Riding Chaos Waves with Sean and Cass

♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ Welcome to Synchronicity. My guests, guests, this week are Sean and Cass, Sean Dunne and Cass Greener from the very eight podcast. My dear friends, this is their infinite appearance they've been on the show. They're pretty much always on the show, right? Aren't they? If we're really thinking about it, we get into the weeds in this one. We talk politics. talk, you know, trying to be able to, not trying, but writing fear frequencies, death, change, mortality. And there's a lot of, I don't want to say clashing of opinions, but it was very airy season shit, right, very like ramming different kind of perspectives onto each other. And what's cool is like, we always get along. So no matter how varying or divergent our perspectives may seem, we always kind of settle back into this nice like, yeah, I see your point, I see your point type shit, which is cool. I'm going to keep this intro super short this week. I have episodes with Ramin and Jessa coming up that I'm gonna be recording in the next week. Stay tuned for those new shit is launching 420. If you want basically what Patreon is now there's gonna be a thing going out you're gonna hear more about it. The whole new launch with a lot of shit coming out on 420 so stay tuned for that. Also big thank you to the people who reached out to send weed and all that stuff who didn't send it. What you guys fucking stoners? Guys, come on. I know it's a pandemic. That's not no excuse to not send me drugs. The mail's still running. Anyway, so to that, actually, I went to the dispensary in Massachusetts because they're like, you know, that's the place you actually have to go. Supply chains all fucked up outside of the city and other places. Not so bad.

I got to say, I'm not going to give them a name brand shout out because it's still too expensive. But anyway, send me stuff, guys. Come on, hit me up. What are you doing? No, podcast. Let's work this out. Outside that shit's good. I don't think I really have anything else to say. Subscribe, rate, and review this podcast. Go subscribe, rate, and review the very eight podcasts. They have their music show Church of Chill. We're going to be doing a lot of shit together as soon as we're allowed to congregate in person. Had my first encounter today out in the world with friends. I didn't know we're back in town and we were social distancing in this town in Ryan back and like we realized at least it was kind of more for show like we all knew we were healthy and weren't really gonna have to worry about it but we didn't want to like freak other people out so we did this dance you can do these quarantine parties right you know it's gonna be fun anyway if you're still freaking out because i recognize this is a week and the next week and the next week will probably be fear frequencies being blasted out to you just try to relax you're good this really there's probably lots of viruses when I say probably there are that you get all the time and you kind of like oh this is just a little cold that's a virus and that virus is probably killing people is it as deadly as corona who the fuck knows it's not important that's not the don't don't get too caught up in the quote unquote facts of the world know that you're good if you're listening to this the chances of you getting taken out by the rona are super fucking low just understand that intuitively, don't be reckless, don't go licking poles and fucking touching everything and rowing on yourself and other people like a crazy person, but you're good.

For real. If you need to hear that, that's fine. There's lots of things. I've been jumping on a lot of these live streams. The patrons know about it, trying to just keep everyone like, you know, it's good. And I will listen. There's a situation the other night where someone called me and they were freaked out about the way they were feeling and you know I just tried to walk them off the ledge and just be like you're good like you're one of the healthiest people I've ever met like you don't have to worry about it and then the next day they're like oh yeah I was just totally gassing myself up was freaking myself out so if you're freaking yourself out don't judge yourself no big deal just maybe pick something other something else to freak out about like something awesome and cool how you're God and everything bends your will if you actually understand how this works and you're being who should use it lovingly because It makes the world a better place and this is a fun place. Okay. Anyway, I think we're pretty good for this Do I need to do anything else? I don't think so Mailing list all that shit's gonna be apparent where you want to go and what you want to do websites cool You see the cool gifts people like those. I don't mention that enough sync podcast calm There's a website for this fucking show. It's cool. There's gifts and shit Instagram stuff's going on readings are going on. You know what to do. It's all super easy. I think we'll do some astrology stuff and some tarot stuff. This next episode I'm going to record is going to be fucking amazing. I have so much shit written down. Just buckle up. I think that'll get that out. Maybe over the weekend, maybe next Thursday. Who knows?

Depends how I'm feeling. Sign up for the Patreon if you want extra shit. You like I did that fun time. I don't think I should make a fart sound after I big up the Patreon. That's not, it's not good marketing. Anyway, Without further ado go check out their show very a podcast. Oh my god church of chill so great my dear friends love them to death Sean done and cast cream. Here you go Yeah, dude. Yeah, he got it two days after we were all together. Oh, so we had no he got it from I said he wrote to me. He's like I just got out of the hospital I was in there for two weeks and I have pneumonia in Corona and they're making me quarantine at home And I was like holy shit and then immediately looked back in my text and I was like, okay We hung out with him March 4th all three of us We definitely have it. No, I said when did you get it without even bringing it up?

And he doesn't know well, he kind of knows he said he was an outbreak at this show that he went to he was trying to get us to go to this show with him and he said the guitarist friend had it and Everyone there ended up with it Yeah Yeah, and like young people are getting hospitalized and then yeah, whatever anyway I mean, it's a thing. No, my mom just had her friend's brother and lodges died last night from it He was 72 healthy dude from Corona. Yeah, whoa down Well, I mean it's the thing is is though like It's hard to gauge the level of severity relative to other things yet like I know it's not something to be taken lightly But I do feel like there's a direct relationship between people like knowing what the effects are and then being like Oh my god I have it I feel really sick and just like buying into it because like even I don't want to be like to Cavalier about it, but I do know that like My relationship to like getting sick and being like ill since like last July Like there've been several times where like I felt like what to me would have been the classic symptoms of me getting sick And I was just like no. I literally was just like no And then I didn't get sick like that happened So many times when Eli everyone's throwing up there's all this shit around and like I didn't get any of it So I do that's why I kind of like try to temper some of the like real life facts and like crazy shit That's going on with like also just like okay You know if you can kind of like maintain the frequency that you like you know You're not getting hospitalized and taken out for real. You have to know that you can't be like kind of guess You at least can like operate at a place where you're not like buying into everyone's Worst nice worst case scenario. I mean because the truth is he got out right. This is out of the hospital He just had a wild ride man. He got stuck in a ditch more than 20 minutes, you know like Well, I think there's so many examples of the opposite of what you're saying, you know People like almost inviting these illnesses into their world and like throwing their hands up. I got it. I got it This is it. Oh my god I'm feeling symptoms and like I don't know what that I don't know what to attribute that to in society that there's so many hypochondriacs and people that like Maybe that's like a form of attention seeking like I want to be a part of this thing and therefore I think I'm kind of I think I have this and therefore you end up with it in some way Yeah, it is definitely like a collective insecurity though. I think with like their own mortality I think that's what I've noticed I think if you can embrace the idea of just like you're gonna die You know for sure like everyone else and really just kind of going in that place in yourself And then even embracing death on like a minute-to-minute basis feeling like the person who I was a minute ago is dead It doesn't I used to be a real bad hypochondriac like to the point where like if I got a little pain in my ankle looking up like cancer. You know what I mean? Like for real, like really bad. And I just noticed that I think people if they really ask themselves deeply inside, like, "Is it my time to go? Like, did I do what I'm supposed to do here?" If they can just get in touch with that question, they don't have to really worry about it. And yes, shit can get gnarly. You can get diagnosed with this. You can go to the hospital. You can know people around you who die, but you kind of know this is not your time. You can trust that more than you can trust the death ticker and the mortality fucking thing on the... I mean, I've been watching a shit load of Fox News. Like, that is my shit right now. What's going on in there? I love it. Oh, dude. First of all, here's what's going on.

