Get The Dab with Sean & Cass

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Welcome to Synchronicity. My guests this week are Shawn and Cass from the Very Eight Podcast. You know them. This is their, I got, I don't know, 10th parents. Who knows, they're the best. We hung out the other day. This is a two-parter. If you wanna check out part two, go over to Very Eight Podcast and you will hear part two. It was a pretty fun time. It's got about three hours' podcast here. How about that? Been away. Come back in full force. Before we get started, big shout out to Ned, my sponsors. Go to helloned.com/synch, S-Y-N-C. Use the code, no wait, no. Is it slash sync? Use the code sync, S-Y-N-C to get 15% off whatever you order.

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Yeah. So this will be like-- Almost the same as me. Like, I'm almost embarrassed to say. This will be like our ninth year doing it. You know, it's like being in the league. You got to retire at some point, right? Yeah. Is it embarrassing to be an old podcaster? I think it's just embarrassing to be old. [LAUGHTER] I don't think it's about the podcasting. I mean-- Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to be 40. Hell yeah, bro. Yeah. And I think it's weird, because if you look back 80 years ago, 40 was your old. When we were kids, 40 seemed old. Yeah. And I mean, you're officially middle age. You are. But it doesn't feel like-- I don't feel like physically on the decline.

You know what I mean? Like, I can't drink as heavily as I could. But-- The opposite. I'm like, I'm so waiting for the other shoe to drop when it comes to that stuff, that I'm like, it's made me have to have disciplines that I probably wouldn't have had other ones. You guys are also really healthy, exceptionally healthy. Yeah, we're very-- we pay such-- we're so rigid about what we put in our bodies. And then I could be loose about so many other things. I can be high all the time. I can fuck off. I can be unemployable. I can take acid all the time. But it seems like this one thing. But I do-- it seems like that one thing, paying attention what we put in our bodies.

And then we've added to that-- meditation's very important to us exercise and sleeping. Yeah, we've gotten very, very, very dialed in with our sleep. I don't take care of-- I go through phases, like I think most things. But I generally do not pay that much attention to what I-- I mean, I pay attention. I'm just not stopping if something seems like I shouldn't be putting in it. But yeah, definitely, you feel a lot-- I think one of the things when you take care of your body is you feel a lot better physically, which naturally carries through emotionally, psychologically, so you can get into grooves.

You don't want the work as much. It's like the muscle is developed to get into a positive mindset or just feeling good. Yeah. You have everything working against you when you're hungover. And for a while, you were just saying that you had family who was heavy drinkers, and you were trying to keep up, and you just couldn't. You had to tap out. Fuck. I mean, drinking, taxing. I'm not as-- I used to be like I think I went through a phase when I was really getting into weed. It's like alcohol is the worst. It's so bad. I actually don't think that. I think alcohol is really cool. There's a reason it's called spirits.

My sister is very good at educating in that department. But it is taxing. It's like it is a specific type of poisoning you're doing to your body. And I mean, the biggest testament to that is if you're a heavy drinker or a chronic drinker and you just stop, you don't just get withdrawals. Like an opiate addict, those won't kill you. It's just uncomfortable and they're miserable. You can die from alcohol withdrawal. Totally. Literally can die, which to me is like, obviously, for how liberal people are with it. It's pretty crazy. Oh, yeah. I've been telling my dad for 10 years that alcohol is bad for you, and no amount is good for you.

It's a carcinogen. All this shit, he was like all on the train of like, I need to drink a couple glasses of red wine. Pretty much a bottle for my health, you know? And finally, the New York Times catches up and writes an article that no amount of alcohol is good for you. And the amount of alcohol you'd have to drink as far as the wine to get those benefits is obscene. And so my dad, who's been a drinker my entire life and my parents got divorced over it, he's basically like, you need to love me for who I am. And I'm a drinker. And that made Cass like, man, she is like, just such a compassionate person.

Because the person, like, you know, one of the closest people in your life, you don't want them to drink, and you've done everything you can. And he's like, except me for who I am, and you did. Yeah, and then of course, he hasn't drank now since Christmas because of the fucking New York Times was like, I mean-- Well, that's a whole other-- I mean, thank you for that, but it's kind of frustrating. That's these old heads, they love the New York Times. Well, that's so interesting that if that's what God, I got him. That's where, like, this whole science thing, because, you know, now, you know, they're finding out-- there's no real consensus on it, but they think that COVID came from a lab now.

It's like a lot more agencies, which always kind of means. And I mean, it's like the whole coronavirus research place is where it's starting. I thought we had all come to this consensus a while ago. Maybe I only listened to weird people, but I thought that this was a well-known open secret. Yeah. But what that pandemic did in terms of creating a schism between scientific belief and, like, science-ism belief, it's still reverberating. Like, there are still people who are completely basing whatever their beliefs about something like a virus is off of what the scientific research-- but there's like, I don't know, it became a god for people in a lot of ways.

To god that's handed to us, our concept of science, whether we can comprehend this or not, is handed down to us from the pharmaceuticals. Which we don't know anything about ourselves because we're not scientists. We don't create chemicals. Yeah. So these people that put a fucking sign in their front yard-- in this house, we believe in science. I'm like, you're a jabroni. Like, what are you fucking talking about? You believe whatever they're fucking selling you? That, like, it's weird. It definitely is weird because a lot of people who would be considered, like, on the left or more liberal, like, the hard line stance on that was that this is, like, even with the vaccines.

Like, remember, like, whether you got a vaccine or not, it's not important to me. But it was definitely pitched as this will stop transmission. Like, this is going to curb the ability for this to spread. It definitely doesn't. Because that's why we took it. And then it doesn't do that. But that doesn't even make sense. Because I've given-- I've gotten COVID from vaccinated people each time. Yeah, me too. And I've given COVID to Sean twice, vaccinated. It's just like, it's bullshit. And so it gives people this false sense of security and-- Yeah, and it comes back to me, like, because a lot of the-- I've been getting into this author, Florence Global Shin, who was, like, a little before Neville Goddard.

But there's this clear, like, the esophical society, new thought type of thinking where it's like your beliefs. And that's what creates your reality and creates stuff. And one of the things that they all talk about is that a virus won't make you sick. Your belief that the virus will make you sick is what makes you sick. If a authority figure tells you that this will heal you, your belief in that authority figure and the mechanism of what they're saying is actually what creates health, that's a tough pill to swallow, no pun intended, for people because it opens the door, obviously, to all the other metaphysical ramifications of that.

But that's how it works as far as I know. I mean, we know that because we know about placebo effects. And it works in the opposite. If you think something's bad for you, it does that sort of thing. I mean, I had a fucking pain in my chest for like four months when I first heard about COVID. Every night, I remember going to bed like-- I'm dying. I'm fucking dying. Like, what the fuck is this? It was just anxiety, I think. It was just-- it was literal anxiety, yeah. Both times I got COVID, it was not so bad. Second time was a little worse, but it was not that bad. And I just ultimately think, like, if you can kind of hold on to that idea, you're not going to get scientific consensus on that.

You're not going to get people who are authority figures telling you that your belief creates your state of health. Your belief creates your emotional well-being. Your belief really structures your reality because it's a destabilizing concept. It really puts so much emphasis on your own ability to kind of be in control or the master of your thoughts and things like that. And that can be a heavy burden for people. It doesn't have to be-- Yeah, especially in victim culture. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we saying? You sound like a Republican right now. Like, let me classify you and write you off so I don't have to do the work.

That's why I was very grateful for Trump at the end of the day because I saw how wild people would get. And people thought I was a Trump supporter. I would never vote for Donald Trump. I also would never vote for really anyone. But-- Yeah, that's the smarter thing. The thing is just people's opposition to him as though it mattered. Yeah. Was insane. It still is insane. It's still other people want him to go to jail. I mean, people have such blinders on for how we're getting effed in the ass by the Biden administration. Oh, yeah, of course. It's just crazy that-- Because it's because it's their guy.

