Wake Up Sleepyhead with Ramin Nazer

(upbeat music) Welcome to Synchronicity, we have one of our favorite guests on today, Rameen Naser, you know him from his awesome art that he puts on Instagram, he's active all the places, you can find him, he also has a wonderful podcast, Rainbow Brain Skull, which he hasn't done in a little bit, and you know, let's encourage him to do that again. Go and check out all his stuff, like I said on Instagram, you know who he is. He's been on the show a bunch. He's probably been on the show as much as anyone else, right? Sean and Cass, him, Jessa, who else am I forgetting? Those are the big three, I guess four, if you count Sean and Cass as two people, which they are.

We have a fine episode this week, like I said with Rameen, it's pretty good. I think you're going to enjoy it. You can check out the second bonus episode dropped of Synchronicity, those are the solo casts over on Patreon, that's a five dollar tier, you get four bonus episodes a month, assuming there are four weeks. In a month, sometimes there's five. So four or five, and then there's the other tiers with the other stuff, the readings, the live streams, the music. Speaking of music, I've been releasing some, you can go check out on all of your favorite streaming platforms. I'm a Spotify fan. We had one single, which two songs on the single came out this past week. I have another two tracks coming out, and then a four track EP, and then I'm going to release another one a little bit after that. I'm just kind of getting it all out, you know.

I've had this stuff sitting on the hard drive for a long time, so I'm getting it out. You can go check all that stuff out. I like it. It's good. It's fun stuff. For a reminder, you get access to all that stuff early if you're on the Patreon, but if you just want to wait with everyone else, that's also okay. And then we have, today's, I don't want to say the last day, right? You have up until November to technically join the imagination actualization group that we're doing in November, from November 1st to November 28th. There are a few spots still open. We're going to send out the email tomorrow or today. I guess today's going to be the 25th with organizing times for the meetings.

I'm waiting till most people join so we can make sure everyone can attend at least one of the three sessions. You know, we're just kind of workshopping this beta testing. I think it's going to be pretty cool. People should like it. And then thanks to all the new TikTok followers. I have been going live every single day at a mystery time, usually in the afternoon, Eastern, where I'm giving out free readings. The other readings are obviously on the website, and if you want the tarot stuff, I'll do flash readings on Instagram sometimes. So you can check that out. That's it. That's all the business stuff. That's all the new stuff.

The dolphins lost to the Eagles because the Eagles are cheaters and the rest cheated. It was ridiculous. It was a travesty. It was a farce. Not an Eagles fan. Let's just leave it at that. The dolphins will be fine. It's probably not the worst thing that they lost this game. If you go in and you win that game on the road, everyone's going to be crowning for you. You're absolutely going to get everyone's best game. The dolphins need a little time to figure out who they are, maybe just like you and me, right? We got to figure out our identity, who we want to be in the world, how we're going to respond to adversity, all that fun stuff.

That's what they're doing, too. As go the dolphins, as go we, right? Or at least me. Anyway, I think that's it for this intro. We've wrapped up pretty much everything that needs to be wrapped up. We've solved all global issues in the world, solved our own personal problems. Everything is amazing. It will never be bad. I will say one thing about crypto because we had a little bit of a bump in the Bitcoin arena. Not the worst time to get into crypto. I know everyone. I joked on Twitter. It's two months before my non-crypto friends start asking me about Bitcoin and crypto. This is a good time to at least pay attention. You do not need to be an active trader. The practice of buying something, holding it for a period of years is not the worst thing.

There will be another bull run. Some might argue that we're in the beginning stages of it. Just pay attention. A reminder, you can find this on my link tree bio on Instagram. I did develop a crypto course with my friend Nicole, who's amazing. You can go and check that out. All I can say is this. It's good to be a little bit early when things start running up. If you get sucked in during the mania phase, we're probably more than halfway through it. The window for doing well in those asymmetric bets don't tend to be as easy to operate within. I will say this. I stated my desire to hack abundance. Then within a week, the crypto market goes insane.

If you know me, I always have some funds in the crypto market. That was fun. Nice little boost. We can't complain about that. There's fun shit going on. Like I said, 2024 is going to be a pretty good year. I'm looking forward to doing more giveaways in the Discord server. The Discord server usually pops off when crypto is booming because there's a ton of people. I think we have over a thousand people in there. They usually lurk until there's something to do and there's something to do when the prices are going up. Right? Okay, that's all I'm going to say about it. I won't annoy you. Without further ado, give a big, welcome, warm reception to one of our favorite people, Romaine Naser.

Just to preface everything I've said, I'm worse than Hitler and Trump both on the toilet at the same time. It's just a good point to establish that at the beginning of anything before anything you say. If you can just say that, then you're like, "Listen, my bases are covered. I can say whatever I want now." I'm not good. Don't project goodness onto me. Don't comb the podcast for opinions. It's trying to be funny and at least refreshing because don't you hate when you're trying to listen to something and you know that they also believe it, but they're doing so much lip service of it's like fifteen minutes of like doing the...

And just my heart goes out to all the suffering of the people and the land acknowledgments of the... It's extended thoughts and prayers. That's all it is. It's just extended. It's a different prayer. Just say thoughts and fucking prayers. We condensed it down to a meaningless tripe statement where we can just say thoughts and prayers. Please don't expound on your feelings of this situation. We don't want it. Here's the real truth and I'm sorry for people who have to hear this. When you write one of those long diatribes about Israel and Palestine, your other friends are screenshotting it and making fun of you to each other because it's ridiculous.

Oh we are? Oh damn. At least that's what I'm doing with my friends because it's like... I gotta make some friends. Just like guys, what are you fucking doing? What are you doing? Talk to a person about it by all means. Feel the way you want to feel, but just like emotional diarrying on social media. I mean I guess everyone is guilty of it at some time. I'm not holier than thou. I know in my drunken days on Twitter in like 2010 I said some wild shit. But like... Can you give me some examples? Like jokes or you mean like you were politically charged against Bush or something? So many random things. So many jokes that clearly just fell completely flat. I'm like what were you doing?

Oh we were all like just saying the most vile, like the slur filled everything on Twitter back then. Like if you search any racial slur in someone's name like 2010 AOC is like just screaming it. It's crazy. It was just like I had like 10 tweets about Italian people. I'm like what was my... Did I have a bit with Italian people? I mean what the fuck is going on? I went back and deleted a lot of this shit because I was just like I can't at any point have this thrown back in my face of who I am because like I don't know what I was thinking back then but this shit is crazy. That's great that we are relatively unknown. Like I mean compared to... I think that happens. Dude.