First thing is, it's not nearly as biased as we thought it was. It's fucking crazy. Actually, like, I saw people grill the president. Like, it's weird how nonpartisan it is. I don't know if it's always been like this. I just started watching like two, three weeks ago. And be is like, it's just they're really good at fear-mongering. And that's what I want right now. Like if I want to go into it, I just want to get the fucking movie of like the apocalypse happening. So it's just like it's entertaining. And they kind of know what like I guess older people want, which is to be really freaked out right now because like they're vulnerable. But I don't know, man, I love it. It's so good. Yeah, we haven't consumed a lot of state propaganda.

I like it, you know, it of all times to do it. This would be a funny time to check in with it Yeah, that might burst my bubble in like a really nasty way like I mean the news is trickling and whether we fucking like it Oh, I recommend it if anything I do it's like a nitrous balloon a ridiculousness because it's such a carnival side show It's like a Tim and Eric thing. Yeah, that's what the approach if you can look at it through that lens and yes I recognize this is real life, but it's all stuff before but dude if you look at it like that. It's just it's good It's objectively good and it can be subjectively good and the truth is is like It's not making anything worse right now. You know what? I mean people are doing the same shit They're gonna be doing they're kind of stuck where they are. They're not really allowed to run the same pattern. So Yeah, I'm just relishing the opportunity. I can't imagine I'll watch this as soon as it like the curb tamps down like Done with it but right now it is it's kind of entertaining. I got to say I was telling Sean I'm like I'm having these visions of like my last breath while being on Like a respirator and she's like why would you visualize that and I'm like no you don't understand like I have to come to Peace like it's it's an active meditation of like letting go and accepting All right, the worst case scenario like going into my fear and being like okay This is the worst case scenario I'm alone in a hospital and a lot of pain and I feel like I'm drowning and And I try to have this horrible vision, I don't try to, it just keeps coming up, and it's probably a bad thing to do.

No, it's not. But I just like meditate through it and just, I even start having a little list of things that I'm gonna throw in my bag, so that like if I have to go to the hospital then. Oh my God, you're in it. You know what you're probably doing? Knowing you, you're probably just processing this. You guys do have to keep something in mind, you're literally like geographically kind of at the epicenter of where this is going on and a lot of people around you. what you're feeling right now, Cass, they actually will go through. You won't, you're not gonna have to worry. I guarantee, there's one thing I fucking know for sure is neither of you or none of these people who you know are getting put in a hospital for real or going through it.

I know you can be like, you don't know that, whatever. Let's see what happens. But people around you definitely will have this happen. People will die, right? I mean, it's gonna be a thing. There are gonna people who will have to gather their bags and shit and do all that. But your ability to kind of like go there process that actually does in my experience help alleviate and kind of take away some of their suffering because you're at least kind of treading this path for them that's already existing in consciousness where they can follow it. You know, you've at least done the work and what's cool is you don't actually have to go through this shit. You've risked a shirt too like and also like with the visualization stuff. It's not how it works. It's not like you imagine something that would be totally freaked out that it's definitely going to happen. In fact, the amount you're probably imagining it is serving as a repellent in a weird way. It's like the people who like really want something so bad and they're fucking so pressed for it. They're never going to get it. That's kind of the energy you're probably bringing to this. But yeah, I get it. I mean, I think it's really worthwhile to like go there and process that stuff and really like envision those scenarios to feel it. But then at a certain point, you know, I can drop it. It's an old operating system for for sure, like some of the way through this, I realized I was like, wow, I feel like I'm sometimes dealing with like a version of Cass from like five or six years ago, that was a lot more indulgent with the fear and then like, so I'm like, what's going on, what's going on, but I think it's just like, I think it's just coming up to the surface, like the things you think you may have eradicated, like when push comes to shove, it's like, oh, all those processes are still happening,

It's cool. - It's fear. I mean, the thing is about fear, like when you really kind of like get its message, which it's really more of an opportunity than something to like fuck your shit up. I mean, these situations like this are really powerful. They're like turbo boost, you know, in Mario Kart, it's like getting fucking mushroom.

Oh yeah. - You go real fast, right?

Funny analogies there, but yeah, I just think, I think it's, if fear, this is what I've been recommending for people 'cause I know a lot of people are freaked out. If it pops up, just use it as the tremendous opportunity that it is 'cause you guys, you don't sit in fear all that often. This is kind of like, you calibrate from this end of the spectrum, the same way you do from the bliss ones. Also, I mean, I will say this as delusional as it may sound to some people. If you can really just know that you're good, like your incarnation in this life is not destined to end up a corona victim, like not even in like a martyr way.

Like you're not gonna, like you're meant to do other shit. You can just free up a whole lot of space about worrying, like about that stuff. So I mean, I think that's worthwhile. And that's worth experimenting with at the very least because if that happens, that switch, that pivot from like super fear-based to just like, oh, this is weird. This is kind of crazy. and still acknowledging that this shit exists, like we're not denying the reality that there's a global pandemic, but not letting it consume the parts of you that like keep you trapped. I also think like no matter what this shit is just gonna end for people, like it's gonna end.

You know what I mean? Like it's gonna go away. And so use it for what it's worth while we're in it.

Oh, well, I mean, it's a great opportunity to realize our power again as people. Like you see how quickly we can shut down the economy and make things that seemed impossible possible, and start having conversations that people like Bernie have been trying to bring to the forefront for so long. They're just right there, and they're so obvious, and these old systems are proving themselves to be what they are, which is capitalism's a death cult. And today is the day it kind of turned the corner to where they're just really being masks off about it, and they're like, fuck it, I would rather die of Corona than see our way of our economic system crumble like a lot of people are saying that that's basically what Trump is saying basically Trump is coming out and saying we've crunched the numbers and it's worth the amount of people that would have to die to keep this thing going.

And that's serving that servicing his ego that servicing all the egos of these fucking small minded gross greedy men that can't handle being with their families that can't handle the love vibe that can't handle reconnecting they need to feel separate and they need capitalism and they're willing to fucking kill people in mass to keep that system going so like to bear witness to that like should be a beautiful moment for the people the workers to realize like fuck them this has been a death cult all along that's predicated on the people that aren't as productive dying off and now it's just happening like we took the acid this is the fucking come up we're getting into a new reality and there's people desperately holding on to the time before we took the acid and that there's gonna be a fucking nasty fight I think yeah I mean here's what's happened happened for me though I took the acid and I came out loving Trump like I legitimately like it's the weirdest thing and I don't I don't approve of everything he does but I started to see this weird perspective like here's what I haven't been willing to do yet with this pandemic and we'll see how it plays I can't blame myself for anything Trump has done in order in like in terms of like letting this spread I see the arguments that are put out like I really look at them And I think he really is more often than people realize in these like can't win situations He closes the borders to Europe people call him xenophobic. They say now while he didn't act fast It's like this weird these cracks in all of the foundations both partisan sides Or I think this is really what this is more than anything is a recalibration. Yeah, so I don't take my affinity for Trump Now is like I'm a Trump guy forever. I do I actually been in joint. I've watched a shitload of his press conferences And you're eating shit. Oh, I'm sorry. You know, I'm literally eating his shit I'm eating his shit and you are literally seeing what he's saying and caring about his ego and his feelings and exactly How he wants people to be which is where they get to this place where they think that?

You know exactly the things that you're saying right now that you didn't have any choice that he didn't know that Poor him all poor Trump. It's so hard for It's not for him. What I will say is I view it. I do Recognize that whoever is president whether I've liked them or not and I haven't really liked any president since I've been alive they do have to deal with more factors than are readily available for most of us and I I've just tended to reserve judgment most of the time when dealing with issues like this, because you can see on a day-to-day basis the complexity of this just shifts dramatically, and especially if people think Trump is an idiot, which I really don't at this point.

