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Now I can see your voice good. Okay, now you're here and we're, now we're taping, but you don't have to include any of this. but maybe we will.

No, I'm gonna include it. I include it all. I've honestly, if it was up to me, the pre-stuff that I used to do with like guests, I would leave that in, but I never asked them specifically, so I don't use it.

When did you start using it?

I just kind of extended more and more depending on the person. Like so for my sister, I extended it like pretty close to when we actually started. But if I don't know the person that well, don't want to like overstep and like oh we weren't recording yet because especially on the Skype ones if I do those it records instantly like right off the bat and people don't know and I was like oh yeah by the way everything you just said they should be used to it though they should get hip to what a podcast is which means that it might be happening even if you don't know it much like it is it's always happening we just happen this is something I've been trying to do is just record more shit, just like have a recorder out, like whether it's music or everything, because like I'm sure you do this like you'll do something like super creative and have like a really creative thought and you're like, I should have, I should have pinned that down.

Yeah, the, you know, the Mitch Hedberg joke where he, when I get an idea late at night, if I look for a pen and pad and if I can't find a pen and pad, then I have to convince convince myself that what I thought of ain't funny, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to get better about or not trying to get better, I think I have gotten better, having more writing stuff around, so don't produce even the friction of having to go into the other room, like there's a pen and something right within the kitchen in the bedroom, in the other room, how many rooms you got outside the room, in the car, everywhere. Yeah, it's because it's magic, that's what I realized, like there's the process of thinking the thing and then physically writing with like language words.

Yeah. It's the McKenna thing. The world is made of language. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's expressed into that. Well, anyway, man, dude, thanks for coming on. Oh, yeah. You didn't even intro the show. I know. I just jumped right into it. Do you have like, I listened to lots of synchronicity and there's the intro song, but I don't think you do the intro as part of the podcast, right? You pre-intro it. I'm pretty in jail. Yeah, I cuz usually just jump in but I welcome the person I say thanks for coming on Yeah, thanks for coming on that's true And I should know having been on it before and listening to it and I associate like you hang out with me most when I'm walking up Sunset Towards the east I believe that's when do you do that where you listen to certain podcasts at certain times like I'll listen to You know I'm more likely to listen to Joe Rogan if I'm in the gym like stuff like that And for some reason when it's nighttime and I'm walking down sunset. That's when I tune in to synchronicities So interesting, maybe I'm summoning you here by like Having the signal be picked up by my phone and that's why you want to move out here or something the bad signal Got shined from people's psyches. I really probably that is Man that could be what it is Yeah, man. I do the same thing. I definitely like to listen to pot I think I listen to the majority of podcasts when I'm working out like I just there's something about physically Moving that like moves my mind and I didn't catch on to this shit for like 35 years Like I'm an idiot. It's not it was lame to work out. I'm like, oh, I should have been doing this. It actually is like good But dude, I this is now my opportunity to I'm in your place in your den To figure out about you like oh, I forgot. I forgot about that. Yeah, like I don't I only know you from coming on my podcast How do we how do we get Shawn and Cass Shawn? Hey guys? We love you love them. They're in Florida right now Hey, they've already retired. They're already like reached old age. I still love each other just as much No, they love each other more now. They love each other more with every day So the old versions of them which will look like so because the future like we're not going to age and stuff anymore It'll look exactly how they look right now or whatever period plus another ones But they love each other even more even more. I think I bet people that listen to synchronicity know Shawn and Cass. Yeah, they know Jessa Reed. Yeah, they know Michael Phillip probably they know Cory Allen. Yes, Michael Garfield. They're probably familiar with this cast of like if there's the mind pod network people magazine Like these are the like and Sean and Cass were seen in Florida this last week And so it's like a miniature little grocery store of like the celebrities of the the inner whatever the fuck we talk about magazine, you know, it's funny is like I never really thought about that, but then Whenever you do like a live event with any like podcast or like we just did this one in New York Like you realize there are people who like are very much tuned in to kind of like the cast of characters Who are in their ears often it makes sense I don't think about it because like don't assume that they do but also like keep it open as like as a fun Yeah fun thing that yeah I mean I I get it because like a lot of people like all of those people are my friends and to be able to like They're my friends for very specific reasons and general ones, and to be able to have them in your ear.

I think it's a special and fun thing. I got pretty sappy real fucking girl. -Yes. Why not? This is why we do it. This is what we're all doing now. This is what the end of this decade is about. People are, "Okay, I'm not normally vulnerable, but I just thought it was time that I shared with those of you who care, which most of you don't too long, don't read, but everyone's just kind of spilling their heart out, in their heart out, whether they're a Gen X or they're a kid or something like everyone is coming, having to come into Jesus moment for lack of a better word and yeah, I think that's how the, how we're moving into the next whatever iteration of humanity is.

So what, let's, I want to talk about your, your linear chronological time from where we we are now, which is just like infinitely weird and getting weirder kind of by the day.

Oh yeah.

I'll wake up and I'll be like, oh my God. Like this has got that much weirder already. Like 10% is too much for a night. Sometimes I'll nap and I'll wake up and be like, what?

Yeah.

What, so when did you get started? Like 'cause you're comedian first and foremost, or was the art before in your musician? I know you've spoken about the violence. So like what has been your trajectory as an artist? I haven't done the math, actually, because it would be one I would have to really weigh around, because as a kid, or I think a lot of people are comedians, whether they do stand up or not, there's like some really funny people I know that don't do stand up, and there's some people that do really well at stand up who are not funny. They're just, they're naturally not funny, but they can write stuff to where they can eventually get hired on things, and it's, you know, that kind of stuff that does appeal to some people.

this is a very broad talking shit thing but I know that we all know it's true and we all have friends that never thought about or comedians will always say that they're they're not funnier than like some friend they had in high school like Doug Stanhope will claim that Andy Andress is way funnier than him and you watch Andy Andress and you see like oh that guy really did influence Doug Stanhope that little inside comedian baseball thing but I did I did draw a lot as a kid I played violence since I was, you know, this tall since I was like five or something. Oh, wow. But I guess the last, the 20, 2007 to now I guess would be the, when the standup chapter would have happened, but also the not doing it as much, not traveling as much with it because, you know, your interests go where they go and I still, I still have it as an interest, but it's not taking my main focus. And the main focus is, I think, I don't know what I think. I don't know what it is. I almost don't want to draw a line around it.

And I don't want to say that it's, you know, just making visual stuff, because who knows, maybe that won't be the thing tomorrow, but also been doing the visual stuff. What are long, rambly centralions? I wonder if it's of any value to people. No, this is other than people that already know the universe if this is their first episode of synchronicity It's like oh, they've got artist Ram and Azar on let's see what this guy does She draws skeletons or some shit is she's rainbows. Yeah, you're totally downplaying though because a lot of people will get in touch with me who Know you before they actually know you because of your art. So your art is like clearly Getting like me medic, right like they see the invisible self before they see the yeah 3d me Yeah, exactly and that's pretty fucking cool because it means like the internal imaginal stuff is like really like alluring to them so Yeah, no, I mean I think that's all really important stuff for figuring out what you do And I also think it's natural not to want to get pinned down When you're a creative person and I think that's one of the beauties of like like the best parts of right now like the 60 kind of thing is you can be like this is a renaissance time like you can be a musician, comedian, artist, whatever else you want to be. Have we clarified that and not that you can clarify it but 6d is that where everyone can use other everyone else's powers if we're talking about the ascension of yes because once again I think we were talking about this before we started recording but I love reading about the stuff and you know whether it's what Saturn was as a god or trying to figure out what this 3D to 4D to 5D all the way to 8D ascension is but there's parts of it that resonate with me and then other parts that I like try to remember but I just don't so maybe the point is I'm not supposed to remember the details about whatever for lack of a better word is ascension. I think it depends like sometimes like you'll hit the thing and you're like I'm not gonna learn about that like that's like the reptilians like I know about that to a point And then I'm like, I'm good like I get it and that's a narrative and that's a path and it's real But I'm good there So I think there's part of knowing when that happens But then I will say there are times and you can usually notice that the persistency of them showing up like where you you don't Remember this stuff and then something will lock into place at a later time that teaches you that this happened to me for the zodiac Like I just learned I've been doing astrology readings But if you had asked me like the sequence of the zodiac, I probably would have missed a few in sequence But I learned it through tarot from a zodiac spread and I was like, oh, this is how I did it And I had to literally do like, you know, cramming for a test thing I was like, oh, let me repeat them now repeat them again. I did it like three times I'm like, oh, I know that so it's like it is a question of like how much you want the thing But if it doesn't resonate, I don't think it's uh, there's nothing that should compel you to do it I do believe all of this stuff is just they're just Narratives their imaginal act so if they don't interest you or don't have some like Juice they were like I need to know like it's fine. Sixty. Yeah, it's three of cups and In in the tarot in my mind, which is just there's three ladies. They're like celebrating There's these three cups. There's a harvest and it is it's um, it's this collaborative aspect. So 5d would be Kind of this unconditional love acceptance forgiveness if you tune yourself to that frequency people love to be around you Because like you're just like not judging them and everything is good. You kind of have your shit together and they're doing that. Yeah Exactly so people are like well, why would you want anything even past that?