Yeah. Like Taylor... I mean not to put us right next to Taylor Swift beneath that. I mean we're well below. No no no we're really close. I think a couple more years won't be there. We can be selling up billions in the summertime for sure. We've got audiences. We've got friends and that stuff but you and I are not. We are not famous in the like all like TMZ is gonna... Oh I totally. I think we're right on the cuss. We're right on the cuss. We're gonna be with Taylor and Travis. I think Pfizer will get one of us a deal in the next couple of years. I'm working on that imaginal act. So we'll get that branding deal. The new vaccine plus. Oh yeah. That'll be dope. That'll be. That'll be. I'm waiting for that.

No I know what you're saying. Like it is very good to have relative anonymity. I do get dragged every so often. Oh who you who drags you? I could get some more drags. It's probably because I just mainly do arts and stuff. I got a place for drags. I did this with Sean and Cass and their only drag was actually a complaint about me. I looked at the patreon exit surveys. Have you ever taken a gander at those gems of content? They're all nice. They're all nice to me. It's not me. They're like fuck you Trump boy. Holy shit. You pro vax motherfucker. I'm like oh my god. Like what is going on here? I laughed at it today. This is my favorite one that happened today and I'm literally at the point where like no fucks are given. I can genuinely say that cuz of my reaction today.

I sent out an email to my email list which I hadn't emailed people in like three years. I sent out an email and I was like I'm doing bonus episodes. I'm gonna do bonus stuff on the patreon because like I've actually been putting effort into the patreon. I'm kind of proud of it. I'm like one people to see it. And this dude wrote back. He goes you blew all your magical money and now I want us to pay you fuck off. Okay that guy's funny. I want to go to his. I'm going to subscribe to his patreon. I was like please start a patreon because this shit is the best response. It wasn't like I was like I'm demanding you pay this money. You're not going to get anything more. I was just like hey here's this thing guys if you want it.

And I was like this is awesome. Like this is also truthfully like when I do stuff like that and I think this has a lot to do with people like making money whether it's on patreon or through art or creativity. There is that part of us that like feels like am I doing something wrong. Like should I not be charging people this much for it or is they not are they not going to pay it because I'm not worth it. And then to see the guy actually like say the thing that's so fucking ridiculous. Like I know like I would never just be like please pay me money. I need it. I'm like hey this is some cool thing.

This dude wrote it. I was just laughing. I was like this is the best like I don't know why I ever kind of like put myself through the ringer like that because I know myself too well like I can't fake any of this stuff. I feel like such a scumbag and it's so transparent. Like whenever I'm doing something that's not authentic. I just like look like such a loser. So like I've just learned to not look like a loser by not doing like disingenuous things. Dude yeah I mean sometimes I get under people's skin. I don't know why. I don't know what I'm saying that's a pissing people off Shawn and Cass they had one patron lead. The only negative one was Noah.

And I'm like what do I wait Shawn and Cass's patreon. You cost people and Shawn and Cass's patreon to leave. That is great. And you probably affect other people's audience. I gotta keep you off mine. Stay off. I'm a toxic. They're like dude you probably brought in like you know like a lot a lot of people but this one person was so mad at you that they made a point of saying you're a piece of shit on the way out and I'm like damn I don't know exactly what's going on there but I hope people would understand that any opinion that I have is generally not very serious and also probably not long for this world.

Like I changed my mind all the fucking time. Luckily AI is coming in or not coming. AI is here. I could make a whole podcast with your voice with the emotional affect to it too. So in the future we can just or not in the future. Why do I keep saying that? Right now anything can be denied. It's like yeah that's a deep fake. I would never say that I don't consume all the news about Israel Palestine. Of course I consume all the news about Israel pounds right and I stand with I stand with the oppressed and I denounce the oppressors. Of course of course I do. Yeah man this fucking I just feel like I give all my money to it too. I send all my money. I don't have that's actually why I didn't lose it in crypto. I gave it all to Ukraine and Israel and now I don't have any.

I mean they're going to pull out like here's the thing like also you were the person that donated the second most amount. I was wondering who donated the second most amount next to me when I saw that like ticker. Yeah when I saw who I overpassed. I'm like yeah donated the second most amount like oh that's cool that I already know them in real life. Yeah it was you me Sam Bankman freed pinky doll those were the four biggest owners to Ukraine and Israel. Is that the crypto jail guy. Which one. Yeah dude. He's a guy that went to jail for scamming people for billions or so. He was named now by his ex lover in the court she's she turned on him super hard. This dude was like living the crazy at a rolled out life like he was on straight stimulants going nuts literally like I'm going to steal money from people and give it to Tom Brady and Biden.

What did you think. What did you think was going to happen. Like where where was the end game here. Like you have to have an out. You got to have some type of soft landing for yourself and this dude. And that's you saying it. All people I'm saying it. I'm like you need a soft landing and I fucking come in pretty rough a lot of the times. I was just like man what the fuck are you doing. I didn't have any money on there so I wasn't personally affected in that way. You know you get you get screwed in any number of ways. It's foreign trade exchange is that what it is. Yeah. Is he the also the guy that had a billboard up. Yes. Maybe you didn't see that. But he has billboard with his face blown up to like 10 X. What a human person is. Yes. Like of him.

That's crazy. And he's not like a particularly good narcissism. Yeah you know he was insane. Well he was an effective altruist who would you know the basic equation of how that works is. You flip a coin and if the odds are 50 50 that the world can be doubly as good or that it'll be destroyed. Those are good enough odds to flip the coin. He's like Thanos basically. That's literally like what the doctrine of effective altruism was saying. Like you have to take the chances and the risks to make the place as best as it possibly can be. I wonder if I'm effective altruist. Fuck. Is he smart at least. Like I mean that in just the objective sense not morally. Like people often be like he's not smart. He's dumb because he's dude against my morals. Like no you can have smart people that are completely against your morals.

I think he just had balls really. I mean I don't think I could make I don't think I could scam billions of dollars. I could maybe scam like a few thousand or anything but I don't think I could scam. You could if you didn't have ethical or yeah basically like any ethical well not the frontal cortex right any ethical or moral framework you could do it. Like if you could drop aspects of personality and identity. Where you're just like I am going to fuck over whoever because it is for the greater good. It's like classic villain shit. It's not smart. It's just like you don't have that part of you that like stops people from being a piece of shit to other people.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions isn't that part of what the quote means is like all the villains think that they're making the world better. Like none of them are like they're like no no this is the I know some people have to die. Yeah exactly. At homes but overall we need to do this to have a better law and order society. It's every Marvel movie villain basically is that you just have the person who thinks they're doing best for the world and in reality they're fucking it up. Well I hope I'm not that person because I don't know that I don't think I would destroy the world for a 50% chance but like 70 maybe I would.

It's like not the whole world. Yeah 70% odds though it's going to be doubly as good. What about like the cockroaches and stuff do they get to make it out or do you mean sirex is fatality totally sorry for people who don't know because me and Noah both play Mortal Kombat a little bit and there's you know I'm sure you're familiar listener with the fatality concept after the fight is over you you kill them in a creative way. One of the characters sirex the cyborg character has a fatality that's so ridiculous all these bombs start like coming out of his chest and then it zooms out to the world and then the whole world blows up it's like you killed everybody even you and everyone you know it's a true fatality it's a true fatality it's the ultimate fatality that game is fucking crazy.