I don't get it. I just don't understand. I mean, I knew who Biden was because I literally delivered petitions for the rave act in 2001 or a little before because he was trying to shut down raves because if one drug sale took there, they would label that a crack house and it would be condemned. And so I knew he was a schmuck. He's a serial liar. He's a show. He's just a corporate show. He's from Delaware. What does Delaware exist to house fake companies? I have a company-- That's what Delaware is at. That's who's running our country, the guy who ran Delaware. Yeah. And I mean, I just don't-- I don't hate Joe Biden.

I don't think he's the worst person. I don't think he's any worse than any other politician. But to see people still get riled up about politics, I don't want to be so disconnected that I say it's antiquated. But it doesn't serve most people. That energy is not productive for most people. I think the most frustrating thing for us, having a lot of people in our life who are staunch, like Biden supporters, is just feeling like they don't need to do anything else. Like I voted-- Let's keep your feet up time. It's like I voted for the good guy he's in there. You know what I mean? It just feels like there's this-- that this gave them the like, I'm on the good side of history.

And I just don't even believe that that the Democrats are the good guys anymore. I think I did at some point. I did. I protested with his Supreme Court when Al Gore lost. I was a huge political believer and definitely liberal. I was the reason Al Gore lost. I lived in Florida. I was 18. It was my first election. And I voted for Ralph Nader. No fucking asshole. Me and 238 other people change the country. Isn't that funny? I was a fucking young revolutionary. And Ralph Nader. He's the man. I still fucking love him. I love him. I mean, at the time, you were like, there's no difference. But honestly, I do believe that Al Gore is the lesser of those evils.

And it would have been a very different thing. Well, it's why. But it's impossible to know. It's really impossible to know. But think if we wouldn't have got all those amazing George Bush experiences-- Well, and all those amazing-- Yeah, and all those dead Iraqis. But that would have happened anyway. Let's be clear. I guess the thing is, because they probably would have because the Democrats overcompensate. They overcompensate for being seen as weak. So they are the one-- I kind of what I liked about Donald Trump was that he was like very anti-war. He stood up to the generals. He's an isolationist.

Yeah. I kind of liked that. I was like, what? And then we have-- That was his best thing. And I think that Democrats are so scared of being perceived as weak that they're the first to bomb and do whatever. I don't think this perceived weakness, I think, is a policy you make money for the defense contractors who pay the lobbyists, who pay the politicians. It's not a really complicated, complex system. It's just corrupt, usually. But let's remember, that was a unanimous bipartisan decision to go into-- And it always will be. And you got to be most suspicious of the bipartisan things. And, of course, I don't know, the schism politically between the two parties is more about theatrics at this point than actual policy things.

There are different things. But I also find myself being more aligned with Republicans, usually, on fiscal matters these days. Well, because you're a wealthy man sometimes. Sometimes, it really is sometimes-- I mean, I like to think all the time, but sometimes it's present in the bank account. But yeah, I mean, it's complicated. I do think it obviously serves a function. We need governing bodies. I am grateful we have roads and laws and such. But it does seem like a lot of just fractured energy that really affects people, too. I think more of the COVID stuff, because that was such a-- I saw so many people literally get mad at me for just talking about the possibility that vaccines maybe shouldn't be mandatory kind of de facto.

And maybe we should wait a little bit to see what happens. People lost their jobs. Yeah, yeah, especially not other people lost their jobs. I'm not with that, especially as-- especially as more information comes out and everything. And what I would like to say, though, is to people who did take the vaccine like myself. The way that if you didn't take the vaccine, it's your belief. I believe that I could have probably survived COVID. I can survive having taken the vaccine. So just keep your mind set positive, no matter all the negative. We got in the sawn and sweat that shit out. We sweat out the COVID and sweat out the vaccine.

Just sweat it all out. Again, if it was back to what I was kind of saying about, it's your belief. The vaccine isn't going to kill you. COVID isn't going to kill you. If you believe that they are, to me, the danger in there is you're opening up a door. Like you're then putting your faith outside of yourself and your ability to kind of like summon forth like reality. And once that door is cracked anywhere, it's like a chain. And there's a weak link in the chain. And it will inevitably be focused on by you the higher aspects of your being, your soul, your subconscious, whatever you want to call it, super conscious, will home in on that and give you a life experience that exposes that.

And then you have the choice to react as though it's a real thing that is outside of you, dominating you and you have to deal with it or whether you're going to go inside and kind of like deal with the root kind of belief structure that's causing that to be played out in your reality. And that, I just feel like all of these experiences are hopefully emphasizing how much personal power and influence we have on our lives. And that it isn't this outside stuff that dominates and controls. 'Cause then you're making a God outside of yourself, which is not as far as I can tell accurate, more beneficial.

It's not like it serves you all that well. It can put you in a state of delusion where maybe you're like, you know, good for a little bit because you have a magical thing that helps you, but I don't know, it doesn't seem like the way to go.

I think a lot of this would have been better if it wasn't mandatory because it would have just been like, if you're high risk and even if you're just healthy and young, this vaccine has been proven to make it where you're less likely to go to a hospital. I don't have a job, I wasn't forced to get the vaccine, I voluntarily got the vaccine.

We also wouldn't have been able to work in our industry if a doctor had come up.

That's why we did it. We were like, if a job comes up, we had to be vaccinated.

That's true.

Everywhere we went.

Three vaccines, not two, three.

Cats forged the last one for me.

I did.

That's my girl.

Because I was like, I saw what was happening with people's hearts and especially men, I was like, I'm not making you take another one of these.

You want me strong.

Yeah, of course.

Meanwhile, my dad, like every time Rachel Maddow says, go get a fucking vaccine, he's like, I'm going to get another booster. I'm like, stop. Literally, what had they all at my dad?

What are they all at?

A booster wise, like eight?

Yeah, something insane.

Yeah, they're just injecting them with MSNBC at this point.

Right.

It's just the main line. Just get the fucking thing I do.

Yeah, exactly. You're a good person. You're a good person. It's the same thing with the Ukrainian flags. It's just like, we're so--

I'm Ukrainian basically, genetically, like both sides of my family are from--

You're also gone to Jew.

Yeah.

I've always known that about you.

But the thing is is like, I mean, guys, like, what the fuck do we really think is going on? Also, I try to like just, I'm not a Putin supporter by any means. I think it's a brutal dictatorship in a lot of ways. But if Russia started lining up Mexico with nukes and all of these things, we wouldn't be like, we're like, cool, like, I think this is fine.

No kidding, exactly.

Have some awareness of like, they're being provoked in some way. I don't think of--

People don't want to look at that or believe it or feel it.

Well, to the Ukrainian flag waving type, history starts when Russia invaded Ukraine. And they don't want to think about what Ukraine is, what it's all about, what it's always been known as--

It's a very interesting place.

Extremely corrupt.

Very interesting. Well, because--

I mean, we're finding out now, they just are taking our money and fucking laundering and giving it to their oligarchs and just doing the same shit.

That everyone does in the Eastern European flag.

Yeah, exactly.

That we do here.

Yeah, so we're just filtering our money over there and perpetuating World War III. Like, this is going to get real--

I don't think it will. I think, I don't think it's going to get there because I think it's isolated to this region that most people are disconnected from in the Western Hemisphere, even though it's in Europe and it's close to Russia. But like, everyone's playing like a complicated game here. Like Turkey is very interesting. Like the geopolitical influence they have by being in NATO, but also kind of still working with Russia. Like, there really are. They're getting the money and they're receiving things. So it's, and then meanwhile, there's a US military base in Turkey. So it's like, there's a lot of weird shit going on.

We have 900 bases all over the fucking world. We have more than that. We can't even count them.

I'll be honest. I don't know what the fuck's going on, but--

That's also, we should all say that.

I don't know what the fuck's going on, but I do believe in like standing by and supporting countries that are being invaded and women being raped and horrible things happening, of course, but is sending them money the most effective way to do that? Or are there other things like, hey, maybe pulling back what, like we're saying, how close we are with our military bases.

If Russia had nukes in Canada and Mexico and then they cut us off from the World Banking System--

It would be World War III.

