Also for people who are interested in the crypto or financial kind of stuff, how to create your own business, how to get loans for businesses that are forgivable.

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