Everything Is A Ponzi with Sean and Cass

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Welcome to Synchronicity, podcast still going on. Also for those who are seeing this, you probably don't have this issue, but apparently it's not, Synchronicity is not showing up for everyone in their podcast apps. I don't know why. It's just something that happened. So if that's happening to you, I don't know what to say, but it's there for those who want to find it. My guest this week, Sean and Cass, my dear friends from the Very Eight Podcast, go check them out on every platform. Before I get started with this episode, big shout out to my guys at Ned. Hello, Ned.com, use the code SYNC, S-Y-N-C at checkout.

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We're cracking the code of financial independence. Who doesn't care about that, right? It's fun times. No vaccine talk. That's fun. I think we maybe mentioned it once. A reminder, whatever your preferences are related to vaccine or anything else, just the, be tolerant, that's all. What else? Nothing. This show is mainly taking place two times a month now. So if you want extra stuff, go to the Patreon. That's where everything is going on. We mentioned a few times in here. It's the community is getting a little more interwoven over in the Discord and the Patreon. So if you really wanna keep continuing this fun times, that's where to go.

That's patreon.com/synchronicity. It's good stuff. The second, this is a two-part conversation. The second part of this conversation will be available on the very eight podcasts. There'll be links to that. Go check it out. That was also a good continuation of what's going on. We're just gonna be having fun, guys. That's kind of the commitment for this show and everything else that I'm gonna be doing. Fun times, I think that makes sense, right? That's what people want. Fun times, yeah. We'll talk about crazy shit too, but fun times. All right, that's it for this intro. Without further ado, here are my dear friends, Sean and Cass.

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Yeah, they're back. How long has it been?

Oh man, I don't know. When I get up here, it feels like we were here last week, but it's usually like four months.

Every time I come up here, we have such a good time. I'm like, we're gonna be there next week.

Yeah.

And then it's like four months go by.

It's hard.

It's the drive home that gets us. The drive home is when we're like, "Yo, but no one lives far away. What the fuck?" Getting up here is fine. We're usually buzzing.

Yeah, I mean, you guys are almost always welcome to spend the night here.

Oh yeah.

We're really here at nights. It's like, it's a great place to hang.

Oh yeah.

It's a cool place like over a few days to like the surrounding areas.

Yeah.

It's pretty cool. And everything opens up now, like all the produce and the markets and stuff.

Oh yeah.

It's pretty sweet. I gotta say, it's like a weird little wild. Also, I know you guys have a car. The train is insanely convenient. Even if you're in Brooklyn, like it's just like, you do not have to have your wits about you to get back and forth. To me.

That's pretty nice.

It's very convenient.

Yeah.

Let me spark this foot long.

I know. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I mean, so your crypto heads now? You're on the right track.

That's why we're up here. Yeah.

Yeah, before we were even, we're like, we could do a podcast. We're like, all right, show me how to do it with VPN. Show me how to swap some stuff.

Ask coin.

Ask coin.

Ask coin.

Ask coin fast enough because I don't have it all set up. So I'm just getting to the place where hopefully I can buy some ask coin.

These are real sentences, which is true. It sounds like a joke, but you actually couldn't buy ask coin fast enough.

Yeah.

You're like, this is, I'm having a problem buying the ask coin. It's a real thing.

We were sold.

Australian service shepherd. We were talking about a lot of this stuff before too. Like, there's some clear shift in how people are viewing crypto and like money stuff now, even if it was the stock stuff from before.

Yeah.

Where it's just palpable. It's like some weird, I'm sure Uranus is like astrologically involved somehow. But like.

Ooh, that would be interesting.

There's some explanation because it's fucking, it's the weirdest.

Uranus is in Taurus now, I think, but it's like the weirdest bending of how money has worked in our lives.

Yeah.

I don't ever remember this.

Yeah.

Even in 2017 when a lot of people were like making it. It was such a small group of people. You still sounded kind of like a lunatic. Now people are like doge and Bitcoin and Ethereum and all these things are like common place for a lot of people, so like something shifted and it's like, it's nice to see.

We sat down with you, I don't know, a few years ago now, and you gave me the whole pitch. And I was like, dude, I'm sold, but it's just too difficult for me to buy this shit.

It was probably 2015.

And because it's too difficult for me to buy this stuff, I'm not getting involved because I understand that like most people, their level of difficulty is comparable to mine. And so if it's too difficult to me, it's too difficult for other people. But when it started going to expanding and becoming easier, I was like, all right, that's time.

But what does that tell you? If you're saying everyone is like you and it's too difficult, if you do the thing that's a little more difficult than most people, you're in before them.

Yeah.

Well, that's what I'm doing now. Trying to download VPNs.

This is why I feel like this is like, it's going to be taken completely out of context, but it's a Ponzi. Everything is a Ponzi. The whole of life is essentially a Ponzi, you're investing in this thing that everyone else invests in, so it has meaning or some worth or value to you. That's not a bad thing. It just sounds bad because based on economic principles, that's not how things should work. The wizard isn't really there, it's a man behind the curtain, it's not really the way it's supposed to be. But I think it's becoming democratized that there's enough of a shift in consciousness. I was saying it before, two of you guys, in two years, we're all going to know at least a few people independently who made a lot from just this stuff, millions at least, potentially even tens and hundreds of millions.

That should have a profound effect on society as a whole because you're going to have these pods of people, not everyone who makes a lot of money is going to give it away to their friends or build things, but if 10%, 5%, which is a large amount, do some level of that, I think it's going to shift how this stuff works and how people make money, how they receive it, these NFTs, all this stuff, it sounds like buzzwords and jokes, which is why I think these joke coins find inherent value and they work because people are getting the joke is like, money is kind of a joke, so let's actually literally make it a joke and then see how people react.

