Exploring Epigenetics with David Krantz

[ Music ] This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. [ Music ] [ Music ] Welcome to synchronicity. My guest this week is David Krantz. He's an epigenetic coach. You'll find out what that is. And a musician. Just an all around very cool guy. You know when you talk to someone and you're just like, "Oh, yeah." I fucks with this person. They're good people. That's the vibe I got from David. When speaking with him, I've been aware of David periphery.

A little easy for me to say. Peripherarily. Because he's friends with a lot of other people on MindPod network. And I just see him online. And I'm struck by the quality of what he puts out there. I think in today's day and age where everyone's just posting, you know, for vanity or for their egos or to seem cool or to seem funny or whatever reason people post on social media. Twitter, Facebook, all of these things. There are people who genuinely seem to have a handle on how best to use these platforms. And just share interesting shit that you think other people will enjoy. It really just boils down to that.

I think if, you know, you check your intentions a lot when you're putting something online, you may notice that it might not be for those reasons. You might just try to be getting attention or feel good about yourself or you're lonely or you want validation. All of these things. Not to say that's the worst thing in the world. But the point is is that whenever I see David post, it's incredibly refreshing. I mentioned in this episode, I've done, I highly recommend this for anyone who is a regular user of Facebook. I went on an unfollowing binge. I just got rid of like 200, 300 people from my feed.

Not all of them, egregiously offensive. Just stuff that wasn't really adding anything and just, you know, wasn't doing anything for me. So I did that still friends with a lot of those people, but their online persona is buh-bye. So that's this. This episode is fucking awesome. I did not know what an epigenetic coach was. It is fascinating to hear David talk about this stuff because rather than kind of siloing off different areas of, you know, research and interest, like biology, chemistry, mysticism, all of these things, he has a wonderful way of kind of synthesizing them all into one holistic picture of what this stuff can mean.

I'm notoriously biased against the human optimization movement, the biohacking movement. I feel like it's a lot of white bros, you know, scratching each other's back, trying to get like implants in their mind so they can be smarter and better than everyone and crushing in business, bro. But that's stupid. That's an infantile way of looking at anything. It's never that simple. It's never that black and white. And it was great to hear David kind of elucidate a lot of things that are involved in biohacking and specifically related to epigenetics and how these things really affect our day-to-day lives.

One of the topics we talk about that I think is very important is, you know, when trying to treat health-related issues or mental issues or psychological issues, we tend to think things is kind of like these Newtonian block. I will put this A on B, then you will feel better. A plus B equals C. And if you examine kind of our day-to-day life, yes, there's a continuity to it, but it's a constantly changing kind of just amorphous, nebulous confluence of states, right? We're not some solid entity that just is the same all the time. And we know that. I mean, how many emotions and moods and feelings and ideas and thoughts do you travel through in a day?

I mean, thousands, tens of thousands potentially. So to try to treat something as though we're this solid state entity just doesn't really work, which is why some of the subtlety of this epigenetic stuff is very, very interesting. And I love it. I got to be honest, I'm super into this stuff. I think David is a great evangelist for this. And I don't think a lot of people are doing this. We talk about also THC, cannabis, and how this can relate. And we give some theories as to why what paranoia is, how to kind of mitigate it, who might be predisposed to it. And I find, again, shit is just fascinating and practical and cool.

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It's another thing if you can maintain interest when things don't look as good. So that's the second part of this intro. That's it. Let's get to David. Yeah, let's do it. Without further ado, here is David Krantz. [MUSIC PLAYING] All right. Here is where I would like to start. I am not abundantly clear what an epigenetic coach is. I haven't heard that term before. Are you the first person laying state to this area of consciousness? It's a good question. I think I am one of the first, you know, kind of coming at it from this perspective, which really, you know, just incorporates everything that, you know, everyone else talks about in terms of health, but looks at it from a genetic expression perspective.

Like what, you know, when you talk about taking supplements or changing your diet, nutrition, that type of thing, exercise, you know, what are the things that are happening on the genetic level? And it's not really too far of a stretch from other ways of looking at it. It just adds another layer of complexity into it that, you know, it's pretty useful in terms of getting to the personalized side of the things. So break down for people who don't know kind of what, I mean, it's an emerging field epigenetics. This isn't something that was around what 34 was this even being posited as something that had an impact on the way we experience or are predisposed to experience aspects of our biological functioning.

This is new, right? So break it down for someone who's like, I have no idea what epigenetics are. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, that timeframe is about, right? I think probably about 30 years ago, 35 years ago is when this started to really come up in the scientific research and literature for the first time. And now we're just starting to get to a point where it's like useful for people outside of just scientists looking at this stuff and saying, "Hey, this is cool." But yes, so, you know, when I went to high school, I was told that your DNA codes for proteins, which codes for traits, and that was these central dogma of biology for a really long time.