That just sounds perfect and it isn't a lot of ways door number three, man We gotta have door number three. That's why it's three of cups or you could pick what's behind the third door? Yeah, 60 and so yes, 60 is this collaborative energy, which is both Awesome, but also can freak people out because of like the quick up leveling like we were when I was talking about like the Terra on astrology like there are people who have been doing this and studying this for 20 years who charge less than me who Will probably like what the fuck bro? Like what do you who the fuck do you think you are? You didn't put in the man hours to get you what you know, I mean, so It comes with its own challenges and kind of energies And that's why I think there are these dimensions of consciousness that people can identify and say Oh, this is a pretty good energetic blueprint because these are the same energies that would be in like the the wheel of life And like Samsara or Maya for Tibetan like there's different levels and they all come with their different issues They're great, but then there are challenges So 60 for people who embrace it though and like carry that 5D kind of like whatever, it's all good no matter what It's gonna be pretty amazing because you can you can kind of just like hang around someone watch them explicitly even ask them How they're doing something and then very quickly be like oh like there's no barrier for me doing that either But there is this level of sensitivity that I think people who have that ability need to be aware of you You don't want to be like Mozart in Solliary and Amadeus where like Solliary writes that great.

I keep using this example, this is the best way I can think of it. It's like he writes this really cool like fugue or corral or something and it's really beautiful and he plays it for like the king or whoever they're performing for, his patron and then Mozart hears it, comes in and like just plays it like 10 million times, adds all these fucking improvisation. It's like the most beautiful thing and you can see the dude's face, he's like, well I'm fucked. He's like this guy, he's like, this is the next level, like it's like me like two weeks and he doesn't like. So I think there are the level of sensitivity that's needed for people who can do that.

It's a lesson that I think people are learning now.

Yeah.

But yeah, it's fun for everyone. I mean, it's fun, it's the best. So, and that it is a Renaissance period. It's like a spiritual Renaissance. It sounds corny, but that's what it is. So what is your process or trajectory been like though, Coming because you said comedy started for you in 2007. I think I did I see you on Conan or something What did I did the back when it was Ferguson? I did the that's a late light show with Ferguson But now it's like so many I feel like that was three or seven incarnate And like it feels like that person died and then another person took its place and then that also happened 100,000 more times which You know, it's like that. I always always have to have some kind of prince or Terence McKenna quote somewhere in there But there was the the prince quote where he's like yeah, there's a lot of stuff. I don't do Or whatever there's a lot of stuff I used to do that I don't do anymore But then again, there is some stuff that I still do so there's that. Yeah, it's just so the best miss mysterious of What's what stuff is he still doing that would surprise us as a like how much of your your youthfulness?

Are you maintaining throughout this ride and when are you letting it get to you and get to you means? Oh my best days are over that was old me and now I better just be a good Person that can just go and be good so that the world needs to lift it up I suppose it'd be a bit instead of actually like looking at what resonates within you which I mean of course don't Max out all your credit cards and go screaming in the the street and or do that whatever But you don't have to go that far immediately You can maybe just entertain that in that in your head and be like oh that could be fun But it would be so short it would be like a whip it or something. What about something that could?

Yeah, more sustainable dream that you could Live but yeah, you could you don't know what the next ten years you're gonna look like or 20 years You're gonna look like like it seems like people are getting younger. I know that's such a they are It's a woo-woo thing to say but it's synchronicity and you know it's the whole mind-pot network and it's also it's also me so I feel like I've Eventually I would like to not ever Say the and not to sound woo just go straight into it lean completely into it You do it But what it feels like is by the time we do that it's normalized so we don't have to say it So it doesn't feel like that boundary.

Because when we say that, what we're being cognizant of is our own internal, you know, like, oh, is this weird? But also sometimes just intuitively knowing that if people are listening to this, someone may be like, this is really weird. I was with them up until that point. But I don't think it ever stops because we keep pushing the boundaries of like what's weird and what's not. Like three months ago, if you would have told me I've been talking publicly about talking to dead people. I've been like, nope, no way, that's so insane. Like, I don't even know what I would say. And now it's like, I keep bringing it up and shit.

It's like, you know, it's just, there's always more levels of boundaries to push. And if you have a handle on it, you know, you throw the caveat out there to help people who maybe are not there yet. 'Cause there is this spectrum, right? And that's a really important lesson. And I think one that, like in the '60s, like we idealized the '60s, I don't think they caught that. I think they were like, let's just push it as far as, they did that whip it. You know what I mean? They did the fucking whip and it snapped back. Once the wall wall wall was over, they're like, "Oh shit, it makes sense present," like this.

I also think it's like the soda machine like, or the snack machine, like you gotta rack it back and forth a couple of times before it actually tips over. So that was the first tip, and then it maybe swung back a little bit. And now this time it seems like the machine is actually falling over and all the candies are just going to be this bench without having to put the occult symboled green paper inside of the machine.

It seems like that because I think we've popped open enough like alchemical or like her medic secrets that like we can't be constricted or many of us can't be constricted by like external shit and the way it seems. And that's like the ultimate liberator, right? If you're like, hey, you know what? out there seems crazy but I know that's like the effect rather than the cause. Imagine if CNN one day instead of saying whatever shit it was putting out it just had like all this occult knowledge and esoteric stuff. That's what's kind of already happened to us in that we're dictating what's coming in our feeds on the various platforms that we're looking at. So it's like that is what CNN is.

And no one watches CNN. Not the actual one but yeah according to you it is because you used to tune into that now you're tuning into the whatever 12 disciples whatever it is at any point and I've been taught like I'm sure you've experienced this too as you ride the wave of success as reality trans surfing would put it is there's this flow state that you hit not by consciously trying to be in flow but by just kind of accepting everything as flow even if it doesn't seem flowy sometimes like I'm sure you must happen to that a lot because like what's your process for him like how much art do you make a day 16 pounds of art we should weigh our metric pounds he from from your 2019 he went on to produce over 600,000 kilograms of art that really is how we should measure art I think the best way just straight quantification yeah but to answer your question Larry I would like to or I like to make one every day or like have something that some new thing that I've shared every day so whether that's a series of things or just one picture or sometimes I let myself off the hook if I like if I do a a promo post like sometimes it's a you know most of the time it's an it's a thing that's not trying to sell you something but every now and then it's a post trying to sell you the viewer something so I can afford to live because that's what we're we're doing here right now until we're not and that's gonna be so beautiful but we're kissing a goodbye right now but till then we're still doing the like oh I still need that number in the Wells Fargo account to live and Wells Fargo doesn't care how many likes I have or how many eyes I have they only want that number so can you guys help me out if you help me out with the number I'll send you books I'll send you like stuff I'll send you like whatever you want you want shirt or something I'll send it over but help me out with the Wells Fargo number so that's why I post sometimes about like oh here's some new shirt designs here's some new a new book that came out like that's why I post the the things but you would want it to be very little of that you you want the the non-promotional stuff to greatly outweigh the promotional city you can--

You sure? Because for me, I mean, I hear you the non-promotional stuff, but I don't ever see a post of yours and think this is promo. I think like-- - It's not an oil. It's not trying to solve a problem. It's the thing it is, and if you wanna buy it, then you wanna buy it.

Like people started asking me for merch of your logo and stuff, the one that you designed for me, and I'm like, yeah, they want it, And I've never tried to sell March. They're like, they want it because it's cool. And like, it's not like you're selling, you're just saying, hey, by the way, I also, if you're interested, and to me, that's not promo. I mean, it is promotional, I guess, in the sense of like, technically, but like, I don't know. So do you feel weird when you throw in those posts as opposed to just like putting the shit out? Or you're just like--

No, I'm actually, I do have that, that entrepreneurial tendency in me or whatever you wanna call it. Like, I loved, you know, whatever it was. Like, I didn't have a ton of lemonade stands or anything, but I did love that part of the world. I loved haggling at garage sales. Like, if there was a bouncy ball, like, I wanted or something. And they're like, that's $3.00. I'm like, what about 25 cents? Like, fuck you, 25 cents. What about buck 25? What about a dollar? And then, you know, that sort of thing. And then I feel good. Like, I love the negotiation. I used to have a haggle option on my site, which I got rid of because I changed sites and then I couldn't implement it, but I'm thinking about doing it again, whereas people who don't have the $10 to buy the book are like, can I give you $6 for the book?