Yeah, just be looser about it and for us, this literally, at least very much for me because Cass has been dabbling around with our money without me really even knowing about it because I can't handle it because it just feels tight and it just feels like, "Yo, we're actually in a lot of financial insecurity right now." You got 50 grand in ask coin, good luck. But we took some Soma brew the other day or what we think is Soma, which is Syrian roux and mushrooms and blew our heads off and my intention going into it was to eradicate any self-limiting, self-defeating perceptions and it figures, we come out of this mushroom thing and that week people, we're just hanging out with our friends and all of a sudden everyone's talking about this and they're saying, "I put 2,500 and I made 100,000 dudes that used to carry a heavy chip on their shoulder.

Feel free now." Isn't it cool? And I'm like, "I want in on that." So yeah, it really took the mushroom to help me be open to it and then I did a ketamine journey the other night and I was in a K-hole just kind of laughing about all this. I was so in the higher realms, I just understood, I was in on the joke for the first time and I'm like, "Oh, we're going to be fine. This is our path to financial freedom." It's not weird. Commercials not waiting for a movie to hit or this or that, really just taking it fucking by the balls and doing something. Well, I know we want to build something bigger than ourselves so I'm kind of putting in the hands of the stars in our capacity to maybe understand the market or get the right tips at the right time.

You just got to know that you've already kind of made it and then let it play out. It's like a very uncomfortable position to find yourself in it but it is what we're doing in life, people who find themselves successful at this or that or making it or whatever. They always had a big notion that that was going to happen. It could have been very vague and it could have been a big surprise in their lives but that's a key determinant on how whether someone is viewed as or views themselves as successful. The money stuff, I think there's so much shit we have to, on D program that we don't even know is there.

You don't know how you're going to react until you lose $10,000 because someone scammed you. Not because they're extended or send you double but because you thought you were investing in a project that was worth something. This has happened to me three times in the past eight months. Each time I learn obviously not enough to get scammed again but it doesn't have to have the same kind of emotional, resonant impact and that can be a very positive thing and you can apply that to most things in your life if you get the proper perspective and then it's just like figuring out what you like and your tolerance for risk or reward or how you view debt or lack or abundance.

It's pretty good. As far as ways to go of learning this, this seems to be most people's preferred method. I think we move ourselves through these things because I don't know, it seems cooler than working as a kid for 40 hours a week until you're 50 for 12 bucks or whatever. I love what you were saying about have fun with it. The people in your community that you're finding are doing the most successful or the people who are smart but they're not taking it super seriously, they're going with some instincts and turning $200 into $10,000. That's the kind of financial freedom that I pray for for my friends.

I think that feeling like, "Oh, well, I can't afford to invest or if I did invest, someone else could invest $10,000. I can only invest $200." It's like, "Yeah, I guess that's true, but that doesn't mean it's a reason not to play the game." Yeah. I think I forget that as I've scaled up and made larger position sizes, I remember just putting $500 on something and I'm like, "Whoa." Now, if I don't put at least three to five ether, which is anywhere from $600 to $10,000 or something, I'm like, "What am I even doing it for?" You can't catch the buzz. You would say in the buzz, "This is like, I know that if this coin goes up two to three times, I make a chunk, whereas if I'm playing something that's smaller, I don't need as much to be like, "Oh, I can go up 10 times," like, "Ask coin."

It seems like a large position to take an ask coin, it's like $5,000, double that, but it could. Smart. But you're like, "I'm buying something for 15 cents or whatever, and I can afford maybe to put $3,000 in this, and if I only put $300 and it goes up 20 times, I'm going to be like, if that was $3,000, that would be $60,000. You can afford everything. That's what you learn. I've spent like $5,000, $6,000, and I'm not rich. I would say, just in my server, I would guess I'm probably maybe not even in the top 20 of people who have made, I'm not the load, but there are people with me a lot, and independent of the server from tips in the server, all these things, and you just got to play the game.

You buy things that you think might be worthwhile, you learn, you understand, and you should just have fun. It's more fun to be able to lose money and laugh about it, then make a lot and be like, "I'm so cool. I'll be too much money." You'll do both. Yeah. It feels like such a gauntlet, and part of the reason I think I wasn't comfortable going in before was I was like, "This is one of those things. Once I put my money in, I'm never going to want to take it out, because if it's high, I'm going to be like, 'Let's let's keep it going.'" It's more fun than what I learned with this, and I think it's just a good money principle.

Now, is you create the vacuums, like spend the money that you get, and it'll come back. Especially in markets like this, like every time I pull money out, it gets replenished. Every time I hold on to it a little bit more to try to make that into more, then it kind of levels off and contracts a little bit. I've just noticed that for myself, but if you spend, if you cash out, it doesn't have to be a ton. I've been pulling out 8 to $10,000 at a time, anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks. Which is part of my portfolio is not the most, but it's not nothing. That's a really good feeling. Knowing that you're covering your stuff, you've taken, you've realized your gains, you still have enough in that if stuff continues to go well and you make the right trades or you're in the right coins, you have a real chance of getting through next year, 5 years, 10 years.

And enough money now that my whole idea of how much money I would ever have in my life has changed. How much of that can you accommodate? How much that are you planning for? I also think there's a direct correlation between that. What are you going to do when you withdraw $100,000? How are you going to do it? Are you going to pay taxes? Are you going to do a loan? How are you going to do all this stuff? Have those plans, it'll be easier to kind of watch that fit the narrative. It's set up, if you find it difficult at first to get money in or out, good. Work through the kinks. Figure out that if you fucking make a shitload of money, how do you actually get it into your bank account?

What are you going to do? What levels do you want to do that at? Yeah, I think we're, like Sean was saying, with doing that big psychedelic trip last week, we're just at this place where we're like, we want to do it all. We want to explore it all, experience it all. You can't fuck up. We started a band where healing relationships were open to stuff that I used to have to tune out. I see this now that we're into it and we're talking about it on our Discord. It actually triggers some people, which surprised me at first, but in a way I get it because I've seen it when I was taking big risks making films and other people that I thought would be good at making films were like, whoa, what are you doing?