Yeah. And not only that, we blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. Like this insane stuff's gonna start coming out and like all will be revealed and it just becomes, it becomes very boring, but I think that the way to tie it back to what you were saying is we gotta just stop collectively believing in that. Just believing that that's a solution to anything.

That's the hard part because I think when some people hear that, it's like, you know, John Lennon and Yoko and I was saying, like imagine there's no war, there's no war. It's like, yeah, okay, sure. Eventually it does lead to that, but it's more about shifting your individual consciousness to try to believe that something better will come out of this and that it's not going to be, and not just pure belief that, I do believe that's the most important thing, but like allowing possibilities to open up where this doesn't end up in absolute chaos and, you know, we're living in like the worst post-apocalyptic nightmare, like the last of us.

You guys watching The Last of Us, I play the game. It's really amazing. It's not zombies, but I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

I heard someone go insane, I don't know. (laughing)

I'll tell you, it's really good. Emotional, like the most pathos I've seen in a show in a really long time. It's like really tactfully and tastefully done. The game was terrifying. I barely got through it when I played it back in the day, but it's--

Is it this eight-bit overhead game where you're just going around corners? Oh, okay, I don't know.

Do you remember we were trying to get Super Smash TV?

Oh, yeah.

I think I might be able to download it for this switch. I heard you can do it as a ROM. That game was dope.

You have an audio card for that thing?

Of course. There's a new DLC that just came out with new courses.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you.

Just came out before?

I'll have to check it out.

Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's weird, because the quarantine started. And I was like, oh, everyone's going to kind of get to live how we always live. It's just kind of how we were always living our life. What are we going to do? And what I chose to do as opposed to play the guitar that you gave me was get sickeningly good at Mario Kart for the switch. And then once I got so good at it, then I did turn my attention to the guitar.

Are you doing shortcuts?

Oh, I did. I know everything.

Oh, you know all the shortcuts.

Yeah, everything.

That's the key.

That's the separation.

I would go on and play against the world. It's like dominate.

I can't.

Just dominate.

World domination.

I'm talking world domination.

I'm doing that now. Eli downloaded a Star Wars game on the iPad. And it's player versus player. I was like, you can't play that, it's not appropriate. So I started playing it. I'm amazing at it.

Really?

And I'm crushing, right now I'm in a battle with an Indian person for the leaderboard in our bracket. And like, we're just like, I don't know how many hours a day. We're focusing on this.

Wow.

My life is basically like, I gotta win 15 years a day to stay again, but it's so fun. But this is also why I can't play online games.

It sounds like you are though.

I have to stop. I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna dominate. I'm gonna get so good where I can just come in and dominate. And then I won't wanna do it anymore.

Go out on top, retire with a belt.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I can't do this because there's some part of my brain, like the competitive OCD part, where like, I will be the best. If I can be the best, I will put in the time. That's why I like called duty type games. I don't play them because I suck. Like I never going to be as good as the kids or the Asian people. So it's like, I don't need to play it. But this, I'm good at it. It's a real problem.

Well, this is why I have to pour all of that in me towards art because I'm only in competition with myself. Only I would know if this is better than the last thing or if I grew or, you know, because I've been like, and that's how I am. I was like that when I was like, you know, in capitalist, like the hustle out there with people. I got a gig at History Channel at 23 and I fucking dominated people that had been there 15 years. People had made their careers there. I like went in there and for four years just fucking shook the place up, dominated, got my start and was like, yeah, I don't need y'all anymore.

And then I was like in art world and it was like hard to tell where to point that, like, fiery competitive, like inner little bitch capitalist in you. But I burned it out. That's when I discovered mushrooms. Like literally, and like we started this saying, like we're healthy, that's what started me being healthy. Was like almost like, hey, like my body and my soul had had enough of that fucking competitive, angry, masculine dance. And I was like, I wanted to just be a little bit more and flow and I needed a mushroom to like humble my ass and say start eating where I'm all the fuck up.

How long did you guys know each other before you did mushrooms?

Three years.

At least.

Wow, so you knew the free shot.

Yeah, oh yeah.

Oh yeah, I knew clean shaven shot when I met him.

Yeah, but I mean, I think Cas much prefers the version of me that's psychedelic and I can pour all that stuff that I used to be like, fuck this, fuck that. And I'll tell you why and I'm--

He used to be like, fuck everyone, eat shit. Like that was not the hottest.

Like literally had a shirt that just said like eat shit and like our whole crew, like that was our film thing. Like we were just like, nobody fucks with us. Like it was kind of how you have to be to be like fiercely independent in an industry full of rich kids. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't have money. I'm going to get mine. I'll fucking show you guys. Yeah, and I will fucking, I'll rewrite this medium if I have to to get fucking my work out there and to get it seen. Like I don't give a fuck. Anyway, that was much more of the attitude and then like the mushrooms came in.

That were piece of magic.

Piece of magic with a little bit of each shit.

That was a little bit.

Well, you have to. I mean, I think that's also like, it's great to be woo. It's great to be psychedelic.

Yeah.

But you gotta have the edge there or you're just like, it's too--

It's all balanced.

You get played.

You get played, but you also just like, you need that grit. You need the edge to be able to kind of like, go after what you is important. You don't want nothing. You don't be fully indifferent to life and what it has to offer. I don't think that's why we're alive.

Yes.

It's just to like exist and be cool with literally everything. Like sure, but we do have desires. We do have things showing us what is important to us. Whether we think that's possible or not is another story, but like that's why those things exist. And I think that relationship also like between our desires and like, like people can't get weird about it. They can think that what's impossible or it's wrong to want that or it's not appropriate or I don't have the time or whatever it is. But if you allow yourself to go to the place where you do and your desires are pointing you or it's something that's very important to you, that's when you can see these big life shifts, whether it's mushrooms entering your life or you know, whatever it is.

Yeah. I think with the mushrooms, more than anything, it gave us an understanding of what consciousness even is.

Right.

Oh, like we can be more conscious.

Like I was pretty good at being asleep at the wheel, but then like you're being awake at the wheel.

And then you're like, oh, I should be conscious of what I'm putting in my body, conscious of what my thoughts are. And that's where we were like, we need to meditate. Like we need something to help support, listen, to let the, not prioritize every dumb ass fucking thought you have.

That's super important.

Yeah.

People just, you don't take and give equal importance to all thoughts.

Yeah.

It's chaotic.

Yeah.

I've thoughts everyone does all day long that are preposterous. They're just like, absolutely like, not even in like a nice way. Just like, whoa, like what? Like what? And unfortunately a lot of us, including myself, everyone engages with some of those, but to have this like almost like radical ability to selectively choose which thoughts and ideas we give power to, that's like the meta skill that hopefully, you know, we get better at or like click into more often than not because then you can really start experiencing life and enjoying it regardless of what the circumstances are too because you know this ability to kind of resonate with your thoughts is what's gonna summon forth your experiences.

And that's, it's not easy. There's a lot of shit that gets thrown at us. But again, I just some of the firm believe that that's us doing it to ourselves. It's not like this life is this thing and it does this shit to us, it's like you're doing it. What you believe is creating your reality. I've seen it proven true too many times, good and bad. Unfortunately, you gotta take responsibility for the gnarly shit you dream of.

Oh, thank you.

I mean, I just also feel like how sadistic can we be when you think of all like the weird gnarly shit we put in our lives, what?

Oh man.

Overall, I mean, I think any ability to feel gratitude for your life is such a powerful way of like taking control or using like the power, your innate power because then you start to understand. Like then you start to fully appreciate that like, okay, there's a lot. I remember this, you know when I really got like the biggest, this is my biggest experience of this in my life. It was with you guys when I did the DMT and the ketamine and the nitrous and the acid and the cratum and the weed.

I take no responsibility.

You should take full. (laughing) So when I was coming back, I had gone through most of like the, I had already asked if I pooped myself or whatever. No, that was the second time, but like that, I--

I Googled it, it said what you'd be okay.