And depending on what mood I'm in that day, how much inventory I am, I'm like, whatever, six bucks, like a break even sometimes, but then at least I get the joy of having, giving someone the thing.

Yes, which is a fun part.

But I think that we're weird about money where people are so much like, like we've talked about this before, like they don't want to say the numbers. They're like, "Well, it was a lot," or like that, or "How was, don't want to talk about death?" Like, "How did they die?" And I said, "Oh, passed away," or like, "Oh." And sexual, I get the whole don't kiss and tell a thing, but that wasn't also one. Like, people don't describe the stuff.

Or there has to be anonymity that's involved.

Yeah.

Well, the money stuff is definitely weird. I've gotten way more explicit and just letting people know like amounts just 'cause like it doesn't matter as much as we think it does and by kind of bleeping it like I did before or like hiding it behind the scenes, we actually empower that resistance we have to it. I think it's easy to say money is just energy but I think when it's felt as energy like it becomes a lot easier to accept into your life and it's, I don't know exactly how to describe it 'cause my relationship with money I wouldn't describe is particularly healthy before the past six months, paradoxically, it looks like my relationship to money is now insane.

It's like, oh my God, he took out loans, but like--

It's like a chess move, but you understand it, and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, because I don't know, I believe in you know what the, but maybe you make a move where it's like, what the fuck was that move for, and then-- You don't it doesn't show until like six moves later and I know that whole analogy got overplayed with Donald Trump because I don't know Yeah, like Scott Adam said that he played 4d chess or something. So now anytime someone does anything bad It's like no, no, no, they're playing 4d chess and it also doesn't help that we describe 4 or 5d 60 and stuff, but hopefully people the ultimate goal is to be able to Speak however you want in as cheesy as terms and get away with the cliches because of some other Genesay quad that goes in well, that's like I'm sure you've experienced this as a comedian and being around Certain people like sometimes young people. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes my favorite people Sometimes it's not about the content of what someone is saying. It's the way they say it and That is how you get away, quote unquote, with saying cliche things.

It's the same reason that when Jessa during my reading was telling me light warrior or whatever she was saying, I wasn't puking in my mouth, whereas if someone else had said I'd been like, "I don't trust this person." You can hear the authenticity and okay, this person is giving that the ridiculousness it deserves, but also using it because it kind of is what's going on.

It's the arsenal energy.

Yeah, yeah, the arsenal energy.

The Gen X arsenal energy of Jessa.

Gosh, yeah, Gen X. So they're moving millennials, has this happened? How old are you?

35.

Okay, yeah, I'm 36. Do you know they're moving millennials on us?

Cool, are we getting bonded to a different tax bracket?

We're getting, they're calling us Gen Xs now.

Oh, I'm cool with that. Hey guys, sure, they can call me a boomer. They can call me like, they could call me anything.

I don't care 'cause I don't even know who they are. What, Newsweek, Buzzfeed, Huffington Post, Fox News, no Fox News probably doesn't even mention a millennial.

No, but it used to be clear that we were millennials. We were the older millennials, right? That's like, someone said it was like 81 or 82. I'm like, okay, we're in that. But now I just saw it and like, 'cause someone's like, no, you're Gen X. I'm like, I don't think so.

Where did they cut it off? 'Cause the--

85 now they're trying to say?

So 85 and up is millennial.

Yeah. and last samurai, Tom Cruise.

Yeah, what's going on? Like, why are they doing this?

It's cool. I didn't like millennials. It's like a team you didn't like and you get traded. You're like, oh shit, my teammates are number one. They're not as just aggressive. Like, there's too much aggression in the millennials, but I also get that, the arsenal has to tear down the old world. That's why, I mean, Jessica goes into this in depth about the social justice warriors.

Yes, yes.

When they're ultra aggressive, even against their own, where it's like, clearly that person didn't mean any harm, that person's a person of the left, why are they attacking it? And it's 'cause it's they're tearing down the old way of stuff, no exceptions.

It's just like burn it.

Just burn it all.

To build the new, then the image setters and the healers building the new world.

What do you feel like you are?

I think I'm image setter, but--

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I don't think I'm arsenal much. I don't think I have the anger and the like, some people just really have it. They want to be out in the streets rioting and they can also be like, well, it's your privilege to not. I'm like, yeah, it is, my privilege to not have to go. Like, oh, it's a privilege to have dinner with you, sir. It's like that, it's like, yeah, it's my privilege to not want to be yelling out in the streets, but hopefully I can help change the way things are by not doing that, because how are you going to stop it being from loud aggressive shit by doing more loud aggressive shit.

I can't see all that. I can't be all that. Yeah, no, it's impossible, right? If it was all loud aggressive shit, we would be just have the same thing, just the flip polarity.

Yeah, and you're not listening to someone if you're being loud and aggressive towards them.

It's impossible. Well, and the energy is needed sometimes because there needs to be a shakeup, but it's not something you wanna just like stay in. So image setter, that makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons, that's cool. I find we also like, I've been saying this in readings is like, there'll be sometimes like a, I do this destiny spread in the first card, it's a soul card. And it's like, I'll tell people like, your soul is malleable, like you change. You don't stay, like you were born this soul and you're gonna stay like this soul forever. It doesn't make any sense. Logically, if you think about any of this stuff, metaphysically, it just doesn't add up.

So I feel like it's an energy that we work through and kind of experience, which is a more accurate portrayal of like what we're actually doing, do you know what I mean? Because I feel like you can be arsenal sometimes. Like I've opened up to the more destructive qualities of existence in a lot of ways, and maybe it's not like your dominant modality, but like we do kind of like shift into these different realms, you know? Yeah, we've all got all of it in us for sure. I think it's more just what you what you see show up most naturally and which one you're feeding most, which one do you like the most?

Yeah. So you listen to a lot of different stuff and you watch a lot of different stuff. What do you think is going on? What's your conception? What is going on with reality as we speak in the last day of November in 2019? Because something is afoot. I think it's the, for lack of a better word, it's that novelty spike that McKenna would always talk about where the first billion years the universe was around not much happened and then the next one like way more happened and then the first and with each smaller sliver of time as you continue to get plant life and whatever or single-celled life to multi-cellular life to animal life to hominids, to hominids that have the printing press to hominids, you know, the different ages and then the hominids that have internet and then the hominids that don't even need to interface through internet to where it's like we're just kind of neural linking or forget the chip in your brain whether it happens via a chip or whether it happens where we just develop these abilities without the chip maybe it's both maybe it'll forever be that struggle between like there's no such thing as the real until there is and then it just becomes part of the mainstream scientific paradigm, like, oh shit, we didn't know there was gravity waves, or whatever, like things, okay, whatever. And then that just becomes the new norm, but we're definitely like, think of the time in between records to CDs to, or cassette tapes to the CD to the just streaming it to there being everybody as a sound cloud, everybody like having a sound cloud is like having a Facebook or having a podcast is like having a Facebook. Yeah, not exactly, but the numbers are trending towards that for sure where it's just it's yeah tuning into the person let's forget about idols and the celebrities and yeah there's Larry King and David Letterman and those are the people that can interview people otherwise you're a heck and you're not yeah you're not that you're not the one you're not Johnny Carson yeah and then became like you know Ben Mark Marin could do I'm speaking so broadly of course there was it went from being hundreds to thousands to hundreds of thousands to eventually trending up to anybody who would like to And in a way that is also authentically possible, that's where I think, I feel like we saw when technology provided anyone the opportunity to like make music or like have a YouTube channel where it's like, okay, yeah, anyone has the possibility, but some people clearly don't know how to do this to be like prominent.

Now it seems like not only does everyone have the but like I was watching this tick-tock of this girl. I post it on Instagram Of she's just like I don't know four-year-old girl crying hysterically But snap chatting herself and then posting the snapchat and the mom is like seriously and she's like She makes this weird tongue thing and I was like this is this girl is like Probably the funniest thing I've seen in like the past two months And I'm like she can't she's just a person and it's like perfect. It's like perfect art. It's perfect comedy It's like a medicine ops is of what like cultures. I think this is amazing So we've hit this sweet spot of like where technology caught up or not everyone's like, yeah, like what you can make everything But it's all shit. It's like now like there's so much good stuff now and anyone can do it. It's pretty It's pretty nuts, but it's like yeah What though would you say to people who don't sit down?