You're just spending all your money making a film every year. It's crazy because they're in their tight place of comfort and they can't imagine somebody living the way I am. I think it has to do with a FOMO jealousy thing where it's like, this comes up and people are like, I don't want to think about it. They don't want to think about their finances. They don't want to think about possibly getting left out or possibly that they fucked up. Oh, yeah. I was on the Bitcoin tip like five years before I even met Noah. I remember saying like, that's a penny stock I'd invest in. I know it's not technically a penny stock, but it's that kind of energy.

It was more. Nothing. Yeah. I mean, there's infinite of these things. I think it's just easier to realize them now because the medium of the computers that we're like using the digital, it's just easy. It's like buttons. It's clicking. It's understanding this goes there. Like, I know I've definitely been on ketamine at times doing some of this stuff and just being like, this is insane, like, we bring me money. It doesn't make sense. It's insane. Like, if you looked up from like a bird's eye view, how people are like, accumulating resources and like wealth, like it's ridiculous, just like, it's like, it's hilarious.

But it's great when you understand that that actually is like, it is a fair opportunity. Like, there, there's no, it's easier, of course, like anything if you have capital to go in and like risk and you're not going to be like ruined or like screwed. But like, for the most part, you know, you're fine. Like you're not also the financial safety net that most people kind of think in their heads exist or that they could fall through like, no, it doesn't. I know. No, it doesn't. Yeah. In this country. It takes a lot. I have kids like you don't, like, people get mad about how that doesn't happen. Yeah.

You may feel bad, like if you're on welfare and unemployment, don't. Yeah. Like, don't. Yeah. Like, you're good. You're okay. It's all right. It's fine. And then like, try to find the balance of appreciating like a really wealthy person who's accumulated well through ingenuity or like whatever, appreciate what they've done and appreciate there are people who have been deprived of that opportunity because of circumstances and lack of privilege. Just like understand the perspectives. I think what a lot of people do and this is why I think I pull away some of from some of like the socialist ideas just a little bit is like, don't feel like there's an oppressed people recognize witness that that's going on.

Don't deny it. Don't be, no, don't depressed, but like, don't reinforce it as an idea because then you're actively helping to create that situation. You're putting consciousness into an idea where people are present. The democratization of like financial freedom or independence is now closer than it's been in any permutation since recorded history. I mean, I think, I don't know people, it was probably native tribes, you know, bartering and fucking shamanic. Yeah. That's great. But like for like global macro situations, that's, that's just kind of like we're in unprecedented uncharted waters, like, enjoy it.

Don't be bitter people. It's just a good principle. Don't get mad if people are doing well or like, you know, like I had plenty of opportunities to be mad at all. There's people in my server who like, I'm like, your project is vaporware. It doesn't do anything because it doesn't. Yeah. So far, this guy and other people have determined that it will. That's their speculative position. The second I dropped, like actually being like, this is useless. Because it doesn't do anything like, it's like a much lighter like, no one cares. Like I'm glad this guy made money. I've come to that conclusion too, like the best thing you can do in this market, even with Bitcoin, which is like a pretty safe thing, don't buy into any of these narratives of what coin is the best and why you can know about the fundamentals.

You can understand why something should go up in value. Like a lot of these people with pirate chain did, but like, don't do magic beans. It's all magic beans. These magic beans may do this thing. These magic beans mean, but it's all magic beans, like just let it go. Like it doesn't matter. That it'll be easier to sell something. You just think, oh, these magic beans are worth that much magic beans. Okay, I'll sell them for that. It's way easier than being like, well, I'm holding the golden ticket. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's that clinging. I feel like that starts to send you on that spiral, you know, I feel like what you're talking about is just pulling the emotion out of the whole process and it's much more fun.

Yeah. When it's not like. Keep it positive emotions. Yeah. And the gauge of that is not when you're making a trade if it feels good, which is a good thing to have too. But like, when you lose money or it doesn't work out, how hard do you take it? Yeah. You take it like really bad, then you do not do that trade without emotion. It's not like only when it goes up, you're just like, oh, yeah, pretty good. It's like, when shit hits the fan, when you realize, oh, you don't fucked up, like, how does that sting you? Yeah. So easier you can get over that, like it doesn't even matter if you lose. That's why, like, some people lose all of their money and say what you want about Donald Trump, like, obviously he's a lunatic, but like, he lost all his money for real for real multiple times.

Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? He may have parlayed whatever you think is like bullshit or bullshit, but he lost it all. Yeah. And he was, it didn't matter. He knew he was going to make more. Yeah. That's actually how it works. If you just get that resiliency muscle of like, I'm going to do it. It's going to be worth more than when I bought it. I just got to like hold on. You'd be good. I feel like, at least we've been told astrologically for both of us, like, our work here is to be done. We learn the most through relationships. And the same principle applies because we'll see it all the time when somebody has that desperation about finding a partner, you're going to, you're going to get the fucking opposite.

You're not, but when, when someone's kind of just like more positive and loving and being themselves more, they'll attract you. They'll attract you. Yeah. It's a very attractive force. Money is like a partner. Money is like a romantic sexual relationship. It really is, and you have to learn how to be cool in those situations. If you want to attract the caliber or certain person or money, you want into your life. The first thing that you have to do is feel that like you can have that. It's like there are people out there who will look at like a beautiful person and just be like, oh, I could get another out of my league.

I could never. Yeah. I know a lot of people who I associate with don't really think like that. They don't link, oh, I could never, they don't think like that. They're like, of course I could. Why couldn't I? Like what, what would it be? I'm the best thing ever. Yeah. So like that mentality, if you can apply it to money, like, why couldn't I have a billion dollars? Now, if you think it's bad, there are some people who may think it's bad to be beautiful. You won't be taken as seriously or people are just going to focus on your looks and you, you know, people like you for reasons that are, you could think about that about money.

