Looking Within with Juha Riverhill

[music] This is Synchronicity. This is Synchronicity. This is Synchronicity. This is Synchronicity. This is Synchronicity. This is Synchronicity. [music] [music] [music] Welcome to Synchronicity. My guest this week is Yuhah River Hill. I said that weird. Yuhah River Hill, who is a teacher. Kind of spiritual consultant who is based in Finland of all places. What's weird about this is I actually got a few requests from people in Finland to be on the podcast over the past month and a half of which Yuhah was the first. And a fair number of people reach out to be on the podcast. And, you know, I have to determine whether it's just kind of like a blanket blast out that they're sending to a million podcasters or it's genuinely heartfelt.

And they like to show and they think it would be a good conversation. And Yuhah really struck me as someone who was very insightful and thoughtful. And so I had him on and it was a really, really great conversation. As you can tell by the length of this, we had a lot of fun talking. He has some very interesting stories. And, you know, we touched on something in this that I think is very important. Which is there are a lot of prominent spiritual teachers and grooves and guides and people with all the credentials and marketing and glossed over beautiful positioning and marketing and they got their pitch.

And that's great for those people, especially if they're helping others. There's nothing wrong with that. But as we've spoken about on this podcast plenty of times, I think I can get a little murky and a little tricky when that is just the main focus of being a spiritual teacher. When capitalism, you know, makes too many inroads into an authentic spiritual path, it can be limiting, if not detrimental. So it was cool about Yuhah. He says this himself. He's like in the underground. He's not a prominent, well-known teacher. But he's doing his thing in his country and in Europe. And it's just great to know that people are like him or out there doing this type of stuff.

So yeah, it was just a really good conversation. Apologies for getting this one out a little late if you're listening in real time. As this is released, it's the Thanksgiving holiday. Families in town. Family obligations. We're recording this in the garage. So if there's a bit of an echo to me in my freezing cold garage, like eight degrees here in New York today. But yeah, Thanksgiving is an interesting holiday because I think a lot of people are like, "Listen, it's a shit holiday." It basically is memorializing and commemorating a very dark period in American history. And that's true. It is. That said, it also is a holiday that has an emphasis on being thankful and expressing gratitude, which is just probably the only spiritual hack that I know absolutely works.

If you can tune into the kind of the gratitude frequency, your life will start to go in the direction that is beneficial for you and those around you. I mean, it's hard to maintain and Uha actually gives a really good practice later on in this episode about how to deal with people who you just can't forgive. You just kind of can't let go. I know I have my people. I'm sure you do too. And it gives a very simple practice later in the episode. So stay tuned for that. But yeah, Thanksgiving, you know, don't get too down on it because of the horrible history of this country. You know, try to take the good parts of it and the focus on gratitude and make that a bigger part of your life.

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Big props to Massachusetts for legalizing weed. Granted, it's not done in the best way possible. A lot of the rich people are just going to profit off it, not everyone else. But I think the more kind of East Coast legalization we have, the better it's going to be for everyone. I know there's a huge relationship with this podcast in California. You guys forget that in a lot of parts of the country weed is still like super duper illegal. It seems like it shouldn't be. It's even more illegal if you're a minority. If you're an ethnic minority, you're pretty much like you have a good chance if you're going around smoking weed, you're going to get busted.

White people, it's kind of de facto legal in certain instances, but it's not. So really just wanted to say big thanks to Massachusetts for taking a lead on that. Hopefully, dumb, dumb Cuomo gets the idea in New York and realizes that we should have kind of fair and open legal cannabis in this state and hopefully we do it in the right way. So that's it. We're getting to the episode, getting this episode out a little bit late, but it's not so bad without further ado. Here it is. You are River Hill. Hello. How are you doing? I'm doing good. How are you? I'm doing really well. Excellent. I'm excited to do this today.

Yeah, me too. I'm ready to get started whenever you are. Are you ready? I'm ready. Cool. We don't have any snow. It's funny. So, you know, we connected last month or a few weeks ago and spoke briefly about a few different things, but I first of all, thank you for coming on and doing this. I really appreciate your time. I'm really grateful that you got me there and I'm really excited and happy to be here. Awesome. So, I thought we could start with kind of your, your, what I'll call an origin story, kind of how you got started on the path of kind of spiritual, you know, work and inner work and all the things that you're doing now.

Could you give kind of an overview of how that started for you and it can be as long or as short as you want. There's no, there's no time constraints. Okay. Well, I started, I started with, as, as I was a child, I was really sensitive and everything was really different for me. I think from the other people around me. I had really sort of exciting, exciting childhood. My, my parents argued a lot and I was really on the edge all the time. And then, of course, I had some spiritual, I think there are spiritual events happen to me when I was a child. I went to sleep. I went to bed. And right when I fell asleep, I felt some energies. I felt some really scary stuff. As you described it, there were some entities trying to enter to me or something like that.

I felt such things and incidents happening to me. And I could have explained them. How old were you about? I don't know. They happened between when I was now, you know, in a comprehensive school in lower grades, like I was something like between eight and 12. Gotcha. Gotcha. And that during that time, I was really scared and everything started for me to, to scaring. To fear. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. So that's how it started. And when I felt these entities coming to me, it was really shocking. And I would not speak to no one. Yeah. I didn't speak to my parents. I was too scared. And well, I wanted to block it away. I didn't want to go into it. And then when I started really understand more life, then those things vanished.

I didn't feel them anymore. And of course, the life school started and I went to upper grades. I was between 13 and 15. Of course, he started to think about girls and stuff. Yeah. Think about entities anymore. Yeah. But during all that time, I really felt all the energies. I felt as I think you called that that's been empathetic. Yeah. Yeah. I felt everything. It was really sometimes really hard for me. That's my early idea. So when I'm 15, I went to churches camp where everybody use what it goes. When I'm 15, you go to church camp and you get your confirmation. Yeah. And in that camp, there was one week or two weeks. I don't remember anymore. But there I had a connection with divine.