There's only so much you can shit on an idiot before you're the asshole. Do you know what I mean? Oh, I agree. recognize that he is definitely, like he's not blameless, he's not fullest, it is, you can see just in these interviews, like his first reaction is about his worldview and his ego. And I get that. Yeah. But I don't know that that's so much worse than what the majority of people are doing on a daily basis. Granted, it's a larger scale because he's president. But I don't know, I don't necessarily see it as eating his shit. I just see it as a perspective I haven't come in contact with because I've been so resistant to all of like the policies decisions, which are still like a parent, like don't get me wrong.

There's plenty of draconian things that I don't agree with. But I'm definitely the asshole who has the defense Trump. I mean, you're definitely, you're definitely from a similar school of thought as him, you know, what I mean, he wants to imagine and say the words the economy is going to go back to normal. The economy is going to be better than ever. You just wait and see everything's going to be good. He lives kind of with a similar imaginal technique of moving things forward in a positive direction, but that is to serve him, not the collective. And I think we need a president who puts the people first.

I think we need to elect people who put the people first. I think we're looking at a group of villains right now who are crunching the numbers like Sean's saying and saying, like, yeah, we'd rather just let people die with our--

A million people could die to save this economy. That'd be fine. As long as it doesn't happen on dear leaders watch.

Yeah, I mean, I think the thing is too is like, that's where like the numbers of deaths and like these statistics, like I'm very curious to see what the global death toll is when this is all said and done. And that's not to mitigate any, you know, severity, like each one of those people is a person, like with families. Like, so it's not to minimize that. But, you know, we know this. How many people are killed in, you know, genocidal violence every day. How many people strive starvation? How many people die from car accidents? Even Trump's silly analogy there, it does hold up. Like people don't die from car accidents.

No, it doesn't.

Car accidents aren't contagious. You don't get out of a car accident and then four days later pass it to your fucking dad.

It's not about the contagiousness of the car accident. It's the principle of we know these things kill X amount of people per day. We don't say to people 100% stop driving. this isn't to draw a direct line towards that, you know, there's actions you can take to prevent car deaths. No, that's what we have. These are GOP talking points that are thought up by the reptilians of this planet. I think you should stop watching fucking grosses, caves, and it's all about money, and then they get people like you saying, and you're a smart guy, and you're on the sauce, man. You have to think, you have to think about it, though, realistically, like here's the I know I'm sorry to cut you off, but realistically we don't know how many people are gonna die and if people don't if less people die It's because we self-isolated and right now. We're looking at 60 plus year olds having to be taken off ventilators because younger people are requiring ventilators Our friends like I just mentioned at the beginning of this call had to be hospitalized. He's a healthy young guy I mean nursing people with coronavirus. Yeah No, I mean, it's it's definitely a thing. Here's the thing though at what point?

do we stop like here's what I really believe I don't know if I shared it with you guys it is a Neville Goddard thing and there is a Trump Goddard connection oh yeah even more oh yeah we know about us we didn't we never wanted to put that in your face before but someone oh of course it's a it's a very direct one I mean his his pastor or preacher of his church went to the lectures and took a lot of that stuff and imbued it into this kind of which and let's be clear kind of what we're we're honing in on here it's this kind of GOP Republican and pull yourself up by your bootstraps, type of mentality that fuses with this imagination creates reality, which can lead to this kind of callousness that is every man for himself, which really is at the end of the day true, but if not kind of integrated into this dualistic dance that we're doing with each other, can get pretty reckless and hedonistic.

So I definitely wanna like address this. My only point when saying that my approach and kind of willingness to buy into or listen to talking points that maybe before I would have been like, it's just like a reptilian agenda. Has less to do with the actual substance of those things. I think all facts are malleable, truly. I mean, I know that's a very hard thing for people except that I think what facts are is things we believe in truthfully. I really do, and I know there's statistics and all these other things, but if you know your statistics, you know statistics are fucking the most malleable thing based on sample size and a variety of other factors.

But anyway, the point is, is with all of this stuff is if you can if it makes you operate in a place where you're more effective in terms of your own mental, emotional, spiritual and psychological health, which allows you to be there for your people around you, which allows them to feel better and kind of grok that they cab that option and ability to. I don't necessarily condemn or judge anyone else's viewpoint, even if it looks abhorrent. Even if it looks like absolutely the worst genocidal thing. Like I've had to reconcile some very difficult, you know, kind of mental exercises or philosophical exercises where looking at people like Hitler and being like, "Holy shit, what a soul."

Like what a soul to choose to incarnate in an earthly plane and be the worst villain for hundreds of years because of his fucking sadisticness. If we're looking at souls and carnating, that's a choice. He had to fit in and play that role in the world. So if you look at people playing roles rather than being shitty people or villains, it also shifts the priority and kind of responsibility from your end, which is if you look at someone like a villain and you're a smart, high vibe type of person, you may be actually condemning them to be a villain. So if you can look at Trump as maybe not like a worst piece of shit, reptilian overlord, but just because it's kind of like a confused little kid, it changes the way you can listen to what he's saying.

You don't have to buy it hook line and sinker, but you can at least get a crack in the door and be like, "Oh shit, this is this crazy fucking roll. This weirdo has chosen to do. Let's see if we can get him out of this somehow. Let's see if we can imagine him waking up just a little bit, just a tiny crack." I'm more interested in, I'm more interested right now in waking up my like fellow Americans. You know what I mean? That when he says like when, when everything's positioned as if the, the Democrats are stopping some bill that's getting them to have a check that we can stay like, Hey, let's look at what's actually going on.

Let's look at the corporate welfare that we're doing. Let's look at the bailouts and who they'd be going to. And let's realize that this isn't to help the people and that we should be helping the people right now and that what happened now is that we're seeing what the world looks like without a month of labor labor you know that's what creates wealth it's labor that creates wealth and it's labor and people who do that labor who should be rewarded and so I think it's a paradigm shift if we can just wake up to what's going on and what this is showing us it's not Trump and his fucking cronies that deserve the money and that it's gonna be trickle down And economics is just fucking pissing on people, and I'm over it.

It's created, and Fox News definitely perpetuates it. But what do we think about the idea that Bernie wanted to send, like, $2,000 a month throughout the pandemic to every American, right? I guess it's a start. No, no, and I agree, but like, what's actually happening in terms of the checks everyone's going to be getting is pretty close to that in terms of, like, now... Trump's left of most Democrats right now and yeah, it's pretty embarrassing for the Democrats Yeah, it's weird. That's what I mean. It's all topsy-turvy. That's what I'm saying Like I don't want to seem like I've just been like a right-wing propagandist. I genuinely think if you guys Took whatever drugs needed to be take and watched Fox News for like an hour. You'd be like, holy shit This is different than what we thought it was. Oh, yeah, not because you're believing anything. They're saying but As someone who literally never watched it, I was sure it was just all Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson's, just like, shitting on the...

It's not. It's not that they actually... But even Tucker Carlson, like, does some of the best interviews, and he'll bring on actual progressive voices that MSNBC will touch. To yell at them. But he gives them space. Like, he doesn't even do the thing that, like, Tucker Carlson was like 10, 15 years ago would do. I mean like so yeah, I mean I guess there's things to be respected there or whatever. I'm just I think it's like It's kind of fun and funny right now in week two of this to be like well We're watching the news like all this is gonna be flushed down the fucking toilet Like everything is about to fucking change yes the whole approach And you know I the thing I've always tried to wake people up to on our podcast is like The left right paradigm is the wrong one. That's what they want you thinking about. This is the top bottom one This is a class war and we're seeing it play out we're seeing what the rich have done to shore up their assets and make sure that they're taking care of and their families are taking care of while leaving the rest of us out to dry and what a beautiful moment as they're going to try to push us back into the workforce preemptively and potentially kill eight million people in this country alone what a great moment to realize our power and have a general strike and say we're throwing our bodies on the gears of fucking capitalism until that system changes and we stop raping this planet and exploiting each other and doing these different forms of slavery and putting different names on it like this is a time to allow that to happen and don't let it fucking don't let this moment pass by you know what we fucking did yesterday and I don't even know if this is something you can get in trouble for but we're trying to start there's 36 units in our building we put a fucking note on every single person's door saying no one should be paying rent no No one should be evicted and the building staff should be paid in full and not have to come in.

