Cosmic Community with Sean, Cass and Joey

Welcome to Synchronicity! I had an intro recorded for this that I did yesterday. Before we saw the ween show, what do you mean "what's the ween show?" We've been talking about the ween show for fucking a month, one with my friend Sean, Cass, Joey, a whole bunch of fucking awesome people, and we saw them last night in New York City. That was fucking amazing. Ween is God, God is ween, God bless ween, holy shit. This episode, as I mentioned, Sean, Cass and Joey, right? Fun mystery guessin' Joey, he's cool. Sean and Cassie took a little napskis during this podcast, so there was some weed being smoked, puttin' down a little bit.

It's a wonderful episode, I'm not gonna ramble on too much in this, 'cause we just had a wild night, and it's fuckin' amazing, but we're gonna talk about some other stuff before we get to the episode, let's figure out what that is. I don't know, I really don't know, it was a wild night. This episode though is about cosmic community. We find ourselves in these human forms, as we're really not these things, there's many things you can do to prove that to yourself, but we do form this intricate web, this communal, kind of threaded fucking tapestry of whatever we are, and when you find the people who resonate at the same frequency as you, it's a very special thing, and I am lucky enough to find so many of these people, almost on a daily basis, that I feel like it's sickening, I'm sure to other people, how easy it is for me to meet amazing people, but if you tune yourself to that vibe, it happens.

So, I don't remember what we talked about on this episode explicitly, there's a lot of stuff, we bounce back ideas related to love, and music, and community, and we're building some shit. Also, take this as a fuckin' shot, this is me calling my shot. Live events are happening, synchronicity, very ape, we're gonna merge into this singular entity, and do some live events here in Brooklyn, and also, we're gonna be doing some other cool shit. Me and Sean, Cass are starting a show, we mention it here, I think we're gonna call it the come up, that's Sean's idea, it's like psychedelic morning show, we're just gonna be streaming this stuff pretty often, we're pretty confident that we are professional hanger-outers, and we can do this, so stay tuned for that.

If you guys don't know who these people are, what the fuck is a matter with you, go check out very ape podcast, it's on MindPod Network, there's a ton of other podcasts there too, we've added a few in the past couple of weeks, go check those out, Colin Frangecetto has a new one, Jesse Zucman, there's good shit up there, so check 'em out, listen to those, but, man, so much love to my ween fam, so much love to Sean and Cass, Joey, Seabass, Daniel, Matty, everyone, it was a beautiful, beautiful time, the crowd was phenomenal, they played tender situation, I think what did we record a version of tender situation yesterday?

I wonder if Cass can send that to me, we can put it out as like a Patreon exclusive, yeah, we recorded a little improv to Jam, I got my Gretsch, I gave Sean and Cass my Gretsch guitar and got them a nice amp, 'cause they're learning how to play music, alright, here's the little thing, this is the year to learn how to play music, learn how to sing, learn how to play drums, do something, it's really gonna help you out immensely, so I highly recommend you do that, it's gonna be great, and how would I stop rambling on and we get to the episode, that sounds fun, without further ado, here is Sean, Cass, and Joey, part of the cosmic community.

You're on my podcast, I'm in charge, I was just thinking that in my head, I was like, "I don't think I ever introduce guests, 'cause I don't ever do like a, I do the intro, and it's usually a conversation, and I'll say like hey, thanks for coming, that's basically it, but let's do an introduction, we have Mystery Guest 2, we're not a journalist talk yet, we haven't introduced you, it's a mystery guest, Sean and Cass from a very eight podcast, thanks for having us back on again, thanks for having us on your podcast Noah, yeah this is mine, I own it, it's mine, I can feel that, even though we're here in the engine chill, I can feel that this is yours now, and who's the mystery guest, introduce yourself, you're all right, hello, I'm Joey Lipstein, coming up from Florida, from Downenda, came to chill with you fools, what are we all gathered here to do tomorrow, right, this is the, yeah this is the green point, ween point, weird, wild, freaky, deaky, weekend, you know, and uh, name of the episode, yeah, yeah, it's love camp, that's what this love camp is, it's love camp, it rolled playing with the counselors, you know, yeah, hanging out counselors and training, DMT, fireplaces, you know, we're all counselors and training, what's up, can you guys explain love camp to me, I got to break down, but I want everyone else to understand because love camps are vibe, we came up with it last night, we were, we were surfing the seas of consequence, horsing around a little bit, and listening to some music, recording a church of chill, we do these radio shows, uh, in between our podcast episodes, there's a music transmission, and we don't talk much on them, but uh, yet during it we came up with a love camp vibe, and then we started decorating it, and we're still decorating it, and it feels like that's what this weekend is, because like Joey flew in for this concert, you know, we have other homies coming from far and wide, and it's so weird because this is a vibe like that we all got on this summer, this fall this winter, definitely, what happened?

We went to Jamaica, and someone was listening to uh, our music tastes, and they're like, yeah, but wean, and they wanted to talk about wean with me, and I was like, dude, I don't know that band for some reason, I've kept them out of my life, my whole life, and then mixing, you know, he sent me a playlist, and I was like, oh shit, playing that around people, everyone's like, what the fuck is this, who is this, who is every song, it's always this, it's always this, it's wean, it's wean, it's wean, and so yeah, we all got obsessed, and then they're still at it, they're playing, so, that's wild, that was in Jamaica, yeah, yeah, the portal gets unlocked, yeah, totally, totally, yeah, a Grateful Dead was dominating the conversation for the past five years, so, for sure, this is a cool, this is a cool little conversion, yeah, wean spread like wildfire, oh yeah, it's weird, it's a hard thing to describe, because I was him before I knew about them, but I didn't like, the songs that individually I would connect with, like any other song, but like I guess I didn't, like I said, the breadth and depth of what they represent, how would you describe this, I just like in here, because you guys are my link, you guys, I'm saying it's tried and true, it was the song that flipped me, what would you say Cass, yeah, what's the question?

Well I think what happened for us is, you know, we heard this band, and we were like, we really last year wanted to go to our first music festival, and we saw Wean and Divo was headlined at Desert Days Music Festival, so we're like, let's go out there, we'll camp for the first time, we'll stay overnight at a festival, and we'll get to see Wean and Divo, and right before Divo, we dropped acid, and it was hitting hard, and I was like, almost having a tough time, because Divo really cuts deep, they're super subversive, and have some, they're incredibly funny, and like, more relevant now than ever, and Mark Mothersboud just says like a person, yeah, and like creative person, oh my god, such a hero, such a hero, and I've loved them my whole life, but Wean was a recent thing, and so they came on right after Divo, and right before Wean came on, we were talking about doing a candy flip, which is taking Molly on addition to the acid, but I was hoping Cass forgot about it, because the acid was hitting me so hard, and like being around all these people, and then she was like, should we do it, and I was like, yeah, and like just, we just popped it down, it was not ceremonial or anything, we just like popped it down, because I was like, okay, I can't think too much about this, this just needs to be there, and it hit as soon as Wean came on, and it was like two hours of just epiphanies, looking at these guys, like, because if you listen to the records and everything, like, wow, this is really weird music, this is drug music, this is for like freaks or whatever, but like, looking at these guys who took this idea that they came up with in eighth grade, when they were 14 years old, and they had a vision for it, and now they're fucking 49, 50 years old, and it's spread, and it keeps spreading, and the vibe is so good, and it's so contagious, and being out amongst their fans, like, it was really, it was super infectious for us, and very inspiring, we came out of that super inspired and like, ready to take on new ventures, and you know, that's interesting, lean into our weirdness even more, because it's like, we're looking at these guys that did it, and I'm like, Devo, and then Wean, like, I'm like, wow, these guys have been doing these projects for 30, 40 years, like, and they've really just gone with their weird vibe, and it's just so incredibly inspiring, and we're weirdos, and we're pretty unabashed about it, but like, what about leaning into it even more?