And it was the first time. And I think that is something that launched my, launched my seeking of tools. And that is painting what happened there. And I spoke with you would say God, you would say anything. But I really felt the higher energy. Which I can say was love, unconditional. Yeah. And then after that. And before that, even I was talking with my uncle many times for spiritual things. And he had been in some spiritual events here in Finland. And speaking to my first teacher that is some finished guy. He was living here nearby me. And age of 12, I was there first time with my uncle. I begged him to take me with him.

He was really exciting person and open minded. And he was really nice to me. And he started to speak with slalism and spiritual things. My uncle spoke me and this person. He was called Esko in Finnish. His first name was Esko. And he became really famous spiritual teacher in Finland. He started to, and his teachings started to interest in me. He was talking about energies and entities from nature, you know, the nature spirits and all that. I feel really excited. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's interesting too, because that's stuff a lot of people forget or just don't think about it. But that is just kind of where we've evolved from culturally those nature spirits and just kind of, you know, things that were taken just as part of life in what we call native or pejoratively primitive cultures. Like, that was just a part of their lives and really served an important function.

But then, you know, when certain groups of people came in, they said, "Oh, this is all kid stuff. This doesn't mean anything. We're not going to do this anymore." And they just lop it all off. So, yeah, I think that's important to acknowledge there. But yeah, not to cut you off. Continue. Yeah, and those nature spirits are really interesting. They have really light and tender energy, and they're really something that people forgot after Atlantis. And I think, and I know that after Atlantis and during all the time of Atlantis, people started to get distant from nature. And then they forgot all the elves and fairies and magical things.

Exactly. And that's something that is part of the life here in that. And we have forgotten that totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So true. Yeah. And then, he started to teach me this esco, Yalakana. He was called. He started to teach me in his, of course, I went to his speech. He gave speech. He's here in my hometown because he lived here. So I had a chance to go and see him, and every week he had his speech in the library there in the town center. I went to listen to him. Also, my two brothers joined me. Oh, nice. Yes. So it was nice time, and everything was still innocent. You know, I was just seeking for the truth.

And during the years, I started to read his things more. And actually, that was the first things that I learned right away. Right. When I read something from his books, I understood them really easily. But when I was thinking about school stuff. Yeah. I don't know how did I go through the school time. That was not interesting at all. Yeah. Yeah. Not a unique experience for people not to be interested in the stuff they teach in schools. A universal thing, it seems. So, especially afterwards, I can say that, of course, it's really obvious because they didn't teach the things I was here. I was here about to teach to others. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought only maths and biological things. Yeah. Yeah. And then, slowly, I started to get hang of everything in a life in all perspectives. I think I became at the same time that I grew up as a person. I grew up as a spiritual being. Yeah. Yeah. And that is quite rare these days, even that usually people wake up when they're over 30 or 40 years old. Yes. Well, that might be changing a little bit. I've noticed with younger people these days. But yeah, it definitely seems like a lot of people start to do, you know, hardcore inner work later in life when life gets more confusing rather than earlier on when there's kind of like a cure at natural curiosity and innocence.

And yeah, it's probably a mixture of just people's tendencies and also a cultural reinforcement type of thing, just where, you know, people are not encouraged to look at things inside, as opposed to outside. So yeah, totally. Exactly. Exactly. And then, as everybody, I had my, my yoles, you know, my becoming adults, but then I really felt that I never grew up too early. And even when I was 30, I think I wasn't adult enough. Yeah, I hear you wait. I'm still growing up and I'm 35. So I hear you. So you know what I mean. Yeah. But anyway, I was about 21. I was 1998. I was really frustrated to my life.

From childhood to when I was about 20, I was all gone bullied. And I was so different from anybody around me. And it was really hard to try to deal with my emotions and what I had inside. And in that age, I think it was 1998 or 1997. I was about to jump. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow. That was something that I felt my low point. Yeah. Yeah. And I felt that I was falling into dwell. What is it called? Where you take water? Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. And you go in there, I was, I was sinking. I felt like I was sinking into black teeth. I felt that now, if I don't do anything to myself, I'm fucked.

Yeah. And then I felt the bottom of it. I went down there, deep down. Yeah. And then I said to myself, now I'm in the deepest point where I can be. Now I don't come up. There's only one direction to go at this point. Yes, it was really, and I was really angry to myself from all that. And I shouted. I was alone at home and I was shouting. And I was really in a point that I would have needed help. But then I said to myself, I will finish this life. I don't want this anymore. And my guides, they told me that, well, if you give up now, you have. Are you a tough guy or are you a soft guy? And that helped me. I said to myself, okay, if I give up now, I'm the soft guy. And luckily, I'm here to tell you the story.

Yeah, man, that's awesome. That's really awesome. And here, I mean, it's unfortunate that sometimes we have to go to such deep lows and despair and depression and just kind of self-loathing and just it can be externally projected to kind of recognize, but like you touch that metaphor is really, really apt because when you hit the bottom and you kind of know this is the bottom, like, that's it. I mean, you can lay at the bottom forever or just, you know, say this is where I'm getting off this ride, but the recognition that like, you know what, there's, I can actually take control of this situation.

So when you mentioned guides, is this something that you internally kind of communicate with? Do they have distinct kind of personas for you, or is it just kind of like a knowing presence or voice in your head? Well, of course, I read a lot of spiritual books between 16 or 15 and between 15 and 25, I read a lot. And I tried it to seek for my truth. And actually, I ended up, I started from occultists, occultists, like that and spiritual books. And then I spiritualism and stuff. And then, then I went on, I wanted to know more. I wanted to know something more specific. Those books only show me that there's a spiritual world.

Yes, yes. That's the only thing I got from them. Of course, I read one day in a games book, who was really intellectual. He was telling about that we are not the whole planet and all the pyramids and stuff has been built by another entities, not humans and share. That was something really only intellectual. And I got something up, but not much. And then, of course, I started to do this with Esquialka and so many things. Finally, when I got back from England, I think I was here. I went to England and Ireland and Sweden. I worked in three countries before I came back to England. In 1998, I flew to London and trying to find my way to go abroad. Then after I came back, I visited Esquialka in his home. And he said to me that, "Oh, this kind of a boy, we need to have to our thing and we want you to work with us."