Yeah. You'd be like, so just like pull that shit out of it and just be like, all right, I am the type of person who made a shitload of money on Askcoin or Bitcoin. And like, you'll know if you believe it and just be comfortable where you are. Sometimes it feels like a lock, like, wow, that was just the winner. Yeah. And sometimes it feels like, I don't know. And just like, or like, I made an asset of myself by losing, you know, five grand on Askcoin. I mean, to me, the idea of me telling people I lost five, six grand on Askcoin is worth the story. Definitely. If I lost $200 on Askcoin, who cares?

It's not even a story. Whatever. Don't even tell people. Yeah. But if you lose a lot of money on Askcoin, go big or go home. I like that as a general, yeah, for things. Remember when, like, our relationship with money, and I think I might have even taught to cast this, like, because I never did the, like, small potatoes for some reason. Right as soon as I got involved with my career, I was involved with, with budgets and like, all of a sudden I had, like, large sums of money to move around and figure out how to make money, more money off of whatever. So I was always just, like, very, very financially stable.

My parents didn't have any money. I did not like that feeling growing up. Like, every month, there was a conversation in my house about, we can't pay the mortgage. Like, why the fuck do I need to know about this? Like, nine years old. All that stress. Yeah. So I brought it. But for some reason, in my adult life money came so easy to me, to the point where I really just started to trust it, trust it, and like, flirt with the universe and seduce money out of it. And I remember once, like, we had made two movies, Cam Girls in Florida, man, back-to-back. And we thought we were rolling, and we didn't really pay attention to our finances.

Cast pulls up our accounts. And it's like, we got this month's rent covered, but that's it. And that was the first time in my adult life that it was like, whoa, and we literally, we held a ritual. We just started praying. We're like, all right, come on, come on, universe. We just fucking put our heart and soul and all of our finances into these two, our two favorite projects we've done. And we prayed, and we prayed for just the opportunity to come to us. And it came, but it doesn't come without some action. It was like the prayers were giving us permission to have the idea to get the money. And the next day, we were literally like, Cam Girls, Camming is a huge industry.

There's money flying around like fucking crazy. Let's call one of these campsites and see if they'll sponsor us putting this film out for free. And they did. And we lived off that money for like two years. And it was like literally answering our prayers by just releasing. Yeah, and you're opening up to the, I mean, I think there's also sometimes this like perceived altruism that comes by not engaging with like a system that objectively and subjectively for most people's fucked up. Like capitalism isn't done like, I don't think there's something inherently wrong with capitalism per se, but whatever permutation has evolved in it in the West, it's not great.

So like there's this idea that like, if you don't think about it or don't engage with it or don't have to worry or like, you know, try to get more, it's just energy. Yeah. Like if you're responsible, you can have any amount of energy you want. There's nothing wrong with that. And then try to be non judgmental. Like it's, I think a lot of people fall into this trap. Like they think about someone like Jeff Bezos or like Elon Musk to a lesser extent, but like, wow, they could just like alleviate so much suffering in the world that they gave away. First of all, it doesn't really work with that. They're equity.

Their money isn't like tangible. It's usually in valuations, but that's the wrong approach. If you're trying to bring in like wealth or abundance into your life, because you're judging some who knows why they have that much money. They believe that this is how much they're supposed to be worth. They have a plan for it. Most likely. Yeah. Don't worry about that. Like that's not for you to like. You're paying attention to other people's how other people do things, why they do things. It's like you're creating, it's all projection and then you're creating like a barrier between you being able to steer the ship of your own life.

Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. Like it, it's so much easier to just focus on what you feel like you're capable of and deserving of. And like that sounds easy because everyone's like, was deserving of a billion? Probably not. You probably don't really feel like that. You may have a notion or an inkling like you really will always feel like you have a shit load of money if you're really going to have that show up consistently. I know the feeling, which is why I talk about it, like I know I made a lot of money doing this stuff. Like it's like almost like a future memory. That's the level of conviction I feel.

But also that buffers you against a lot of emotional kind of like baggage that can come with like investing or doing any of this stuff. Just like have the certainty that you know what you're doing and you nailed it. You can even fuck up a lot. But that can be a precursor. We're talking before, like how many times do you think in our lives or anyone's life we're just like, you were just about to get that thing that was going to be life changing. But you gave up like a step or two before there's like that tunnel picture that they show like you know it's like the person is right there from the thing that they want but they gave up because it's too far it's like just have the conviction that you got there that it's going to work out.

Also just because it shouldn't not work out. There is enough by the way like resources, everything. It's about tapping into that idea. But there is really like that it has never been a resource problem in this planet. It's a distribution problem. That's like always been the case. Like you can say well you know it's unsustainable over a certain amount of people but not even. We're barely scratching the surface for that like on this planet let alone Mars or wherever else people want to go. Yeah well I mean that's a capitalist mindset. That's a scarcity mindset of that when any time I hear people say that we have an overpopulation problem it's like now we don't.

Do you realize all the people in this world could fit in Texas? And that we have like it's fine we just got to slow down. Could all the people in the world fit in Texas? No way. Like even smaller. But like back like smoosh together? No in like the population density of like Hong Kong which is like an island with 10 million people. Really 9 billion people? Yeah. Yeah it's crazy. I mean with the we have we have that's all moved to Texas. But the thing the thing is like what you're saying I love that term future memory because a lot of times like our life is so out of control crazy good that you have to stop and say how did I get here and send some chill back to the person who's trying to get there.