Well, look what comes out of it too, and you know, just to be fair, and I'm sure they would admit this too, you know, the road for Wean hasn't been one straight shot up, we were just commenting, Joey, you were in particular when we were watching the tender situation acoustic cover, this is like a Wean fan fest, and that's what that's what it's like, but like, literally, like, they have songs that if they took different choices, or went in different routes, like, would have been incredibly popular, and, but what's beautiful now, is I think people are catching this vibe, because it's an authentic thing, and when you look back at, like, the Chicago thing, and you see the fucking energy and the passion that they still have fucking 30 years, 20 years, it's fucking crazy, um, yeah.

Well, it's like the Grateful Dead, it's like, everyone knows why they're there, you know, they're there for liftoff, and I don't think every band plays with liftoff. That was the best. I love it. Hey, joint through. Oh my God. I tried to throw the giant, and he didn't see me. I've never seen anything like that. Wow. Him in the arm. Yeah. And people for liftoff. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think you go to music to get an experience, but sometimes you go to music to, like, really go to church, you know, and to transcend time and space, and that's what they try to do intentionally, and they do it also by, like, every song's played different.

They're not going to play the same song the same way, twice. And like, I also found there's this intangible quality of, like, they don't need to do that. They don't have to do the shit they do in these shows. Like, I think you guys go to have gone to way more live shows. I can probably count on both my hands, the number of live shows. I went to a lot of DJs and clubs and had an amazing transcendent nights, not a lot of live shows. I feel you. They'll play like 40 fucking songs in a two-hour period. I don't think that's normal from set list that you can see with either, like, incredible bands, too.

Like, most bands, like, even bands we love, we go there and we're like, like, a half-hour or 40 minutes is enough, that's enough. And, you know, bands like this, I'm like, they can't go on enough. Same thing when we go to see Grateful Dead, like, you don't want it to end when it starts wrapping up. I feel like there's a song for everybody. Like, Ween is a song for everybody. Yeah. Everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. You could probably, like, hang out with someone a little bit, catch their vibe and be like, "Oh, I know how I would turn them on." I have the song for you. Yeah, yeah. That is what I do.

That is specifically what I do to get people to succumb to the brown. For me, it was mutilated lips. Oh, my God. That was the song that our cinematographer, Drew Seracko, once you started singing it, played that for me. I was like, "Holy shit. I love this band." Once you start singing that, you can't stop. Yeah. Once you know it, yeah. Yeah. Well, and they're also genre-defining, like, they have a country album. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And the other day, we were listening to it, and Cass and I, she was like, "I don't think you would have liked this in the '90s, even if it was in your face." And I was like, "No, I wasn't cool enough.

I thought I was cool in the '90s." And I was. I was pretty cool. I liked Radiohead and Nirvana, like, right when they were coming out. I was like way into -- I'm luckily -- I was born in '81, so like, when everything started getting really poppy towards the middle late '90s, I could see that for what it was. Like, I never thought Eminem was cool. I know. Like, I was like -- I like Eminem. Yeah, we do know. But I think that shows our slight age difference. Oh, yeah. Totally. I wanted to get into this. I love Justin Bieber. Oh. And he's genuinely good. Oh. Oh. Oh. New songs are old songs. Uh, both.

Let it legitimately both. I haven't heard the new -- The new ones. The new ones that just came out. Oh, that's what happens when you have love pumping through your heart. Yeah. You succumb to the pop. Yeah, that's true. And this is incredible. But the thing is, he's really talented, too. He has been from a young age. I remember, like, 12 years ago when he was a kid, and I was, like, blowing up and people were like, "Ah, Justin Bieber, Justin Bieber." I was like, "Dude, there's videos of him playing, like, drums and, like, saying -- he's genuinely talented. It's not just, like, this pop man." He's also, like, he's got demons.

And when he sings, shit is good. So he may be put into some, you know, kendal packaging or some shit, but, dude, I'm telling you, it's freaking good. I have each side up. It's Sean. I'm just like -- You know, baby. Baby's a classic. Baby. Baby. Baby. So you like this preacher he rolls around with? Like I always found God. So now, this is very interesting, because that preacher was -- I believe the same guy I saw at Kanye's Sunday service, and you know how I feel about Kanye. I love Kanye, too. Now, what I saw at Sunday's service was really interesting, because Kanye -- and I think a lot of people, this cuts to the root of this shit, like, they externalize God.

They externalize divinity, and they say, "Oh, someone else out there." Which it is, of course. It's everything. But, at the end of the day, if that's not like an in felt like you are actually the generative as a part of that cause of it, there is this tendency to externalize it in people as well. So you can succumb, and it's not -- there's no value judgment here from the preacher or Justin Bieber or anyone else who is enticed by someone who says, "Hey, I know what's going on, you have to listen to me, because I have a direct plug, and I know how to read this shit better than you." That's different than knowing internally that, "Yeah, you can fuck with your person who's cool, but there's an energy there."

And I think pop stars, you have to understand this, man, when we're talking about our dreams coming true, which we are all literally seeing right now, all of us, collectively. I mean, people listening in us, we're watching this happen. Imagine this happened to you 20 years ago, if you're Kanye West, or 15 years ago, if you're Justin Bieber, and you're a fucking kid, you're like 12 or 13, and then all of a sudden, you are God. Internally, you feel every dream and desire is manifesting in front of your face. You knew you were a pop star, you knew you were going to be king of the world. A lot of people will look outside of themselves to be like, "Yo, what the fuck is going on?"

And that's helpful to a point until they kind of recalibrate and go, "Oh, I think I've been running this thing the whole time," and like, you know, your level and ascension with this stuff is I feel like in some ways, or it has been directly proportional to your vulnerability or susceptibility to like people saying, "Yo, this is how it is, this guy, and you have to do this," it's like, you know, so I forgive all that. I didn't know about it, but I know now that you say, "I saw this dude, he called Kanye brought him out," but that also, that sometimes there was like one of the best live performances I've ever seen in my entire life.

It was incredible. It was transcendent. But they're of the camp of externalizing God. As are, I would say, 99.8% of people I've come across, and when I start to say that you are God and they really get a sense that I mean that, most people hear you're either crazy or I'm not going to deal with that issue, which is valid. We're in such a bubble, everybody that we know I think knows they're God. People know it until they forget, and people are constantly forgetting, and that's part of the fun. I get so caught up, you know, we went to this pastor's conference, a friend invited us, and I was like literally crying at every song.

They were like, "Everyone's just throwing their hands up towards the stage," and I was like, "Yes," because I feel like there's a way to simultaneously externalize and internalize the experience of oneness in God, so you can praise outward, but still feel that inner warmth and praising outside of yourself allows you to connect more deeply with your inner mind. It's all the same thing, you know, like they're talking, they're thinking about it in a different way, but like when you were just like, "Cool, Jesus is the connection today." That's it, and Cass was crying from the first song. That's what happens to me, and it's a felt thing, and it's like I really, when you know you're either totally losing your shit or that you can find that balance between external and internal is when you can truly appreciate a Justin Bieber song.

It's the perfect balance, you're like, "Yo, I see it all and I can still love this," but I mean, there is something that's a felt component that love, no matter where it's directed, is the only real thing, so whether someone's pushing it out because, you know, they haven't found the exact balance, it doesn't mean it's not there. That's why I find music and praise and all of that stuff to be, that's why it also works. Just be clear, like Justin Bieber and all of these people who go to like a mega church preacher, their ability to believe what that person is saying allows that person to do and deliver miracles, they're a vessel, we're all vessels.