And then I said, "Okay, I can't." So he called to his person who was in a practical way of what is it now called? Society. He has a society in England. So this woman called me from the society that, "Okay, look, Esquialka told me that we need to take you to work with us." I said, "Okay, what can I do?" She says to start a group here in my hometown, Uvascular. So I started, yes, two and a half years I was in charge of that spiritual group that we were concentrating on healing people. We had methods that Esquialka used. And of course, we started and everything went really well. We always wanted to concentrate on high energies.

And all the members of the group, they were really excited to help everybody. And they brought names that persons that had cancers and diseases. And they brought his names to us and we healed. And then next week or two weeks afterwards, we got information that this person has been healed. So how many people was that? How often and how many people? I think we were meeting twice a month or something. And then we had around 12 people in our group more or less every week. And we were really excited and for a while it worked for me, but I wanted more. I seeked for more. Because we were mostly concentrating on cleaning spiritual energies and then helping people. I wanted more. I wanted to be enlightened and I wanted to be in some other energies.

I didn't want to deal with that low energy. Sure, sure. And I was at that time I was really scared. Fear was my lesson. So, like it is for so many people. So I met many dark and really negative entities in that time. And then there is three entities that are two of them are famous from Bible. One is Satan. One is Lucifer. And third is Ahriman. And I was really scared about those three. And what was it like when you were encountering these, like give me kind of like a breakdown if you were to encounter any of those entities? Well, do you mean that how do I fill them all? Yeah, like how do you like you're coming across an energy that you are identifying as one of those three. What does this process look feel and kind of what's it like going, you know, what is it like for you?

Well, like I said from early ages, I've been empathic and I've been feeling energies and during all this time, maybe 15 years, I had a chance to exam the energies and I knew from the energy what entity or energy was that. I was there was like a light. There's like a library of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I could feeling when you get that entity or something is negative. I always feel it. I sometimes feel it. Your head, yeah, yeah. So it's like, yeah, so it's kind of like a felt. I know what you're talking about. And it's I think it's sometimes hard for people to understand who haven't had the experiences, but the way I'd kind of liken it is like a smell, but like a feeling that's a smell. So like if you have a smell like that you can identify, but you don't have the name for it.

But you know, oh, and later you've, oh, it's basil. Of course, I know the smell of basil. It smells like basil. But if you didn't have the name for basil, whenever you smell that you go, oh, there is that thing. So what we're talking about is a very distinct impression of something that reliably you have enough experience with that you can then say, Oh, well, this is what that is. And there are also on top of that cultural names that we've given certain types of energy energies over, you know, millennia that we say, OK, well, this is that so I bring this up because, you know, I think some people when they hear it's not a lot on this podcast, maybe thinking, Oh, he's beaten Satan and are thinking you're saying, Oh, well, some big devil came into your room.

You're seeing it with a big red tail and it's saying, Hey, do this, do that. Whereas it's actually really just like, Oh, well, this is a very negative energy. I mean, I'm sure people have felt this even just regular non really empathic people. You walk into a party or you walk into someone's house and you just get a weird feeling like that's that's an energy you're picking up on. It may not be a specific named energy, but we're all kind of inputting this stuff. That's why I ask these questions. Just just to, you know, compare and contrast what people, your specific experiences like with this stuff. So yeah.

Oh, yes. And I totally agree. And this stuff is not really common. And some people feel this energies. They're really empathic to other people's energies and feelings stuff. And with this, my first teacher, Escor, he was really keen into this energy and he was really keen to start a world. Yeah. And that's why they want to continue like that. But in the end, all these energies that I feel, I feel them in the whole body these days. So my sensitivity have really rise up. Yeah. It's really not really nice sometimes because you're in the middle of New York or some totally. You feel like you're coming into some devil's hole or whatever you can feel the energy that everything is not right.

Yeah. It's interesting to mention that when I had a big kind of open awareness, and I think there is something really important to be said about when you kind of blast open your mind and your heart. You know, it sounds like it's all going to be great all of the time because your feel, but there's a lot of things out there that if you feel and kind of really engage with are not pleasant. They're not really a fun, comforting thing at times. It doesn't mean they're necessarily bad per se, but I remember when I was in Boston, I was in college, when I had a very big awakening to the point where I was just kind of like totally open for an extra three months, walking around the city of Boston. And, you know, some of it was very, very pleasant. There's a lot of young people there, you know, relative to other cities, but there's also extreme poverty.

There's angry people. And it was, it really was depending on kind of what you tuned into and felt. It could be very disturbing. So I'm glad that you mentioned that it's just not like, you know, some, some superpower that's fun all of the time. It really does require kind of, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tremendous amount of kind of patience and wherewithal in terms of how you modulate and experience this stuff. So yeah. Yeah. Continue though. Yeah. Okay. So it's like everybody thinks that this is like a joyride after you've been in ETH or you've been having this enlightenment or whatever. Yeah. You want to call it. Yeah. Yeah. If you, if many people would know what kind of energies I've been through, I've been through so much.

I can say there are layers, layers of energy or different dimensions that, of course, we all need to go through. If we are going to be, if we want to be going forward in our spiritual life, we need to all the time rise our energy. Yes. Absolutely. Some people don't understand that. And one thing is that there's a common error to many that are among the spiritual areas that they don't want to clean their energies. They don't just read spiritual books. Yeah. But they don't want their body and their energy levels to rise. This is really important, what you're saying here. This is something that I think a lot of people kind of get stuck in neutral when they, you've brought us up to the kind of like the midway point of what I would call like a spiritual kind of ascension or just getting in touch with stuff. The first point is, is like, you know, you're going to your first teacher, you're reading all these books, you're recognizing they're, they're intellectually fascinating.