Likewise you can in right here in this moment borrow some of that shit. Totally. Bring online that memory totally that you know the person who's sitting in financial abundance be that guy now and then watch the fucking shit just unfold for you. And but I think the hard part of that is it sounds like to a lot of people like magical thinking I always try to think devils at this point having talked about kind of like the power of imagination to where I have made myself annoyed with myself about it. I get the counterpoint which is like well that just sounds like crazy if everyone at that work for everyone everyone would have it is like yeah it does number one but like most people have to get through the barrier of like this reality or what you're experiencing somehow discernibly being always objectively happening.

Like there's this huge interplay between subjectivity and objectivity and this is what I think a lot of conflict is about right now and I do we're not going to talk about the vaccine stuff but I see it played out in that through that lens and a lot of other ones like this idea of like subjectivity versus objectivity and I feel like objectivity has had like a very long pretty good run in modern history and subjectivity is like listen you're going to be on a reduced roll a reduced capacity for a little bit this is going to be uncomfortable if you're a reasonable rational analytical person but nevertheless this is what's going on and I think yeah people's relationships some money and other things are going to be like critical catalysts for this because like how could they that's where people's energy and attention and awareness is yeah.

That's what our society is about like that that's that's that's what we've made it I was just I just learned the other day that the word economy comes from a Greek word that means the way of life and we've made it all about money you know and this is what I realized in that K-hole it was like processing Bitcoin and everything it's just like oh this is a new economy and it's actually not even all about money there's a lot of it is about being funny and generosity and compassion and trying to get people out of whatever cage they've locked themselves in financially and I don't know for me it feels so refreshing because I know I know what I'm in opposition to but it doesn't feel good to just be in opposition to things like you have to be for something so it's just it's nice to have this little gap filled at least in my perspective like I'm for this I like this because it's definitely stands in opposition to the thing I fucking hate I know that also you pointed out something which is like like it's really really important especially for people who have some degree of financial independence the way you the way your life changes when you have enough money for all of the things in your life and then maybe even a little extra or a lot extra for other things that you might want things are different you're not as stressed out you know from coming up family where people arguing about money like there's there's a lightness at least you know you don't have to be a billionaire a millionaire but there is some levity that comes from that that at least unfortunately for a lot of people you can't use that as an excuse anymore yeah then you really actually have to start focusing on like all right have time I have money and I think this is the phase that I think a lot of people I've kind of gone through this phase maybe not so much with the time thing but like at times where it's like shit I don't got any excuse right now like why am I not like busting my ass on that and then like that's its own dance like some that was not the time yeah that was most likely not the time like when you there it does things do a line where you feel very productive very creative and you don't have to worry about money you don't have to worry about time and like those place wait for those things to like intertwine at the right time but definitely don't let money be a stressor that dominates your life which is like for most people I don't say most people but a lot of people they're like that's inconceivable oh like how could I how could I not they couldn't even hear what we're saying I remember this and I'd be like this person's fucking crazy like I have bills to pay I have kids I've got shit I got to do how dare they tell me I can yeah but I told you this week after we did this mushroom thing we encountered two friends dear friends who I didn't realize we're carrying a chip on their shoulder which they didn't have and I didn't know why and then I started asking and they both fucking turned 2,500 dollars into a hundred thousand and all of a sudden it's like they're focusing on their art they're focusing on other things and I to bring it back to relationships stuff it's the same thing it's like you have a friend that um you're hanging out with and maybe they haven't gotten laid in a year or two and then all of a sudden they start getting laid and you're they're showing up as a different person you're like dude I didn't even fuck where were you you disconnected because that's what financial insecurity will do to you it'll make you disconnect because then you're also social situations like I really enjoy paying for meals for people when we go out it's the best it's not a stunt it's not a flex I just really enjoy doing that to someone who doesn't have like enough to even entertain that that's an anxiety-ridden situation how much am I gonna have to pay do I have to feel bad because this person is paid for the chicken and it's just like at that point like you're you're adding so many layers of like anxiety and complexity and it's like it is as callous as it can sound optional at this point yeah it's this and like if you're before it was like well how am I gonna do I have to start a business I have to figure out a marketing thing I gotta get this I gotta have content it's like no just buy these magic fucking beans yeah it's all that's okay and it is work I'm not gonna lie like paying attention and making sure you're on top of stuff and following the market like it is a job you know and it's one of the easier ones you're working for yourself but you're working for yourself exactly you and also I love what I love about it what I'm excited about playing in this space is that I'm not gonna trust anyone but myself like I will hear it but I will filter it through my own this is how you decolonize your life you know and and this is one of this is like one of the final steps is when you're not relying on the old masters to you know give you your little whatever I like that I I also recently wrote a check for my business to myself as an employee and the bank because it was a new account with Chase they had they they the money left my other bank I watched it go buy buy and then they're like hey this money's gonna be available in 10 days I'm like what do you mean like what do you mean like this isn't like you can even tell me it's being processed by the other bank they're like yeah sometimes we hold money because we want to make sure it won't get returned I'm like what do you think the money came from a bank account yeah it's insane so I don't like that no I don't like any situation I had an issue with Coinbase with that sending some money somewhere where I had to be on top of it but it puts the responsibility on you but if you know what's going on this is just gonna get easier and easier I will say like to your point before cast like do the thing that's one step harder that's why I teach you the the buy and answer chain which in two months will probably be like old had and completely not as useful as it was but like take it a step further take it a step further than you want because then you're a little bit earlier if you give up assume there's a whole bunch of other people who are ready to give up right at that point if you go a little bit further a little bit further a little bit further then you're gonna be able to buy some of this stuff or be in a community of people who are telling you to buy something that's like okay yeah this is probably a good