Yeah, sure. And so I was coming back and for about five, felt like five or 10 minutes, I couldn't feel like myself. I felt paranoid, I felt disconnected, I felt afraid, I felt suspicious, I felt no love, I felt completely detached from all the things that I now recognize are just like how I naturally feel. And it was terrifying. And then all I could remember is as my feeling started coming back and realizing who I was and where I was, I was like, oh my God, I'm so thankful and happy that this is what I choose to resonate with rather than the unlimited spectrum of what could be that is not as good as this.

Not even when I see not as good, like truly hellish.

Yes, your dark days with the soul ended up being a good reference point for you to have a positive outlook.

I had no choice but to. It was like literally, it was not even a conscious decision. It was like being kicked in the nuts, I'll take it to afterwards, kicked in the nuts repeatedly, forever or just like having a nice sandwich. Like those were the comparison. It was no in any way choice. It was just like, I feel and I'm grateful for feeling this way almost all the time. Even when I feel bad, I still am a step away from feeling like grateful and appreciative for all the things in my life. And that's.

I think this is why DMT for me is the gratitude drug 'cause that's all I ever come away with it. With all the other drugs, they bring me many things and they do bring me gratitude, but that's DMTs, like central thesis. And for some people, it might have to take you on that. The wildest ride to get there. And like for me, like a lot of times my DMT experiences haven't been terrifying, I'm in another dimension. And when I come back to this one, I'm grateful I'm here.

Right.

That I'm a human and that I can still have cast.

Exactly.

And oh my God, my family.

Exactly.

And it's so funny because I've seen this. Like DMT is the thing we've probably served to most people we've probably given 75 times.

A moment to formally apologize that you didn't have a good experience.

Oh my God.

No, but I am sorry about that.

We've already mastered this.

You get the experience you need. It's never anything but that. So like I also attribute my difficult and trying experience to my hubris. Like that's what created that. I literally had the thought like, I'm gonna go get magical songs from the DMT realm and bring them back and we're gonna be famous. Like it was the dumbest like thinking that one could do. And when you go in on that many substances into that realm like I have a DMT vape that apparently you can just hit lightly and it won't last off and you'll feel it. I will experiment that at some point but it was enough for me to like really jolt me out of whatever reason I thought I was using substances for.

Which to me if they're not serving a specific purpose that's when they can become a problem. I do think that they need to be at least functioning and serving you in some way. And you get to make the determination whether it's beneficial or not. If it's just like a hodgepodge just doing, doing, doing. That's, you're not gonna come out on the right end of that. Most of the time sometimes you can't. But I mean, it was reckless. That's why I got that experience. And I am grateful I did because I'm telling you like, I mean, I probably wouldn't be grateful if I didn't click back into it. But I did start feeling like myself.

I did feel where my natural like vibratory pattern is and it's good. It's not bad.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you're not even top on my list of craziest ones. You know what I mean? You're probably number two or three.

Oh, that's good to know.

Well, actually if I start including people who did purge and fucking vomit and shit themselves, you're like seven or 10 on the list. Like that's how many wild situations.

Imagine how many people probably shit themselves that didn't tell us they should themselves?

Oh yeah. They're just like, I'm gonna go in the bathroom for 45 minutes for some reason.

I didn't jive myself for the rest.

I know. I know. Oh, you asked me to verify and I was like, okay. And I'm gonna take off afterwards. But yeah, you didn't shoot.

My friend once asked me down on mushrooms. But first time we were young in high school we were at the beach. There was a beach week and he had taken some mushrooms and there was a shadow from like the sun was going down and there was a spot on his pants. And he goes, am I peeing myself? I'm like, dude, I don't know how you want me to verify this. I can't answer that for you. I hope not, but what do you want me to say in my dude? Like, you gotta know that. But I did, I mean, God, it was just such a trip. It was so disorienting because of the ketamine, I think primarily, but the acid and the nitrous and all that other stuff.

I think also the music playing, I was telling you guys, I was like, turn the music off. You do not want to be tethered to anything. You want to just allow the experience to happen. And I feel like everyone wants to listen to music on DMT. I'm like, silence, silence, silence, silence because anything that tethers you to time distorts the experience.

Yeah, and it was also, I think we were listening to a loop of what we had to make.

Yeah, yeah.

Which is maybe the worst thing you can do on ketamine. Yeah, it was just like, it was reckless. That's all there was. And I think-

And I knew, and I was just more of the like, slow down boy do what he needs to do. I'm not one that's gonna tell another man in his own house had to do the job she wants to do. And I remember breathing in, total void, nothing. Breathing out, it sounded like a jack-in-the-box starting. Everything would come back. I'd see everyone, it would retreat. And that happened for like a good 20 seconds.

20 years.

It's too much. It was so crazy.

But honestly, no, you probably have one of the most positive dispositions of anyone I've ever met. Has that been your whole life or is this like-

No, I mean, Neville Goddard or what is this?

Well, we've known him before then.

We've known him before then. I mean, the thing is, is this-

Was he that positive before?

Yeah, he's always positive.

He's like, we joke about you. We're like, good, good, good. You know, like that's what we say about-

Well, that was the funniest tarot reading you ever gave. We're all on ketamine, we're just sitting there on ketamine, just pulling cards, you're just like good, good, good. (laughing)

And it was.

That's, it really was. You're just like, don't worry about the details.

I mean, I do readings like, I do enough of them that there are some that are, I never say not good, but I'll be like, this is not really energy. So I do try to remind people when that does happen, like it is, they're not all good. They're not all positive. But yeah, I mean, I think in terms of optimism, I definitely have periods where I don't feel as good, personally about whether it's my life or myself. That does happen. They luckily tend to be a very small percentage relative to the rest of my life. We're talking probably less than like a couple percent. It's not a long time I stay in those states.

We probably have similar astrology, 'cause I think you and I--

You guys are both cancer sun, sad moon.

Sad moon is what it is.

Yeah.

So sad moon, fire moons.

It's all chilled 'til it's not. (laughing)

Well, that's the, fire moons in particular. Denise is in Ari's moon. One of the benefits of having a fire moon is you do tend to move thing through things emotionally very quickly. So it's also the same person, same thing like, if you get in a fight, and there's someone who's over it after the fight, and then there's a person hanging onto it, you'll find the fire moon is usually the one who's ready to completely get over it.

Thank God. It's the best thing about this relationship is that Sean moves through.

Your cancer moon?

Yeah.

But I'm pretty chill.

So is Mary.

But those you can emotionally hang onto things a little bit longer. There is the fluidity of it. Eli, my oldest son is a cancer moon as well. Deep rich emotional life very like felt deeply and like it's good stuff. But the fire moons you really do get to like sometimes just burn it out. You burn out, especially in Sagittarius, it's a very expansive sign, right? So things are like more of. So you do kind of get those like blasts of energy.

I've seen you on it too. Like I've seen you burst into our apartment.

Yeah.

Fucking shot out of a cannon. Like it's someone, like, and I'm like, that reminds me so much of myself when I'm like that. But really only Cass and maybe Maron, sometimes my parents are privy to that. Like just explosive like you cross the fucking line.

Yeah, that's always what it is for me.

And it is a line.

Yes.

And you crossed it.

I don't like like what I think what usually sets me off is like I want things to be chill. I'm pretty non-confrontational. I'm always trying to service a chill vibe. You push me, I'll keep my chill and keep it and the chill remains until it doesn't. And then when it doesn't, I'm so mad that you pushed me to a place that I don't like in myself, I don't wanna bring out this vlog.

You're not gonna like it either.

No one's gonna like it. Now we're all going down and I hate it. I hate it.

You probably have my ability to, which is to just destroy the vibe in a room.

Yeah.

I don't even have to say anything.

I don't even have to say anything.

I don't even have to say anything.

You can be doing nothing and you've destroyed the vibe. I know.

I can apparently do it by just like changing a look on my face.

Oh, it's a skill.

I mean, anyone can destroy a vibe by changing the look on their face.

Because you care about what they're buying this.

You know what though, that's a thing. If you care about it, there are people in a room who might not be happy and you're indifferent to that.