And a lot of people I know kind of get stuck in this intellectual kind of turning things over in your mind. Oh, well, this person says this, but how does that line up with this? Then I think people get to a point where they kind of recognize that, you know, everyone's sort of talking about the same thing. So that's really interesting that all these distinct philosophies, religions, teachers are talking about this thing. But then what can happen is people just want to stay in that realm of recognizing, oh, well, this is that, this is that, let me look at other ways I can decorate it or let me see what another take on it is.

And it really is kind of going in circles a lot of the time, whereas, you know, the harder work, I think at that point where a lot of people jump off because they want this to be like a pleasant joyride is this is where the real work, I think, actually starts and where a lot of us find ourselves, which is where you look inside at all the not so great stuff, the things that you've done wrong. You know, if you have the ability to look back in past karma's and things like that, but really start doing like what I would call the not fun work of spirituality. This is where a lot of people feel like they don't want to kind of push that.

And so they go to their little comfortable, you know, they'll go to their retreats or they'll go to their spas or they'll go to their yoga things. And, you know, it's one thing to talk about high vibes and high vibrations. And this is why I'm really happy to speak to you about this because it seems that you know when you're talking about higher vibrations and frequencies and energies, it's not like higher in the sense like all good all the time. It's just they're finer, they're more intense, which means that there's polarity in them too. There's the opposite, the darkness that comes along with those and trying to kind of maintain that is a challenge of a lifetime for sure.

So I'm just, you know, I'm just bouncing off what you're saying here because I'm excited to hear you talk about this. So yeah, yeah. Excellent. But anyway, feeling all these energies through my whole, my life, I've been having this different meeting, different entities meeting different level of spiritual beings and knowing all that stuff. So feel that for me, along with capillary that I can use to help people to understand what's really going on here because special days that people don't want to fix their energy and keep up their own high energy. That is something that stops, that's one common plot for this spiritual development. And I think that is a main error that many people does. I was in that point later on, I was about 35 and I had really another initiation going on.

And I was really in a point that I have to think that do I want to fix my energies and go back to this that I want to deal with this old energies. Yeah. And I said to myself, of course I want to go, I know that is the way to clean in my cleansing path to cleaning clean my energy. And that is clean cleansing my energies. And that is something that is really important. So what does that look like for you when you're going and saying you're going to clear your energies? Like what does that practically look like for you on a daily basis when you made that decision, which I think is important because I don't think people even think about this most of the time, but you're the thoughtful person. So what when you're making that decision, you're saying, all right, I can neither just be self-defeating, you know, just constantly be getting in my way, which has a lot of how a lot of people feel and a lot of aspects of life, or I'm making the decision that I'm cleansing these energies.

So what does that look like for you? Well, it looks like for me that you need to work for it and it might take some tens of minutes or one hour from your day that you really check out where you're going. And when you're walking around, you're getting some kind of a dirt from others, you would taste dirt. I don't know the word. I've forgotten what is that now. When you are getting sweat, when you go and have a choking, you are going choking around the park, you get sweat. You've got all the dirt coming out from your skin, from your body. It's a similar thing that when you go out, you will meet the other people's energies. And of course, you'll be being contact with all those energies, the feelings and all that stuff.

And if you're a static body, that is like a Hoover, if you don't do anything. So during the days and weeks and months and years, the aesthetic body will grow up, and then you're going to control your feelings anymore. And when the aesthetic body is full of how you say it, full of gaka. Yeah, full and not so great stuff that you want to kind of clean off. Exactly. And you'll be tumbling on you some past people, some diseased people. Their souls are tumbling on you, because your light will be bright. You'll be walking. If you're a spiritual person, your light is more brighter. So they will come into you and think that that's the light. Are you supposed to be going? And that's the common thing that all these souls are cuttering around in the place where the light appears to some place, like train or bus or some public place, they will come to you.

It's interesting when you say this, because it makes me think that it's kind of like a double cleaning process. What we do when we're kind of tuning in to higher frequencies or being more open-hearted and open-minded is we're basically polishing our mirror. This is a phrase that Rambas uses, which is allowing us to be a reflection of this kind of universal light, which we are too. It's not necessarily some external thing. But when you polish your mirror so it's somewhat visible, it's not kicked on with all this muck that everyone else is walking with. You're attracting force, right? You're like a seemingly the source of this light where you're really just reflecting it back at someone. And so then more kind of people and entities and energies come on and you have to kind of clean it again.

It's a very interesting way you're putting this and it makes a lot of sense. A lot of sense. That's good. Well, that's my life. I think that the main thing that I ended up to, Esquialdon's teachings, he really got into them, but he got too dualistic. He was thinking everything, pluralistic, and I didn't want that. And nowadays, when I teach these people these things, I'm always saying that, be careful, because it's only thin line when you're cleaning these energies that you're going over the board and you're saying that you're fighting against this. Right. Right. That's important too, that you're not necessarily wanting to fight and push and make it an usverse them thing, which is really just a sign that your ego is getting involved, right? I mean, because it needs another function.

And so that is somewhat it's a spiritual ego. Yes, yes. And when you go to that board, then you get more resistance. Yeah, harder entities trying to kick you over and it's an endless story. So, with these three entities, I mentioned, one day test, I was working in the warehouse was driving with that kind of electric mobile, what is it called? Some kind of a car, I'm driving around the house. Suddenly, those three really dark entities, like I did think back then, they appeared to me. And I started shouting my mind that Michael come here, you know, and Michael and I started to do some protectings and things like that. And then my guides tell me that look, look again, don't be afraid, look.

And I looked up and all those three entities turn up into different colors, the different dimension. There was gold, red and silver. And now these low entities, they were black, red and gray. And so suddenly, at that point, I got information coming through me, and I noticed what kind of a big headed egoist I have been. What in the world I've been thinking about? Yeah, three, three entities, the same information came to me right away. And I understood that those are the main energies. We need to be here as a person. Those are three main energies. There's three energies, and one is you can call them the Holy Spirit, Father and the Son. You can call them pure for refuge.