We can take over those duties. We can figure this out between ourselves and start a network that has power when negotiating with our landlords and that can share resources and information and make sure we have each other back if we're going to have to be in this building for months. And I don't know. We already have a coalition of six units out of the thirty six. That's really cool. Didn't take long.

I think that's also though an example of you shaping your reality because of something you believe in. And I think that to me is the most important aspect of all of this. Like you said, it's really not a political thing. I don't even view it as a top bottom thing. I just view it as people legitimately looking out into the world, looking inside of themselves and being like, what do I want to see? If this is a catalyst for people like you to completely re-change systems in your lives and then ripple it out, you know me. You guys are very convincing people. When you start doing some shit, I'm like, I am, I'm right, I'm gonna listen to you guys more than I'm listening to someone on TV, that's for sure.

So I just think that the main message with all this is we've had this massive pattern interruption and as we have these patterns, whatever they were, even just the regular shit we did that wasn't even part of like society, right, regular society, we have this wonderful opportunity, right, as spring is here to basically plant seeds and we get to plant whatever the fuck we wanna plant and if that's a revolution, it's revolution. If it's fucking, you know, my, I will say this, my kind of vision with how this stuff gets recalibrated into a more equitable system so everyone can actually thrive or have the ability to thrive, right?

Or the opportunity to thrive is I think it's gonna be a little more subversive than kind of a cultural clash. I think it's gonna take people who are part of the elite or people who are benefiting from these systems heavily kind of waking up and being one of the people recognizes oh let me redistribute this in an equitable way but I also do think one of the things that happens as you kind of restructure whatever it is just think of like a river flowing into a smaller kind of basin it has to be done in a way that's not rushing too quickly you're gonna have an imbalance on the other side and you're gonna have a flood so it does need to kind of be like and this isn't trickle down but this is kind of figuring out a way to to like irrigate change.

And that to me is gonna look like something, some synthesis of the current capitalist system and what you guys are talking about, which is kind of like this--

Psychedelic socialism.

On egalitarian psychedelic socialism. And I think what psychedelic socialism actually has to offer is like that you dose up capitalism. And then capitalism thinks that the best thing it needs to do, like this is the whole idea of changing the system to the motivations. Like I don't fundamentally believe that the systems and corporations that have been created are fundamentally evil. Nor do I think the people who actually benefit them are fundamentally evil. I think these systems have just had the wrong priorities and they got out of hand. So if you can change the motivation of what the systems are to make the planet healthier, to make people healthier, all of these things, it's actually not, it's like a judo flip rather than like a big fat fucking match between sumo wrestlers.

Like it's a quick little flip type thing.

Well, it's power corrupts. So we just need to like flip the power or like

Decentralize the power. - Decentralize the power. You know what I mean? Like I don't blame people for wanting to make money for themselves and for their family at the expense of other people. You know, that's kind of the nature of this, what we're doing. So I just, I'm hopeful.

I don't think it's our nature though. I think it is the nature of what we're doing, but it's not our nature.

Agreed.

I think really for the most part, like people like, God damn, how long ago, 200, 300 years ago, people wouldn't have left a fucking 10-mile radius of where they were fucking born. They'd probably see 100, 200 people in their whole life. Things were drastically different, and that's what we're more evolved for. It's really this hyper-capitalism, and that's created the cities and all this craziness that has completely changed that, and power got centralized during all of that. And now I think what we're seeing is a beautiful moment to see, oh, the federal government is something We all put faith in for a long time.

It's failing us right now. They haven't even, I mean, we are a failed state. We are a failed and failing empire. And the federal government hasn't even taken the steps to accurately assess what this problem is. So it's, I think, when we're beholden to a line on the Dow Jones going up and down, and we're willing to make human sacrifice to make that line go up, We've become beholden to the wrong systems and the people need to revolt. And that's not as scary of a thing as you think. A revolution is our collective immune system reacting and we have a fever and the fever fucking breaks. And then we go ahead accordingly.

And all psychedelic socialism, if I had to sum it up, it'd be like, there's a line below which no one drops. We cannot stand for people being homeless, for people having slave wages, for all of this stuff, for people not having healthcare, for people being left out to dry, like you can't play capitalist games until everyone's taken care of. So I think this is very revealing that the capitalist system is predicated on fucking death, on you fucking dying if you're not gonna fucking produce in the way that it needs you to.

Well then-- - Can't go ahead like that.

Then we have this very interesting question come up though. This is a really interesting one. Is death a bad thing? No, bodily death, bodily death not of your choosing because the state chose to ignore you and not have your needs met, like that is not something any of us should stand for and stand for even bearing witness to. I think a lot of the religious texts really point to that, that we have to be there for each other. You know, that was the good news that Jesus was spreading, and this is why they had to to kill him, the good news was that poor people, he was going around to poor people and saying, it is not God's will that you are in this situation.

Yes, you've got it. - And you should fight back.

Who's that? - Well, I know, but here's what I'm saying, God is you, but that you can resist, that you can fight back, and it's not God's will despite what the state is telling you, you are not destined to be in poverty, and there's ways to go about resisting, and Jesus was revolutionary, and that's why they had to fucking kill them.

I couldn't agree more. I though you know my thoughts on Jesus Christ. I'll acknowledge that I probably believe it was also a prophet and a man, but as a symbol of the resurrection of who we actually are, that's the function. When I hear God and God doesn't want people to be poor, I hear I am, I hear I am. And that is a comment that what we refer to as God is this collective I am and that each of us are one of these people with rules to play. I also, this is a belief of mine, doesn't have to be a belief of everyone. I believe every single soul, every single being that incarnates here chooses the exact moment of its death before incarnation.

What that means to me is that if I decided I'm gonna go on coronavirus, it has nothing to do with the federal government. It has nothing to do with the state government. It has nothing to do with kids going to beaches. It means that this was my appointed role to die there. That's a terrifying thought for people who view death as a finality, as an end, as something that is going to mean the end of or they've been plucked away from us. But to me, that's more of a sign of people not investigating the question of death or not confronting their fears of mortality. And I'm not saying here that like I'm done in that way at all, but I do know the kind of ego and psychic, I don't like the word ego there, but the psychic deaths that I've put myself through on psychedelics, off of psychedelics, really helped me have a better approach when I see someone die, and I've been around death in my life. I've had very close friends and family members die, and I've witnessed death beds. What I felt since those people's deaths really does remind me that the finality that we view here, stuck in time and space, is kind of a misperception and a misapprehension of what's actually going on.

This doesn't mean that we should be reckless and hedonistic and just like buy into a death cult all the time. However, I think this is waking a lot of people up, like I really do. I think it is serving a function that may not be comfortable or pleasant and may have more suffering than people want, but it's certainly serving a function without a doubt. It definitely feels like something Sean and I have been practicing for years, you know, like between practicing dying with psychedelics and letting go of who we thought we are and what we do and what our job is and what our identity is. And it kind of feels like we've been staying home a lot and staying in and trying to get more building our tribe building our tribe. And all this stuff happens. And now everyone's like kind of in our position where they're home and not knowing when they're going to get their next make next paycheck if a next paycheck is ever going to come. And it's like kind of a way we've consciously decided to try to live our lives, you know, with like a free fault to thrust into the universe. So it's like kind of recalibrating in a way which I agree with what you're saying is like coming in to trust and alignment and acceptance of the things the way they are. That said, I do believe personally that we dance with our reality and every moment, every choice, every thought creates a new reality and it jumps us to a new place in the multiverse.