idea and it's like annoying because sometimes this stuff is like oh I gotta do one I gotta do that it's gonna do this but like just do it it's not a big deal no one's asking me to be a hacker yeah you know to like figure out like some the dark web it's just like you know copy and paste some shit and understand like basic fundamentals of how these things work and you'll be alright same as any art form you know because there's such a it feels like a steep barrier to entry to getting to be a successful artist and you know from guitar that's what I'm that's what I was just about to equate it to it's like just take it a step further go and like for me that is playing with musicians that are way better than me starting a band with them before I barely know how to fucking play this thing all of a sudden it's like but a lot of people start like that too they're just like forced into they're like here play base yeah I'll have a basis like do it the clash they didn't even know how to play their instruments you should have figured it out there's a show on I think it's cinemax I get it through Hulu Mike Judge did this tale tours from tales from the tour bus oh I've seen some of those on YouTube yeah I saw them on TikTok a few of them but they I paid for cinemax for it there's the second season is all funk it's like Prince James Brown yeah I saw the James Brown one hole wouldn't James Brown took orange sunshine yeah great fucking story there's we did the moon yeah he says out there like he said it was the new death and he just thought they're like this for like 10 20 minutes yeah yeah yeah yeah no it's it's like it's funny that shit is cool too yeah for sure I love that kind of shit I want to do I definitely want to get into the world of merging like the documentary and podcast world like really blurring that line and we've done a couple podcasts that I feel like blur that line a little bit but cinematically we could take it a little further like like you're saying just taking like we're doing podcasts we've been doing them for fucking six seven years let's just how do we take this a little further how do we do the thing that no one would would think to do even putting our thing on YouTube felt like a humongous step we were we thought of that a year before we did it finally the pandemic was just like why aren't we doing this we did it and right away we're like this is so much work and right already we're like how how are we not doing that just takes like a couple extra hours to edit this video and put it on there and it's totally changed our world yeah having having that one added little extra element taking a little further there's and there's plenty of space to take it even much further yeah it's a good time to be doing stuff that you like to do that's what it feels like to me and don't feel pressure to have to do anything but like I think it's great like I feel like is someone who you know has put out regular stuff over the years now at this point just being able to take a breather and recognizing that like you're not dependent even on an audience or whatever but like you're good that gives you a much more fertile ground for creating something like even very successful artists and people like there's this delicate balance between like keeping your fans or people who know you for something happy and wanting to expand or grow as an artist and anything so like we're in like a much more like nebulous world right now and I think if you embrace that like it's it's good yeah you don't have to do anything just do the stuff that you want to do and trust that it'll kind of work out in a way and I think it does people are waking up to that I feel like more people than ever are saying I'm quitting my job I feel like that's true I mean if you know you turn 2,500 into 100k then like why wouldn't you write a job for a year at least I mean what we're hearing is yeah my my wife got pregnant and she's saying she wants to stay home for a little bit and I feel like we're in a position to do that you know like the amount of freedom for their family you know it's weird how that's how things work but I think it has to work like that because that is most people are not out there imagining doomsday scenarios like really are going to happen to them at best it's like a defense or like a hyper awareness of a possibility of things that could happen you can look at it like what goes on and the people aren't it's not chaos out there like you could say it's called chaos is humanity there's no point don't like I'm zoomed in level like people are not stabbing each other all the time just like we may see on the media like it's it's pretty chill yeah I mean the media is just there to amplify our fears and keep us hooked and it keeps us good consumers but all their trying all their pedaling is the worst most divisive stuff like a lot of boomers like my parents are glued to it and they always got a story about us and them and you know the bad guys and the good guys and I'm like that is so not that life is so much more nuanced than to get caught on that very surface level of division and that's all the media is there to fucking yeah push on us it's fucking nasty business it you like you really like that is one of the ways of decolonizing your life is like how do you get corporate media out of your life how do you not become so programmed by all that stuff yeah it's definitely not the best I don't I don't know anymore I don't pay attention to the news so much just because I don't have I don't feel like I had the luxury of like tuning into that but I yeah I know it's a very addictive it gives you something to focus on there's always going to be some narrative and it's something it's all and it but it always is conveniently something that you could never do anything about it's always such a big thing that all you can do is sit there and watch and I do agree with that well like what is really the news because in any time before this kind of modern media the news would have been what the fuck went on around here maybe a five mile radius and it was always the same shit anyway it was like this person is a crime this person there's a nice story this person's the wet there's the weather like it's a format it's simpler simpler more connected you know yeah because you can't really do anything about what the garden you can reach if you don't know what's going on in that garden yeah you know you're only paying attention to yeah the bigger story yeah I'm thinking about these these these this guy got in trouble I've told you I was watching all these Hamilton it's pharmacopia stuff this guy got in trouble for ordering the bark that makes DMT like somehow you ordered it from France and got engaged by homeland security and they like stalked them for like a month and then busted him and put him in jail for like 10 years and American this happened yeah and it was legal bark and then like he pointed out when you guys were talking about community parks and stuff like in the community park where he lived they were growing that tree on like any property yeah it's like fucking ridiculous I think a lot of that stuff is ending I don't I think the psychedelics now I think it's basically over I think like yeah you definitely aren't putting the genie back in the bottle but more importantly like no one I think as the fear and anxiety of getting in trouble for it wanes the incidences of people like needing to be like treated or go like we're freaking out yeah also goes down because that's amazing bad trip I've ever had is either about me feeling concerned about someone else knowing that I'm tripping and that's a bad thing yeah or just like some deep internal like fear about like what is going on what does this mean about me like having a deep program all the like narratives of you know people's fear of pot and then when people have a bad trip on pot it's usually has something to do with guilt and paranoia because this has been demonized their whole life but like it's like all it's doing all pot does is just allow more consciousness to flood in that is it sacrifices its life for us to have more consciousness