It's so they really did a pretty good job with this one I gotta say we spoke about it briefly but they rebooted it enough that I think like with the story and everything they did a pretty decent job with the weird dimensional stuff. Yeah I'm having fun with it I don't I don't have enough time logged in to make like true because gaming is such a big industry now it's like no it's inferior to MKX but it's equal to MK11 Ultra and in the like you know this character is broken and this one is needs to be nerfed and this one needs to be buffed and it's like I don't I don't even know high level no I don't know I got off the page with like probably Mortal Kombat like I don't know six I was in it was like 2001 that's the last time I was like super into Mortal Kombat where I could actually play.

I don't have time for the video games like I used to it's a weird thing that kind of evaporated in this new phase of reality like even when I play them for a little bit I'm just like even if we did our reaction time would be inferior to like a 17 year old. That's what it is right are we just old is it just that like the games are made for like the better nervous systems of younger people and I'm just like I can't that they're made for it it's just that they're going to like as far as like peak performance like of course peak performance is with the young word like we're wise we're less chaotic and like I'm not going to make stupid decisions and like just be full of as Louis C. K. would say it like full of calm that we're like no I'm I might die and a year I might die in 20 years and I've made peace with that.

We're just more chill we're chill or in 80 years or I might live forever also I might be uploaded to the cloud would you would you I would not go to the cloud I would upload to the cloud no I wouldn't feel like I already did or I feel like they could just do that anyway. I think they'll restore your consciousness after you're dead in this timeline based on the digital footprint you've left so far. Yeah and I feel like did you ever see Star Trek the next generation. One of my favorite shows all time is yeah. Oh great so Riker Commander Riker gets stuck in a teleporter pattern for a little bit and then one of the episodes is how like they accidentally made two of him one of him just like came out of the teleporter and so it's him right there.

And so it's him from 10 years ago and then he's like having to face himself from 10 years ago but they're both technically right him and we're just like so attached to our identity is like would I would I upload myself into the clouds like no if they wanted to they could just copy you infinite times over into the cloud and kill this one or keep this one alive it's. Would you have the identity version of you is is up for grabs would you have the awareness of being recreated probably not right that's not how most of the stuff works in this world you would have no but they could simulate that easily they could be like oh he feels like he's that would suck I feel or they could make me a she too or they could make me a they or they could anything.