So maybe in that last multiverse, you chose that you were going to die in coronavirus, but this multiverse when you decided to be more active or vote with your best interest in mind that you're getting into a multiverse where you're not going to die of coronavirus and that's where I'm like at this place where I think we saved lives when we regulated that people have to wear seat belts. We saved lives when we take drugs off the market that aren't. We kill people when we say that they should, like Trump is saying, that you should do certain drugs to treat yourself with coronavirus and people are self-treating themselves with coronavirus and dying.

Do I think he has those deaths on his hands? I do. I do think he does. We save lives when we end wars and make peace because all that is a virus, it's just a different, it's just fought in a different way. That's like the Bhagavad Gita though, right? If you look at the Bhagavad Gita and you draw the conclusion that war is bad, you fundamentally miss the point and this isn't condoning war as a thing we should do. know me is probably one of the most peaceful non-violent people you'll meet. I just don't, I mean, I have it in me, but I don't really express it that often. But the Bhagavad Gita is really good at showing Arjuna, right? All of these are God, all of these characters are you, that this battle between him and his family, this like blood feud, is the catalyst that gets him to realize the true nature of reality. And he transcends that and Krishna is constantly telling him, you gotta kill these people. You have to fight them. You can't run away. You can't stop in the middle of the battlefield and not do this. This is the nature of duality.

This doesn't mean that we just allow our lower natures and just like to become shit people because it doesn't matter. But it does mean there is always going to need to be some relative aspect of darkness, of shit we don't, you know, put in the light. But what I've notice and this is something I really I thought of I was on a jog the other day and it just it clicked and I was like oh my god it makes a lot of sense I think for those of us who carry the light it's quite literally our function to seek out the dark that's what you carry the light for you're holding it in front of you and you're using it to go through the dark so that means like we've incarnated here probably pretty specifically to really experience this and understand what the message is what that message is is totally up to us for me, what I've kind of taken it as a re-affirmation of is that this is our world. We do jump timelines. We do jump dimensions. Every time we put our train of thought somewhere. And as a former hypochondriac to see my reaction to this, both not just in my words, but my actions and just like my vibe. Again, one of the more transformative experiences of my life because this shit would have cracked me, especially with children. You know what I like I got a baby and like you know it's just like it's just there is a real power that can be revealed through these experiences and I guess I take external reality more as kind of like an example of the places I can can work on right and myself more than actually is anything that's real I really feel like it's just a projection and like Trump is a villain and there's a lot of villains in our lives, right?

The people who fucked us over, the people are being dicks or difficult or whatever. But if we can see them as like characters, like rather than like walked in, fixed in people who exist, I don't know, it just gets a lot of things. I think by saying they're a villain, I'm calling him a character and he's a character that I'm going to dance with. And that's like, yeah, I mean, I think Sean and I are ready to fight. We are going to fight and we are fighting. We're fighting with our words right now. We're fighting with our actions. We we are in the fight and we do realize that just because you know, I don't, I don't, they're things about Trump lately that have brought up the feelings of hate. But yeah, I agree. I don't want to hate anyone. I accept people for the dance that they're doing. Like, but this is the last time you want to root against our president.

You know, this is not the time for that. It's not the time for like, Oh, look, I told you so what they're doing, the bills that they're trying to pass to stimulate the economy are fucking bullshit. They're, you know, stuff like that needs to just be brought out into the light. Cas and I are pretty good at that. Yeah. And we just, we know that people are disappointed that they're not getting a check, you know, yesterday, you know, and they think that, yeah. Yeah. And there's just some, just bringing a more awareness to, you know, it's a little that we need to see who's distributing this money and how they're doing and they're doing it with their own best interest at heart. And the people have power. And I think what we want to remind people is that we have power, you know, we don't, we can be an accepting every accepting everything as it is, but that doesn't mean you want to let go of your personal power to change. Totally. And this is where I think the root of kind of my belief system rears its head, whether ugly or otherwise, is I think if people sit down and imagine themselves in the summer with the perfect relationship to money, their government, their family, their health, the environment, you will naturally start running the script and everyone will that needs to be done to get you to that point. That's where I think the real power is. It doesn't mean that all those things that you mentioned don't happen, psychedelic, psychedelic socialism, you know, a more restructured egalitarian for the people stuff. That's all possible. But I think the way it really happens in a my direct experiences is you imagine those states and then just believe them and then you naturally do that and you see the world kind of conform to it. I mean, you know, know, I was a Yang guy. Listen, Yang obviously isn't going to be president, but one of the things that is damn, it's not, you know, if people start getting $3,000 checks, that's three months worth of Yang time. So it's just like one of these things that you, you don't get too attached to the means and the specific outcome, but the feeling of knowing that this shit worked out and that your family is safe and healthy. I mean, I do a real, this is a real tricky one to do and you got to really believe it.

But if you can imagine the end of your life, you know, however you would like it to be peacefully, everyone around you or just going in your sleep at one night and you really believe that you don't have to worry about dying in coronavirus, even if you get put on a fucking ventilator and get sent to a hospital, there will be a deep part of you know that knows like that's not it. So you can tap into your death, like your future death. That's a real fucking mind blower for people because it feels so wrong. It feels like this unknowable piece of information but experiment with this stuff just to see what happens and how it changes your conception and what I can promise you it doesn't do is remove the prospect of death from your mind.

It doesn't just like push it away so you don't have to deal with it. It pushes you towards it and really starts kind of like helping you find intuitively what you want your relationship to it to be but this is the seed planting time for me. It's spraying. You guys are going to be up here in my new place. I know already how it looks, so that's why I also have this attitude and it's not just based on idealism or wishful thinking. And look, fucking all great seeds start in sequestration and then they grow their networks and then they grow above ground and they bear fruit and it's a beautiful thing.

I mean, it's a time definitely we can tap more into gratitude and those practices and realizing you're living in perfection and maybe this was the collective in-breath that society needed to realize some things, you know. This is a good time to learn how to meditate and I've been afraid of psychedelics a little bit. Like, almost like this is so psychedelic that like, Like, 'cause Cas and I are normally like fucking, we'll take a tab or two of us at any time. Like, who cares? Let's smoke some toad, let's smoke DMT, let's take the ayahuasca, but like, well that seems a little besides the point now, because we're in the collective thing that we're normally tapping into through these chemical portals.

We're in the societal version of that. And yeah, I mean, I feel like when we talk about death, that's, I think of toad, I think of this toad medicine that basically kills you and kills every version of you that you could have known before held onto and you have this blank slate to start over. This is gonna be society's version of that. And I think of ayahuasca, like when we're saying about war, that's what ayahuasca brings you into. It brings you into the shadow realm, that war right below the surface that's always being fought and you can kind of learn to surf those seas a little bit. And that's like one of the huge gifts of, I think, being people that I think I consider us all carrying a light is like being able to go and plunge yourself into the shadow realm, into those depths, learn how to surf down there, and then therefore be the kind of person that can hang during this kind of thing.

Really be the church of chill, yo, fucking embrace it. Find that inner chill. Society is not training you to chill. It's to training you to be productive, and get mortgages, and pay things off, and keep this rat race scramble, fucking the hamster on a wheel mentality. And we're just talking about flattening all that out, getting into your, and tapping into your inner chill, which is the way we all wanna feel. And I think they leave us at home like this for too long. People are gonna truly end up valuing that. And that's the most revolutionary thing you could do is start valuing your time and stop with this neoliberal attitude of saying, no, my good time's gonna come at the end of my life when I've saved for it, when I paid off this, when I got the husband, when I got the, no, it's now.