I'm not doing anything, you're not doing anything, we're vessels, we're letting it come through us. People are getting high. So high, so high, but if you're not constantly, if your job is a vessel, to constantly kind of remind, not in like a hokey way, but like I'm a vessel, like I can do this in a way that isn't just wrapped in my ego and I have to get the most and be the best and all that stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with that desire, there propels people to great heights, but yeah, the mega, the mega shit is definitely a game, but you know, it's their game. Well, I mean, it's ripe for consumption, you know, and for people's lives that are so busy and they're running around so much and, you know, they want to get their dose of spirituality or source or community or whatever, luckily we don't, we don't like spend our, have to spend our time, you know, working a lot.

So we can find like we just found a extremely pure vessel in West Virginia, this healing portal of a dude. Yeah. Who is that? Can you explain this a little for because I've heard, yeah, I think this might be our next movie. Yeah, you mentioned this as well. Yeah, we have this and maybe people can help us imagine it, but we had this idea for a movie for the past like year and a half called wild magic about going out and finding those, those healing vessels that are maybe floating right under the current, you know, maybe we'd be blind too, but illuminating them and showing that there's magic going on all over the place and there's healing going on all over the place.

And it can come in these really interesting packages. And so we were up, so we had this idea, but like we, it was just more of a concept and then we were up at Cosm and we were there with some homies and we're standing in front of Alex Gray's painting the cosmic Christ and this guy, as soon as we got in there, we're standing in front of this painting and this guy next to us just turns to us and starts speaking in tongues, light language. Yeah, yeah. And it was incredible. And we just kind of did like prayer hands in front of cosmic Christ, at Cosm, that's exactly where it is. Exactly where it is.

Exactly where it is. We got in there. Yeah. And if you don't know that painting, look it up and go see it. Yeah, go see it. It's the most incredible piece of art I've ever seen. And yeah, this guy just started speaking light language and like, it was, and he would go from speaking in tongues to like, yeah, so cool. I'm from West Virginia, you know, I do this, that and the other thing. We were just blown away by his energy and his ability to go from that to joking around and making us laugh in a way that no one does. It's really kind of crazy. Well, he's operating with a different awareness, like where he knows that he's engaging with the different energies in the room.

We're consciously where he's doing what he can on his wavelength to match your vibration to bring you into the moment with him. Yeah. What's his name? Gabriel. My son's, yeah, totally. St. Gabriel. He's the defender of God, by the way, this is what the name is. Yeah, yeah. So the veil is very thin for him. So he's really incredible to be around. Like it pulsates off him. So like, we're just playing like we went, we drove down to West Virginia and just hung out with him. We rented an Airbnb is like this empty house and just sat at this dining room table and this cavernous house and did a little ketamine and just played a Rummy 500 for days on end.

And it was magical. It was almost like we were playing with tarot, the meaning that was coming off the cards and the way they were coming out. We were just playing with playing cards. Same thing. You know, those used to be the mystical one. I know. I know. So we were learning that along the way. And just this crazy, incredibly miraculous weekend that we spent with this guy and he would just kind of put his hand on you and for the next half hour you'd be in a trance. And he is like, it's basically just a channel. And he's speaking to for me, my sister who passed away, Aaron. He was speaking through her and helping heal my other sister, Caitlin, who suffers from epilepsy.

And it was just really, really, it was like Taylor made for me and this guy barely knew me. So that's the best. He's not out there peddling anything. So to come across something so pure is so inspiring to us and we want to see the world more like that. We want to see those gifts in everyone because everyone possesses them, but they have so many walls up around their heart. His life is good too. I think his life is good, but I think he toes the line, you know, because we're in his place and you go into his place and it's like, wow, this is like a mad magician lives here, some wild alchemist and he's got these pot plans growing in one room and he's got scrolling.

He's like me. He's left to my own device. Honestly, too. And his message is written all over like, you know how you would write something in a notebook. He's writing it all over the walls. So like, it's just like, wow, and some of it's dark, you know, because he is, well, he traverses waters where there's like highs and lows and it's not all just welcome to reality. Yeah. Yeah. And I appreciate so much and I've become much more weary of people that are claiming to be healers in some way and they're not doing any kind of shadow work or knowledge for that. Yeah. Yeah. It's all love and light and it's selfies and nine paragraphs on Instagram and it's like, what are you doing?

What are you doing? You know, like playing out their own little yeah, yeah, which is, I mean, it's cool. But when I don't know for me, I get super inspired when it's more of a just an organic thing that that almost found me and it wasn't something that I was seeking through Google searches and hashtag searches on Instagram, but something pure that when I allowed myself. It's the perfect vessel for you. Yeah. For us. For us. Yeah. It's very sweet and authentic. And like, that's how grateful dead warmed it's way into our life and we weren't warmed it's way into our cause we were hardened punkers.

Yeah. So what let's talk about this vibe because there's a vibe underlying all this stuff here that it seems like there's this allowance. Did you set intentions before meeting him before wean before like, where were you energetically setting your I think we've been very open and I think we're open to putting ourselves in the way of magic, you know, and when we see someone or meet someone who's a portal, we're going to like, you know, keep going putting ourselves in that direction. I think we set the intention when like we woke up one morning and we were like, it's time to make another project and we feel really inspired by all these, the energy that we've been lucky enough to get to bask in with all of our friends and the community that you're very much a part of and that we're building together.

Yeah. It's, it's very sweet and wanting to let people in on it. And for me, it's always a big thing when like a name comes to it and I'm like, Oh, that's wild magic. That's what it feels like. Something you can't, and you felt it. I've had some of the weirdest wildest, most magical nights of my life sitting exactly where we are. Tell me. Tell me. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a, it's a layer of consciousness that you graduate to, right? And you can, you can surf along in, in those waters if you, if you learn how and the more time that the more free time we have, the more we can see that and feel that.

So when a being like Gabriel comes along, we know like this one's particularly bright, this would play well for a film, which is all we're trying to do is crack someone's consciousness, expand their circle of compassion. That's all the films are, you know, they're, they're not, we probably won't even say what his name is in the movie or where he is. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's trying to, the vibe we feel over here, the vibe we carry together is, it's just trying to pass that along, that this guy's a really great example of it. Oh man. I am. Yeah. Because I've heard you mention him and I, you know how I pick up on stuff is I just hear, it's how I found Neville Goddard, it's how I found everything.

You hear someone talk about someone so reverently and it's not even the words they use. It's not even the tone necessarily. It's just like the energy behind what they're saying. And it's like, I was like, yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you brought it up because in West Virginia, I think we're going to be very close to West, to Virginia near West Virginia and then not, there's a guy dowsing going to get him on the show. Dowsing. He's like this 70 something year old guy who's got like. Are you going to go down there? Dang it. Oh, have you done that before? No. We've done it a couple times. I've gone through West Virginia inadvertently when we were driving from Boston, my friend over shot it and we ended up in like rural West Virginia and I had dreadlocks and he was like Chilean looks Spanish.

I was like, bro, you're not supposed to be here, you're not supposed to be here right now. It's a not breakdown right now. No, I have not been there in a long time. Go through Virginia, but. Hmm. Don't speed there. No. I fucking, everyone, I grew up in right near Virginia in Maryland. So like, yeah, they'll bop you. They'll bop you real fast. Have you ever gotten caught by authorities smoking pot? Yeah. They're searched in Elkton, Maryland, upstate Maryland. When they searched you, is that everything? What do you think it is? It sounds like I've got to bend over a friend. Wow. They don't put anything in your butt in case anyone's worrying, but they just want to make sure you're not holding anything in.

It was for weed. I've gotten in severe trouble. This is how I know reality is not real. The two times where I was doing some shit where I knew it was sketchy, like I kind of knew the first time I was smoking weed to answer your question and it's expunged. So this is all for story. If anyone's looking it up, I'll expunge. But anyway, I was driving up with all of my shit to back to college, I think. It was just before, I don't know, timeline gets a little fuzzy back then. But I know it was driving up and I had dreadlocks and was doing a very small amount of cocaine at the time. I would do it on Fridays, but my friend had just given me a little straw and I had this in a little tin, like in the car, my wonderful Honda Accord V6, I love that car.