Oh man this is why it's all basically the the biggest lesson for the future is just stop thinking in terms of like this concrete box and think of a silly putty that's just like it can be stretched and pulled and throw against the wall and bounce all over the place like that's what the future is not like will it be a you know chrome looking thing that's solid or will it be a more white looking thing that's solid no no no more solid all liquid all fuck fuck all your preconceived notions from before that's the main lesson I'll like you thinking is of like ketamine is definitely practice for this reality that's what it feels like that is there that's what I'm doing like cuz I'm I've been saying to people I mean you know what like I was doing a bunch of ketamine back like three four years ago when I was in LA I was like really in my love affair with ketamine I didn't do it for two years I recently started doing it again and I'm like wow this is very much applicable to reality when I do this it feels like I understand a lot of aspects of reality a lot better right now and what you're describing sounds exactly like that because that is kind of like when I tap into the energy or like whatever you do to kind of sense what's going on within and without it does feel like that it's so fucking elastic it's so spongy it's so like mold into like that weird not the Plato but that other weird smelling stuff what was that shit called with the little bubbles not gak right now it wasn't gak was slime it was slime it was this other do kids have that nowadays or they just make it for you to back in our day we bought it for yeah you had a bite in the little container yeah we don't make it for content and then make money we we begged our parents to pay the 10 bucks for it wow they really had us in the 90s man they really had us buy the balls they were just like buy this and we're like we will buy it that is what I want you knew it how did you know exactly what I want and we're like that's it that's the thing I want and we all loved it it's fucking crazy now it's like go back Jesus yeah go go look at commercials from the 90s all of them were just basically the child is experiencing drug withdrawal symptoms and then it's like once they get the corn pops or the cookie crust or something that's like oh gotta have my pops and that was okay it's so true it's like Tyrone like scratching the neck yeah fucking whatever it is the bubble gum bubble yum say now I'm good I need to bubble your mom the truth is is that is how ad should be I'd probably buy more of the products if they were just that base level so go through withdrawals by this yeah shit yeah man I fucking I could definitely get behind some 90s ads it's just so fucking I think like there's this ever knowing like we want to know what the fuck is going on like in the world in reality with ourselves and I guess I've been trying to think about ways to like make that feel as smooth as possible recognizing yeah we're not going to get rid of all suffering that is a propellant in a lot of ways that's something that I basically didn't recognize until probably the past few years which is like that tension that struggle that's suffering whatever it is that often is exactly the thing that like gets us to a different state of awareness it is something that proves is maybe not a comfortable but useful sort of tension and it's not like some malfunction of reality that's to be eliminated but it's how do we use that kind of in a productive way that feels authentic that doesn't feel like we're cheating our existence or like you know programming something in a way that's not like correct just cuz like it's just getting so increasingly fucking bizarre like it's so weird dude like I don't think we talk about this enough or ever it's so fucking weird right it's so weird like it's not even close I remember when things weren't as weird and maybe that's crazy maybe that's just a product of getting older but I talked to young people I talked to people much older like everyone's like no this shit is pretty gnarly this is like it's not just AI alone AI capabilities alone makes it beyond weird like if you told someone 10 years ago that you could make a pixel by pixel perfect recreation of anything and you could copy someone's voice exactly like what will happen to entertainment and what will happen to politics and the truth is the truth is still things the truth is like we like go log into truth.com and you get your truth of the day it's like no I know it's all it's over it's over though it's a wrap it's a wrap and I guess like what do you do I guess like what do we collectively do when we realize we are thrust into the like abyss the chaotic abyss of like figure it out like there is no I imagine a map emerges for each cyclical period of existence but when you're in these kind of in between like I feels like an in-between place right like in a hundred years will there still be late stage capitalism is that like a good bet I don't know maybe like but how it's not going to be in a thousand years that feels completely unsustainable so we know this shit has to kind of like change over into something it's just that what point does that happen I was I was just thinking about this shit like what a fucking crazy it's like we really pick some wild shit incarnating in this time and place it's just like what were we thinking it's already wild to incarnate as a thing just to gather physical body like that's crazy enough it's like hey you want to go into the world of death and experience things dying and decaying and being impermanent all the time you're like I guess that sounds pretty crazy it's like hey how about you do it at also the craziest fucking time to date that you can imagine in terms of I guess it does get wilder but what a fucking time to incarnate what if we've only been doing this and each time we only just up the ante and like we thought that the 80s were crazy like you and I both died in the 80s and then we reincarnated again and then we end up reincarnating in twenty hundred and thirty or something where it's just like zip-zap zoopie everything like every moment is a new color and a new note that just didn't exist in this register it's like oh can you believe that a hundred thirty years ago there was just this limited color spectrum and this limited mathematical 12 tone scale thing it's just and there's romance and betrayal and also news but it's just you you just couldn't it would be like us trying to explain to an amoeba what urina is daily life is it'd be like what what what what it's like just there's no interface for that at this point but we're going through it that's the crazy thing like that's where I find to be one of the weirdest aspects of reality right now and it ages you at a certain point but we were both alive before the internet like we grew up with our childhood not having before it hit scale like we just got we were hitting like puberty and like becoming kind of going into the world and forming identities identities I did I was the stupidest because I not only have the internet going at the time but I was started doing psychedelics like heavy when I was 15 crazy heavy so like my identity never had a time to kind of be like hey you'll be this now son it was like all right when was your first when was your first breakdown uh 20 2003 so I was 20 was that after the psychedelics or before the psychodelics oh that was after the psychedelics okay yeah yeah yeah that was basically eight years no five or six years of very heavy psychedelic use to the point of like just like really being launched out there almost on a weekly sometimes multi daily basis and taking just like absurd amounts of mushrooms and LSD and really get into some crazy places like that I cherish and love very much but yeah you little too much of the Icarus thing in that particular one but yeah that was a lot of psychedelics dude that's just that's that's bound to have I think it's very difficult to do prolonged heavy use of psychedelics for people like multi year it really does put a stress on the psyche that unless you're totally prepared to just like go totally off grid like it not even like in the energetic energy sense but just like you are not going to have be executive function you're going to be shitting yourself all of the time no but you won't be able to communicate with people right like you're not going to be able to have regular conversations and everyone kind of knows someone like that and it's unfortunate and I feel very grateful that like I peered over the abyss the edge of sanity and was like alright maybe I'm not going to go totally down there just yet I'm very happy for that and ultimately incredibly grateful but you do see people who just push it way too far and oh yeah it's sad because maybe it's not sad maybe for them it's fucking amazing you know maybe for us it's like someone they're in it yeah when you're in it when you crash and come back to an unsustainable state of being which I would say is just emitting more energy than you're recouping that's all I would define it as not even anything more complex than that but basically you're leaking energy even if it's a very high output and you have a surplus of it that leak will eventually get to a low low level where some people find it very very difficult to like claw your back oh I had kid is Yoshi no Yoshi passed away in February but this is a foster and this one is Pluto and Pluto is he has a very high Disney voice and he's he's got so much anxiety and it's funny because it's the opposite of Yoshi had not been anxious in one second of his life like you couldn't you couldn't explain anxiety to Yoshi he was the epitome of confidence and then this poor guy because you know he's from the streets and like when he first came in just had like scabs all over his paws and like was took some time to rehabilitate but like they they just have this ingrained anxiety that gets better but I don't think he'll ever be truly free of the anxiety anxiety but yeah we've got him and we've got another one who's his like basically twin brother who's not anxious like him and then we've got four kittens so it's a zoo in here we've got we've got literally six cats in the house how old are the kittens oh like five weeks six oh perfect that's such a good either like are they just starting to jump up on like beds and stuff no they're there they're now they sleep with us they sleep in the bed and there's the gray one we call him space gray he's like super chill and confident and then the two orange ones are like in the middle and then hot spot is the calico one spotted all over and she's like you know from from New York or New Jersey and it's just like well we'll tell you fuck you like just as a greeting like sounds like sounds like you just like yeah you walk into the room like oh that's fucking adorable and then we'll still get pit and stuff that's amazing look Catherine is the yeah they are they they teach you so much and Catherine is really the catalyst of of all this like I am not the person that is like I'm going to go foster cats like it be it comes into my life and I'm easy going so I'm like yeah we can we can foster I can I can make it work and then after it's happening like this is this is great I'm so glad that she nudged me but I don't I don't do good things you're like I'm a bad person let me remind you I would ever foster poor innocent animals off the street my partner well it's like I would if they showed up to the door but it's not like I'm going to go to the website and apply like I don't have what is it called conscientiousness no I don't think most people think to foster pets I don't think most people there usually is one person in a relationship who's like I'm going to do that or like that's the type of person and that's an amazing type of person too because they need it kittens are also though as I'm sure you've realized I my last cat who recently just passed away as well in was it February weird Isis she I had her as a kitten from like a week old she was born in a barn she was the rent and they're so fucking cute it's out of it so you bottle baby did if it's one week old like was she a bottle baby no she wasn't a bottle baby she yes she was a bottle baby she had the milk that we had to get the mom was gone yeah yeah yeah the milk she was so fucking young she came with me to Boston I remember she went through heat for the first time and I was like what the fuck is going on like I did not have a conception of what a cat through when when they went through heat before except the cat growing up was neutered and she wasn't spayed yet and it was just like yo this cat is horny is fuck anything that was going on her ass was up in the air she was making the craziest out I think my cat is broken and then I called the vet and they were like nope she needs to be spayed

Needs to be spayed because that is not gonna be good for you otherwise, I was like shit.

If they don't get spayed, like one becomes five or not one, but you know two can become six can become 50 like in a year.

Yeah, yeah. Well your life isn't all bad with you got the kittens. I mean, here's--

No, my life is great. I'm not, my complaints are very specific but I would never say that like my life is bad. It's like top one percent life probably.

What are your complaints currently?

That I always experience financial anxiety that I know these truths, that I must do the imaginal technique and if you see yourself as this missing thing, something that's incomplete and then needs that outside thing to integrate into you to be whole, you repel that thing. And if you experience the wholeness that you have it and then you are a magnet for all of the other stuff, it just comes to you and it's so counterintuitive if you have the ingrained not wanting stuff but that's where I'm always struggling with that. I always am pushing stuff away on a feeling level.

Do you think you can change that by not lying to yourself but basically refusing a belief that feels like a feeling not intellectually but like by catching the feeling and then like sending it in a different direction? Because that's literally what I've been in the process of doing and since I feel like I've kind of accomplished any semblance of positive momentum, it's only been based on like vigilantly watching my reactions to every signal of like reaction to financial hardship because that's like, it's literally the only thing that alleviates that anxiety. Otherwise, I've stayed in that state, like you're saying for like almost 10 years, like I think I was like that from 2015 to almost 2017 there was a brief blip.