It's now, and if people start valuing that again, capitalism doesn't stand a chance. It's a joke. Here's what I think is happening. I think that's inevitable. I think it's happening right now. I do think there's validity to what you're saying in terms of some of the kind of different way of viewing society and the economy that there is kind of this death now, like we don't want people to actually see that they don't really need this to work. But I don't know that that's something that we I think everyone processes that individually in their own way. Collectively, it's happening like I think it by 2024, what we know is like modern day society and culture like we will be shocked that we ever did it that way in the same way that like the internet before the internet it's like hard to kind of like people don't who haven't been around that right didn't grow up with that like they don't know this is an inevitability I think the best thing we can do is find the places that we feel are dissonant right the these these points of view these perspectives or these energies and figure out how to harmonize with them temporarily right brand play a chord that matches them and then you can transition to another chord from that chord that's kind of what it feels like right now for some of us some people are just riding this wave I mean there are people who have no experience with psychedelics or this state of consciousness that's just kind of naturally happening for people. That's it's kind of an uncertainty. Yeah.

Well, it's got to be a nightmare right now. I had a like a premonitions in like 2000, 2003 of like things like this happening. It was just the oh for 2000, 2003. No, like for in the future. It felt like, you know, somewhere around this time that there were going to be a lot of people who hadn't kind of experienced the things I was going through on psychedelics at the time, that they were kind of be going to be forced to do that and just base level reality. And if we look at the past two years, year and a half, people are being forced to deal with this shit regardless of whether they're taking drugs or not.

Hopefully they have. So they have the experience. But I mean, 2020 is drugs, you don't need them. You can use them to enhance if you know how to use them. But like, yes, this would not be a time I would want to be discovering acid. I'm glad we did our work with that and it's just it's like too apparent because we really do go through life with the belief like that like everything's happening for us and we're in perfection we're in these beautiful temples we just have to maintain them and we get to experience this beautiful perfection facts it's it's you know that like I really do believe that but the the eariness in which this all came to a head like we all went and had the the most blow out when we saw me.

I know, same.

And we all took Molly and there was 10 of us and it was like just like the homies and everyone was at like our favorite fucking band like that we got this like orgasmic explosion before the world shut in on us. And then like Cass and I like totally were like having this like natural like bodily retreat type of moment right before this, not even knowing about coronavirus. And then we met Carrie who like joined up in this thing and we've been quarantined together and having a beautiful relationship and like, just like it's what we needed to get through this. Like we might have been losing our damn minds.

And if we were losing our minds, we'd probably think that was the gift too. But like, I don't know, I feel like it's the universe like rewarding us a little bit for having held space like this for so long already.

And you know what I believe is you are the universe quite literally. I think lovers found each other at this time to get through this and not only write it out like in a not freaked out way, but in like a very amazing like this is the best time of my life just to be clear. And like that's not me too. It's incredible and I'm enjoying it to its full extent and still that's why I've been watching the news. I don't wanna stay detached from this stuff. I wanna fucking be able to watch this stuff and carry that vibe. Like I also think the healthiest thing people can do outside of any drugs or even social distancing is like when you share this love with people in physical proximity, you know, who doesn't have a virus or whatever, you're making yourself immune.

It is really difficult to get sick when you're feeling the amount of love that you guys are feeling. That I know that I'm feeling like it's, you may get a little ping of it, but the antibodies, whatever we refer to as antibodies, those are fucking jacked up, like a fucking, you know, like they're just killing shit in the best possible way, glowing, right? How much are you guys been glowing? I see it now, it's insane. We're having the best fucking time over it would be inappropriate to fucking even even get into it But it's so good that the balance of coronavirus seems like oh yeah Did we do this we're on the same page this is how I feel to I was like are we actually doing this?

Are we because we feel so good and making people die? Fucking ventilators. I get it dude. This is the funny thing is like when you say you're watching Fox News like to me I'm like oh no is doing good. That's probably the most grounded thing I've heard of him doing it a long motherfucking time, but if you heard about us watching Fox News It'd be like what's up with those guys. There's some horrible, you know, it's it's funny. Yeah, I wouldn't care if you were watching Fox or MSNBC I'd be like it's all the same. Oh, yeah, I watch them all. Oh, yeah, I flipped through them all I just have naturally found my home and Fox Dude, you're the best. I love it, man. Oh my God. I'm glad to hear you guys are also in this love vortex I had a lot of people emailing me and sending me messages, like, am I allowed to feel this good during a pandemic?

I'm like, absolutely. That's your job. Like, it's quite literally your job. Like, the last thing you want to do is doubt these intense waves of positive feelings because like you're holding that shit down probably for like a mile radius, at least around you, like, and that's what I really, like, people, you know, whether you're listening to music or watching comedy or just hanging out, just like, Whatever it is, if you can spin that out consciously with like also kind of protecting your vibe, that's the best thing anyone can do right now.

Plus, this might be the end of our days. Enjoy yourself, you know?

Oh yeah. - Enjoy yourself.

Oh yeah.

That's why I got that tank refilled, man. We made it a week into this quarantine before I was like, I wonder if you're doing nitrous deliveries.

Do they do upstate? This is what I need, like in my life. (laughing)

No, but I probably could acquire a tank that I could slip in your trunk very in a sterile way, you know?

I would do it, man. You know me, I came in what? A week ago, you don't even know.

You had the right idea. You definitely had the right idea.

I knew it. I had to get in and out.

Yeah, what about weed? Have you been smoking weed?

I've been going to the dispensary in Massachusetts. They have the tape all set up. It's the most efficient this place has ever been. It's pretty good. I yelled at my listeners to send me weed. And so like several people have reached out, I'm waiting for those packages, but yeah, no, of course I'm smoking wheat. Okay. I mean like Jesus Yeah, I smoke a little less cuz I say I got to protect my lungs. Yeah. Oh God Cass I God bless you But you think you need to protect your love. I know she and she's it's really cute But she does definitely hold space and being like very healthy like She doesn't fucking need the joint like she doesn't grab for it the way I do she doesn't think about it Well, and when I do smoke I get so hot

Yeah, and it's very funny.

Yeah, I love weed, it's really great.

Dude, we just got probably the strongest weed ever from you know who, and like, I haven't had weed make me hungry.

He's eaters, I'm eating all of everything.

No, let me tell you something, okay. I don't even, I think this is part of like our energetic function is to like eat a lot of food. I've been noticing these waves.

It has nothing to do with my physical appearance or weight or anything, just like sometimes I want hail food for days at a time. I just think it's like this balancing. It's all energy.

You might be eating for other people right now.

Are you eating a lot right now?

Yeah, a fair amount, I mean, not like, I mean, I used to overeat. So I'm like, yeah, man, there's no holding back. That's for sure.

No holding back, oh dude, I'm not holding back at all. Especially 'cause we have another little stoner gamer goddess over here. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna make waffles.

And I also know they're not gonna be feeding us vegan food in the hospital so no we gotta get it in the hospitals oh my god we're not gonna end up there zero percent chance just I like to live my life we're like I am grounded in that reality so I can really fully like it's my own dance I have my own dance that I do you know what I mean it's it's one of the path of least resistance and I might have a little more anxiety flare up than Sean does because he doesn't pay attention at all but I'm distracted I'm

I'm distracted.

I pay a cute attention and I'm still somehow blissfully not anxious about this shit. But I think it's important that when you feel feelings like anxiousness, depression, sadness, definitely don't ever push them away, that if you're meant to experience them, take them for what they're worth. If they start to hold you and kind of consume you, then it's time to reevaluate. But I mean, there's no shame in feeling anxiousness at all. No, it happens when it happens. It happens like a wave, you know, and you just let it like crash through you.

You've seen it, you've seen me go through them.

Yeah, yeah.

You've watched the spas dance.

No one's immune.