And they guard every day in one way or the other or aren't aware that they're doing that in a specific way like what There was a period of time where you're a comedian right where you drawing that entire time or did it like start and then you Clicked into it and they're like oh, I'm gonna do this every day. I was all about stand up for let's see like 2007 to I would say 11 maybe, like that was like, I was so determined to work my way from being an open miker, to being a person who could host, to being a host who could be the middle act and to being a headliner, to being on TV, to having a record out, like that's stuff I really wanted.

So like I would just, my whole focus at the cost of any other relationship or job or thing I had. That was my prime directive. And during part of that, I was able to have, you know, another job for some period of time, but eventually I ended up leaving that and wanting to just do the Santa thing. But then the art thing started to creep in as the void of the day job kind of like gave me more time to where there's only so much you can care about writing jokes or something. Because after a while a joke is just whatever, like we kind of get it or they're good, but

There's funnier stuff than stand up comedy. It's like, it's almost like I've come, I still like it a lot, but remember when you're a kid, you just don't care about a person on stage, like talking, you want cartoons, you want something much more stimulating and wild. And then you're going through puberty, I guess, and then you're trying to notice the world and how it's not the way you want. And then there's someone that can kind of show you a different perspective of the world and they can do it without, they don't need a guitar or drum kit or anything. It's like, wow, a person that can just go up there.

If the mic wasn't working, they could just yell Brody Steven's style, and still control the situation. And I just really liked it, and now it's still there, but the hunger is not as much. Which, we're not having hunger sometimes, and you're like, should I make myself hungry? Should I make myself have more desire so I should make stuff? Or should I let myself actually rest and not try to rush this, like, you know, the Brent Weinbach, you know, you're doing too much. Like, you don't want to be doing too much. You don't. I mean, someone comes in, you know, you do it too much. Yeah, it's just being just be chill about like that ability to appreciate the moments where you don't feel like you have to be going a million miles a minute, like in a direction of a creative pursuit.

That's also a big part of like, I think being a healthy creative person. because if we were always a mile a minute, like that's not, that's 100% not sustainable for anyone. Like, and when you look at artists who are like, you could be like, well, that's a creative tour de force. Like, I like a Kanye and Kanye is such a polarizing figure, but like he's pretty creative all of the time, but you know, like you can see him out at like McDonald's and like he needs to decompress from that shit too.

Oh yeah.

So it really is like this thing where like, When you don't feel compelled to be doing like, holy shit, I gotta be doing all this stuff. That should be savored because there will be the point where you're like, oh my God, I gotta do all this stuff. That balance is like, that's what I feel like a lot of what this new age is too, is this balance between those energies? It's not just like full throttled, like utopian bliss all of the time. Not that it can't be, but it is like this balancing act of, I don't know when it plays out many of your time, but like doing and not doing, like that, that seems to be a key part of this for people.

Yeah.

Yeah, which runs counter to our culture 'cause our culture is just constantly--

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.

Yeah, which is too much doo doo, man, good.

That's, what do you think of TM? I was just watching this video of Jerry Seinfeld at the David Lynch Foundation talking about why TM has been so important, right? And so he goes over like how it changed his life And the whole story of it, I'm like, oh, that's so great that they all meditate and stuff. And I thought I knew what transcendental meditation was, but then I realized, do I? Let's look it up. And then I go down the rabbit hole a little bit. And then it turns out, correct me if I'm wrong, if you know anything about it.

I do, I do.

But it's like, it's a thousand dollars and you have to go get a teacher, like that tells you the mantra that you can say and it's your own personal mantra that you can only get from a certified teacher. And it has a very Scientology of meditation feel to it. So it, my first exposure to it was there was a book by the Maharishi who was the founder of it.

The Beatles guy, right?

Yeah. And you know, like a lot of teachers back then, there were good and bad stories. Mia Farrow, I believe had like a very bad experience with him and some sexual thing accusations. So that colored my impression of what it was. I read it.

I could have guessed the sexual allegations.

Yeah, so, a lot of this stuff, like, you know, the Vedic stuff and a lot of the yogic thoughts and philosophy works because it's a stable imaginal act. It is like mantras are stable imaginal acts. So at the end of the day-- - So it's real water, but they're selling you-- - Yes, so.

It bottled up in their bottle.

Shawn and Cass do TM. And they've been doing it since I've known them. and they were the first people who made me rethink it, because when I had the exact same reaction, which was like, what the fuck would you ever need to pay for some probably pointless, it's just the power of suggestion really. So I think on that level, there is kind of that capitalist kind of money element to it that seems a little culty, and I think it is kind of culty, But if it is a valid and practiceable, it is a mindfulness meditation, but you know what else is? Imagination. So it's like to me, I would maybe pick a thing, but I would make it up myself or I would, and I don't use TM.

My meditation now is two things. One is I'll do these imaginal acts, either before I take a nap or just lay down or sleep. And then the other is just when I click into it remember that everything is meditation like legitimately and not as like some cop out so I don't have to sit down and I was talking about this with someone like when I used to try to meditate like all I was doing and I could have done this for infinity years all I was doing was closing my eyes and fighting my mind yeah that is literally all I was doing and all these teachers who I used to work with who are great and they help a lot of people no one seemed to acknowledge and they were like it's monkey mind I'm like yeah sure okay cool. I get that it's monkey mind, except what the fuck is the purpose of monkey mind? It's doing it for a reason. It's because I'm fucked up. That's why, because my mind can't settle down.

I don't think so. So when I found the imagination stuff, I could finally apply my monkey mind to something. And then that same TM mantra thing was just me snapping it back to the the Imagineal Act, but I wondered, so I don't know. I think that, you know, it's like a song. I use song spells, like songs as spells now. Like a song you just love, you can feel that energy. I'll bind it to some Imagineal Act or like, ♪ She's in to superstition ♪ ♪ Black cats and voodoo dolls, that's mine ♪ ♪ There's so many ♪ And there's infinite of them, right? So that stuff works just as well as TM to me. I think TM has helped a lot of very successful famous people. So that gives it that extra pizzazz of like, wow, this shit really seems to work for these famous and successful people. And it is working for them. So maybe there's something special about it. And if you look at the genesis of it, it all adds up started with the Beatles, guess who wants to do what the Beatles did? Howard Stern, guess who wants to do with the Beatles did David Lynch, guess who wants to do what the Beatles did? Who's like the Beatles? Jerry You know what I mean? So it's like it's not that there's anything wrong with it and like guess who can like I'll put it in my Own life guess who wants to go to Equinox me?

I'm a bougie motherfucker wants to be at the best gym. It makes me feel more special to be at the Equinox There's nothing wrong with it It's just that if you make the misapprehension that there's some special juice it in Equinox Like the bikes there work the same as the one in my garage that was 300 bucks I just get to feel a little you know So it's that delicate line between knowing that it's really you and not like some secret words, some mystic yogi gave you. Because you're the mystic yogi, that's the whole thing. So it's valid, but I would personally never say never, but I don't think I would ever, ever pay for someone telling me what I need to say in my head. It's like the extra pool at the equinox.

Let's talk about, so not an argument or anything like that, not that I would be against a fun argument, 'cause whatever, they're the fun games of it, but I'm just trying to figure out how to ask, so what do you think distinguishes the $300 gym from bodybuilders' gym on Hyperion, 40 bucks a month? They don't even tell you to get it. They're like, yeah, if you want it, you can PayPal through the website. The website sucks, the guy is just so awesome, but it's a great gym and it's just weights and machines and they don't try to be like, "Well, you should get a trainer or you should move out." They don't try to upsell you.

It's bookstore, like that old joke, the Todd Berry joke about the bookstore, it's like the lowest sales pressure stuff ever, where it's like, just like, why buy it? Read it here. We've got coffee too, and all that.

How do you stop, yeah.

So, but what are some, is there, like, I guess I'm trying to like peek into Equinox 'cause I don't wanna go to it, but I want to know to it. And like, they're cool. What are we talking about?