and we made it illegal and people get scared of that and people get scared of those heightened states of consciousness because because they're illegal this is also a very unpopular opinion I mean it's been one I've shared for a while that I do think that most of what paranoia is and the fear that comes up is just this subconscious like deep stuff that like literally gets lifted to the threshold of your awareness and if you're not used to dealing with those types of things they can be overwhelming and gripping and terrifying but if you are used to dealing with them they can be quite used to be like oh yeah that's what I was thinking about that I remember being like a teenager being like whoa like I was really mad about that thing and now I thought about it like this like I guess I'm not as mad about it yeah like and not because I smoke weed and I'm like man everything's cool it's like oh I got some additional perspective that I was incapable of yeah leaning while I was in that previous state yeah yeah fuck well for me I just I think about everything I need to do or the things I haven't done but as long as I have like a pen and paper next to me yeah this is a pen and paper type of tripper do you have Virgo placements I don't really know fuck Virgo or Libra placements I feel like but yeah I I don't know I like weed a lot it's cool it's legal now first legal 420 just went down in New York it was fucking pretty lit I had the biggest joint in all of New York City this is what you're traveling around with yeah no way it can't be it attracts people it attracts the true potheads you know because they're like oh man I want I need to have a hit off that I just need to see how that fucking thing hits and it hits better than my regular joints it does it really well yeah weed is great well we're financially free yeah legal weed I would say things are working out pretty well so far definitely we're bringing this church to life we're gonna make church of chill like a physical place people can come and that's that's why we're up here talking to you because I'm like oh we need the money six hundred thousand dollars seems to be the the number in my head that like land land you need we that just seems like the thing that would would start putting some wind in our cells like yeah get out of this apartment in the city come on oh yeah yeah it's a move but like for a church and land and everything you need like I don't know two mill oh yeah you're good to go yeah so we're putting it out there because it's just going to be a place that people can come and realize their creative potential because that's what we're going to charge it up with it's like come here to finish your projects or start your projects or hold ceremony with us or just make new friends so definitely make a church yeah right because then you can do drugs I think that it would be protected to a certain degree because the organic ones at least right like mushrooms ayahuasca yeah yeah no one gets busted for ayahuasca you never hear about who wants to go like you know fucking bust down a bunch of fucking people puking yeah no one no one signing up for that job and also it's not usually the demographic that gets targeted in the war and drugs no no and people are careful and uh you know having just had a terrifying trip where things almost got completely out of control and I felt like the cops were on the periphery it's only some of what happened but like what we're the most trying and challenging I mean for me uh the medicine was great it was healing I had the best trip I got abducted by aliens it was it was I wanted the aliens you know and this is this is what's crazy is um when I thought because I really wanted to get abducted by aliens and someone told me if you ever want to have alien communication take Syrian rue and mushrooms together we did it we took way too much but I was like let's let the aliens come and I imagined it coming from like out here you know like it where I could see but it was like two hours into it all of a sudden I just felt it behind me this alien spaceship just just came and went over me and it wasn't like the otherization of aliens it was like I was one I was with them and we were like chilling out like fuck yeah this is what it's all about they're like we're here been here forever been here forever always been here before been here forever I have always been here before yeah I have always been here before it was one of those moments and so I was blissed out like communicating with aliens listening to this guy chant what me wild crazy over here wild woman who's in it was a very masculine energy as cast said because it's three it's three men who are serious and focused in chanting and cast who is literally out of her mind screaming for rock and roll and that's what was traumatizing to me was there was no ability to communicate with cast she was completely offline in her own dimension we've tripped so many times yeah I was wondering about that because you guys have done that but that yeah yeah this one was way different I entered a flat dimension you know in flat world flat world paper dimension you know about it Denise has talked about that I think she's talked about yes going down the flat and then one dimensional yeah I won't take it to the whole thing but Sean's like trying to you know he's like cast if you if you've ever loved me like just give me some sign of life just sign squeeze my hand just squeeze my hand just let me know you're with me and meanwhile I'm flat I'm like this is a joke this is hilarious that he thinks that I could do anything right now and it gets so bad that the guy who like served us was like hit her with the water so Sean pours a bottle of water on my head and what does that feel like as a two-dimensional I snapped out of it for like 10 seconds for like 10 seconds she was like what the fuck thank you thanks thanks I knew that but it got so out of hand right back and that's what was scary because with when you had the Syrian rue the mushrooms it lasted 12 hours I've never tripped this along in my life or this hard so we'll just keep hitting in waves and me and the guy that served were the only people that were with it and the other two were completely out of their minds which was um it was terrifying because they couldn't even on the control they like when someone can't remember that they took something and it's wearing off and they're trying to do all this stuff like this guy called the little DMT it was that thing you grab the keys Noah what you went through on DMT was we went through with this other dude for like three hours it was like when you grabbed your keys and tried to leave here like and for freaking out this guy was doing that for three hours on like a 20 second loop it was so scary and just seeing I mean the guy that had us to his temple he's incredible he's a dear friend of ours and everything it's immaculate and he did the best fucking ceremony but to see even him like it got freaking out freaking out kind of like what are we gonna do here we're calling some guys wife at two in the morning she's like what's going on you know but it's kind of perfect it was like one of those new rebirths like it was I went through multiple deaths I went through multiple lifetimes how long is like eight hours 10 hours 10 or 12 what time of day did you start 7 p.m. till 7 a.m. we were up at 7 in the morning bouncing off the wall of this hotel by 3 a.m. we had a hotel room well after the temple went completely off the rails we just caught a cab back to where we had a hotel that night so the whole thing was I was able to come to many moments and appreciate how beautiful even my death was like I was witnessing my death and accepting it what kind of witnessing of death just accepting like oh this is wow this is it you know I've been there and also having gone through so many deaths before that of thinking well I'm forever in the paper to mention I'm one of those people who like if I'm in some world everything feels forever I know how that is yeah Cass went through it similar to you she went through very vividly a suicide thing an addiction thing being