Honestly, there's some people who when they're in a bad mood, I'm like, this is hilarious that you're in a bad mood about this. I'm gonna have a great time because you are being, we're at a concert, we're having a great time. You're in a bad mood.

Kids will teach you that too. Because their moods are to us seemingly just insane. Like, you know, what a new world.

There's Mickey and Minnie Hoofy's walking around you're fucking crying.

We actually wanna go to Disney. I think we're gonna try to go.

Take the whole fam, both sets of kids?

Yeah, both sets of kids. Yeah, I think that's gonna be something we're gonna try to do, which will be. I understand its own set of challenges. But I went to Disney World as like a 11 year old with my friends' family. We took a car train down where they put the car on the train, you have a car down there. And we stayed in the hotel with the Monorail where it goes through the hotel. And back then, I'm sure they don't have this anymore. You used to be able to rent these little sprites, these little boats. They had this fountain, this big like water fountain at the resort. And you as like a young kid could go and just fucking drive around.

Oh, they definitely don't have that anymore.

I know they don't because there was like a passenger ferry and there's nothing dividing like the open seas and like, we were in trouble. 'Cause like we were getting way too close to this thing.

Holy shit.

It was so cool, man. Turkey legs, they out there and you guys don't need it. It's, yeah, I mean.

A nice turkey leg, like a run fest.

I've never had one of those.

It's pretty not great, but it's fun. It's like a novelty. Like you see people walking around with huge turkey legs, it's a thing, it's a vibe.

Imagine that in like a huge Steine beer, like how good that would be.

You just feel like a man.

You are a man.

The peak of Western capitalist civilization.

Yeah, you're just firing on cylinders.

There is no more, you have to either love that or just don't go there. But, I mean, it's cool. Like, also Disney, like, I think one of my favorite movies of all time is Moana. It is truly like a master. Have you guys seen "Paddington 2"? Did you heard about this?

I have heard about it. I've heard about it.

It's 99% of rotten tomatoes. I heard about it from this Nicholas Cage movie.

Yeah, that's how I heard about it too.

Yeah. Is it actually good?

No, you should tell us.

No, well, our friend Isaac, who just watches every movie ever and reports about them, he watched it based on that. And, yeah, I think he gave it a really high review 'cause I wrote to him, I was like, how was it? He was like, it's incredible.

That's weird to me, I kind of want to watch it because like--

Yeah, let's do it.

I was watching that. It was a weird movie that Nicholas Cage won.

I loved it.

I loved it too.

Yeah.

I also really like Pedro Pascal. He's great.

I think it was--

Did he like their acid scene?

I loved it.

It's becoming a meme.

The meme!

It's becoming a meme now.

It's so high, I didn't see that.

His face.

Yeah.

It's so good, yeah.

They killed it, the only thing I would say, and I shouldn't even say this as a fellow filmmaker, is like, I wish that was a rated NC-17 and they just went a little harder in the paint. Like, just like, man, there's such rich material there with Nick Cage.

It's true, he's--

And they just kept it in the Hollywood thing and I'm like, okay, it's cool, they killed it. They killed it. I do give it an A-plus.

Yeah, it was a really, it was very unique. I saw a bunch of good movies, saw The Whale, did you guys see that?

No, we're never gonna watch that.

Why?

It just seems like--

Manufactured?

It just seems like a slog. It just seems like, yeah, it seems like, oh, they wanted to win an Oscar, Brendan Frasier, I just can't imagine watching it.

It's not as though it's great, we should give it a shot.

I love Aaron Offsky, like he--

I saw it in the theaters.

Yeah, it's good.

It's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, Brendan Frasier, there's a reason he is getting all the love now, like it was--

He's awesome.

It was tastefully done. You know what you're going into.

That's what I'm--

Know what you're going into, however--

What's the story about, sorry.

He's this guy, he's super fat, he's really unhealthy, he's a literary teacher. He's got a fractured relationship with his daughter, who she's really great in it. It's just like, you know, the healing of that relationship, kind of, but also just like, you also see the scenes of him like eating, and it is like, whoa, it's like, it's sickening and it's sad, and you see kind of the torture this person's going through, but of course, it's like, you know, ultimately kind of uplifting, and there's the moment you kind of are hoping for, but it's one of those movies where you know what you're going into, but the performances and the way it's structured, like, allow it to not be bad.

Yeah, yeah.

And so--

Not like, predictable on a way that's--

Yeah, exactly.

Well, it's Aaron Offsky. There's gonna be some interesting elements, the fact that he even did this movie, you know. 90% of the film, 95% of the film, is in his home. So you do get this, like, very claustrophobic, xenophobic vibe. And it's just done, it's a well-done film, like, I hope he wins Best Actor, because it was really incredible.

I'm rooting for Colin Farrell.

I couldn't watch it, man, I watched the first 20 minutes, I'm like, I'm not doing this shit.

Oh.

Everyone says it's amazing.

That's like my favorite thing in years.

Really?

Yeah, that movie, I watch it, and I'm like, finally, like, something decent.

You're done. Yeah.

You have to get in your blood. I tried to watch it, and I was like, I can't get into it. I saw The Fableman's in theaters, I thought that was pretty good.

We'll have to check that out.

He's good, I mean, he's a good fucking director.

Yeah, he's one of the best ever.

Yeah, and it's really cool.

He's so good that we can take him for granted.

Totally.

He's so good.

I watched DT the other day with the kids, I was like, shit, you know what I saw recently that actually holds up incredibly well, despite him being kind of a me-tude. What about Bob?

Oh, who's me-tude?

Bill Murray.

No.

He ain't got me-tude in the film with a Zeeze and Zari film.

Wait, what?

He got me-tude.

Oh, yeah, people are like, he's an asshole.

He's also apparently going to let Trevor, I mean, he's not surprised.

He's a free spirit, give the man a break.

Yeah.

He's an alcoholic.

He's an alcoholic.

We're not happy with that.

Wait, what did he do though?

He was like, you know, like touching and making comments.

What about Bob is one of the best movies ever?

I don't know if I've seen it.

He is true.

Oh, Cass. Cass.

Cass.

Wait, what? I don't know.

Oh my God.

Bill Murray and Richard Dreyfus. Richard Dreyfus plays his therapist.

The best.

And his therapist, like he's got this handful patient that's Bob.

Bob.

Bill Murray. And Richard Dreyfus and his family try to go on vacation and Bob follows them up there.

Yeah, yeah.

And the family's like-

'Cause they need to help with therapy or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a fuck, yeah.

And it's like, it's so funny. The movie's so funny because it's just like-

So they're like-

It's like a twilight zone episode.

They're like go fishing and they're like, "What about Bob?"

Yeah. And the family loves them and everyone loves them and it's almost like only Richard Dreyfus can tell how annoying this guy is. Like everyone else is like, "Oh, stop it. You're being uptight."

Yes.

And it's fucking incredible.

It's amazing. But it makes you kind of side with Richard Dreyfus so you understand that he's like-

Oh yeah, man.

You do, but then you just like, you can see what's happening and it's so hilarious how like, you know when I was can see how it's like playing trains and automobiles.

It's yes. It's a lot like that.

Without any of the real emotions underneath it, like it's just goofed. There's like no tether to reality. He's such a goofball. Oh my God. Yeah, it really held up. I was surprised like-

Yeah, I love that movie.

Because sometimes old movies you watch really well, man.

If there are before 2000, most movies will hold up.

Yeah.

I have to.

What the fuck happened?

That's something I don't know.

I don't know.

No, I think everything just got overproduced, too many cooks in the kitchen, not respecting artists. I mean, Scripps just got dumber. I think just maybe collectively we got dumber.

That's true.

Like just across the board, our intellect has gone down.

We were in more of a constricted posture. Yeah, it's not as fun or funny in your life.

But we've been like, we watch movies from the 70s and we're like, this-

I know.

This script is so complex.

Yeah.

The human emotion that they're navigating is so complex and nuanced and obscure and-

And it's across the audience.