You can call them gratitude and bitterness. You can call the third one, pure, you know, the hatred or joy. So nowadays, I'm teaching people how to deal with those three energies and they're in our body. In my body, in your body, everybody's body. And they are among the chakras, chakras as well. The three lower chakras tell you, you'll be dealing with fear and refuge. Yes. That's the lesson that is in our personal life. In our world life, we are living here. The other one, the bitterness and great thankfulness that's here in a hard chakra, around a hard area. And then these upper chakras that are in the head and throat, they are dealing with hatred and joy.

So these energies are teaching people how to go through this main three energies, and those three energies are also our initiations. I like this because a recurring theme over the past, well, for a long time, but especially in this podcast for the past few months has been this idea of embracing shadow work and dealing with kind of the alchemy that takes place from recognizing that these are two sides of the same coin, that these polarities of course, the duality exists. No one is saying that there aren't opposites in this world. That's very clear, but that they are essentially the same thing and trying to wreck it.

I mean, this is also something that you don't have to be particularly spiritually minded. I know people listening probably are, but if you're not like people know, like sometimes you have a really shitty thing happen to you. And because of that, you learn something or change you in a way that set you up for a really positive experience later. It's the same thing. If the seed of it was a negative quote unquote thing that led to something positive. So I like that this kind of has this, this, I don't want to call it a formula, but this idea of the negative being embedded in the positive and vice versa and not looking at, oh, I only want to feel good all of the time.

Yes, we want to feel comfortable. We want to feel at peace. That should be a natural striving. But to kind of push away things that are uncomfortable leads to so much more pain and suffering than, of course, we ever want. And it's really important to acknowledge this because I do find that outside of the initial hook, this is just kind of a meta commentary on spiritual teachers and I really just really appreciate and I'm grateful for your sharing your story and kind of your perspective on this. But I feel like a lot of times spiritual teachers, whether prominent, you know, less prominent, famous, not famous, negative experiences are often used as kind of a hook, you know, they'll lure you and are you unhappy or you unsatisfied or you're not good.

And that's kind of where it ends, you know, they'll get you in, then they'll tell give you the magic pill of what's going to make you better. Oh, just this style of meditation this many times, kind of like a prescribing something. Whereas that's not what a spiritual practice is. And not just saying that and giving a kind of lip service, but also saying like, all right, this is going to be uncomfortable probably for a very long time potentially the rest of your life. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I mean, it's going to be something that you're going to have to face regularly if you want to do what you're referring to as kind of a spiritual cleansing that's depending on how much dirt and muck you've accumulated over this life or any other lives.

It could be a fair amount of work. And I think it's important to really focus on that because we live in a world and an age where we want everything now. We want the page on our website to load immediately. We want people to be able to sign up for our thing or buy our stuff or download our podcast or listen to this, watch that, and that really isn't how a lot of stuff works in the world. What we are living in in this planet took millions and billions of years to manifest and make into a reality. So we have to kind of be aware that there aren't necessarily quick fixes for all of our spiritual problems.

But we can use very clear tools and kind of methods, some of which you're providing here that can alter our perspective in a way that is really, really helpful for just our day to day lives without relying on some quick fix. So I'm glad you're touching on kind of the duality and kind of embeddedness of everything. That's very cool. Oh, it's really cool. And it's really cool that I got a chance to come and speak about this, just something that everybody calls really to in their life, but they don't really really know where to start from. As you start from cleaning to past, to cleaning the cell memory and cleaning the memory that brings up all this sorrow and suffering and whatever it will bring.

But one thing is that when you are going through this process, you need to also think that you need to be in love. And without, as we spoke earlier, you think the podcast, and you said it nicely that we need to think about rising our energies all the time. And without that, those old things and all this cell memories won't open, and the hard memories that won't be opening. Many of the people, they don't know how to deal with that, how to clean yourself up so much that you're, it's like I called this, it was the word, I would check it out. And that's how I call it as well. So, if we don't have the high energies all the time, then it won't happen. And we need proper practice for that.

So, what would you... What would be a practice? I mean, I'll cop to, there are still a couple of situations from my past that I have not fully healed from. I have a better and more functional approach towards dealing with my feelings and just kind of be, you know, okay, it is what it is type approach. But I recognize that at various times I can feel kind of like the karmic pull of snapping back into, you know, hurt, upset, anger, all of these things. What are some of the things you do personally or advise people to do to kind of deal with that, which I'm sure is a very common problem people. It's a very important question and I'm glad that you asked. And in my consultations when a person calls, the most common question for me is from a person who is really in the beginning is asking me why I'm in a block, why I'm feeling that I'm not advancing in my spiritual path and what's going on.

I feel really awkward and I'm laying on the steel water and the water doesn't move. So first thing I said, okay, let's look. There are a few things, karma. Yes, of course. That is that you felt as well in your experience that you know that you have karma but you don't know how to deal with it. Well, I don't know how to deal with it. I've been learning that already during the years. And I know how to deal with it. And many people here in Finland, they have like CS or psychic readers or whatever they are. And they think it's so easy to find karma and they take the person they see from Australia's level. You don't have karma. Then they come to my consultation and one of the first things we started that we checked out about the person's karma and there is still karma left.

And karma is just one of those obstacles we need to face. And one thing why is it because if you have karma, you will be coming too far to many problems. It brings you problems. Not only with that person or entity you have in common with, but also all the problems from your people around you and working mates and people around you, they'll bring you problems. Right. It's like an attracting force for that type of energy. Of course, yes it is. And it's a force. It's in circle. And so it's going like a spinning tool. That is a problem. And then that is something I deal first. Obviously, it's one of the biggest obstacles there. But then when we have find out karma, I had 10 different karma when I came in.

And people usually think karma is one big ballad or something. It isn't. And many of the karma books and guide books say that karma is the lesson. That is wrong. People don't understand that karma is not the lesson itself. Karma is only unforgiveness between two persons or two entities that are saying to each other that I want to give you. Yeah. That is some kind of bond that comes between two persons and only because of this unforgiveness. How do you rectify that if there is no real ability to do that? Right. Let's say the person is deceased or let's say that you just aren't going to communicate with them because it's unhealthy.