No, I mean, 'cause I had the fucking, I did, I know what it feels like to be like, like have enough money, like to be like, you know, that feeling of wealth and just like not having to worry about it, that not leading to any type of catastrophe but just being okay, like being able to say yes to everything, I do remember that feeling. If you haven't experienced it yet, it's different. It's not like, oh, I got to the other side but I do recognize the only way out of that feeling of anxiety is to genuinely like say super fucking vigilant about your thoughts, recognize that if you've like felt a pattern of resistance or like you just can't get it, just be like, I don't understand that but like this is never gonna get any more simple than me just like absolutely reversing the energy at its core for as long as I can and just see it because like you do get that flip and that's when those weird things start to happen in life that like you get this thought, that opposite feeling that P is wonderful at expressing which is just like shit is flowing to me.

Like I couldn't turn off this bigot if I wanted to. I'm so in alignment with this abundant energy that it feels like amazing. The only way I know of ever kind of coming close to that or being in that state is literally just like kind of not, maybe it is tricking yourself. Like it's whatever you have to do.

Sure.

Literally just like get to the point where that other feeling is--

They're both tricks by the way. It's not like one is the trick and then other isn't the trick. It's like which trick are you gonna trick on yourself?

But it's easier, I think we would agree. It's easier to go into a state of panic when things seem like they're not going right externally. Like that's the easier of the two to do. It's the natural response for most of us. Like if something happens that seems shitty, we go, oh, that's a shitty thing. This doesn't feel good. It's not a natural state of being for most of us to go like, oh, it doesn't matter. Like I'm God.

And panic never works. Like is there ever a scenario where panic is good? And people think, well, if you don't do panic, then that means you're just sitting there doing nothing. Of course, panic is good. And I'm not saying doing nothing, but doing the right thing calmly is so much better than panic flailing arms around, going in a million directions with your mind.

Knowing that intellectually, being able to employ it when we get into the situations that trigger us, right, is the question. And I guess the, you know, like whatever approach is you can use to actually deal with that, that's where it gets like satisfying and fulfilling, right? That's the only place that's ever gonna come from. I would argue that the precise reason that you have the anxiety, this might not alleviate it in any way, is because you are waiting on sub subconscious level for the payoff to be like, oh, when I was this age and this year, this happened, and now I don't have to deal with this anymore.

But for that to actually be an experience, you have to believe that to be true. Like you actually have to feel that, not trick yourself intellectually, not tell yourself a story, but like actually know that to be the inevitable outcome rather than kind of being like, well, maybe this is just what it is. Like maybe this is just how this goes for me. And that kind of is like the crack in the door, I think ultimately allows you to kind of like figure out if that's something you even want. Maybe there's some shit that financial hardship comes in place of, this is what I've been bouncing around recently.

Also, I got nothing on you. When you said you've got 10K in debt.

Oh, yeah, yeah, 100K, what am I talking about?

120K, 120K. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, objectively, like I am absolutely like flocked. Like there's no--

I don't think I've had that total if you've racked up all of this debt that I've paid off throughout all of my life.

And so like, but that just goes to show you that it's not a cumulative like number amount that determines the level of anxiety because I should be 10, 20 times, 30 times as freaked out, right? I have progeny, I have children I have to take care of. I should be losing my shit, but I've--

Doesn't your wife have, like you can choose not to answer this or edit this out, but I might be remembering it wrong. I might be remembering Seinfeld or something, but isn't your wife independently wealthy?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I would never take money from my wife, like for them.

No, not you, your kids.

No, my kids, I would never, first of all, I would never let any situation ever get to the point. I know this about myself personally. This is something where I think it is like, I think this does happen with kids for a lot of people too, is like, and that's when you learn like more money needs to come in, so it does come in. I learned that pretty quickly with children, but there's like a base level where like, I would never let my kids suffer in any way. If I had to like work like 10 jobs to like make enough money, like that's a level of sacrifice I'd be willing to do. So I always know that there's a solution that covers my family's basic needs, and I would never let anyone else in my family assume that burden.

Like, that's, you have to kind of, at least for me personally, you have to take that on as a parent. But I know like in, I've been in similar situations. I think the last time I was in Syria is that I had like 60K, and this was in 2017, and the crypto hit again, and I made a shitload of money from that, and I was able to pay everything off, and then immediately went back to struggle mode for a few years, and then 2020 happened, 2021, and then I made a ton. I think I just, I don't know how to describe it, but you probably all of the reasons in the world and all of the facts in the world, you should take debt and financial hardship seriously.

I just ultimately can't. Like it doesn't feel like a real thing when I examine it. You know what I mean? And yeah, maybe--

But you make the payments though, right?

Of course I make the payments. I have to make the payments. I mean, I don't, I'm not, like listen, but let me put it like this. If the situation got as such where I couldn't make payments, right? Like, and I'm just like, I cannot afford this, and it had to go into like collections, which I've never been in in my life. I would absolutely do that. I have no problem going into collections for loans that I owe and settling for 40% of the debt and ruining my credit. Like, I don't give a shit. Like I've seen my credit be over 820. I've seen it be below 500. It's like, I've seen like--

I didn't know it could go over 820. I got 800 with that. - Yeah, no, there's eight. There's now 820. I think it goes--

There's 820? There's a secret flavor?

Yeah, yeah, at 820 for a while. Yeah, it goes above 800. I think it goes like 830 or 850. But the point is, is that like those again are just numbers. You know what I mean? Like if I have to reduce my personal comfort level or standard of living, which I don't believe that I do, like I don't entertain that as a thought, but if I did have to do that, and I'm not afraid to go there kind of like, in my mind, I would do it. I guess that's where I kind of like recognize that like, I don't wanna cheat anyone. I don't wanna wrong anyone. I'm not gonna steal anything. But a lending institution that's charging me, you know, 10% on a five-year multi-rate loan, like I don't feel so bad if I have to settle for 40% for them.

Like that's not gonna like ruin my conception of self and feel like I'm a bad person.

What does that mean, settle for like, you pay it off all at once, 40%.

Yeah, if you have debt and you go 30 days, 60 days, 90 days with any lender or credit card company, they will then refer you to a collections company who will then on their behalf as a third party company, go and settle your debt with them. Usually, depending on your circumstances, if you just start racking all your shit up, like because you think you can scam them for this, this isn't gonna work. But if you're like a person who's really trying and has been making payments up into that point, they'll usually settle with you for loans and credit cards, 40% of the total amount.

That's cool. So then you got that, you like, it was so profitable then. I mean, maybe your credit score hits--

Yeah, your credit score goes well. But Jessa, you know, Jess--

That's a cool deal.

You know Jessa's hacked for credit score. She was the one who talks 'cause she, I think she filed for bankruptcy once or maybe twice. I don't wanna slander her. I know she's spoken about this.

No, she's said it 100 times.

Yeah, but she's like the easiest hack for a shitty credit score is car. Own a car, make your car payments. I have a car, I have payment.

I just finished it.

Yeah.

I just got the title.