And it's like right now it's just like lowest common denominator across the board. We can't take any risk, you know, because the dollar is what's like the most important thing to people.

Well, these are expensive things to produce and they take a lot of people in a lot of time and they just want to make sure they're going to-

Do you see Avatar 2?

No.

Well, I would love- - I would love a review from you now.

I would love a review from you.

I would love for somebody to explain to me what the fuck that really was.

Look, I enjoyed it, I was high off my fucking mind. I enjoyed it, but I was- - Edibles.

Edibles.

Oh, nice.

But I was like, the storyline is coming out of nowhere. There's characters that don't make even sense, it doesn't even follow anything. Like I just-

This is a spectacle.

It's a spectacle.

They're like-

Such a spectacle you forget, like this doesn't make sense.

Yeah, that's what I gathered, that was kind of the first one was kind of like that. I actually like Avatar, I think it's cool, but I didn't also want to sit in theater for three hours for a spectacle.

But it's so nice 'cause you're underwater.

I'm gonna sit.

And it's so cool.

I'm gonna see it.

3D.

I got this sound bar is I usually watch the big budget stuff on that. It's really, I highly recommend anyone if you're like watching stuff get a sound bar. It really is a change, you get a nice sub and a sound bar and you really got the theater. Although I got-

I need an extra mole.

I went, no, I don't.

I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

I'm joking.

Going to theater is also awesome, it's all the fablements and the whale at the theater and it's really nice.

Oh yeah.

It is nice to get.

It's one of my favorite things ever, it sucks that it like went away for a while and it's kind of-

I mean the one near us is closing.

It's closing, yeah AMC is closing all these theaters.

Yeah, there's no big ones up here, it's all, well they're across the river, but there's nothing, they're a art house and Ryan back and a teeny little one and-

I would love if we had something like that, but we don't-

They show pretty good stuff there, that's where I saw the whale. And it was, I guess like, I want to like see shit up here, it was empty, it was pretty, it was like, you know, 20 people in there. I've been pretty happy, I saw, do you guys see Triangle of Sadness?

No.

That was pretty good, I gotta say, it was legit, it was not bad. I know I'm talking to people like, you know, especially-

No, no, we try to watch most things. We love movies.

I love a movies movie.

We just watched the other night, a great one called Long Shot that flew under the radar. Seth Rogen and Charlize Theron, she plays the-

Oh, I saw them in theaters, I saw that in fucking theaters.

Great movie.

Funny they jump off the fucking dock, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw them in theaters or something, who would I see them, I feel like-

I feel like, we were trying to figure out like, why isn't this like a bigger movie? And I think they just picked the wrong title. I think like, people can't remember what it's called, like, 'cause it doesn't really line up with the movie in any way, you know, I don't know.

It was a weird one, yeah, I saw that in the Hamptons, that's where it was. Like, I was saying, when we first arrived here, we were talking about Seth Rogen as we pulled in, and then we came in here and you started talking about Seth Rogen and I was like, he's kind of a god to us, and for so many reasons, it first started out, Cass claimed this when we first got together, she's like, we have to pay ultimate respect to Seth Rogen, because he is a mainstream stoner, he's carrying the torch, he's making this normal, he's making these funny stoner movies, he's like the new Cheech and Chong.

But in a more highbrow way.

Yeah.

This is the end, it's brilliant.

Yeah.

I never saw this.

Oh my god, well it's perfectly watch-driven pandemic too, it's so great.

Not only that, but now he's one of these guys who's like, no, I'm not having kids.

Yeah.

And, you know.

Are you guys?

It's really nice when you have a celebrity figure that you already look up to being like,

You have mad respect for.

Yeah.

You're like, oh, this makes sense. He's, we're talking about it, it's cool, he makes sense, I want to do pottery more than I want to raise children.

What if he doesn't?

It is what it is. It is what it is.

What if he like gets divorced though and then there's like a 25 year old and has kids.

This could happen.

I will pray for that for Sean as well then.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What's your seed live on?

Kids are definitely, I was, what I was thinking about when I saw him talking about the kids thing is, you know, there is this, because he was saying he was acknowledging that like, maybe there's some part of me that I don't know that you experience when you have kids. And the only thing I could say is, I was commenting to Denise the other day, because I was lucky enough, you know, like not all my kids live together. There's Eli and Gabe, go ahead with Alexis and Aslan with Denise. But we've all been together this past week and the relationship, especially between Aslan and Eli is the cutest fucking thing I have ever, like the love they have for each other is like, it's insane, I've never seen it.

So I do acknowledge there's parts of me that I would never even have access to if I didn't have kids. But then there's the part of like, we were talking about like, I don't have a lot of time to do shit. Like I really don't have that much of a personal life at this point. And it was a choice. It wasn't something I did that was thrust upon me. So like it's weighing those kind of aspects of being and determining like, it's definitely like jumping off a cliff with the kids. Like you don't get to go back up like you can go back up on your own and jump off again if you want to do it. But like you're not taking that action back.

And it's a big leap. But it's pretty rewarding. I got to say like, I don't find it, I'm sure there are people and I've at points felt burdened. But like for the most part, there is there is like a really cool aspect to having kids that I don't think I would trade back. I mean, it's hard to say like if I was still partying, like what my life would look like or it would look different. I just don't know that it would be better or even worse than like what I have now. So I don't really like dwell on it too much. But I mean, I was just saying to Alexis actually like, I really want to go to a club. Like I really want to go out to a night and do some drugs.

You need a wild night out. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking but I don't see it in my eyes. What do you want to take? Like when you imagine a wild night out, okay. We'd nothing crazy. Yeah, right. Maybe some ketamine if we're at the right section. Later in the night. What about some MDMA? Definitely Molly. Okay. Definitely. Okay, let's party, man. Let's do a wild night this summer. I would. I kind of want to dance too. Oh my God. And if we find a good night also like Denise is like, I didn't know what at this time we were getting together. Like for the scene of music I'm into, she's like, very connected, like with all of the biggest names.

We could host this night that we wanted to have. Yeah. Well, the fifth house used to be used for that. They had some really weird booking stuff, like very famous production companies and stuff going in there. But like I went to a night there in New Year's with her. That's when we decided to have a kid like two months into the relationship. I remember. It's really fucking bonkers. You left your sister at our place. Yes. Yeah. We had a great time. Yeah. A little bit. Yes. She was probably incapacitated high in some way. And then we were like, hey, we're just going to watch the dead and take Molly and we had a great night.

I want to go. I mean, I just like, there's something about cutting loose that I don't think I really, I get it in pieces. It's hard to do up here too. Like in. Yeah. It's hard to scratch that itch up here. The only time I really think I get to like be with myself is nights like I will stay up. What is taxing is what I'm realizing too, because I still have parental and like shit to do the next day. I'm trying to find, I think I just have to be more creative in terms of what I envision for things to look like. I also think when we're traveling a lot more, that's like, I like that. Like I like being able to go to a new place experiencing a new way of like hanging out and whatever is there and then going back.

So I think it will naturally balance out, but yeah, I mean, I just sometimes just want to go out and fucking party. Yeah. It's fun. Definitely. We should take note of like a Billy String show and give him a bunch of acid. We should cut you. We should do it. We should do it. Some shows this summer. I would love to. Like we, I think we'll probably, I mean, I've been saying to Denise that if all continues to go well in crypto land, I'd love to buy a place in the city. Yeah. Like actually like a really nice apartment somewhere either downtown or like Central Park area. Just to have. Like even if we're not there, friends could be there like it's just like, yeah, we'll live there whenever you want.

Yeah. I'll buy you guys a place. We'll be standing by. No, but I mean like realistic. Keep writing those journal prompts. I am my friends like I really am and it's it's going well. Do you know what you want to tell people what your latest manifestation techniques since you were the powerful manifester? Yeah. I think everyone is too. Ultimately, all I've been doing, I've been talking about it on the podcast for the past couple of months is you just get a journal pen and paper. Other people do it with like voice notes and text, you know, tapping their phone. I find literally imprinting with pen and paper is very powerful for me.