homeless thing like thinking you know like you really going to those ways going hungry and then you're you're what's doing is expanding your circle of compassion to include every hungry person in this moment you're tapping into that and you're you tapped into some crack head who I believe is probably a real person I know that's what's trippy about all this I feel like you're you're portal just got diverted and all of a sudden you were living in this probably who is a real person living around and she I wonder what her experience was when you entered that was that was that was part of it but the end of it which I still think about is like I definitely think I experienced a version of my death at end of life and like it's like it's okay let go but it was so like docile and peaceful but it was inappropriate for the state that I was in because I'm not in like end of life mind yeah I'm like no no and so like that kind of reverberated and still like if I get really whacked out and dissociate I can come in contact with it I'm like yeah and it's like fuck because you you do have access to the moment of your physical death like as a car as a thing yeah talk about future memory and when you're there it's like that one that's maybe been the stickiest psychic psychedelic like thing I've encountered so far because it's like I can I can perceive it when I like lose my body enough and I'm like what is that if I move too close to it it can become overwhelming and like even like it's it is like a fear and some of it was so serene it's like yeah it's okay you know it's okay and I'm like don't be so cool about it like we've got a little bit yeah well that was I mean I finally got to the place where I was like oh I have my loving partner like taking care of me like this is the most I'm watching someone else die where we're all like around him and like almost like felt like we were setting up for his burial he was like we're putting flowers on him we're like he had like become completely at this point I had to regathered myself where I could sit up you know cross-legged and I was just like wow this is so beautiful I'm dying watching someone else's death and accepting it and my loving partners here and it just I became so grateful and I was looking back on my life and just being like fuck I did it up man yeah like I'm going to sex drugs and rock and roll sex drugs and rock and roll like I'm about to enter the flip side of that coin your eternal damnation because I had such a fucking great life but I was like I really don't want to live wishing it would be good again which was really hard because I was like oh man if I could just feel warm well you thought you were going to hell she goes there she doesn't just think she's going there she actually goes there yeah yeah well two-dimensional hell you should you should have seen that the measures that we were taking on every density of to try to bring these two back like literally our boy is saying because because this thing started off with a ceremony where he's he's cracking coconuts and chanting and pour them over this thing and rubbing this and pouring water and juice and yogurt and all the stuff he's like he's like get the yogurt off the off the altar and I'm like what the fuck he's pouring yogurt on this guy's head but like we're it was it like dude it was so off the rails that like get the yogurt is going to be our new uh like someone's dripping too hard you know get the yogurt hide the knives and get the yogurt but I did by the end of it Noah I had experienced like um a few hours maybe six hours of feeling like I couldn't need a thing in the world that's nice and I had never felt so free I didn't need the clothes on my back I didn't need shoes I didn't need to be warm I didn't need anything like I had just come to a complete acceptance which I was hoping it would last forever but I'm trying to bring some of those uh uh that feeling and just remembering the freedom I have without needing something and how incredible it is you know because it is a it is a choice and it is an illusion thinking you need someone I need them to do this I need this I know the dependency that's where I think like the fear tends to come in is like there's a dependency on something and then I'm gonna get taken away and I think that is when you say 2d I was remembering the dmt thing I think that was pretty 2d it was just so fast that's the problem so fucking fast and I knew it beforehand wow yeah dude that was a crazy moment for all of us you know like even mare was just saying yesterday she was just like that was fucking intense man she was just getting to know us she's like is this how y'all roll like kind of actually kind of yeah but jeez the ease I fucking was so whacked out yeah man we talked to you two weeks later and you were still trying to get your head screwed on yeah it was that was a long integration because it was like I think the feeling that I just described about like the the like finality or like the calmness of like end of something I think that was the theme like a major resonant theme that I was ending up with and it was I think just like a new feeling an idea that like I hadn't like processed in the right way yeah and that's what it felt like coming out of it too it literally felt like I couldn't get back to like baseline of how I feel and I'm like oh my god I'm gonna feel like a crazy person forever and then like I slowly like it's like oh okay and it started when I remembered how like appreciative and grateful I was like yeah here and like no it was great but yeah that took me a little bit well are you coming back to a baseline or did you establish a new one that you've now like that's how it felt for us all week we were very sore this week because it felt like we upped our our operating system but the hardware needed a minute to kind of get used to it yeah it definitely felt like that for me but it was just like almost sensory overload like it was a shock to the system because like I hadn't gone that far out ever yeah nothing even close that was pretty untethered like it I was just like fucking through I couldn't identify it there was a beat any sense of a being would have been like a distant impression or being overlaid on to like your and everyone else's in the room phases which is a very different thing than like encountering like going into room and like all these things like yeah you became a human puddle that's what it felt like I was like whoa we puddled Noah like he's just become the five-year-old version of himself like a little lost and confused boy you know that's where I was I had no ability to get my psychic bearings which for me is like pretty remarkable like I can go really far out and still have like a vague notion of like me here which I'm comfortable with leaving but it was just being like whip sawed around and then the K part of it I think is what really made it last and yeah that's a crazy combination I would be scared to try that combination I think it's fine if you do it intentionally yeah I just don't think the way I did it like K is always a little wonky like you don't know exactly where it's gonna get you at any given point and so like you throw that in with like something that's gonna just like blast you out of your consciousness like yeah yeah you called for it and I wouldn't have given it to you if I had any sense that it was gonna go the way that it went because like I'm googling ahead of time and it's like this was orgasmic and I'm like oh okay cool well no is calling for this and I guess it's the right time because other people love this combination so let's do it wow god fuck man good times yeah crazy times good times you are saying hell it did we do it how long have we done this an hour 58 minutes oh man perfect nailed it lovely lovely look at that effortless we're gonna do another one yes yeah we are we're gonna do the very eight podcasts yeah you know that'll be the second one yeah we'll leave people into this yeah cool thanks Noah appreciate you thank you you're the fucking best peace love and magic peace [Music]

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