Yeah, I got the title for my last car. It's a good feeling. It feels good. Like you actually paid a whole thing off that was kind of expensive. It's a good feeling. And I also like try to treat money like that too. That's why I tend to meet my roles. Like I like paying bills. It sounds stupid, but I like the feeling of like, oh, I--

I know what I'm getting you for Christmas.

Yeah, here you go, pay me, I'll give you some bills. But I like the sense of accomplishment, like in a video game or an RPG where you do a task and you like knock it off, like, that's just a feeling that feels good to me. I don't have a problem. And I try to treat shit like that. I'm just like play around with the concept of money, which I know for a lot of people sounds very dangerous or risky, but I don't believe in money as a limited resource of like finite means. I do think it is a resonance thing ultimately. That is a felt reality to me. I have to remind myself of that at times, but I think most people can tap into that.

And that's kind of the space to be in if you wanna like really start playing around with it as a malleable energy.

That's true. And today is the, or not today, like today today, but like today's world before you could not make a lot of money overnight and not from the toilet, but now you could technically make a million dollars if you punch the right input into your phone and that message, whatever you're offering, like some, whether it's a trade or you're offering a product or service or something, like you can unlock that flow. It's possible from your phone in the bathroom.

And it's like, how do you align that energy? Not maybe not that specific thing. Like maybe you don't use the internet, but whatever it is. How do you align yourself with that energy in a way that feels authentic? That's basically, those are the questions that I've basically been circling around. And how do you align it with like, again, for me, the biggest question of my life right now should probably be my financial wellbeing, but it's like, what the fuck? Do you want your day-to-day life to look like? Like let's pretend you had all the money in the world. Let's say that really isn't a factor.

Like live from that space. What do you wanna do? Like not because you need to pay bills, not because you have obligations. That's the thing, when you have that, do that. Do that thing. I think every day that I'm trying to like go through right now, is that, and I trust that that will lead to some situation that resolves, whatever else. 'Cause it doesn't have to be money. If someone was like, hey, Rameen, I'm gonna pay for your housing for the rest of your life. I'm gonna pay for your food. I'm gonna pay for everything. Here you go. You would take it. You wouldn't be like, no, I need to have that in 100.

Sir, I would like to pay this in my own way. You'd be like, sure. Pop will take all that. No problems, pay for my place, I'm good. But I think like, that's usually not what people can see of when they think about like their life and their wellbeing and their needs or their resources. Because it's not how things have worked. We're not in that day and age, but I don't know. Those are the thoughts that I've been kind of, 'cause I just realized this is an issue. Like this is what I've centered back on. Like after all the imaginal stuff, where like I did a lot of crazy shit. I experienced a lot of crazy things that to me are still unbelievable.

But money seems to be a really big problem for a lot of people in this country and in the world. Like it really seems to be a dominant form of restriction and anxiety that I fundamentally do not believe is built into like the structure of reality. It is a construct that absolutely does not have some fundamental reality. So how do we hack it? As Jessa would say, how do we use a cheat code? As P would say, like what are the tools that are effectively out there that can be reliably employed too? Not like, you know, maybe this will work sometimes. Maybe it won't, but like, no, I can test this shit.

It can work, it worked for me. And I think I'm just kind of in the process of proving that again for another time. And hopefully I can map it out in a way where I can be like, this is how you do it, at least with this specific problem. And you know, like I recognize there's a lot of people like you and me at various times who just like as much as you can intellectually understand this shit, it is not always easily employable. It is not something that feels natural to a lot of people a lot of the time. So when you're in that place, particularly what do you use? Like what do you use to remind yourself that that is something that you can do.

And that's kind of, I guess that's what I've been kind of focusing on, 'cause those are the obstacles and you're way at any given time. But I do look forward to like coming back and talking about this stuff in like, I don't know, six months and being like, you remember all that?

Well we're real broke.

Oh yeah, we're super fucked and I'm in a debtor's prison. (laughing)

Yeah, it's me on the other side of the glass.

Yeah, it's like-- - I bring in the mic for you.

Yeah, my kids are like sadly at the glass being like, daddy, we miss you.

No, but I do genuinely look forward to being like, like remember when I said I had all that debt? Yeah, it's gone. Here's what happened since then. This is kind of what worked for me. I mean, that's truly what I believe why I go through these things. And I've gone through them before too. Like this is, I tend to ratchet things up to such an extreme. It's kind of like fucking ridiculous. But I do think that the lessons and like whatever I learn through those experiences, that's part of why I have a podcast and why I talk about the things I talk about because I'm kind of a dumbass and if I can do it, then anyone can do it.

That's kind of like my philosophy on a lot of this stuff. And I just feel like, I think a lot of us are just ready to end this shit, to be honest, like it's like get on with living a different aspect.

And are suffering or the life or both?

No, well, no, hopefully not both.

I think it's both.

I think a lot of people are, I mean, suicide or financial stress is the number one cause of suicidal ideation.

Yeah, which is insane.

I'm pretty sure. And it has a way of taking over your brain, like it's when you have enough money for the next six months to pay all your bills, like you start imagining like, oh, I could invest in this and grow that. And then when you don't have enough to pay rent and rent's coming up, it shuts it all down. Like you can't even think you've got brain fog, you've got anxiety, you're like, just gonna lie down in bed and then you're like, but I can't lie down in bed 'cause then the time will move forward. I'll go sit in front of the workstation and work, but I can't work 'cause it's like this, it's a stalemate of action and inaction towards it.

So what was the point of that? Maybe there was no point. It was just articulating the feeling of this.

You were just saying, this is what it's like when I feel like, yeah.

It's what it's like and just what I'm trying to tell myself beyond like, 'cause I know all the imaginal techniques, I know that Abraham Hicks and I know it's your resonance with all that. I know every way of cutting it, I can play it in every key, holding the instrument backwards, I can play that tune, but what's working for me right now or I'm trying to tell myself is just that the other way does not work. I'm not talking about what works. Fuck what works.

You just know what doesn't.

Let's focus on what does not work. What does not work is panic and anxiety about it and beating yourself up about it. That's the number one. So when you're going down that road, it's like, you just have to, you turn. But where are we going? Where are we putting in the GPS? Doesn't matter. I'm just getting away from this neighborhood 'cause that's a bad neighborhood.

It's true. Like that I think is, it is the prereq for any other type of action you would take anyway. You have to have the awareness that that shit isn't working. Like that is, you cannot realize that unless you were just naturally doing it all of the time, which like, cool dude, like, that sounds amazing. But it's not how people typically engage with any type of anxiety in their lives because it's not, it wouldn't be anxiety then. But yeah, I mean, the panic stuff is just, it is useless. I think once you identify that, then yeah, I do think it's, you know intellectually that when you feel like good things are gonna happen to you, good things happen to you.