And I was still, I was very much into electronic music and I had really good weed. I remember the type of weed. It was double bubble. It was fucking incredible and I rolled a big fat joint of it and was listening to an essential mix. I don't remember which one. And driving, going 83 and a 65 above this bridge is like right before you go to Delaware, right before you go into Delaware. I'm like, whoop, whoop. I'm like, ah, fuck, cop. And I'm high as shit. I'm hotboxing my car. It was like 20 something, like really young, 21, hotbox in my car, cop comes up, pulls me over. I think I can play it off because I'm a fucking idiot.

I have all of my shit in my car, I have dreadlocks, I'm white. I look like I'm faring fucking pounds of fucking weed and I'm like, he's like, will you step out of the car? I'm like, no. He's like, step out of the fucking car, so I have to get out. And then at this point it occurs to me that this may not be a routine traffic stop. They put me on the side. I'm literally handcuffed. On the side of the road, it's like before night, it's like still like laid out, but like I look like I did some wrong shit. You know, they call the other cop car comes and the fucking people go and they search the car.

They find like, I don't know, two grams of weed and residue in a cocaine store. I didn't have any cocaine. It sucks, I've never enjoyed it, it's like horrible and I'm sure this stuff I was getting back just outside of high school was even the worst of the worst, so anyway. So I got taken in this dude's cop car and the station, the precinct is like two miles up the road. Okay. And Elkton, Maryland, and it's like, did I near, near, near, near, no shitting. I'm not shitting on Elkton, but like, yeah, back then it was like, and thank God to the judge. I don't know who you are. God bless your soul. Cool, dude.

Kept my dreadlocks. Everyone told me to shave my dreadlocks record and I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm a natty dread. Anyway, so I get pulled out right, we're driving in this place on the way there. He also puts me in the front seat and I'm like, what is this? This is weird as shit. I'm like, I don't know what's happening. So nothing ominous. The car breaks down. His police vehicle literally breaks down and he pulls over and he's like, I don't know what's going on. Like the car is breaking down. I'm like, oh my God. And it's really breaking down. It's not like a show or anything. I'm like, fuck. It's trying to start the car.

It's the police car we're in. I'm like, what the fuck? Police car starts back up. He gets to this depot. I learned there's like a police depot on 95 where they had these spare police cars. He said, I don't know. This is what I'm supposed to anyway, go and get into another police car. They take me to the precinct and then it dawns on me what is actually happening. First time in my life, I've been put in, not the only time, first time in my life, I've been put in a cell. If you've never been put in a cell is a very special feeling. The reality is then confined to this little thing and you don't really know what's happening until it's happened to you the first time you're like, oh, am I going to jail forever?

Like do I get out of here? You just don't know. Because it's like you're anyway. So they come in and then that's when they're like, yo, you have, we're going to do a strip search. And I'm like, I don't know what that means. So they make you pull down your pants, bend over, because they at this point they impounded my car. Like they were probably convinced I was hustling and maybe just got like a drop off. So they're like looking into me, my mom had to drive two hours to pick me up. Yeah, that was not a fun ride back. Yeah, dude. That shit was rough. So yes. Thanks, mom. And so that's the judge hooked you up and let you go.

My mom was a lawyer and she was like, what's called a triple A certified in the bar. So basically, if you're a lawyer and you're like a high ranking attorney, you just say, hey, judge, here's a letter from a lawyer by the buy. And they're like, hey, my fuck up son got caught with a minor amount of weed. You know, if he shows contrition and isn't an asshole, like most of the people come in front of the court and they're like, the fuck is going? It's like, I was like, I'm sorry. I won't do it again with dreadlocks. I had to say all this straight face. I'm like, I won't smoke weed again. I'm giving it up.

And then I found out afterwards basically probation before judgment. So totally thing. No drug testing. No nothing. It was like nothing happened. But I learned the lesson. Yeah. And I also got sent to the tombs in fucking Manhattan. That was way worse. Ooh, boy. Well, I mean, that's terrifying. It wasn't. It was shocking. You were in shock. The first I was there for like 30 hours. Why? Did we eat again? Two grams a week. They thought I was buying heroin because I looked like a junkie on a Sunday. But before football, I wanted to get high and watch some football. Yeah. Because dude rolls through.

This is just me telling my times I got arrested stories. Fuck. Yeah, no. But I did get in trouble. I went to the tombs. That's a whole fucking thing. So do you know if like, have you ever tried to go to Canada and get denied? No. Like, I'm on, this is not on my record. That second time I got what's known in New York is ACC or something. It's acquittal something. Actually, if you're white, I mean, let's be very clear about this and haven't been in trouble before and come from an area and have a record of being a quote unquote upstanding citizen and you get caught with minor amounts of weed, even if you're not white probably the same.

If you get caught with two grams of weed and if you're from the hood, you probably get bop. But like, if you're just chilling in the city, it's an inconvenience right now. But back then, 10 years ago here, they could do whatever the fuck they wanted to do. They're basically not a person. And I got wrapped up with a black dude and an Asian dude. So I got the whole fucking treatment with them. And I was like, man, everyone I was locked up with was black. One dude shoplifting from North Carolina. That dude was shook. That dude was fucking terrified. It was just crack heads and fucking people were doing a, it was fine with people that are struggling.

That's all. I mean, I want to have a fucking good time. I mean, many people dude, a guy had fucking cocaine sewed into the inseam of his pants, his jeans and went into the bathrooms at the tombs. This is where they take you. If you get arrested anywhere in Manhattan, you get sent downtown to this place called the tombs. So you're in this like with like 25 other people just in this big ass cell and all throughout the night, people are coming in on crazy drugs screaming and they put them in a separate cell. But anyway, people get down there pretty regularly if you get in trouble a lot. But this dude had sewn in some cocaine and he like, I don't know how he cut it out and just was doing cocaine in these bathrooms like, not even, you can see him doing it.

They're the emergency stash and they're just prepared to be in jail that night. Fucking awesome. It's legendary. It's crazy. We should do that with a couple hits of acid. I mean, these days, we do have some acid head here and there. You wouldn't, I mean, I guess in jail, it wouldn't be the worst, but it would not be my worst idea. Yeah. Okay. Cool. You would want to go to jail. I think it would be like not the worst idea if you were like sentenced to like 25 years and you kind of had gotten your routine down and you're like, all right, all right, tonight, I know I'm in jail. I've been in jail for the last five years.

I'm probably going to be in the let jail for the next 20. So after five years is when you're breaking it out, probably less, probably five months. Five months? Five days? Five days? Well, but the thing is, a lot of people even end up in that situation because of a drug issue and they'll use that first opportunity to be like, all right, I want to get cleaned up a little bit here. Well, this like LSD is not something you get cleaned up from. It's kind of the thing that you'd be like, all right, let me free my mind, even though my body's trapped. Well, that's what Nick Sully did, you know? Yeah. The producers, the people who made orange sunshine, Nick, Nick Sands.

Nick Sands. Yes, yes, but got asked to Nick Sully when they were in prison, they would hold ceremony in there. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. That's how you do it. Why not? Yeah. Turns some people on. That was their function. That's probably why they went to jail. Yeah. They probably saw that pretty clearly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Didn't he get in trouble though at the end? Again, they like gotten him, got him in trouble. They're doing that? No, Nick Sands, like they got him after they went to jail. They always get someone for like half a roach that wasn't even there, you know? Yeah. Now it's harder to do that now though.

Oh, to like take down somebody for like Tim Leary's style, like, oh, you had to tell him. Specifically, I was thinking of Tim Leary's style. Yeah. Yeah. And just like making me a fugitive to Mexico, it's like what is this? Yeah. Yeah. How come no one's made a movie about that, like Tim Leary's life as a movie, especially that point in his life where he was put through the ringer and our criminal justice system. You don't want to fuck that up. He escaped from prison with the help of the Black Panthers. I wonder if anyone like owns the rights, like there's a bio back on the making. Yeah. Maybe. Someone does.