I think we've all seen each other go through. We've known each other long enough now and been unreal enough with each other that we've all surfed them together, you know. And I think that surfing them together, rather than tamping them down, because tamping them down, it's just the threads that bundle up that make depression and anxiety. Like so when those fears are coming up, it's like it's a good thing. Just like fucking get them out. Whatever To a pillow do whatever the fuck you got to do tell a friend write something go on a podcast do whatever you have to do To like just hear how ridiculous it is instead of tamping it down because it's too scary to feel right now You're definitely setting yourself up for a mental breakdown of some sort or depression or 100% the best of you I think also like we're a little bit in a route for a route awakening like I think we're able to I like want to talk softly because I don't want to like make this a big thing. I know we're doing this. No, but anyone listen to it.

I'm like maybe people tune out at this frequency, but like we're looking at this for this isn't gonna be like I don't know. Never mind. I'm gonna focus on. No, fuck it. No, I'm gonna envision myself in the summer with all my friends. I'll tell you what I actually think is gonna happen. I think the summer is pretty realistic in terms of people. Again, remember at least just from the epidemiological easy for me to say since the thing here isn't that this is the deadly is killer and it's gonna fuck you up like it's the plague we know that it's not the thing is is that we don't want it already shitty health care system to be overwhelmed by everyone getting sick at once and they're not being enough resources to deal with it so as long as that legitimately they call it flattening the curve but really as long as the cases don't exponentially continue to go up which they won't because nothing does for forever, maybe over time, but not like in a parabolic sense, then this does become kind of more like a flu like thing. And then the system can actually accommodate people who are really showing symptoms, they'll say like, Hey, if your birthday is between this day and this day, you're allowed to be outside the month of June, or on Saturdays or something. This is what they so they did this in Turkey. They told people that who are over the age of 65, I think they have to stay inside. It's actually like a rule and they're enforcing it.

So I mean, this is like, and in China, you know what China, here's the weird fucking juxtaposition. This is where it was kind of an entryway for me for kind of the right wing, if you want to call it or Trump agenda type stuff is. China, who flattened their curve, who really now reported less and less case every day, the way they did it by being the most police state ever, they fucking literally like trapped people in doors, like they literally like the face technology.

Boreda people in?

Yeah, so like, there's this weird dichotomy between these authoritarian, restrictive, anti-freedom quote-unquote measures that were very effective at making this not a pandemic, whereas in the United States, where we value the ability to do whatever we want, we see that kind of saying, showing up as like young people.

I don't know. To me, this is like the Fox News view of it.

But it's not.

Because like, my view of it is that the way that they've structured their society, they are light years ahead of us in terms of technology, spreading of truthful information, and people-- - Who is China?

Respect with China, yeah.

Yeah, I see. - Oh, they're light years ahead of us, and they use that technology to spread the information, get people on board, and their government was on board with this, not trying to hide behind it, because they're not trying to inflate some fake economy. They have a planned economy. So they were able to enforce these measures pretty quickly, but it was really more self-enforced. When Fox News is going to report this, they're going to say, hey, look, I know we hate China, but we do love a police state and fascism. So that's the thing that stopped the pandemic. It couldn't be all the other fucking things.

That's not where I got that information though. I got all that stuff before I was watching Fox News from like CNN and like all these kinds of, listen, it's not that much better. They are, but what I'm saying is it's like the narratives, like it's verifiable. Also just like Twitter people who live there, They're like legitimately like, yeah, they lock these people down. Oh, yeah, they lock down cities. My mom literally called me today saying like, has some freaking out like there. It's basically elder side. They're willing to let old people die. And there's even people talking about rounding elders up and putting them in like military camps, you know, guarded military camps, you know.

So it's, uh, obviously I thought that was a little dramatic, but, uh, We are seeming to be in a place where we're devaluing the lives of our parents and our grandparents, and even ourselves, because I don't think any of us are safe. I think that won't last long. I think that's why we're still hanging on to the last little death rattle of the systems that were. And, you know, it's hard for people because they feel like they're shedding their identity when you're saying, the idea of work as we knew it is over, the idea of rent and mortgages and borrowing and capitalism, and the way we knew it is over, that feels like you're stripping them of them, of them, of their identity.

That's true. And they have a really hard time being creative and thinking outside of that whole paradigm. So that's where a lot of fears are going to come up. And those are the fears that I think most people are going to be dealing with in the next month or so. I couldn't agree more. On the other end of that, don't you think it's a beautiful thing to be like, "Oh, I've shed that identity. Now I can create a life that works more in alignment for me, and maybe as a country we'll see less addiction, less despair deaths, less murder, less crime. Think of it too. Like when you said shed your identity, if you think of like a skin or like a lizard when they molt and shed that outer layer, it's like a raw exposed skin that's underneath and that might not be the most comfortable state to be in.

And I think a lot of us who are going through this kind of shedding of identity, and you guys saw me do this about as much as anyone over the past year. it's kind of an, it's an invitation to get comfortable with that rawness because it does harden up and it does start to feel comfortable and then you shed that one and you just do it naturally but this is a process that I think collectively we're going through and individually. And it's just like if you can ride these waves and actually feel good and actually know that the chances are, if you're listening to this or if you're one of us, chances are you've set up a pretty fucking amazing path for yourself.

And this lifetime, and this timeline, and this dimension, and to just embrace that and know it, it just frees up all of that creative energy. It frees up all the things that you have inside of you to actually be expressed and come out, which is really what everyone wants. And that looks different for everyone. But you don't even have the opportunity. And one thing I will definitely agree about, and I've experienced this directly, is one of the fundamental flaws that I saw with the system that was created, is the amount of pressure that's put on people from a financial system, from an educational system, from helping, it doesn't even let people get to a, you know how I legitimately had to pull myself out of that?

I mean, it was a conscious decision, but the things that I had to do just financially to make those decisions, I had to take out loans. I had to be like, okay, I know what I'm doing now. And that was such a fucking mental uphill climb that I don't think most people are prepared to do. what they have to do, they have to do it, right? And that's the thing, like, when you get that kind of, and people are in this right now, they're not going to jobs, a lot of people, they're gonna start getting checks from the government, they're gonna have a month at least to kind of chill out, use that as an opportunity to home and on what you actually want to be doing in this world, 'cause you're getting this like beautiful, weirdo break that is probably unlikely to be, not many people have ever experienced this.

No.

If ever.

Yeah, wow, this isn't same. or our parents' life, they've never been like something like this in two generations that we know of.

Yeah, yeah, so I just, again, it's an opportunity. I just think of the most beautiful caliber and you have to also acknowledge the beautiful horror of death too. Like, you know what I mean? That's the trick here. And if you can hold both of those like two sides of a coin, like you're doing pretty good.

Yeah, the thing that's different about this one, like as opposed to like even some of the stuff you were saying before, all the people that I die, Even like 82,000 people died of heroin last year.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying.

We don't think about that because we think it's their fault. Now there's something, and it's like, how can we blame, and who can we blame, and it's a tough one, 'cause it's not discriminating.

It's not.

So to me, I hope a moment like this wakes us up to all those other people. Every day I wake up thinking about the people in prison right now, and how silly it is that anyone--

We're starting to let them out.

Are they? Yes, dude, I'm watching on the news. They're letting out in like Pennsylvania, a thousand plus people today all over the country. Oh, fantastic. They're not doing any low level offenses. They're not bringing them to jail. Like all non violent things aren't being prosecuted and brought in. Dude, you know, like the shit that you actually like have been imagining is literally, it's the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life. Well, if there's one thing we imagine a lot and try to pull people with us 'cause it's such a hard thing for most people to imagine, it's prison abolition. It's the end of slavery as we know it.