It's like a very understood, plain fact of life, but what do you do to kind of impress that on your subconscious or whatever you wanna call it, your higher self, let that communicate with you. Those are the tools and kind of systems and methodologies that I think I'm most focused on right now just because I just, like I said, I can take financial hardship pretty lightly. Like I can like really look at this and not freak the fuck out. A, because I know it doesn't help anything, but B, because I do know that once you start doing that, it does tend to alleviate itself. But I know people who literally cannot, who just like, I know many, many people who cannot stop that.

And I'd like to be able to like share something. And my way of doing it is like jumping into the pool with everyone else and be like, oh yeah, this does suck. How the fuck did we get out of here? Let me try to figure it out and then I'll try to get you out. That's kind of what I feel like I'm doing just because, I don't know, like I think that's how I relate to a lot of like suffering in the world. And I think a lot of people do that. It's just sometimes we can forget that we don't have to exist in that state permanently. And that to me, what was like, that's what falling asleep.

Yeah, you would visit Skid Row when you came out here. You didn't need to visit Skid Row. You had a nice Airbnb and what's it, Laurel Canyon?

Yeah.

And then you still went to Skid Row. You didn't spend the night there, but you just went there.

Yeah, I walked through.

Just so you got out on the streets.

So that's what you did financially. You went to financial Skid Row.

I did do that, man. I literally--

So you can help us, so you can help us navigate the way out?

I mean, to me, like, and you know, like I do this with like actual financial funds when I have the means. It's just to me, it doesn't make sense this other way that we're experiencing it, fundamentally. Like if I thought that's what it was, I wouldn't rail against it. I'd just accept it. I'd be like, you know what, this is fine. Like this is just how reality is. We gotta work on these things. But I'm like, nah, this shit, this is bullshit. Like people shouldn't--

It is.

Like people like Rameen shouldn't be worrying about money. People all over the world shouldn't be worrying about any type of financial anxiety. It's a stupid thing to worry about, not that it diminishes the importance of like how it feels when you're worrying about it. It's just like, there's other stuff that we could be putting our energy to. We could be directing that towards some other, you know.

Yeah.

That to me, it's like about loosening up that type of energy. So I do look forward to having this conversation again in the not too distant future and being like, all right, dude, here's what I figured out. Hopefully you can try this and this will work. Otherwise I'll just have to like, become a patron of you and subsidize you with like hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and be like, does this work, man? Did you figure it out? Is this the best way to do it?

It works. It's the best way it works for me.

I will do it.

The six months from now is crazy. Like six months from now could either be exactly like now or will have gone through 100,000 different news cycles of things and it'll all be about DeSantis versus Biden 'cause we're about to enter in the world.

Ah, I forgot.

Political year where it's gonna be all about that and silence is violence.

DeSantis, dude, it's gonna be Trump. You know that. Like this dude.

Oh, I have no idea.

Oh my God.

Sure.

Novelty is the only thing I know that increases and there's no more novel situation than criminal indicted people hating Trump coming back and being in front of everyone's faces. That's the only thing I bet on is novelty at this point. It's the only, it's the safest bet. It's like taking, you know, the favorite team. You're not going with the underdog if you're taking something that's insane and doesn't seem to make sense.

Is he allowed to? I thought like, I mean, this might just be MSNBC or something but he's not disqualified because of all of the controversies, right? He could still run perfectly fine.

Yeah, he could.

Yeah, then he's got it then, I guess.

Yeah, unless they come up with like an actual law or like injunction that prevents him from doing it, anyone can run for president. He's not convicted, he's just indicted. They're unlikely to convict someone who's running for president, just the political ramifications of that alone are like too sketchy. No, he's so bippy, he's gonna be pissing people off for a long time and--

Late night TV's gonna love it and they're gonna cry so much.

That's when the economic boom will happen. That's the craziest thing is this dude is gonna lead to the next like entertainment economic boom and then money will be flowing around. Crypto will be going nuts and we'll be saying, hey, this shit makes no sense. I'm looking forward to it.

And it never did and it currently isn't and the future, if there's one thing you can count on is that it also won't make sense then ladies and gentlemen.

I like, let's leave it on that. Let's leave it on the notion for people that none of this makes sense. It will never make sense. Don't try to make sense of it. Just try to keep your head afloat and don't lose your shit. I personally though, I gotta say, my general sense of 2024 for most people who I think are kind of tuning in to what's going on. It's gonna be a pretty good year. I really do believe that. I do not get the sense that this kind of chaotic, struggle, panic, situation, energy is A, sustainable in the same way like a manic state of like hyper kind of worry is just, you can't live in that forever.

You'll crash at some point. You have to take a nap or something. I do have a sense that if people are willing to like, you know, fuckin' plumb the depths of their psyches, their souls, whatever it is, there's gonna be a lot of like pretty opportunities. You get it? Yeah, exactly. You know, Lou Kang, Lou Kang people. It's gonna be a pretty good time. Dude, remind people where they can find you. We're still doing that.

Of course we are. RameenNazer.com, rainbowbrainschool.com. Social media wise, RameenNazer is the main social media that I post to, but yeah, those ones. And from everything else comes those. And watch out. I've got a lot of exciting stuff in the works or I don't do it and I am silent for six months. It's one of those two, it's gonna be a lot of stuff. I keep telling myself, like I'm gonna start recording episodes again and then just, you know, the day happens, like I don't wanna record episodes. I don't wanna edit episodes. I don't want to have, I mean, this is a lot of fun, but you know what I mean.

It's hard.

When it's your own, going on someone else's show is different than your own show.

Super easy to compare to your own thing for sure. It's hard to get going again, but you also like, you put a lot of stuff out there creatively already. So like getting that like turbo boost of like energy to do a podcast. Like people might not understand it's not always the easiest thing. There's a reason that every like one of us in this like little weird field stopped for a little bit. It is like very, also like some people can just do it when they don't feel like doing it. Like there are those people that exist. They're like, this is my brand. This is what I do. Even if I feel like a piece of shit, I'm gonna do it.

When I feel like I don't have energy in a piece of shit, I can't do it. I'm just like, no, I cannot.

Yeah.

I'm literally gonna-- - Are you familiar? Are you familiar with the doshas?

The doshas meaning the, are those the poisons?

No, it's the like, it's like the Vedic Indian categorization of personality and motivation types. And I've just learned about it a little bit, but there's basically the Vatas who your mind is like the wind.

Sadhva Raja and what's the other one?

Kapa. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Basically one is like very structured, motivated, career climber. The other is like the wind and just cannot stick to it. Do it every day for every type of thing. And then the other is like kind of slow, but long form. Like George RR Martin building out Game of Thrones. These huge worlds throughout like decades and stuff. And I think you and I are both of the first type of the, we can't stick to one. Well, this is what I do. I release an episode every Monday at 9 a.m. And we do the, like eventually you just wake up and you're like, what am I, what am I doing? It feels like it's the same episode every week.