There's a vibe there that if you don't find it disgusting is very fun. And it's just like, people are there to be like very, like I am here at Equinox. I exercise like this. And I don't know how to describe that vibe, but that's number one. Number two is from the practical reasons. So I was lucky, I didn't plan this, but there's usually like an initiation fee that's like a fuckload of money, like 500 bucks or something to join. But they're like, hey, did you know it's Black Friday? And there's no fee. And I'm like, fuck yeah. So the facilities, I've only been to two. I went to the one with Duncan's on West Hollywood, I think.

That's so funny that Duncan goes, but also not funny 'cause it's totally, like you could see him going one way or the other, like easily.

Yeah, Duncan likes nice shit too, it's nice. And I went to this one in Westwood and the Westwood one has a pool But I will tell you this as someone who has never belonged to a gym other than the YMCA when I was like younger The showers there are fucking awesome comes with the shampoo. They're better than any shower. I've ever had yeah The keel's product. It's like it's fucking you feel good little a stoop. Yeah, it's like there's no It's just like they got it all there. It works the way it's supposed to be very crowded No, it's somehow Not and I mean I get there early like I just signed up. I get there usually I'll be there like seven or eight And it's only in California or some no no so this is the other this is the real reason We're not worldwide nationwide. It is worldwide, but I think yeah the the real thing is The level above the one I'm at Gives you access to all of them wherever you are so if like I'm in New York I could go to the club and I think that's the most expensive level but I do like the idea that if I'm gonna be traveling, that like I could just walk into Equinox, it feels like an Equinox.

The classes and all that stuff is in like, cluted. I've never been a class person just 'cause I've never belonged to a gym, but I do like the cycling, so like I could see doing a Soul Cycle thing or something like that. It's just, I don't know, like there's, it's the same reason that I would have thought like driving around in a Mercedes was dumb and stupid, but like since I got here, they give me the rental cars at that level and they're like, I don't know how to describe it. It's like pleasurable. And if you don't find it icky, it's like, mm, I like this. Oh, I totally get a nice things thing.

I just wanted, and that's a good way of putting it, but I want to maybe I should just go look in one, one time, because I've got-- Do you guess they'll give you a trial? I've got an iron will of the same way I earlier I described, I liked haggling. The way that some people can't go into a store without buying anything, or if they get a little bit of sales pressure, they collapse. I've got an iron will of not giving you money. I'll bring you right to the last step and then just float out of the room and...

Come to...

So I can try that.

Come to Equinox. I can give you a guest pass.

Scientology scares me though, so I won't do it to there.

The second person who mentioned Scientology to me here.

Oh, it's just kind of around, I guess.

It's, I guess the thing is, is that, I mean, Scientology is real in the same way that anything else would be real, right? It's just to me, it's like the reptilian stuff, which I think is real too. It's just like I'm jumping off at the ground floor. Like I don't need to go up this OT, whatever level is to get there, but I can see if this imagination is true, then Scientology is true for those who believe it. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's the whole simulation thing. So anything can happen because as soon as you start to describe it, you're like creating it and for lack of a better word, like, you know, the world is made of language. It's you're you're constructing that story of how that rule set works with this reality and how you can game it And some people need some kind of structure to follow in order to because you know, just having no structure. They can't They couldn't imagine their way out of it without getting tangled up because that's what this Experience packet is all about I guess but why does it scare you Scientology in particular just because oh no It doesn't actually scare me. I just kind of off-handedly said that because in my head I thought I should just go to the equinox with no intention of joining and check it out and Like when they're said to be like, oh, yeah, Mr. Nazer We were wondering if you wanted to go ahead and sign that deal. We're only offering this for two more days I don't have to answer another human being when I'm in when I'm in not give you money mode You're not a human being to me outside of that everyone is, you know, all love and everything But when I'm playing that game, it's a fun game. I mean, it's also like a good I I don't want to say suck it negotiating. I've gotten better But like it is not I'm realizing I need someone in as a proxy for me because I'm just like yeah Whatever that sounds reasonable. It's like money isn't a thing. No problem. That's how much it costs So I'm realizing I'm not that's a good skill. I think in business and in life to have it's like a boundaries thing, too But it also doesn't matter if you're giving away most of your apples But your apple tree is like giving you lots of stuff that doesn't matter if you're giving lots of it away Or I like hearing stories of people like that. I remember so I loved Red-hot chili peppers growing up. They're my favorite band when I was little and so I knew their whole they were like Beatles to me where everyone knew the Beatles stories and like various things like I would know various things about them and I remember it really stuck with me that John Froucheante, the guitar player, didn't have any credit cards and he didn't know how to drive a car And if the pizza guy came over he would just tip him like ten thousand dollars or something like that Just completely didn't care about that's what I'm envisioning so people And he's I think he has more money than ever there and has so this is kind of what I've been opening up to with money. I think when spiritual quote-unquote people or let's just say good like authentic people who recognize that money can be used negatively when they start thinking about themselves having a lot of money or having access to a lot of money they get they start to feel weird and they don't think about things like that like imagine that like you have i don't know just in a shit ton of money hundreds of millions billions whatever and like your friend it's like it's not nothing serious but you could could see that they like want this car and really do like and you could be cool about it and not be like I'm giving this you because I'm important you could just really do like I don't mind do you want it and like and if they're capable of accepting it you could just that's so much the idea of that is so much fun to me that for it to not happen almost seems improbable yeah I mean go the extra step so they don't even know it's you like put a good take them to the mall and have a sweepstakes things planted there which like ultimately there is no sweep mistakes things but then a week later it's like holy shit you won the you won the thing that's crazy that's a good idea but then he'd probably be like my friend does have one hundred trillion dollars maybe he did have something to do with this what a strange man yeah they'd be like what why is he doing that why does he just give me it yeah money is uh I think that's one of the last things that is being kind of hacked right as Jessa would say it's just because it it is such a, it's what most people associate with security and stability.

So to hack it requires upending people's stability and security and to do that without being out, it is like not easy for most people to think, oh my God.

It's like an exposure therapy. I seriously believe people would benefit greatly by treating it like the way Silly Putty is very firm at first, but the more you are like kind of touching it and moving around, it becomes more malleable. and we're so afraid to touch it. Like we're holding onto it as though it's like this physical thing that will not grow if some piece of it goes away. So it's like, you should be moving it around and pieces of it should be circulating like an airport. And it should be a flow. Like we do it naturally with breath. We're not like, "Should I exhale?" All right, I'll exhale a little bit 'cause I need it.

I exhale a little bit, but instead of just like, you don't even think about it. You don't think about your breath. You don't think about your blinking. You just kind of-- - Your circulatory system.

Heart beats completely fine. Like we have so much natural rhythm where we just, we are the band, but we're like, oh, what should the band do? When really the band is like 0.001% of--

Right. - Our natural sustainingness.

And that's, I think, a way to deal, to make it like autonomous, right? If money was circulating through you and within and without, if you look at anything like that, whether it's like creativity, That's like a healthy, it's like that Taurus, you know what I mean, like the Taurus thing. That's what I picture when I think of that. And I think what a lot of people are doing, are like clearing those channels and it's like this 360 degree Taurus and you gotta clear all these different channels to get stuff to flow in.

But the problem is with the breadth analogy, like if you don't figure out your inhale for whatever reason, you've atrophied so much to where you have exhaled all of it and you just cannot do an inhale. Yeah, you could like lose this round of the game and not be in this incarnation anymore, but it's Well, that's what happens. Yeah, that's how we are with the money. That's what happens. Yeah, I don't I just have a feeling It seems like even in the past and like regular 3d Logical the people who pursued their dreams and their passions like unequivocally even if there was like rough patches And maybe we just don't hear about the people who did that and fucking failed But I do it does very much seem like the people who really went all in and risked it all They do succeed because that seems to be the feedback of life Like if you love your life so much with the idea of your life so much like it loves you back Yeah, it starts giving you the things where it's like whoa I didn't know I could have that because it's us right. I mean I think that's what this whole thing is right. It's crazy. Yeah Yeah, so Music when did you get what were you playing a show? What were you saying you were doing in Palm Springs? Yeah?

Oh, so my friend Drennan. He's another comedian. He does a lot of looping Stuff and characters and it's a whole big circus of stuff that he does not just the looping but Yeah, he he's you can look up clips of him. Whatever. I'm trying to Drennan Davis, but yeah, he was doing a a show at the Ace Hotel in Palm Spring. So me and let's see Julia Rossi and Will Miles and Brook Van Poplin all did like 20, 25 minutes each in front of a lounge with some kids there and we all kind of squirmed a little. Some of us got them for a little bit but for the most part we all squirmed and it was a good time because if you're gonna squirm it's good to be like out of town that are not very important high profile show and kind of get some material out of the way like okay good and then I oh I also know that that one isn't as solid as I thought so it's it's good to have that call back to reality and it's so fun to talk about like talking about doing well in on a stand-up show like for a podcast thing that's like that's not that interesting but But it's like, oh, tank, how did it, how did the tank, where did it, where did it go?