Mm. Yeah. All right. So I like this vibe. I want to get back to it because I think it's really important. Yeah, ma'am. This love camp vibe, this something that tethers people together, these disparate seeming kind of endeavors as dude in West Virginia, wing, gear, portals, all this stuff, what do you got? What do you guys hang out with enough people and ride this wave? It's all we do. I know. I've seen it. I'm well aware. Joey keeps track of the people that have come through here because I can't even remember. So many people, so many different scenarios throwing out the best monologues. Lou has been here.

Lou people know Lou now. He's been on the show. So like. He's a homie. Yeah, ma'am. Yeah. So what do you think it is, Cass? It's an answer to our prayers in a certain sense if you want to go back aways. It's warm in here. I'm trying to keep it cozy, you know, and I think when people come in here, they make it even more cozy. So it's like they feel their own coziness reflected back at them. I think that like for us too is like realizing you do all this very personal work with psychedelics and spirituality and it's all very, very personal. And once you develop those muscles, you realize like, oh, there's another part to this, you know, and that's community and that seemed to be the piece of the puzzle that was kind of missing a little bit is like real true community where you're being vulnerable together.

Yeah. And it's not just like it's not just what we're doing this weekend. No, not having a good time. No, it's it's I mean, we do. I think we always have a good time, but I think like we were here for each other when you were recently having a tough time and like like it's more about that and I think that it's it's this kind of this idea that we got like it's not just holding people to them best their best selves, but like being there for when when they're their worst and that's when you really when even the sense of community and what it's for even kicks in is when you see waves of friends going through struggles or going through dark nights of the soul or depression or anxiety or whatever it is that the shit that gets to us all and not just fallen off, not just disappearing and I say, but still huddling around and holding space for each other and that was like it's felt like serious business at first.

And it was because we were just laying the foundation and now that we've kind of built up the church, the church vibe there a little bit and they say welcome people in and it's more fun. It doesn't it doesn't have to be that like digging in the trenches, laying the foundation like hard work with your shirts off. It's like, no, we're in the church now. So welcome, come in and even when it is the heaviest days and the and the roughest hours, there is still laughter and there there is a sense that this is temporary. So it seems like that's what we've devoted our life to really beyond any one particular art project but that being it where we become the sacrament, we become the drugs because we all are drugs.

It's like let's become really good ones, let's become the candy flip as a human being that's so, yeah, not be fucking go around being salvia for everybody, you know, and bringing in the dark fucking psychedelic circus of madness. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be that. You don't want to be that vibe, you know, you know, like when someone that feeling of people are carrying attention, like you want to be the drug that dissolves that and helps ease the tension. So building a community around those ideals and just holding space for each other and treating concerts like it's church and like we're all getting attuned to a similar thing.

It's been, I mean, it's been the best art project we've ever done. Yeah, exactly. This is what I'm realizing and we both have, we all have actually collectively realized this. This is, it really is an art project, our lives in more ways than one, not just in some like esoteric, highfalutin bullshit, anyway, but like it is. I wake up every day and I'm like, whoa, fucking canvas is this today. Yeah, this is going to be some, and it never disappoints me. That's what's crazy. I was accustomed to most of my life, regardless of the intensity of the experiences of kind of like, okay, shit's kind of normal.

Now there isn't what I'd refer to as like an integration plateau at times where like shit doesn't constantly stay at a fever pitch of like, holy shit, reality spending, but every day is so fucking incredible, like even when they're gnarly ass days, you get gnarly days, you get the shit where it's like, whoa, almost wiped out, but I caught my balance there right before, but yeah, it's, you get into what I, what I think of as the collaborator mindset, like where, you know, if you're doing drugs, you're not consuming them, you're collaborating with them, when you're hanging out with your friends, you're not consuming their time, you're collaborating with them, you're not like becoming a consumer of food, you're, you're collaborating with these foods to get your body, this nutrients, and you know, you start to see everything like that, and that's where the magic starts to come, because we can't go, we can't go out it alone, you know, we're very powerful, we are God and everything, but when we get together, when we get together, it's crazy.

That's the magic though, that's the whole thing, like when you realize you're God, it doesn't negate other people in this reality, it amplifies it as true reflections of your absolute nature, which is everyone, and it's not like, me, I'm no one's Noah, that's like, that's crazy, but really recognizing, you're like, oh my God, there's infinite unique variations of this one expression, and if you allow that person to be that person, like that's what this is, right? I mean, how you release tension, tension also can be this springboard, right, that people get so tense, it's like a frog's legs, that they like propel themselves forward when they release it, which is nice.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it is, it's a beautiful contrast, it's like, oh, because I think so much of, especially in the capitalist mindset and the society we live in, you're so, especially when we talk about growth, we're so defined by, this is the thing I used to consume, and I don't do that anymore, and now I consume this, whether it's practices or whatever, it's so kind of like lives in that dichotomy, so it's, yeah, it's very interesting when you can find yourself, like, I think we recently, finding yourself at like what very distinctly feels like the end of a chapter, and like using that and acknowledging it and using it as like the springboard for whatever this next thing is, and being open to whatever that thing is, like, our reality painting through us and not being so hung up on, on what that is.

You feel that? Yeah, I try not to over gamify life, but it always feels, and the reason Sean and I think work so well together is because we realize that we can have our hand at cards change, you know, our hands always changing, you're just doing the best with the hand that you have in whatever moment. Got to know when to hold them. Exactly. And the lessons are there, like, that's all part of the awakening for us, like, even my sister having seizures, every time she has a seizure, like, we could be having the best vibe like this ever, and then just imagine a person like falling and hitting their head right now, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, DMT, like, you're ringing crazy insanity, stress chemicals get released, and when you can start to use even those moments as vehicles for awakening and not falling into victimhood mindset, it's really good cross training for every other aspect of your life.

Isn't it? Oh, yeah. So not for everyone. No, but it is because, like, how could we really be a victim of anything? How, like, really from the perspective I'm seeing it, if we're God and we're creating our experience, like, we created this, we put this accurate, this situation here to help us wake up. To your advantage. Right? Yeah. It's, it's, you have to transcend sometimes some pesky aspects of duality, like suffering and good and bad sometimes to really grok that and be okay with it and not know you're not like, a nihilistic or, you know, a moral person or whatever that means, but like, yeah, that is accurate.

Everything is to our advantage. Also I've, my take on like problems and shit right now in our lives are just in the world. Is there quite literally there not to fuck our shit up, but for us to see that we can transcend them as individuals and collectively and that's a very powerful lesson. If this thing that's been dominating your life, whether it's fear, anxiety, worry, seizures or anything and then something, whatever it is, allows you to transcend in any way, in any way, in any way, just even if it's a reaction, like you're pointing out a response. That teaches you more about, you learn more in those moments than these, I love the flow of stuff and it's ever present in my world, but man, when you find a situation that you know you used to react like really poorly to, just really poorly to and you catch yourself not reacting to it, like you've really transcended it.

It never feels so powerful. You never feel so high, you're like, holy shit, the incredible part about it is it's like so contagious and I think your case in point for us, like we love hanging out with you because we see you because of your vulnerability navigating, I mean, I feel like we're vulnerable with you about our situation and stuff like that, but when you can share your vulnerability and share how you're navigating and where you're at, and also putting accepting spin on things, but also an optimistic spin or whatever it is, whatever it is, that's contagious because you're like, oh, that's a possibility.