It's so--

Am I just re-recording the same episode?

I stop as soon as I have any semblance that this became like a job or something that I'm doing because I set it up as something to do, it's done. It's done. I can't continue. I think Jess is the same way. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think it's just like fitting that into a society and digital culture that rewards daily regular, persistent content is maybe not the best permutation of that. But I do think that's like why we create our own kind of like digital outpost for this stuff. Like the way you do it also is like it's still some of the best shit out there. Like just all the things, the thoughts you encapsulate in illustrated form are just like there's a reason, you know, people love it because it does.

It just like puts people's ideas that they can see that they have in such like a expressive and cool way that I think there will always be a place for that. Yeah man, that shit is, that's the best. But I also don't get the sense with you that you don't have that level of consistency because you do have like a lot of catalog and new stuff that you do that like it does feel like you're doing a great job of getting this stuff out there regularly. I usually feel like- Oh, thank you. It does. It might be egoic. I think it might be egoic and not the stuff that I put out but my struggle with it might be more of an ego struggle 'cause I was thinking of Android Jones was talking about how he realized he was hiding behind images a lot and I feel like I do that sometimes.

Like I'm hiding behind artwork. I'm very rarely putting out my voice, my image, my video, things like that. And it's like I have time to craft this image and then it goes there and I'm safely hidden behind it. I get zero negative comments, zero dick pics, zero death threats, all nice stuff because I'm not putting myself out there. It's heavily curated perfect that like who could write and mean thing about that and if you do, you're just a-

You're a piece of shit.

Yeah, you're surrounded by that. But if I just did a regular podcast every day and made the jokes that came to me, I would get so much hate. Of course I would 'cause I like the stuff you like too. I like South Park. I like- - Of course.

Tim Dillon and then those kind of things are I think they're funny. And I don't think they're right but they're funny.

I don't think anyone would revolt. I think you've also been out there like to the degree that anyone would revolt if you shared your opinions or like said that you like things that maybe not everyone is gonna like. I think also like, you know, I get the hiding potentially behind this stuff but like, I don't know, man. I don't think it's even capable of doing that anymore. And inevitably there's gonna be some aspect of your personality that's been out there or even this or something where like someone could find fault for something you're gonna say. I guess I know from all of the horrible things that people think about me and have no problem saying to me, it's really not so bad.

It's actually kind of liberating 'cause it's just like, it's so ridiculous. Like, I guess if I felt like a piece of shit, like if I really was like, I'm a bad person. Like, then it would sting in like some real way but like, I know like ultimately where I'm coming from and what I believe and what I think. And there's, at least from my perspective, not like, it's not from a place of hate or like dislike. It might be stupid sometimes. I may say something that's not like nice to say but I don't question myself on that deep fundamental level. And I doubt that you do either. I mean, people are always gonna have fucking opinions of other people they don't know.

And it's usually just a projection of their own insecurities at the end of the day anyway. Like, you can't take any of this shit seriously on the internet. - Yeah. I just don't want it though. I just don't want to look at it. I know that it's just them but like the thought of it coming in and like you're getting like, if you're getting half bad comments and half good and still like. - You'll never. You'll never get half, dude. Are you kidding me? Like for us, the instances I mentioned of people relative to all the nice things people right may say to me, it's like, it's less than a percent. Like it is an infinitesimally small and I say a lot of wild shit.

Like, I don't think people really, also people are in their filter bubbles these days now, you know what I mean?

That's true.

Like they're just really like, they get it, man.

What's it like being, I mean, I guess you acclimated eventually but what's it like being a hard right political pundit or a hard left pundit where you're like one half of the world is like always just going after you or.

You get it though. That's like, that's the value exchange. Do you know what I mean? Like if you take a stance, if I one day decide to be hard right or hard left, I've now gained an entire fan base. You can look at it like half the people hate me but now half the people love me. Now this huge segment of people agrees with everything I say because it's the same talking points, it's the same perspectives, it's only validating what they believe. So that's the devil's bargain there, right? You're gaining this level of awareness and you can just say, oh fuck the haters, they don't matter. It's harder to kind of be like somewhere in the middle and kind of point at the silliness of it.

And I think-- - Yeah, it is harder.

It is, it is because like you can't, it's nuanced. Like you can't just take a regular stance and be like, oh okay, or one sided stance and be like, well this is all bullshit, you know? It's obviously bullshit. You have to kind of be like, well this is bullshit and that's bullshit and this is also bullshit. And I kind of agree with this and maybe I agree with this sometimes but I'm gonna change my mind. Like, you know, it's not giving people a target to kind of like latch onto and paradoxically, you will then have targets on you because people will label you as everything that they think you are.

It's just like, you know, it's fucking--

Our brains have just melted 'cause of this. I was thinking that when I was, you know, in high school I would watch Seinfeld and Friends and then lie down and read a comic book and then give it and that was my media consumption and now it's like thousands of opinions of varying knowledge and importance and maybe bots or half of them.

So many bots, what is going on? I know, dude, something's gotta give though. Like this is not-- - It is, it's given.

Something is like this is, we can't do this for like another, what, five years of this?

We're already past the due date, it's expired. It's already old.

What are we, I mean, that's why my faith is in that like this whole reality perception bubble fundamentally changes sooner rather than later? 'Cause I just-- - 2024 baby.

I don't think people can sustain this. I really don't. I think it's 2024 vibes, man. I really do. You rock, dude, you're the best.

Right back at you. It's been great to catch up.

Yeah, it really has.

Sorry about, sorry listeners for, you know, for 15 minutes of it. Wherever, whatever 15 minutes you didn't like, sorry about this. - I'll make sure to edit all the 15 minutes out that people didn't like and just leave it with like five minutes of the podcast.

Yep, yep, yep.

I am gonna release that for the pages.

No, I stand by everything I said.

A hundred percent. - Yes, including that line. Yeah. (laughs)

Amazing. All right. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

Whoa, did you stay all the way past the music? You must really like the show or you fell asleep in which case your life is amazing. Everything is awesome. Let that sink in. If you're still awake though and you're digging the show, a reminder you can find bonus episodes every week on patreon.com/synchronicity, the $5 tier. It's a pretty good deal if you like this podcast. If you don't and definitely don't do it, but also what the fuck are you doing here at the end of the episode? Why would you listen to the whole thing if you don't like it? You know, it's just the way it is, is fun stuff going on over there.

Like I said, stay tuned for music, other fun stuff, the imagination group. It's gonna be cool. Starts in November, we're gonna pilot test and then we'll look at doing an annual one. Have not forgotten about the live events, just sorting that out, waiting for a fam to get back so I can plan it out. Make sure something cool's going on in Brooklyn. Don't know why I deviate it into that accent. Anyway, I will see you next week until then, happy-imaginating, imagine-ating, sure. Imaginating, happy-imagining, and I love you, bye-bye.

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