Like, was there a guy dancing in the intro music that wouldn't stop and kept like raising his fists in the air and kind of made the whole vibe crazy. And there's a door that people were going in and out of. And for some reason there was two four-year-olds there. So most of the non-G-rated material people were hesitant about. One joke I had, like, which I don't have a lot of diarrhea jokes or anything. but one of them has that word in it.

Also, suitable for four year olds.

They love that shit.

There was a mom that covered her kids' ears and took her out of the room.

For diarrhea?

Do you swear to my mother or swear to someone?

My three and a half year old think there's nothing funnier than farting on people in diarrhea.

Oh.

So.

Then he's got a good head on it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that's his, that's his fucking vein. That's fucking crazy.

But it's fun to go out there. And the other, I've done that same room, like three or four times, and the other times were all fantastic, for some reason. This is a weird night. Yeah, and not to put the blame on the audience, like, because we could have just all sucked into the group hallucination of it, but, you know, I tend to, it's not a blame way, but sometimes it is them. Look up the, all the petriestoneal stuff I always bring up, like where he'll, he was someone who if he was bombing he would take everyone down with them like he wanted to take the whole room down like oh you're gonna ruin this this experience for all of us well I'm not even gonna try to I like not and then or the way Bill Burr like basically took on five or ten thousand Philadelphia arenas booing the stage and he just roasted the the entire city until like they turned around yeah like by the end they had turned around because he just was nailing him at every single angle like and has that knowledge whether it's you know historically or sports stuff like was attacking at all yeah and because I think they had sensed that the people previous were soft so if they can feel that then they they want to do something about it and yeah see a comedy is endlessly fascinating to me just because it's the one of the most raw dynamics whether it's stand-up or even like sketch stuff it's just there's something about it that's so raw and unadultered when presented as such that whether it goes great or like I remember when I first came to LA like two years ago my friend Mikey Campman who oh yeah he's good friends with the Doug

Did you get a pound?

Yeah, yeah. Mikey is, I'm friends with his dad. His dad is really fucking cool.

Oh, so you go way, way back?

No, I met--

And Duncan's good friends with him.

Yeah, that's how I met him. So I met Mikey and Johnny Pemberton on Duncan's bus when he came to DC, when I was living in DC. So I met them 'cause Duncan was outside like signing autographs, basically.

He had a bus back then?

Yeah, he had a bus, Squarespace fucking did the whole thing.

Wow, for your God tour?

Yeah.

That's cool. - Yeah, it was cool. But that's how I got to know Mikey. And then I had Mikey on, but then his dad, I somehow got to connect his dad's like super into dreams, and like I've had him on a bunch. But when I got in, we went to this comedy show, I was staying with my friend, Yoshino, who's on MimePod Network, and we went to this comedy show, and it was like, so like it was clear. It was just comedians that I think me and my friend were the only two people there who weren't comedians. So it was like just this den. And it was bomb after bomb after. and it was like the type of bomb where some people were just like shit face drunk, like pouring out like their deep psychosis and pain.

And my friend was like, this is sad, I hate this. And I was like, I fucking, it's like, I get like, and I didn't mean it in like a hateful, I was like, this is amazing to watch.

Maria Bamford.

Yes.

So Maria has this old bit where I hope I'm getting it right, but how she's talked about her, one of her friends wants to do stand up, but he's like, Yeah, but I don't want to do those sad, you know, open mics or those coffee shops where no one's listening. And she's like, that's all it is. That's the whole thing. And like kind of saying that those big theater specials where everything goes swimmingly, like those are the rare pockets, which isn't completely true. Sometimes you'll just have a killer year and you're like selling out everywhere and really grinding. But if you want to really grow, you have to also, you have to subject yourself to some punishment, otherwise you're not gonna grow.

You become one of those people that you can tell their latest special is just, they've been playing to their audience.

Yeah, the same type of tropes in the show.

And their audience already likes them, so they get the benefit of the doubt, so the material is never as strong as their first hour where they had to prove it to the whole world. So the people that still, of course, play to your crowd, but also try to find people that wouldn't know who you are necessarily.

And can grow with you too. Like that's, those are the best comedians. Yeah, the state of comedy is also just getting rocked right now.

In both directions, because there's the, what did they describe mass? Like, you know, it's the ultra woke gender neutral everything social justice warrior side on one. And then there's the other spectrum of just like, no, we're gonna tell it like it is still. And just not, they're not all, they're not alt-right, but they sometimes get put as alt-right because people don't even look deep enough to see what it is, 'cause they're so disgusted by that. They're like, whatever, you're all the same.

Yeah, you're the same, you're Nazis at this point.

It's kind of ending, yeah, but it's, you know, those people who are still not afraid to say politically incorrect things and be provocative and that kind of thing, and sometimes those people still don't have a sense of humor either, but it's--

Right, I mean, you can take that too far and just make it not funny.

But when people, I guess the point I was trying make is that when people say like, oh, it's all this now. Now comedy is this. It's like, no, it's split. It's both of them more intensely. And that's how the thing goes. It splits and gets more complex while also retaining the characteristics of its previous thing. Right. And I think that is what is emerging now, at least from the comedy that I really enjoy. It typically borders on the absurd if it's sketched based. right? Like, uh, my favorite thing that I've seen recently was, uh, Tim Robinson stuff on Netflix. It was just this brilliant, I was like, this is amazingly funny. It's so fucking weird. They just double down on every like inappropriate situation. I was like, this is a good formula. I like this. And then people, like comedians, as best as I can tell their role is to interpret reality for people in a way that alchemizes maybe shitty things into funny things or just anything into into something funny and given that reality is getting so weird now that like the truly funny people that emerge from this or like have been there and can adapt to it, like that's gonna be like a totally more satisfying type of humor that will also allow both sides of that to be like, oh, that's funny, like it's not related to the polarity of like social justice or like activism or like railing against like people with feelings and shit.

It's a fucking incredible, I feel like this is happening with everything too.

Yeah, it's so fun.

The whole thing is getting all too many people to keep track of and there's not gonna be that. I can't think of anyone who's like really broke big, or that's not true. There has in the last like three years, but it always changes. It's harder to put your independence on it 'cause there is just more people and it's about their different tribes. So there'll be someone who are like, "Oh, I've never even heard of them," but they sell out arenas apparently. And you can't sometimes even peg what their person is. It's like so diverse, but there's not just one person who's the, I've got a diverse audience person.

There's tons of people who have audiences that you can't just put as like a certain, you know, ethnicity or anything or political alignment or whatever.

Yeah, I saw this with Spotify. Like I'll look at some like artists and I'm like, wow, this song is amazing. I bet no one knows about them. and then I'll go see like two million people are listening to this part. Like how is that possible? And then you're like, oh shit.

I just learned who Sean Mendez was, what's his name? You've heard of him? Is that the guy you were bringing up?

No. - Oh, you know him?

Yeah.

Okay, I'm just trying to figure out why your reaction was like, oh yeah.

No, no, Sean Mendez just because I found out about him, like I had heard the name, but then I found out about him, like I went through like a very heavy like pop like straight main lining pop music I'm like oh my god. I forgot pop is like the best like there's a reason it's popular. Oh I haven't even heard like I don't know I know he has the guitar yeah I don't know his songs but I know that he started playing guitar in like 2012 or 13 from watching YouTube yeah videos of like John Mayer and other people but he's surpassed John Mayer in terms of popularity right now yeah by a lot like John Mayer like he'll has like five million followers on whatever. Oh, no, it's not even close Yeah, he has like ten times as many and it's like that's such a recent thing like how long ago was that six?