Like it gets you in a different head space. You're doing something. You're connecting your mind to your body. And then you just write down whether it's a series of affirmations, you know, like I'm grateful. I'm wealthy. I'm happy. I'm blessed. I'm mixed with some other kind of like all my needs are met at every point in space and time. I'm making 12 grand a day. I literally will write down and I started out with I'm making at least $15,000 a month because that's what I needed to maintain my lifestyle and three kids will do that too. It'll do it to you. I mean, the truth is we can't afford them.

You know? Well, that's not true. Okay. So just before I will address that before I get back to you, one thing you will notice with kids is as soon as you have a child, money comes from places you're having to work your fucking ass out. No, no, not even just like that. It will come from everywhere in ways you couldn't expect and it is because inside of you, you know, you need more to provide. But every single child I've had, every single one, crypto goes like tons of money coming in. You know, YouTube was doing it with Gabriel for a while. I was making like five grand a month from that just from YouTube out of nowhere was the funniest chart I've ever seen.

There is something about this innate kind of like belief that you are providing for something else. No one, listen, I don't think people should be reckless and just like pop out a ton of babies if you don't have any money, but I guarantee like no one should use not having enough to worry about having a child. So I'll point out if you are having a child in the beginning, if you don't have a lot of money, we do live in a state and a country for the most part that really does provide for people. You won't pay for the pregnancy, won't pay for the care, you'll have health insurance, you know, you'll get tax credits, all of these things.

So money should never be a reason not to have a kid, but it's pretty anyway, back to the manifestation. Let's go back to that. So you write all this stuff down on a daily basis. You can do it more if you want and just all I can say is like watch what happens. I think it has to do with the consistency of doing it daily. It has to do with shifting your mind into a place where you're communicating with your subconscious. It helps you get in touch if for no other reason what, how you feel about stuff. If I write down, I'm going to be making $15,000 a month and I go, I don't know, like I can be aware of that because that's something that is absolutely preventing me from getting that in my life.

So the ability to... It's like a sacred mirror. It's like... Exactly. I felt this way the other day when I was doodling. I was like, this is just as valuable to me as pulling tarot. Absolutely. Just like seeing where this doodle goes, drawing stuff, seeing what I want, what I need, what I'm obsessed with, like it was all there. Exactly. When you're using language and writing in that way, your subconscious doesn't understand subtleties or comedy or irony. It's a literal delivering vessel. That is what it does. So if you speak to it in that way and are clear about what you want, you'll not only be able to gauge your reaction to it, but you can get better at understanding what it is you want.

That's one thing that I think a lot of people forget. I was going to talk about this on the next episode of Synchronicity, is the number one rule of like manifestation club is you need to have a goal. You need to have a desire. You need to be clear that you have a goal and desire. And everyone is like, well, of course I want all this stuff, but you might not be thinking it through. You might not actually being specific about what it is you desire or what it is that you're trying to achieve. Once you have that, you have an unlimited number of resources and possibilities to help you get there or to realize that you already have that.

It's just a matter of letting it play out. Fortunes to behold. Yeah. I told you. It is true. And we're perfect examples of this because when I was 16, apropos of nothing, especially connections and resources, I was like, I'm going to be a filmmaker. And then the only reason this train keeps rolling is because there's an idea behind the one we're making and there's an idea behind it. And it's like, if anyone ever asks us like, what we want to do, like I, we're very in touch with our desires. We want to make this movie wild magic. Boom. Someone's giving us money to make it, you know, then what do you want to do next?

We already know. Like boom. I also have no doubt. And I'm sure a lot of your friends feel like this that you guys are kind of destined for greatness and success. Not that you are. Yeah. Everyone knows. Truth is, is like that belief does culminate in the outward manifestations of what you guys believe that looks like and feels like that it's just that persistence and ability to have faith in that is the thing that allows it to kind of emanate and shine through. I think a lot of people get tripped up when the seeds they've planted haven't immediately shot up to like Jack and the Beanstalk levels within, you know, a certain timeframe.

But that's part of the game we play with ourselves. And it does work out as long as you believe it will work out, whatever it is in your life, it will work out and also acknowledge how it is working out. Like I think that's also a big place of like, not, you got to be grateful for what you got if you want the universe to give you anymore. And I would say you're the universe, right? Right. So, of course, that's how it works. Like what are you going to be your conception of what's possible if you can't even acknowledge what's already been done? Well, I do like that. That's where the DMT comes in.

Yeah. Exactly. I do like that. Noah believes great things for us. I appreciate that. No doubt. It's not because we believe great things. He invested in our last movie. We wouldn't even have that movie. The American sunset. Noah is the executive producer. Yeah. I am. Whether he was going to give us that money, whether we gave him the focus, you know, credit or not. But like, is that true? He's like, you guys need money to finish your thing? Here you go. He just texted it to us. I'm the executive producer. You're in Hollywood now, motherfucker. I made it. I made it. Yeah. Weinstein. Ready to be Weinstein.

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it is just like the ability to have the freedom to believe. Big things for yourself is what allows those things to happen. You look at a set broken. You look at any of these people who have like really created like a name for themselves or a career or whatever it is, they had to have that belief, which allows other people to believe in them, which allows circumstances to arise to create that being true. That's just how it goes. I've seen also too many talented people have an immense amount of like potential and creativity and talent, but they just don't have that thing where they think it's possible or they give it up at some point because it didn't happen.

And I just think that's like the worst tragedy they can befall a person's life. Really? I mean, there's other horrible things, of course, but like keeping that spark of creativity and belief, whatever, it doesn't even need to be creativity. You're just going to make a lot of money, whatever it is, but like knowing that that's really possible and not giving up on it is that's the ingredients for like the recipe to get what you want. And I think it's, yeah, we forget it often. Everyone that we know, any person we could mention that we admire, it started with them believing in themselves. Yeah. Because if they didn't have that, you can't expect anyone, like it starts to catch on like wildfire.

Yeah. If you have those fucking embers, it does fucking spread. That reminds me of Daniel Johnston in the movie. He just like believed so, a documentary about him. He believed so much about himself that he's going around hyping himself and he gets on MTV that day, which is like a nobody. Yeah. He was a nobody and he got on MTV. And if you listen to his music, you're like anyone could probably think that they could do it, even though it takes like a very creative mind, genius, a genius creative mind. But like him believe it. When people believe in themselves, other people want to believe in you too, because people want to believe in something worth believing in and you have to show them that that it's worth believing in.

Because you're the creator of it. That's the whole point. It's just reality as it is itself too. That's why this place exists. We believe it does. We are here to like kind of deal with whatever this is and learn about our belief. I think it's just a cumulative belief place. Why are we here? It's to have a good time. I think ultimately. That's why at least we all end up together because we're in the boat of we're here to have a good time. Yeah. Yeah. And like also like, I guess at the end of the day too, like you want to have the ability to kind of get better at creating harmonious realities, if that's something you're interested in.

I am thankful we don't exist constantly through present awareness where whatever we think instantly happens because like I said, it's too much. Like imagine like you're like, oh, I hope I don't get kicked in the balls. You know what I mean? Like you don't want like we complain about time and the restrictions and physical space and three dimensions. But they're fucking good. We probably want to get a little bit better at affirming our beliefs and our power before we experience other places. So I don't think it's a school per se, but we're getting like, think of it like a video game. When you start first learning the new controls, it takes you a little bit of time before you're proficient at it and can get kind of like good and play.

And that's what this is. You've assumed a first person games like we see it just like we do in like a call of duty or whatever, like that's what our reference point is. How do you move the player with your fucking thoughts? Yeah. That's how you move the player. There's no directional pad. You're not moving it like this, but you are willing yourself to do this. You're moving to do that. You have a motivation to do this. That's the game. And it also takes some of the seriousness out of it on some level because you don't feel that like your decisions will inevitably cascade into some horrible consequence because you did this thing or you're a bad person or you made that choice or you fucked up there, whatever it is.