How does one go through the process of kind of rectifying that idea? Because I mean, as you're saying that that's exactly what my karma cannot feels like. And there's obviously several different ones. But one of the ones that's present is it really is. It's a feeling of kind of bitterness and just there's this unforgiven thing. And quite frankly, it feels like it in this lifetime probably won't be any sense of verbal or overt forgiveness taking place. So what do you do in that situation? Well, good question. That is quite easy. If you say only one sentence, how to do it is that with your heart, you connect to your karmic friends.

I love you as you are. And I know that you love me as I am. And I forgive you. And I ask for your forgiveness. And then you need to probably do that for weeks. Yeah, really tune into it. Yeah, you need to really focus on that. And some people are not able to do that at first. But when they locally may be saying it allowed, they are practicing it. It gets easier. And then finally, you can do it in your heart. That takes about two or three weeks. Depends on how many percent you have left. Yeah. Yeah. Certain entity or person. And when you do, while you do that, it's all the time like you have some words made.

And you're using this tool. I don't know what it's called. You are doing like this. And the wood is going down. No, no, not the saw. You have this sharp blade that is taking slices of wood. Like an axe. No, no, no, you have, you use it to hands and you, you are narrowing the wood. If you have a... Oh, I know what you're talking about. I don't know the word for it. Yeah. I don't even know the word. Anyway, there's a word for that. But anyway, it's like you are taking slice by slice, slice by slice off from that comma and the percent will go down. And I measure it like this, that there's, with one person in one life, there's 100% when you start it.

So somebody says that I want to give you, you did something uncomfortable for me. So then when these people meet, the comma will drop down to 80%. And then it will come active. Before that, it's not active. All right. And then in a life by life, you start to do the same thing, you do slices off from it by just being together. And it's really common that you end up with a comic friend, you end up being married with all how many people you have a comma with them. So that will be cleaning. You'll be polishing all the time. Yes, yes, yes, that's the term that makes a lot of sense here. So, I mean, first of all, thank you for that. Really.

It's funny because when you say these things, this is kind of a hard thought to communicate. But two people can say the exact same thing, same words, same tone, same everything. But one can really connect with a person and be like, "Oh my God, there's tremendous amounts of wisdom." And one can feel like just a repetition of something that they read somewhere or learn from someone. And I do want to say this in the conversation. I really get the sense that this stuff resonates. I've had several times just in speaking with you where I'm thinking about a situation slightly differently than someone has said this stuff to me a million times.

But the idea of really, and I like this idea really of the repetition of that idea of forgiving someone in your heart space because sometimes I've had this, I'm sure you've had this too. Sometimes the first try, that's it. You feel it. You really connected. You're really in touch with some higher energy or just whatever it is. And then sometimes you'll do it 50, 100 times. And it's just like you're repeating something that's nothing. It's just like, "Ah, it's not." And then one time it clicks. And I think that's really important because I think a lot of people, whether it's either trying to get in touch with energies or trying to forgive someone or trying to move past a creative block or any type of block, try something maybe one or two times.

And they're like, "Ah, it didn't work. That's bullshit." And it's like the repetition. And it's a simple thing too. But the repetition of that really can give you a reference point and solidify the practice of doing it. So I just love that you're dropping some serious wisdom here without any real frills. This is just kind of how this is practical stuff that people can do. What are some of the experiences you mentioned a few of them, but what kind of solidified in your mind your ability to help other people with some of the wisdom and kind of experiences you've had? What was something that crystallized it for you? Were you like, "You know what? This is where I think that I can actually impart things that have really helped me and other people.

I'm going to make this step and kind of put myself out there and work with other people." So you mean that you want me to say some experience I've had with my customers or with myself? Really yourself. I know it's kind of like a pin-down question. It doesn't have to be a specific experience, but kind of the transitional moment when you're like, "You know what? This is something where I really think that this is what I'm supposed to be doing. This is something I feel, you know, yeah." I have one example, yes. That is that I was working in that warehouse. It was a little company. I often say that it's good to humor, I think, when I say, "Fill out in my courses and my lectures that they paid my enlightenment."

So it was like a high school for me. But anyway, I was working in that warehouse and in that place there was a lot of people that had problems. It was like a society inside of a society, so-called. And every day, I was dealing with people that are angry, bitter, or afraid. You know, that's what kind of incidents and happenings that will bring among the working people. Right. You've been working on, but you've been working in some store or working with a group. And there's around 100 people working in that warehouse that's near here where I live. Every day, maybe six months to two years that I was working there, every day I faced people who wanted to come, wanted to fight with me.

For example, we had arguments, we had several cases that it was really hard. Those energies were really hard. And I got, you know, crossing with somebody and we didn't like to each other. And then, in that point, I was really going through my enlightenment process and going to enlightenment. And second teacher in my life was Yukka Hironsala. He was really something else. He taught everything in oneness, not duality. Yeah, duality. And then from this one's point and being one with everybody, being connected to everybody, loving everybody that really changed my life, that changed my direction as a spiritual person.

And then every day I faced these people that wanted to fight with me. And maybe I went into my ego went into that few times. But then I really understood that I need to start to look from their perspective. Why are they behaving like that towards me? And I really, because of course I had this sense sense that I can feel the people's energies and I went to that energy and I looked behind their life. And I said to myself that now I want to look at how are you feeling? Why are you feeling like that? Why are you a picture to me and why you have this feeling towards me? And I noticed many things behind the scenes that, look, his father was like that. Okay, his mother, her mother was like that. I understand now why he's behaving like that.

Then I said from my heart that I forgive you and I understand him. And that is something everybody should do first, that look why is somebody behaving like that, understanding the other people's emotions and feelings. And even science says that we have mirror cells, mirror neurons. Yeah. Yeah. We are able to reflect other feelings and understand them. But then I understood many things from person. And then I said from my heart that I love you as you are, I know that you love me as I am, and I forgive you and ask for your forgiveness from your heart, from soul to soul, from light being to another.