That pathway is there for me. Why would I ever take the other pathway like this? There's pathways that are always there for you and that's what is beautiful about I think the community we're talking about and this time that we're in, which is like a second coming of the church and I think we're just tapping into this is that people all over the country world are saying like basically like when I talk to my friends now who like are in a moment of needing help, I'm like, I could say the thing, but like if you have an Instagram account you know the thing, you've read the thing, it is just being about practicing the thing and accepting the thing because everyone's sharing the same message, you know, if you're on the tip of love and acceptance and you know what I mean, it's all the same thing, but I think we're in need of this like spiritual awakening collectively.

Well, we're craving now like we've gone through the great humbling and we're into the great healing and we want to get into the great harmonizing, but that takes congregation. You have to harmonize. You need multiples. Yeah, and you and believe it or not, you can't just do that digitally, you know, it's fun to listen to this podcast, it's fun to fucking get on the Skype with your friends or FaceTime or whatever, but like you need that eye to eye, you need to feel that you need to be around people, people that are different than you and we want to harmonize, we want to figure out how to do that.

It's happening. It's why like politically everything feels like such at a boiling point is because we're all safe, we're all safe behind things, but like if we're all in a room together, I think we would really vibe on the same level and I felt that like there's a lot more, we have a lot more in common I think than we're being led to believe absolutely through the view of social media. And yeah, no one even needs to be saying the same words or talking the same way. You can go into any grocery store and like get on the level with someone and that's kind of the magic of life is that like there's nothing that's keeping you from just like opening, grounding yourself to that moment where magic is possible.

It's always because I just, I tweeted today that everything is magic and everything is magical just because it is and when you really open up to that, you get shown the most amazing things. And just to be clear like you don't need drugs for this. You can, the far bit for me to say that it's not a fun and amazing thing. Can't speak to it. I'm always on them. Yeah. I mean life is drugs. Life is drugs. But you know there are times where we have found ourselves you just completely nothing just from exercise. Let's say you were going for a run or some shit and you know, you didn't smoke before or something.

So, man, that is fucking a powerful state of consciousness that can be tapped into at any point. Like it, I forgot what we were talking about right before that before I said you don't need drugs. Like you don't though. Life is magic. Life is magic. When you tap into that at any moment and really allow yourself to feel it, like you get like you were saying Sean, like you get these ever present reminders that you're creating this for yourself, not in some like I'm laying this out because I'm in charge and I have to be in charge of everything, but you just see the people start to function as mirrors, your situation start to function as mirrors.

Yeah, it's the best thing. It's kind of the best thing in life. Let's talk about music again too because yeah, this seems to be a really big part of it. And I noticed a lot of the people who I come across who come through here and you have been meeting even if it's not their primary thing are very connected to sound music like very, if not going to a show, creating what's up with that. Well, it's what our whole world swirls around music, like when we talk about magic it's like we discovered it through chasing the music, right? And going to shows and consuming shows for a while and then starting to get into like oh, I see what this is about.

The Grateful Dead helped us a lot with that. But I think that the people, since we're so in that frame of mind, that's the people we attract. So they come through here and a lot of times it's motherfuckers who are like, oh, I played guitar when I was a kid and they had a touched one in five years. And then they're like, whoa, James, Peter Smith. What the fuck was that? She was the crazy. Oh my God. Oh, he's just makes such beautiful music. We've encouraged him to go more towards that. We should have him on our forecast. You should come on, mate. Yeah. Is he around this suite? Yeah, we should invite him to Wien because he's falling in love with it as well.

I got to connect with him. Yeah. It's all homies like that. Josh Craig, you've met him a number of times fucking God, the list goes on. Daniel. Daniel. Yeah. The thing is we need the music, you know, and we know that and we know what the music does for us and we know how it tunes us and we know how it facilitates a deeper connection and deeper reminders and all the things that we're looking for. And it kind of, even though sometimes there's words, there's a lot of it that goes beyond words. And so surrendering to it and allowing it to take you through the passage of time on, you know, the note of a guitar is like, that's who you're swimming.

You are swimming. It's the sacrament. It's the sacrament of the Church of Chill, you know, our little fucking joke of a church vibe that we keep going, but that's the sacrament is like when we worship the music. That's one of my favorite things to put on, by the way. Like I just listened to the Church of Chill episodes because you're getting, if you've really get it, you're getting the music imbued. This is what I love about it and I'm sure people would say the same thing. We know you're listening to it in real time. Yeah. We know we're hearing it the way you're hearing it. We know what weaves it together in terms of it really is like church.

It's like a church where there'd be someone and stage or no stage that gives a shit and you're having to be on a stage to a church and the choir comes in and out and starts singing stuff. And it's fucking awesome. Yeah, what I like about doing it is like we don't really even talk about what the songs are or anything. Yeah. It forces you to let go of that. Even the mentality you would have of looking at a playlist of maybe I could skip this one or should I shuffle this or you have no choice. It's like we're all going to experience this in the same order together and get on the same vibration and hopefully it's a higher vibration and we have shadow episodes and we have ones like we did last night with Joey.

It's like love camp was last night and just kind of like create a little vibe together and we've just had so much fun doing them and listening to really we hear these songs for the first time when we know we're presenting them to like hundreds and maybe thousands of people. You're hearing it different. You're hearing it into headphones and we're like holy shit and I think that's like it's like blessing the holy water. Yeah. You know. It's like holy water is just water but like someone like paid attention to it and like put their faith into that and that's what we're doing with these songs right guys.

Yeah. I love drawing and painting to it. Yeah. It was so fun. Yeah. It was so fun. Yeah. We made some good art last night. Just relaxing with some music. Yeah. And you like cascade the art on top of the art and then you keep doing it. It's pretty fucking cool. And it's all so simple like the like this is the church that you could you are having in your bathtub when you're like I'm going to lie in the bath and take a tub and listen to music. It's about setting time aside to be and to appreciate. You know. Well take a tub a term. Take a tub. Take a tub. It should be. And now I'm saying this household.

One of the things like we did this we did this Adult Swim live stream show a few times. Like we were just testing out if this could be like a live stream experience where people called in and it was cool. It was just a way different vibe than more the radio show thing we did. But like just that whole that medium of like connecting with people and seeing like we're novices we can't even speak on the level you do when you start getting like deep into being able to reference things like we're just feeling it. We're just kind of like feeling our way through it. But like to be able to kind of be ourselves and be authentic and play some music here and there and watch people be like fuck yeah man I'm on the same vibe.

And then that completes the circuit like it's frustrating it's more frustrating with film because we put it out there and there's no like feedback really. But like when you're when you're putting that out and you're doing it live and you're feeling with people they're completing that circuit that you start as the artist and you know it takes them kind of reflecting something back on it and then it gets supercharged up. It's rad. Yeah I'm excited because I mean I know live a lot of people hit me up specifically today about live events and I know we're going to be doing them in Brooklyn. Probably the first one coming up soon will have something but yeah yeah let's do it.