It's happened. And yeah, like these things, these kind of calamities will force our hand on those things, or, or we can use it as an excuse to go further back to sleep, further into oppression, unlike. I don't think I don't think that's even really what I what I would describe this as as I got this from Jessa, who I still you guys got to connect with maybe during the pandemic. Um, is she described it as like a washing machine and she describes it as like 3d to 5d 5d is this realm of unconditional love and interconnection that most people are not comfortable or familiar with you guys are for a lot of people. They're getting thrown in this washing machine from 3d, which is kind of base level. This works a to b logic, everything thrown into this washing machine spun around and people are getting spun around right here real hard.

And then for people who wanna like kind of coast through it, they can get out. But for the people who wanna ride this motherfucker out to the end, they're gonna get slammed down into this reality where we've been existing for a fair amount of time and it's not gonna be bad for them. It's not gonna be some hellscape where everyone's back to sleep again because it's gonna be so ridiculously difficult to run these patterns when people realize that they're not needed and how uncomfortable they are. That's the whole thing. It's not even gonna be like an amazingly brave choice for a lot of people, it's just gonna be like, no, I don't wanna do that anymore.

It's that simple. I very much believe, like I was telling Casman, you were in the bathroom, I'm like, 2024.

I was just about to say 2024. Remember that card we pulled of the moon when we were talking about the lunar eclipse, or solar eclipse, or whatever of 2024, and how we're all gonna live on this commune of state together.

Oh my god.

And we're gonna have this beautiful world. I don't know if that's what you were gonna say, but it's just been going through my mind a lot. Hey, I mean, I see it firsthand every day up here too. Like, I mean, one of the coolest things that you guys didn't get a chance to experience is two days ago. After everything had been shut down for about a week, the birds started coming back. I have never in my life seen this many types of birds, this loud of birds, it was the, we're just walking through is the most crazy thing. And we realized, jucks fucking crows, robins, woodpeckers, the crazy shit were like, oh my God, it's kind of like what's happening in Italy.

Like shit is being shut down so much, the animals are starting to come take back over. It's like the beginning of 12 monkeys, minus all the 5 billion people dying. Like it's absolutely incredible. And I think if people shift in and see that this is so much better, like so, so much better that way of life, like people will naturally gravitate towards those things rather than it having to be some cataclysmic. This is about its cataclysmic as it gets. And while it feels very apocalyptic right now, I guarantee sooner than people realize, we will look back on this and be like, wow. You know what, could have been a lot worse and we actually handled it pretty fucking well considering how bad things could have been and how good we feel now.

And that we know that. That we needed it. That this happened because we needed it because we, I mean, this happened because of our encroachment on natural habitats. That's where these viruses come from and that's why these things happen. And they're gonna continue to happen as we encroach on environments of natural habitats. And this is a beautiful thing that makes me so optimistic.

Yes, think of viruses, like everything inside of Earth, think of Earth as one giant being. Everything inside of Earth is organic and natural for Earth. Even the stuff we would probably call artificial, things we've created like plastic. It's still a part of this living Earth system, right? So LSE would certainly be one of them. And LST, very important to point out, it's root is decay. It's from the mold of the ergot plant. So we have this beautiful synthesis of wheat, this life-giving, Dionyssean kind of archetypal energy, and then the death that comes from it, which is the mold. That's why LST is so great.

But anyway, the point is, is that we're recalibrating the planet in a pretty powerful way. It's up to us, the kind of latch on to the frequency where we allow it to happen, rather than fighting it. But again, the earth, the virus, it's the earth. It's literally, to me, what it feels like is mother earth, father time, whatever you wanna call it, being like chill the flock out. And for people who still don't wanna chill out, they will continue to be knocked back on their asses until they chill out, and it's fine. It's not like a mean thing. It's kind of like a parent telling their kid to stop having a temper tantrum.

That's what it feels like the earth is doing to humanity. And I'm like, I'm cool with it. Like I didn't think it was going so great. Yeah, I mean, I'm cool with dying. If I have to die to still the little birdies can come out, like, I'm, like, that's why I'm going through these processes of experiencing like a bad death. You know, I'm, I'm allowing things to happen because I, I do want to trust in the beauty of this world. And I do want this earth to be a beautiful place for the, for the animals and the people that inhabit it, you know, like to me, it's such a beautiful message of cosmic love from Gaia, to us specifically, the humans specifically.

And how often does Gaia send humans only specific message to get our shit in order? That transcends oceans and transcends nations and laws and all the ways, like how often is Gaia like, oh, here's one for you. You know, even the message is that Gaia sends us in terms of witnessing climate change. That's for everything. You know, like that's not specifically for humans. And it's, we've also learned to ignore it. And now she hits us with something like, how can you ignore this?

Can't.

And cosmic love, that dose of cosmic love, isn't mushy, cuddly, romantic love the way we think of it. It's highly indifferent to our feelings.

Absolutely.

And here we are. So, you know, just the ultimate fucking wake-up call to stop fucking raping the planet, stop exploiting each other, please.

And it's, and what's cool to me is that, even for people who don't think about that or even recoil when they hear that. Like I heard Trump say saying today and something I didn't agree with, I was just laughing at it. He's like, they want us to shut down oil. Like, no, it was basically no fucking way.

Yeah, you see who has it here.

But what will happen is systems, I'm telling you, they're really just gonna happen. Like the systems will emerge that it's more efficient and you make more money from stopping doing that and doing something else. That's naturally what will happen unless this thing all blows up. And every vision I've ever seen does not end up with destruction in this immediate future, right? I think this is just the game that we're playing up. And yeah, there are versions of us that maybe choose to incarnate right towards the end before the planet blows up, but we're not there. We're not even close to there. We're actually in an age like, I know a lot of people think of these yugas, right?

These Indian Vedic cycles. And a lot of people think we're in the Kali Yuga, which is this age of where everything's getting darker dark and worse and worse and more fucked up and we're not. We're in the Dwapura Yuka which is actually the re-emergence of the light but it's really slow and it's really gradual and we're in kind of like the early middleish phases of that. So for people who kind of catch that and recognize that you see all of the examples you would need to see that that's what we're in the age where that exists. But what we are experiencing is clearly the depth of an age that was kind of an unconscious masculine age, aggression, domination, you know, insecurity, all of these. And listen, if it was an unconscious feminine age, all of those things would have been expressed in that way. It just happens to be masculine. This is not saying the feminine is better. It's not that it's just a rebalancing. And one of the best parts of the feminine energy that is kind of coming back in is this destructive, Kali-like energy. It doesn't mean we're in the Kali Yuga. It just means that energy exists as a positive influence on the planet. And if that means, I don't want to make this sound cavalier or nonchalant, but thousands and tens of thousands of people die as a wake up call as your self included call, my self included right could be, although it's not going to be for us, a bubble, you know, that that's what it needs to take. I mean, really being able to maintain the mentality that Everything is perfect, especially when it doesn't seem perfect. That's a fucking that's a superpower, man That's like that's a whole fucking game like that's it's not easy But it's it can be easy, but it's typically not the easiest thing at first, but man that is it's the best You gotta yeah, this is all of our cross to bear and it's time to die to who you thought you were Yeah, I'm with it Guys this was fun. It's very fun very very fun. Oh, it's a pleasure Yeah, you guys are the best. We'll connect soon too. Cool, man. Yeah, let's talk. We'll catch up. All right. I have a recording (upbeat music)

(upbeat music) Thanks for listening to that episode. Go check out Shawn and Cass on their podcast. They have documentaries. I didn't mention that in the intro because I'm a dingus, but they have the best documentaries I've ever seen. Go check those out at very ape.tv. I think they're on YouTube. I think, I mean, they are some of the most talented, coolest, best Psychonauts, psychedelic, cool ass motherfucking people you'll ever meet. Go check it out. Let's save this shit for the outro for the real og's. No, you know what I mean? Not off saying. Alright, that's it, next week, coming up soon, gonna be a really amazing episode, stay tuned for that.

I never hype up my shit in advance, but I am this one. Okay, lots of love, you're good, bye bye.