And then what happened next day, I met the same person and we talked like old friends. It's so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It's so interesting how that happens. And it's not foolproof every single time. Sometimes someone is just going to stay upset. But it really flips the script in terms of how we interact with other people with if our main kind of perspective is looking at it from someone else's perspective, it is it engenders a feeling of trust and love and unity. Even if that person doesn't respond to it, it's there for them to take. And then the other thing that just the counter, the way you look at things from your perspective, you know, there's a lot of personal responsibility there. There's a lot of kind of, I am going to be the person who makes something happen for myself.

No one else is necessarily going to come in and help me. And it's kind of, if more people had more time spent in those two perspectives, the world would certainly be a better place. It's just obviously it's very difficult the farther you feel away from someone. When someone's saying something that is just objectively hateful and mean and just not nice and they're doing terrible things, it's not our natural impulse to be like, oh, what's going on with you? It's like, why are you acting like that? What's the matter with you? It really does change and require a tremendous amount of strength and willpower to kind of allow yourself to do that and then furthermore, forgive the person or extend that spirit of forgiving. It's very powerful though.

It is really powerful and it's really something that most of people can do because of that lacking of willpower. And that is, I think that's the main thing that when you are going through your cleansing, you know, that was called a part of purification. When you go through that, you need to have a lot of willpower unless you have it, you can go through it and many people think when they reach too hard because I'm always saying that the light will come down from crown chakra and will go through from chakra to chakra down to crown chakra. And that is that purification part we are going to going through and we'll be dealing with most of our emotions and heart feelings and beliefs and whatever we're going through that.

And then people don't notice that when they come to heart, some people get so they feel that now I'm enlightened. Yes. Yes. And it's still nothing. I have all the deals with emotion life and that is the only thing that I have done so far, not in the truth here. That is, you can read in the Facebook, a bunch of people saying, Oh, everybody, I have got enlightenment. Yes, or are presenting that persona that they're somehow, they have all of the answers. It's all come to them. And like, listen, I've been there. I've had experiences where I thought, I mean, I don't, I don't think I listen, I thought I don't think it, I know I was in contact with some very powerful things that are happening.

And I think that's a powerful thing that absolutely exists that aren't visible and that got some information and had some experiences that is undeniable and isn't just a function of me taking too many drugs are going crazy. You know, I know that's the case, but I think it's very, it's not very hard because we live in a world consisting of egos and personas and people trying to project and internalize all these things to go right from there. To an egoic kind of spiritual materialism that is very, it's not only nothing I would argue in terms of true enlightenment, or truly advancing, you know, somewhere of some state of equanimity or wisdom.

It can be detrimental because now you're walking around thinking that you have some secret knowledge that no one else has that you've reached this path. Now, you have to be the person to tell everyone about it where, like, that's never how anyone learns. It's like, you can trick people, you can tell them various things and all this stuff and God knows there are plenty of people doing that, but it's very important what you're saying here that, you know, dealing with your emotional and even psychological issues is different than kind of becoming a better human and also living in truth and real love rather than just this idea or intellectualized concept of what enlightenment is. That's very cool. Yeah. And that's not an intelligent thing. People, commonly, I don't know in your country, but in Finland, I've come close to people and many magazines that are from this area, they are dealing with this lower level entities and all this sort of old stuff that we've been bumbling around for ages now.

And really, I think that we should concentrate again to harder stuff in spirituality because that's too light stuff as just meditation. And this, what is it called now? You had, you had a podcast with that man who was telling about this full, what is now fullness, no mindful mindfulness. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think people in that area, they haven't got a clue what is a real invite. I agree. Yeah. I think you had a really nice conversation with that doctor, what he was called miles. Yeah, I think you had a good stop there. It's not so easy to be full minded, mindful in mindfulness. And that's right. That is only, it's something like we are talking about here underground spiritual.

Yeah. There's no, but those other things that we've been talking about, they are like mainstream. Yeah, mainstream doesn't take us anywhere. It just wakes up our curiosity about the spiritual. Yes. That's okay. But I really think that after 1950 or 1940, there hasn't been really good books. Well, I mean, I'd argue, I'd agree that it's really important to not just get caught. When something hits the mainstream, it can get diluted, right? You can't have the same potency that you're going to get in the little river or a pond. It's a mainstream. It's all a lot more water in there to kind of dilute the message.

And one thing that has happened, and I really enjoy that conversation with miles as well, basically, when it meets, when spirituality inevitably meets the world of business and commerce and capitalism. It even the most ardent and balanced and just really well put together teacher or person who's very well meaning has great intentions. They're not mean people. It is not hard for that ability to profit and make money from something you're doing to turn into a business very quickly. And unfortunately, the way that the world works now is businesses have pretty much one function, and that's to make more money.

It's not to make this amount of money, and we're going to stay here. And this is enough for us to comfortably run an organization or a business or our lives with. This needs to make more next year. Our competitors are making more. Only so many people spend money at retreats. Only so many people spend money at, you know, holistic psychologists or whatever it is. So it becomes this competitive money making game rather than this idea of like, what are we using vipassana or meditation or mindfulness for? We're not using it so we can become better at making money. We're not using it so we can come get a competitive edge over our coworkers and get our family to do things.

It's so we can function with more ease in our lives and people can very quickly misconstrue that with, oh, well, this is going to solve my problems. This is going to be something that I can, you know, use to make my life perfect and better this person seems. And then this is, I think, the most kind of difficult thing to come to terms with for myself is that the glossiness and fanciness and perceived beauty of a persona of one who can teach one someone else something really supersedes any type of real, honest, depth, deep work. And that's not to say, I think you mentioned a very good function of this stuff hitting the mainstream, which is, listen, people get more curious about this.