I think it's also just like this community thing whenever we've done I've been part of an event like this anything like we're you're doing with that intention of just like bringing people together man something there's a visceral feeling of what it is and that's a powerful thing because if like you're saying if people can feel that sense of connection in physical space it reminds them that shit isn't as crazy it's not coronavirus no fucking coronavirus they got my mom freaked out my mom's pretty fucking like operating on a good plane just doing things she's like what is this coronavirus I don't know I was like no one today I collapse and I say Sean's like are you okay and I'm like I'm just I'm having a moment and I'm having a coronavirus moment there's no doubt there I feel you know what it is your mind is like this receiver and there's fucking coronavirus bouncing around you're open pointed out you're open you're gonna catch the fucking coronavirus it's a symptom it's just a symptom of our last separation it's a last gas but SARS 6.0 but like don't you feel like we're powerful enough as beings that like okay if we really instead of getting all fucking freaked out giving it to fear and paranoia as many people as we could possibly get together surround that city where there's coronavirus and all hold hands and just you know don't you feel like if we all like just put like surrounded that way maybe it's our time to go maybe it's our time to go like and that's that's what I'm just like okay be okay if this is your time to go like that's what I'm doing I'm like getting to straight peace yeah cast is cool with it well it's ultimately there they're kind of path right if you're gonna dive coronavirus then that's what you've chosen on a deep level right I mean I do believe that it does kind of put in this question of choice which has been presented to me a much in the past two months which I'm pretty comfortable with I think the only choice the only thing that's predetermined for real is that everyone wakes up to their true nature and that doesn't mean you lose identity you get to keep your identity it's totally you're good to be shown you get to be cast you get to be know but you really wake up to it like and stabilize that shit to the point really oh my god I see direct evidence of this through everything I do that's the only thing that's destiny or predetermined everything else including the how the what the why the where the when all that stuff completely optional from a individualized soul level so that's it that's it I mean anything is fair game and I think people have to prove that to themselves over time before they really stabilized the way they feel that most natural in that's the beauty of this and it's the same thing that we see in wean and the dead or anyone you admire it's them being themselves and they've pushed it to the fucking limit or calling being weird or following the love or that but if they're just pushing who they are as an individual to fly the freak flag yeah and like you see the results of it and like it inspires people to be like yo I think I'm like this too in my own unique weird kind of crazy way and then they start pursuing it and when that happens eventually the person who's meant to like figure out really important shit that like I'm never going to figure out I see this with people all the time people whose minds just work so differently than mine but they're completely expressing their like personal gifts and genius it's like whoa like if you just allow people to figure that out and not be worried about anything else just being the best versions of themselves that's how this world gets better objectively and when we spend more time in congregation there's more natural accountability yeah so you want to be better you know when you're when you're hanging around a bunch of like minded homies when Cass and I see all you grabbing the guitar and being able to just do your thing now we're learning like we really we want to be our best selves and you get better at this thing you start learning that thing you get better at learning everything and you start seeing the world in a whole different way which is just fucking such a gift it's such a gift and then you get comfortable increasingly in my experience with the idea of desire being a legitimate and wonderful proponent for growth spiritual ascension if you want to cause fucking highfalutin terms because you stop judging desires like some artifact of like the ego or some limited restrictive thing you're like oh like I trust myself to know genuinely what I want and like when you know people don't end up as sociopaths like people can come to the same conclusion that they create reality and there's no real rule and all that but if someone genuinely pursues who they are they will find their an unconditional limitless being of love and certainly deals with shadow and darkness material if you fucking negate that you're fucked like you pointed out before but if you keep doing that you trust your desires and your fears to show you exactly where you're fucking supposed to be well it's a it's a compass because even if you're not there it's like we all we all fall off we all forget we all have moments where we of doubt and fear and it's like as long as you know that's not where the compass is pointing you know you're like I'm taking a detour into hell sorry yeah yeah totally yeah and and I think totally it's such medicine spending time with people who are going through crisis yeah and the and the serious doubt and the fact it's so well first of all it's very flattering when somebody will share that level with you because it's usually something we want to hide from each other so every day man yeah everyday so to but to sit with that and to resist the temptation of trying to make everything better but instead just kind of hold space for them to come back into grace is really good practice you know it's a good thing I allow that process to take place maybe for like five minutes and then I'm like listen now that we've done that whole thing let's fix this shit and see if we can prove to ourselves that not that your life is going to smooth out all of the bombs and turbulence but you are one hundred percent in control of your how you respond and if you find yourself for some reason off balance just don't react to that that's all it's okay but it's all that's all on the intellectual plane and somebody that's that spun out they're never going to hear that so sometimes what we'll try to do we won't go hardcore but like maybe be like hey we're going to blow some rappa up your nose go right to the chase right in a way like yeah just like let's well not even physical energetic like let's just energetically move that because you're not going to be able to hold on whatever the thought loop is right now you're not going to hold on to it through this experience it's going to be physically intense for the first minute and then it's going to really just go to work on your whole nervous system and calming it so especially if someone's never had it before and they're and they're spinning out you give that to him and they're like holy shit like you said the first time you did it you're like I didn't realize I needed that you know like that kind of level so yeah that that's one thing but like for most people if they don't have access to that kind of thing it's like go for a run get outside do what you can to try to energetically move that because I know Cass and I have spent so much time with a chirping away fucking yapping at people about yep come on let's do this like come on just change your way of thinking explaining things and some of that's getting through but they're like they're hearing us like yeah when that happens I feel like they're not they can't hear it because that voice has happened with me I could feel like there's this thing that we do where it's like I intellectually know that you're right but now I'm just going to judge myself for needing to hear it from you oh I see right you know what I mean that can happen well I think there's also kind of to get to both of that like it depends on whether sometimes the people come to you because there's like the guy learned this with readings when people pay me for the readings they have crossed some threshold of belief and acceptance not everyone's immediately at the same spot some people fight it until like the last five minutes of the thing and I'm like I wish you wouldn't have done that but you know what I mean but like a lot of people are about to tell you their deepest darkest things and that vulnerability is directly proportional to their kind of willingness to accept themselves and that's a very precious space yeah and it you get there almost instantly if someone's coming to you through a podcast or suit through something you did to your art and to honor that and remind people that they're in control and that they can prove this to themselves in that space that's like the that to me is the catalyst for a lot of these things and it doesn't mean you don't feel feelings like sadness or loneliness it doesn't mean they're gone like that wouldn't be great there's there's value in all of that too but it does remind people that they don't have to stay in these cascading loops of mental suffering based on their responses to certain things and that's that that's to me if people are coming to you that's more likely preaching it out now you don't worst thing to do well I think there's a reason churches have confessionals and that there's a tone that and because people need to hear themselves say these things and I think what's more magical than just giving our power over to the priest class and like we need that person and then they're going to give us our marching orders it's just being more like that in life and seeing through the illusions and connecting with people for however long you've known them and when you see that level in them sharing that level within you and then that level of accountability comes in amongst the group you know it's like we all know like if you if if we allow for the space for you to tell us that you're addicted to something that's so that's so special we're not going to judge we're going to hold space for you and we're going to be afraid of that right people are so afraid of being judged yeah because they judge themselves yeah and other people yeah and and you know that there there might have been a time in my upbringing when I would have really distanced myself from somebody who is struggling but like I probably know more people than ever right now that are getting bit struggling and are honest about it with us and maybe not a lot of other people and sometimes it sometimes it gets me because I get empathic and I start like really pulling myself into that world of crisis with them but just kind of being there for people and showing like there's no judgment but there is home for you to come back to without preaching it just really holding space is it's something we want to get better at I think and something that I think we've realized in retrospect it's like what we've been good at all along that's why our films feel the way they do maybe yeah yeah just but doing that for the community being each other's confessional and and holding each other accountable is it's just such a beautiful that's what I like about the confessional thing the way you're talking about it is I like that the anonymity is somewhat it doesn't need to be broadcast to everyone not even has to be a weirdo like us yeah you know there is something very I think that's a role a lot of people are finding themselves and being like playful and cool and chill about it is really the best way if I found to if you find yourself in that role for people because it is like people are craving that that balance and equanimity and peace and happiness and yeah it is sometimes tempting to get sucked in