Like, no, you're not condemned to those realities unless you start believing that you are and you better believe that your reality is whatever you're believing in the moment. So in some ways, you are exactly whatever your thoughts are in that moment. Like it's what you have is what you're thinking about. So it is kind of like an instant reality in some ways and to me, it goes back like that's why I'm optimistic. Yeah. It's a choice. But I would much rather believe and feel truly that because of that mechanism of how things work or I believe that they work, let me make it better. We can make it more harmonious.

We can experience increasing levels of joy and gratitude and love and peace in our lives. Like, what are you? Why wouldn't we do that? To me, like, that's just like a simple expression of what would make sense to do. But you have to first make that step of, like, kind of acknowledging or beginning to believe that that's how things work. Yeah. You appear through the veil. I think for a long time, like now I'm very much in, like, I love what you're saying about harmony, like praying for harmony, manifesting harmony because what's what you think is best for you might not even be the most harmonious outcome.

Often, yeah. And I think I was caught up for a long time on just thinking, I knew what was right. I knew my dad needed to stop drinking. I knew what you need to do. I know what I need to do. I know what I need. And now I'm like, I guess you just get humbled by life and you're like, I just hope everyone has a good time here, like, let's just all have, I hope everyone's doing what they need to do. I hope we're in harmony. I hope that we can do something and offer to this greater good of all. You were in a dichotomy. You were just in it. There's a good and there's a bad and there's a right and there's a wrong.

It's tough to also like you don't have to expend the energy of trying to change what is. And then paradoxically, what happens is you do change it because you stop putting attention to it, therefore reaffirming the thing you don't like. That's one of the things that like when you fight against something, all you're doing is perpetuating and creating the situation because you're acknowledging and believing that it exists. When you pull that away, it usually tends to evaporate. Well, that's why this concept of like someone as a toxic person has always sat badly with me because I'm like, your belief about them being toxic reinforces their toxicity.

And why would you want to leave in a world where a human being can be inherently toxic? They're scared. They have bad coping mechanisms. They're unkind. These can be true, but toxic is just feels so dismissive. Even all those other qualities you listed, one of the coolest things we can do is change our conceptions of other people internally and see if our experience of them, then 10. It does. It changes. Like even the war. I've seen this in my own life many a times like it. This is where the MDMA comes. It does. Well, the MDMA really does it is one of its greatest properties is to allow that openness and connectivity to emerge, which allows you to meet people on a plane where it's easier to work through whatever friction or tensions may be.

It may not resolve them. I mean, some people just fundamentally are at odds with each other energetically. Yeah. You can still meet in the kingdom of forgiveness and be like, let's not hang out. Yeah. Yeah. And like, that's the other thing we can do is like, you should be able to choose like what relationships you have like no one is for. I mean, listen, it's family. It's family. We all know how that can be. But like for the most part, your social interactions, that's always a choice. And if you have someone in your life who is difficult or causing you distress, change your conception of what they're doing, change your idea of what your relationship is and see what happens.

Also, it can't really help people in relationships like even with like intimate partners. Maybe you shouldn't be in that relationships. Maybe you will get the insight and clarity to be like, what am I actually doing this for? Am I happy? Is this something that I think is helpful for both of us or whoever is involved in it? And like, you want to be asking yourselves those questions regularly because otherwise you then just fall into a trap of potentially living a life you don't want to be living. And that's not, you know, I don't think people want that. Well, you made a big change. So Sean, you guys have both, Dore says, you know, that's a big, bold step to take.

Yes. It was also absolutely the right one. I think we would both agree. Yeah, exactly. For a multitude of reasons, and it's not easy, but you got to be able to like take responsibility for your life. And I just would never be the type of person who thinks you should stay bonded to something that is not good, right? Like that doesn't, it seems like a recipe for disaster. It seems like a recipe for a lot of repressed rage and anger and not even repressed. And I think you're doing best for your kids by doing what was best for you. And I think at the time, I think I've supported you throughout the divorce in my own way.

Of course. I mean, the only thing I told you was like, don't move to, I was like, don't move like three hours away from your kids. And then you call me up and you're like, actually, I'm not moving three hours. I'm moving a six-hour plane right away from my kids' cast. I was like, I'm never telling what to do in my life. I'm never telling no what to do anymore. I was like, I'm staying out of this. But I truly, at the time, it felt like so heartbreaking, like, oh, Noah's breaking up a family. And all I had to do was like, sit back for a second and be like, oh my God, 20 years from now, he's gonna have the best 20 years from, 20, probably 20 minutes from now.

But like, just in the river of time, Noah being a good or bad person is not based on him making a decision of not wanting to be with someone anymore. He's gonna have a great husband. He's gonna be a great ex-husband. He's going to be the person that he is, which is the best husband. The best ex-husband. I have a really good ex-husband. Yeah. I'm the worst. I literally haven't spoken a word to that woman. She shall not be named. And you call her that woman, so. In fairness, right, that's a sign. In fairness, I probably wouldn't have a ton of communication with Lexus if it wasn't for the kids. But that being said, we do have a very good relationship and it is very like positive for everyone involved.

So yeah, I mean like, she's also with your ex- roommate, you navigated that one interesting. Yeah. It was a whole weird dance that was good and very bad and now pretty very good like in a lot of ways. I have in the dream life of your lives, I mean, you're like the guy who is like your best friend, live in roommate who you guys were getting along swimmingly with. It got hard for a little bit, but he ends up dating your ex-wife and now a guy that you trust and like is now also like a parental figure to your kids who keep you were making him a parental figure in this house to your kids and now he's a parental figure with your wife, which is probably better for her and he's also your current wife's best friend.

I mean, it's like crazy. It's like a sitcom. It is like a sitcom. That's how things used to be when there was only like 10 people in town. Yeah. It is kind of a throwback back into like in a global society. Also like seeing we all move around a lot too. It's just it's weird, but I've noticed my life being essentially a soap opera or a sitcom or a drama and like I feel like sometimes I should write this shit down or recap what's going on because it's such a rich source material, but like it's it I just again, it's a testament that I do believe things will work out. That's my ultimate belief about everything.

Good, good, good. I really do believe that and you know, you could say, well, that's because, you know, you're a white cis male in a society that makes it easy for that. Not everyone has that experience. It might make it easier for you to be optimistic, but optimistic, but it doesn't mean that your optimism isn't a huge factor in that and I think ultimately, I would like to believe that even if I was not that and I did face greater societal restrictions or shit going on that it's not based on that it is ultimately based on what you believe to be possible. I'm not saying it's harder to believe that if your whole life, everything has been told and shown to be not easy, but this is a universal message.

It's not based for a segment of the population that has had easier life than other people and I luckily do get the benefit because of the podcast to see that be true. Well, that's why this accessible wisdom is helping a lot of people like there are the wisest people on TikTok now, you know, you know, teaching teaching their fellow humans about positive thinking and about gratitude and all this stuff of how do we get through these days because we're as a society pretty anxious messes, you know, it it does seem to be like that. I wonder how much we perpetuate that by kind of witnessing it and believing it to be true because again, it's just based on what we're perceiving on any given day or moment in time.

And there's so much out there now that it's hard to say it is any one way or predominantly this way like TikTok is a great example. My experience of TikTok is it's just a weird, wild place. Someone else may use it for a completely different reason, for recipes or for dance videos or whatever it is. So we do have this ability to kind of shape what we tune into and prioritize. You know, and not get lost in that and get in a filter bubble to the exclusion of anything else. I do try to keep up with like current events and shit just because like I do want a common platform to understand what's going on in the world.

So what's going on with the dolphins is what we really need to know. Let's switch over. I got a P. Okay. Let's do part two. Pause. I think this was very eight. I'm going to claim it. Okay. Okay. Can we got to do? Well, it doesn't matter if they're not connected. Yeah. Okay, cool. We'll link to them. Thanks for being under eight. Well, like you were either on very eight or we were on your podcast. We're doing two episodes. So this is part one. Yeah. We'll figure it out. We're dolphins fans. That is good. It's ours. I thought it was more Noah's, but we'll discuss. We'll be right back. It's going to be discussed.

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