Seven years. Yeah barely John Mayer is now touring with Grateful Dead dead and company. Uh-huh. That's what I saw Sean and Cass when I was over there last time They're like we're gonna watch this and they put it on like some stream. Oh, that's their religion. They love they love the dead Are you into the dead I haven't gotten into it yet. I don't even know I don't even know if I've dared to utter that in front of them Oh, no, no, please edit this out, but I plan on getting to that's what I say, but come on I've got a lot on my plate I've like do you know how much stuff I put on watch next then I never actually went back and watch next and there's so many Playlists on so many platforms that some of them I'm still paying for and I shouldn't pay for it anymore because I don't use it But it's just then I have to go to the website and let's I don't want to look at the computer right now So I'll do it tomorrow, and then you forget until you're on a podcast the podcast goes to different places You don't remember to cancel, but whatever subscription So I signed up for Disney plus Why not if you're into Star Wars and Pixar and I mean Disney stuff is is great And but it's just so easy to hate because they're so big and you're like oh another streaming service now I'm gonna have to pay another ten before you had to pay what ten bucks to rent a VHS movie and there was ads before it Yeah, and they'd charge you more if it was late and they could charge you more than the movie itself And you had a rewind the fucking thing. Oh, yeah, they made you scan your own bags in a sense You get charged more if you didn't rewind it like we're not gonna rewind it They all said that there's not like you'd think one competitor would be like Oh, well, why don't we be the rewind people we can sell the rewind and then people who don't want to rewind can sell the fucking It's so funny that the world is already done like right think of the world of us being these anthropoid apes with the 10 fingers and 10 toes like that's been going on for who knows millions the VHS that was just a blink just like not even 10 years like okay fuck this we're not using this and we just accepted it both ways so we're like all right this is where we go to watch movies and then we're like oh we don't go anywhere just like cool yeah it's nuts

I haven't really thought about it.

The hammers stood awhile. Hammer's been around here for awhile and things like that, but the VHS just are tools versus this latest interaction of connection and media tools. Like that's the thing that's on the ramp that's propelling us to.

It's just like, it's weird that we do have these technological like.

'Cause I don't think you would have found out as much stuff as you would have had it not been for that the inner connectivity of interviewing the guests you've had on or being able to listen to things. like, so you've gotten all these downloads.

Yeah, but the truth is, is most of the downloads that shaped who I am, which I think led to me being able to talk to people, came from no technology that exists physically. Like, that's what fucking was so crazy about all of this. It's the same way with like the tarot in astrology. It's like, I'm not, I didn't read a bunch of books. coming from inside the house.

Yeah, it's exactly, it's exactly. It's coming from inside the house.

I think Jessa would talk about how the cards were just a tool, like she's doing the reading. So it's like, it's not like you instantly picked up Tarot and like did that, it's already in you so that you would naturally know how to use that tool by being able to read through the actual connection.

Yeah, that is what it is, but the way it clicked for me when I did so many of them, same thing with astrology is I started to fully understand my way of reading as I go. It's not me. I've started to incorporate more of me, but I really trust that this person who's getting the reading is they devised this very complicated, imaginal scene where they needed to use me, some guy they heard on a podcast, tell them something about these cards or their chart. But in reality, it's their unconscious unfolding something they want to know about themselves so that took all of the pressure off me to be like performative and it's just like oh I'll just interpret what the cards are like I know these ways to do that but interestingly now for a lot a decent percentage of the last few readings dead people have been coming through And so like I have to do this game of like how much do I want to just say this stuff and like do I tell the person?

And like I've been right so far like with everyone. I've told but like I definitely don't want that timer. I'm like yeah You're dead grandma's saying something like fuck you Just have that finger on the end call button. Yeah, but it's still the same thing. Yeah, that is Creepy do you try to be straightforward as you can yeah, I mean I try to be straightforward without fucking people up because I Only say it if I'm very sure number one that it's not me Because I won't I would never want to put that on because like my whole thing like I said This is other people like that the parent is the person who's the cards are so the only reason I've been doing it I'm like listen if they set up this thing where these cards are them they may have also set up this thing where like some you know narrative where like a dead person talks through someone and I usually know enough and it's like usually whatever the dead person is saying and when I say dead person they're just like in a different dimensional reality if they're not dead they're just somewhere else um they've never said anything like objectionable like they're not like they're a fucking loser like tell them they suck at that like remember when they fucking drop that glass that my house fuck them it's it's usually like something like you know you're the healer in the family like you know you have to help your parents because you're the smart was shit like that so or like a son who passed was like you know he he taught me something he taught me a technique that I was like I didn't come up with that shit so usually it's that type of stuff which makes it a little easier to share because even if if it was just me going crazy.

It's like, okay, well at least I'm a nice kind of crazy. It was like saying nice and helpful things.

Yeah.

But yeah, it's one of those things I think, I don't open myself up to it very much. Mezcal though, do you drink Mezcal?

Never even heard of Mezcal.

Okay.

Mezcal?

It's alcohol. I'm not a big alcohol. Are you a big alcohol drinker?

No, I went through a phase, but never had a problem with it. and never, never did anything that, you know, you can't, never did anything bad.

Like normal, you had a normal relationship and it was like, I like other things better, probably. Yeah, so that was my relationship with most alcohol. My sister goes down to Mexico, it comes from the agave plant and she's been doing this for like a decade, a long ass time and it's, she's always been trying to get me to taste it and I'm like, it tastes gross, I don't like it. It's like a mystic, psychic juice alcohol.

Oh, it's insane dude, it's insane.

Can you get it here?

I have some with me, it's, yeah, you can get it here. My sister is like who you wanna, like if you wanna get some, like she'll tell you what to get. Like it's not the most expensive, it's like she knows the one.

Let's break that down or for lack of a better word.

Yeah.

As I say with everything, break, 'cause that's not the way you should look at everything. It's like, what are its component parts that we can destroy it and then examine? How do you explain this phenomenon by breaking it down? Sometimes that is good, but how is it psychic? What are some of the effects that you've noticed from taking this substance?

So my sister has all these different ones, and so she'll be like, "This one was made with peyote. "This one was made with snake. "This one was made from this place." And so they take on the energies, like there was a death mezcal, and there was this story about the first person who took it. He saw his dead grandfather started talking to him, And then when my sister had it, this song played that my grandfather wanted played at his funeral, which was Kansas dust in the wind, and then she was thinking of him and she told the guy that, and he's like, "That's freaking me out." That's the death Mescau.

They each have their own unique properties as I understand it. I'm not an expert, but what I can tell you my experience has been for a good Mescau. You don't get drunk. You don't get drunk. And it's strong as shit. It's like, you know, 100, it's like 40, 50 proof. It's fucking strong. Tastes like alcohol, big time. Shit just starts to get real, wavy, man. It's like whatever barriers there are between like this world and the liminal boundary, that liminal boundary between this world and like the imaginal realm.

Of course, don't operate a vehicle on it, but can you even walk on it?

Yeah, I mean, it's alcohol. So like, it's kind of like the way that absent is like a funky alcohol that has these psychedelic properties.

So I was saying to my sister, 'cause she brings it back from all these places, I was like, this is drugs. She's like, yeah, no one knows. Like they don't care, they think it's a Mexico shit. They don't understand. - Oh, so wonderful.

The ignorance of it. Marijuana could have been like that.

Exactly.

But then William Randolph Hearst or whatever the story is.

Yeah, so that, but I'm telling you do this stuff, like literally, so every time I've done it and either done a reading or pull some cards or just like try, you know, it's like, it's like spirits, like, and you understand why they called them spirits back in the day and why the name's stuck because like, you are really like jumping into this. And like, as for me, I've been pretty pejorative and like, dismissive of alcohol, just because it seems like a lot of people the energies that have attached themselves to that stuff. It's not good for people. There's a lot of like, ancestral Karma and shame for either addicts or what Native Americans in this country had happened to them when it was introduced and all over the world So I usually don't like tapping into that cuz it's a lot, but this mess cow shit. It's a fertility goddess thing It's a divine feminine thing Highly recommend it. It's fucking if I think for people who want to experience like psychic Powers so to speak and not question whether it's like hey am I making this up in my head like it's a pretty good thing to grease those wheels.

Mezcal, that's crazy. Just when you think you've seen all the things and like have you even heard of this one? No, I haven't, but--

And it's trendy. It was like very trendy, I think, especially in Los Angeles, but in New York too. It was like a trendy fun thing to do, but--

'Cause people fuck on it. I don't feel like that makes things trend more. Like that's a more-- - Alcohol.

Yeah, it's more likely to be a thing. If it can produce that effect-- - That's actually a really good point. Like with the mushrooms and when we would have orgiastic sexual styles or I think you should just do a bunch of series on fucking and see how popular it is relative to non-fucking because I think that's actually a really good point. People fucking is what determines the fuck theory. I'm sure there's already some evolutionary biologists that like his whole life is around like for lack of a better word like you know there's like game theory like this guy.

The fuck theory.

The fuck theory, like, I guess it's Christopher Ryan.

But Christopher Ryan didn't want to be known as the sex guy after sex had gone. So he wrote, he wrote what's it called?