It's great that more people are interested in astrology and shamanism and higher vibrational energies and paranormal psychology and entities and all of these things. But if that's where you're going to stay in the kiddie pool or just use it to enhance your material life, you're missing the real power of this stuff. And I do. It is, of course, a big thing in this country. I think the biggest wave that I'm noticing that it doesn't need to be fought. But an antidote to it is this over intellectualizing and analyzing all of this stuff rather than just dropping into the feeling and pathic. Is this a nice, is this a good thing to do? Is this a compassionate thing to do? Is this something that is wise to do?

Do they line up dropping into the more intuitive aspects of mind and heart? It's something that you can't sell it though, you know what I mean? It's not as easy to sell as a book about how to get enlightened, you know, this specific practice. So it's a very interesting point, but I mean, I think more and more people are kind of waking up to the fact that, you know, a lot of this stuff is diluted kind of packaging rather than real honest kind of spiritual work. And I have a feeling to that that the problem is that this mainstream stuff is easy. It's easy. But yourself, too much, in the limits of your comfort zone, you can do a lot of things, but you don't want to go out of that box and say that, look, I really want this.

I really want to become enlightened. I use my willpower now to become it. Yeah, yeah, and it's not easy. It's esoteric. It's not something that we can just track our practice with the app or something. Tell me about it. But anyway, this is one example from that. It is, of course, during the years, I've been writing up my energy and connecting to flight beings. And of course, the brotherhood of light. Yes, one that I'm connecting with is that I said to them that I am thirsty for truth. I only want to know the truth. Yes. And that is the only thing I want. And I said that probably every five minutes for a few months.

I am concentrating on that, that I want to know absolute truth. Focus, yeah. And when you say in the Bible that when you knock, you will be open. Yes. But do you think that they opened right away? Right. They might have a long way to go to get to the door. Well, I want the door. Yeah. The door. And it was, it was simple like the wooden door from some old ages. Yeah. And I knocked the door and they didn't respond. And I continued that probably month or two. And I even caught more intense. I really wanted that enlightenment and being knowing everything. And I knocked a couple of weeks and they said inside of the door, I heard them.

They were sitting symbolically, they were sitting some well-known spiritual masters playing cards. They were dealing cards, playing poker and stuff. And they heard me knocking. They said, "Is there somebody on the door?" And El Moria and everybody, nah, there hasn't been anybody for 100 years. Don't bother. Deal with the cards and they played again. So, and that wasn't any joke because there was 100 years back, we had a bigger spiritual wave. Because you know, you might know that Blavatsky, Madam Blavatsky started it. Yeah. And it ended about the big wave ended about in 40s, 50s or something like that.

And then became this mainstream wave that brought yoga to the world, you know, especially here in Europe. And whatever. And 100 years back, there was only one. Yeah. And one of my teachers was his Finnish spiritual teacher that started to speak here about, it was late 1800s. And he died, I think it was 34 or 36 or something like that. He taught really serious stuff about spirituality and something that nobody had even now. But I have, I have wrote the book to have here my book in English. But I wrote book that is called The Golden Book of Humanity. And I've been writing those things and I'm not in a mainstream, I'm really here in the underground these days.

But when you go 40s or 30s or 20s, 1920s, there was really many spiritual teachers that taught really hard stuff. Something that had been only in India or... Some hard to go, hard to find kind of wisdom. Well, yeah, I love this. I'm, I got to wrap this up. I have to go get a haircut in a little bit, but I've had such a good time connecting with you. And I want to end with three questions and then one practical question. But I really just appreciate you taking the time to kind of come on and do this. And even though you're in the underground, I mean, I think... I view this podcast as an opportunity to really kind of shine light on people who maybe don't have traditional channels to get up.

And they don't have, you know, half a million dollar ad spend to get, make sure they're appearing on social media all the time and all of this stuff. So I really appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, it's my pleasure. What's your favorite color? Perhaps as a spiritual person, I would say this and that, but I'm originally born in, in Andromeda. And that it must be the Indigo Blue. Nice. I love it. Nice. What is your favorite number? Well, it must be 11 because that is the number of mastery. What is your favorite animal? Very so. Well, if you think my shamanistic part that has been over the hundreds of years, I think there's a wonder there's a link, links, links.

Ooh, very cool. First person to say links. Love it. I love it. And why? Because of that, that is really independent. Yeah, that's a really cool animal. Last question, what is a practical tip that has helped you in your life that you could share with other people? I think the most important for me is to understand the hard hard hard way that you use in your heart, living in your heart, thinking, blowing your thinking from friends to your heart and say that, I am loved. I'm in my heart and I'm here. I love it. I love it. Johan, thank you so much for coming on. I'll let you know when this is out, but really, just thank you so much for taking the time to do this.

We got to connect. I'm really glad that we did, and if you really feel that you want to deal with your karma, we can have a consultation. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to make sure that all the information people can find you too, but I just really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. I know the best. Hey, take it easy. You too. Bye bye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [Music] Thank you. [Music] Thank you. [Music] Thank you. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Thank you for listening past the music. I'll have some new music for everyone in the coming months. You know how it is in the holiday season. Shit just gets kind of crazy. We had a full moon. Just, you know, how it is.

You have, go check him out. I believe his, I believe his website. His website is seerjriverhill.com. I'll have links to this on the podcast on the episode pages, all of that. Sinkpodcast.com. You know what it is. Mindpodnetwork.com. You'll find all that stuff. Go check him out. He has a book too. Please go check it out. If you find anything that he said, interesting or on point. I think it's important that we find kind of like the laymen people who are able to express some of these things in tangible and practical terms. And that's really what this is about, right? We're trying to make sure that the act of being spiritual or doing inner work isn't completely mystifying and just detrimental and hard for us.

And we also, as we spoke about in this episode, we don't want to get caught in spiritual materialism. That's a big trap for Western cultures because we see something and then we make that thing the pursuit of our ego and that alone. And we see this all the time. So, you know, seek out people who can kind of keep you on track without inflating their own ego or your own. That's my advice. I'm full of fucking advice today. I have no idea why. That's it for this week. And I will see you next week. Bye bye.