to that it's a vortex sometimes but and it's okay to allow people to feel it too it's not like you have to constant this is something I had to learn a lot over the past couple of months intensely you can't always transmute people suffering into love or happiness right then sometimes you have to catch it you feel it and you let it go that's on them yeah not in a like selfishly I'm not gonna you it's just like that's pretty clear they they set this out for them that's a that's a special power recognizing this what you guys get in special powers the past few months or anything anything yeah what's going on there's silly some cities yeah exactly the silly one silly city being able to know what's gonna come on next on the radio stuff like that just are you making it happen or yeah it's cool to be in on it but like I don't want to abuse that power I just want to kind of go through life and observe and documents and things but I'm feeling I'm feeling very much in my power I feel my power when I feel inspired and I think we're feeling very inspired lately lately yeah yeah for sure for sure like we we know that there's seasons we've we've been together for so long that we know that there's seasons and that like there's times when you kind of hibernate a little bit yeah times when it's like you really grow and blossom and the bees are out and everything yeah totally everything in this world kind yeah totally but I think we we take for granted because we're in this drone of like pay the bills figure out whatever you have to do to pay the bills pay the bills and there isn't that acknowledgement of these cycles that are going on within you so we medicate away and instead of instead of bear witness so just trying to get better at that you're pretty good better at it yeah instead of forcing it because like I can always feel in someone's art or their fucking podcast or their music or whatever if they felt the need to like get on the toilet before they even had the shit you know you know it's like whoa tell me you just came up with that I would just now yeah you know you know like that's like you ever listen to an album that just sounds like that it's like oh your record label is breathing down your neck or anything oh you felt the need to make another thing because a couple years had gone by or or whatever that's a danger so yeah just really getting the proper nutrition through life and only sitting down on the toilet when it's time for it to slip out like butter and it does it does like butter it does when you're when you're feeding yourself the right way with the right kind of community with the right kind of love vibes with the right music you can shit butters what we're things it just it's yeah yeah golden butter nuggets beautiful just sliding you don't even have to flush they can not get this where you lost everyone we're like it maybe like a small snake yeah yeah a large snake yeah what are you guys up to in the immediate future which I know is a question that probably means less to us than most people but you guys also have plans and structures yeah yeah I feel like we kind of answered it before I think we're we're we're following that rabbit hole down but I also feel like we really want to maybe play around with some different mediums we we did some like Sean mentioned some live streaming and was like wow there's a lot of potential like as documentary filmmakers were having people call in and and getting entering different people's universes it felt like we were in the midst of like a live documentary stream hang out that we were facilitating so it feels like we want to maybe pursue that and I think even we were talking about with you doing some sort of a collaborative we very much about it's happening yeah we want to make a like we want to try out making new entities because we've done it within our own podcast like we said we have the very eight podcast but we have these church of chill episodes and that's been fun but now we're like let's make a new show with someone like there are no guests it's just us three yeah I want to make like what like would be I don't know if we'll be able to pull this off but it would be hilarious if we could make like what feels like a psychedelic morning show and I want to call it the come up and I think it would be like like it could be like we could be talking about current whatever because it would be very fleeting and it was it would be meant it wouldn't be meant to revisit yeah just like we're just like if you live down in the city I feel like we could do this with like like three four times a week but you can still do it three four times a week well yeah maybe I don't know we could I think we could figure something out but like where the three of us are just like just chatting a little bit fucking rolling up Jay's doing a little reading fucking talking about whatever's going on some call-ins there's just some funny video reviews yeah I think that would be fun I think people can get down with it would just be a hangout the what we do besides commercial work is we put stuff out that we want to see existing and so we love watching you know the podcast that are more like live streamy kind of shows whether they're just talking and being themselves yeah because we genuinely like we're hanging out we're hanging out with them you know it has it could be very simple so let's create more spaces where we can hang out and push things a little further listen so I've been watching on I I've fallen into the YouTube vortex pretty hard for a variety of reasons and I started watching Larry David interviews and like acceptance speeches and he's just like one of the funniest human beings in the universe like ever do exist he's in the flow and you see what happens whenever he's on like a long-form interview with a friend or even a short one like this space is created where you're like yo I could watch this for 10 hours yeah and I want to be friends with it like I just want to be it like and that's what and then I heard how they were really doing curb and I knew it was like improv but they're like yo like they basically have the lightest of prompts and it's all off the cuff oh interesting and I was like that's because that's I think the reason people love it so much is even if it feels like overly acted and dramatic and yelly at times it's dinette it's in the fucking moment they stitched together they edited of course but still it's like you're capturing real shit not something that was like predetermined and I think that's what people really love even if it's recording put out like a podcast but definitely the live component the interaction that can take place you oh yeah like just being like fucking up like man being in front of all this new audience on Adult Swim I don't know where they don't know the fuck we are they don't know our films they don't know our podcast I don't know anything all of a sudden there's just two fucking juggalos like us sitting there getting high in front of a green screen and fucking doing Rape and like doing we did a whole show about death and played death songs and people were talking and about what they think death is and like it was really it was far out but it was like this isn't who this is for like this is funny this this inner play but it's not who it's for like if we got our community vibe imbued on that type of show I that'd be something I'd want to do forever you know it's definitely a thing and it's happened for sure I'm pretty excited yeah yeah I think it'll give us a reason to get together I mean we already get to we already hang out all the fuck it no no this is this is good this is your audience know we're friends did we explain that I don't know I mean I think at this point it's pretty I say it all the time oh great yeah we pretty sure yes so I'm pretty sure I mean I know I know for fact I'm also you guys know I'm fucking I'm real diligent on me gauging people's interests when it comes to things like I know people I know people want this because the main thing I've learned over the past like eight nine months is that I'm not doing anything we're talking about shit that people are already thinking about we maybe have figured out how to eloquently say it at times sometimes not it's very much not authentically authentically and that gives people like I was saying for the confidence that like yo this shit is just totally possible like this is these are my people because that's who they are at that like when someone feels someone like just hanging out and having a good time and they feel good that's your people yeah that's your people yeah right on well find your people well it is it's find your tribe build your tribe time it feels that way it's palpable especially if you pay attention to like the political realm our mystery guest fell asleep yeah he needed to just got it I'll have a picture of this yeah he's a tucker doubt juggle though did he take one of those day pills or whatever you have no he's still like he's on the edge of gosh we're soothing and just sleeping he's going into the deep um let's uh I and so let's do a double dose of these questions Joey if you can participate you're involved favorite color Joey's color blind yeah I am that's okay you can still have a blue there we go great colors my favorite color the same oh we all blue guys yeah we got the blues all right but I would say second favorite purple red green fuck I was gonna say green too yeah so it's like blue green is really good yeah yeah I like all the color I mean everyone likes all the colors obviously but you know when you're really doing okay favorite number seven seven seven not seven well that's a good that's a good call because then yeah that's your favorite numbers not she hates seven no I like eight or thirty five oh of course thirty five is your favorite number please don't even fuck around are you trying to honor Kobe oh no no I mean I do love Kobe I honor him I honor him and we're honoring this this whole episode is about fifty five actually sorry fifty five yeah fifty five okay so fifty five seven thirty five I'm thirteen favorite animal when I was younger probably cheetah I say a little Gerbil no why do you say no he's gas had a Gerbil I had a ham though I had a guinea pig okay they're actually little no in fact they're all the same thing oh no they're not a horse maybe the stereo oh yeah you're such a koala yeah you are a koala I could see that I'm a dolphin dolphin oh my god that picture you showed us oh it's terrible I need to photoshop it's so horrible face on a dolphin oh it's not this one I showed you guys that's horrible oh god so it's like life like a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you can share with people listening could be anything just be kind that's a good one go plant based you first know I first my practical tip empirically test that your imagination is God just do it it's my practical tip okay this is the same as my last one but the only thing I can think of is learn how to breathe breathe motherfucker cast your proportion to wisdom toward ratios astronaut yeah that's a good way putting it really and if you listen to our podcast always yeah it's like boom it's pretty crazy thank you all thank you you're so fun yeah love you know love you peace and love you you thanks for listening to that episode if you liked it go subscribe to very eight podcast because they're fucking amazing how many times do I need to say you can find links to all their shit very eight dot TV they make documentaries they're amazing we saw a screening of two of their films Joshua tree and sweet nothing which I had seen when they first came out but hadn't seen them since then and man the sweet nothing always makes me cry it's so beautiful the friend Aila take some acid and it's just so beautifully done um fuck they're so cool so that's it for this episode I will see you with 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