No one knows. - Civilized to death, which I've started, but I haven't.

'Cause it's not the sex book. It's not as trendy as the sex book.

Yeah, where's, where are you gonna get to the monkeys fucking?

And then the monkeys slowly become us?

You really just made like alarm bells go off in my head for music making, it's like fuck theory.

Fuck songs. More songs that make people want to have sex this time. And if you think about it.

Yeah, that's why the stuff that's popular is popular and not in a judgmental way, but of course that's why it is. That's what you want to play in the, you don't want to play the sad song unless you want people to leave the club. That's when it's closing time. That's when it's closing time. ♪ You don't have to go anywhere except not here ♪

The worst song to hear the bar.

Yeah, you know that song's not about a bar, right? You know what's about cocaine, you know what's about. I'm working on, all right, I haven't even worked on The Bit but I had a seedling of an idea of a bit of a character that is like this.

Do that.

The person that every song is like, you know that song is about sex, right? You know that song's not about sex, right? You know what's about the relationship with his father. You know what's not about his father, right? You know, it's about cocaine. You know, it's not about cocaine.

That's an endless bit, too. You should totally develop it and pick songs. 'Cause it's endless and there's so many people.

Yeah, like shut up about the song. It's whatever half I'm completing in my head. I don't know the lyrics most of the time. I don't care what the dude's actual thing was.

I have a funny story about that. So my mom was at like, I think some psychedelic conference or some thing somewhere. And the guy who wrote "Puff the Magic Dragon" was there. And he got up and he's like, "I just want to be clear. This song is not about weed." And he's like, "Dude, it is." You might not know if that song is 100% about weed. You can't control that.

It got channeled through you, you didn't pick it.

He's like, "I like that he's upset that he's so cheated." He's like, "Dude, what did you think?"

Yeah, people just hate being cornered off, like, "No, I'm a bigger, more expensive artist than that. Just be happy you even got that."

That's a good song. - That's more than most people get.

Yeah. - Oh man, I love it.

That's funny, that was like, stuff people actually listened to. They were bumping to that or whatever, bumping is that?

That is the funniest thing to me. If you like go and pick like a random song from like the 20s or 30s, and it was like the most popular song, and you play it like loud in your car, you're like, "What is this age? What were they doing?"

Did you see that meme of the Spotify playlist of worst songs to fuck to? It's got a picture of the eggplant with the cigarette cross sign on it.

What were the songs?

Man, I should remember at least one of them.

I don't remember a-- - The Benny Hill song. That would be a bad one.

Diamond Island, I got to go, Diamond Island, I got to go.

That would not be-- I mean, that's what the song implied, right? Like that he eventually, like, what was he gonna do? He just has like, just gorgeous after.

He's chasing me infinitely.

Yeah, I mean, he must--

He tires him out like the way that, you know, in the Sapien's book, they say we're the best distance runners. So like we could chase after a gazelle and it's faster than us, but we're more relentless. We're like terminator compared to it. So it eventually has to rest 'cause of the way it distributes calories. Our body is set up to, so yeah, what if he had more, the ways of that, so that was his strategy.

I think it's pretty effective because that's funny.

That's so funny that that was a thing. Just the guy chasing after a one.

That's what I was laughing at. I was like, this was the thing. It was it and we all saw it like when we were watching regular TV and then an ad for it came up Or that's our first idea of Great Britain or like yeah, what they this what they like. This is what it all is It's just this dude Dude running up young women Man simple times simple times still there I mean you can watch all before it was like well I'm never going to have this VHS like I cannot imagine ever spending the little money I have to have that video arrive at my house so that I could watch it win, but you saw it like in the Infomercials, but now you can watch all of them and they're not even that stimulating probably. It's probably like it's probably not as scandalous as we remember. It's probably like super tame like they could play it on Network TV. Well, it's funny just because it doesn't have the same It does it's like entertaining in a completely different way. It's like Entertaining in the way like how did they think that this was? Oh?

Like how is this a thing that they did? I mean Benny Hill I haven't watched it in a long time, but I don't ever really remember being like this is my jam What if it is like very in-depth and like that the chasing thing was just 1% of it and it's like no There's dialogue parts like a Tarantino flick where it's like half of it's the violence and half of it's the the banter You got to listen to the banter of Benny Hill where he's talking about chasing Yeah, yeah, it's like a whole deep philosophical comedic bent. It's somehow I doubt it Man, this is a video. This is an awesome man. I think we did it Is there anything else that you want to talk about that I didn't bring up? No, I think we know that it just all comes from the imagination and that Anything we else describe we're just kind of spending more stuff so Hey listener close your eyes and actually ask yourself what you actually want and your ears to close your eyes and your ears And ask yourself what you really like and then All right, there you got it. Good. Then we don't need to see anything else. Yeah We do end with three questions though. Oh, right seven cat and purple seven purple favorite pet seven favorite color cat favorite Number practical tip practical tip. That's the question. Yeah, you need to share a practical tip That has helped you in your life that you can share with people listening find a way to If you're struggling with habits and wanting to do something whether it's exercise or create music or create art or Write more material or write whatever thing whatever thing you're trying to accomplish if you're finding that you're not getting it done find a way of keeping track of How many days in a row you do it whether you use an app or whether you just write it down on a piece of paper I like to use an app, but I mean, it's whatever you don't need anything even if you do it in your head But it's better to write it down what app do you use streaks streaks?

Yeah, it just lets you set up a goal Mm-hmm and it it has a little psychological effect where you want to the the thing to be complete and see the chain where like no I don't want to break my seven-day streak. So if you're struggling with that, I'm a big believer in Consistency is the only way you can improve, like that's the only thing we get to control, like it's like putting one more vote chip in the, you know, reality you want, like voting for that, voting for that up, up, up, yes. More closer, closer, closer. What if it doesn't happen? It will, one, closer approaching. Exactly. Like, relentlessness is the way you're gonna get it, which is why so many people when they see some kind of, if you're trying to communicate an imaginal thing, like in an Instagram post or something, it's going to be just a sound bite, a limited version of what you're trying to explain.

So it's like, oh, but what if blah, blah, blah. It's like, yeah, of course the what if blah, blah, blah. Like, but the overall big thing, which you can control, which is the daily, every day, that's the way you're gonna do it. So, you know, trying to mix Neville Goddard with David Goggins.

It is, and that's what worked for me. That is literally, there was a period of two weeks where I was trying to reconcile Goddard versus Goggins.

They're both Gogg.

They're both Gogg. And so I basically saw them both put into action on one specific day where I both had to exert myself physically in a crazy way and then hitchhike the rest of the way to this train station and without either of them, I wouldn't have got there. At all, period. So they're equally as valuable. Isn't it funny how Goddard has God as the first three letters and then Goggins is like I did the G and then the O and then I tore my sore ass muscle had to be in the hospital for 18 days Now we're back to day one week one motherfucker G. Yeah, G-O-G It goes like that forever G-O-G O-G-O-G You don't ever get to D you don't never get there now with him. Do you listen to his podcast? He's got one now I think I don't think he's got his own

He, I thought that what the book was, oh did he just pull that from other interviews that he had done?

Possible, I don't know if he sits down in front of a microphone because he doesn't seem like that type of problem.

No, that's not something he allocates time in the day to.

Sit down and talk, say the same old shit.

Yeah, he's like, he's running up a mountain in like minus 40 degree weather in shorts and broken toes or he's punishing himself for lack of a better word to gain that callousness of the mind because with him also it comes back to the mind and how the mind can overcome anything and we're only tapping into 40% when we think we're really done and we think we're dead. It's like, you're still at 40%.

You're still at 40%?

That mother that can lift up the car because of the adrenaline. Like that's within you regardless of the adrenaline 'cause like you manifested as a physical being that has the adrenal gland. like you made the factory. Like you manifested yourself as a thing that even has that in you. So like you're very, very powerful at the root, but we're trying to get out of a straight jacket. That's what the fun of putting on a straight jacket is to show how fast you can get out.

Poudini, that's what we've been doing. We're getting out of our straight jacket and some people are trying to put it on but you're getting out of the straight jacket.

You're getting out, yeah. Oh man, this is awesome. I mean, thank you.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Oh yeah, we're in my place.

Yeah.

I don't just like fall down a trap door into the dumpster outside, which that would be so fun to do to my guest if there was a dumpster.

A dumpster button?

Yeah. Well, good night. Thanks for coming on. Oh, what was the, oh yeah, practical advice. I already said it.

Cool. Cool, man. Awesome.

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