And, you know, that's still true to some degree, but what science has learned in the past 35 or so years is there's this other layer of control that exists between the genes and the actual expression of them. So, for example, you know, kids are designed to be able to drink their mother's milk and process it and have the lactase that they need to break down milk. And then, you know, about half or some percentage of the population, when they get to be about 13 or 14, start to lose that ability to produce that lactase enzyme. And so that's a epigenetic change that actually happens. Like the gene stops coding for those proteins and enzymes that break that down.

And so that's something that's naturally coded into some people's genes more so than others. Some people, you know, can continue to make lactases at the age. And so there, you know, science has discovered there's all these little control mechanisms that, you know, some are pre-programmed like that. Some are actually inherited from, you know, your family ancestry. There's some really interesting studies looking at inherited family trauma. Yeah. Some survivors of the Holocaust and their children tend to have differences in stress response, cortisol, things like that. And these markers on the genes can be, in some cases, manipulated through diet or supplements or drugs or medications.

And I have a feeling your audience is more on the psychonaut tip in general. And so, you know, I think there's going to be some really interesting research around epigenetics and psychedelics in the coming years in terms of some of the changes that happen from that. But, you know, it's really about looking at like, you know, we all have a specific, unique DNA code that we're born with. And it doesn't really change over time. But we do have the ability in some ways to change how that code is expressed. And I kind of like to think about it how, you know, when you're reading a recipe, say you find a recipe for chicken pot pie online and you're like, I'm going to make this chicken pot pie.

But this looks like it just has way too much salt. I'm going to cut salt in half or whatever, you know, or I'm going to add, like, double the peas because I really like peas, like your DNA is kind of like that original recipe that you just have. And then epigenetics are kind of like that chef, like the actual decision-making process of like, well, no, I'm going to do it a little bit differently. And so, you know, my work as a coach is looking at people's genetic code. And then from there saying, well, we know, you know, things are likely to express if you have, say, a diet high in saturated fat, for some people, we know that there's certain things that will happen if you have these specific genetic variants.

So here are the things that we can do, say, eating less or more saturated fat, all the dietary things that could change the expression of those genes over time. So, I mean, this is fascinating stuff for so many reasons. So many things you mentioned. But how much leeway do you have in terms of gene expression? Like let's say, you know, you're at one very, you're a cortisol response to stress, no matter even if it's a minor sensory input thing is through the walls. Like how much can we use epigenetic information or, you know, looking at the code of the DNA to be like, all right, you know what? We can kind of like really improve this through these X, Y, and Z.

That's a good question. And I think it's very, it's really, really variable depending on what exactly you're looking at. Some things are very much seem to be hardwired and are very difficult to change. And then some things are, you know, changing all the time day to day, something like genes that get turned on and off by whether you get enough sleep or not. You know, like those things, you know, happen really quickly. And, you know, your body's, your body's designed to be adaptive. And that's one of the amazing things about the epigenetic stuff is that it really shows the body as this dynamic changing system that like is constantly monitoring the environment, right?

Like, you know, there's just, go ahead. No, you see me about to jump in because that is a much more accurate representation of what we experience, you know, from a moment-to-moment experience. It's like, I've been noticing this. I was sick for like two months almost. I had a sinus infection. When you have a kid, you pick up every weird fucking disease that's out there. He's a daycareer. So I'm just getting shit. I've never, because I don't go around rubbing my nose and touching shit all day long until I've had a kid. So now I'm getting all this stuff. And I was sick for a long period of time. And it really made me acutely tuned in to every single thing that was going on with my body.

I reduced my diet. Like that was one of the first things I did. I just started eating beans. I was just like, I'm just going straight beans. Like, I know this is okay for a little bit. I'll be okay. And just started noticing all these little changes, whereas sometimes we, you know, especially in Western medicine, we treat it as like a block thing that is like, this is what you take to make this better rather than looking at this kind of fluid, constant evolving process of what's going on. That's why I think this is fascinating. And I don't want to jump off kind of the overall global viewpoint of what's going on kind of what you're doing with epigenetic coaching.

But I also, who will get to it, is super interested in how this relates to cannabis and THC and some of the compounds we find there. Because, you know, there are my hippie kind of, you know, pseudo-intellectual takes on why I think maybe weed works for some people and other people, but it would be fascinating to hear from an epigenetic level or standpoint kind of why that is. So yeah, I mean, dude, what, from a global kind of macro standpoint with epigenetics. What, is it truthfully kind of like a, would you liken it to psychedelics and the fact that we can kind of reshape our neural pathways or kind of relink or create new foundational things?

Is that some of the potential that epigenetic kind of looking at it from that standpoint offers, like actually changing the way the body can function over time? Is that possible? Yeah, I mean, I think that's really hitting it on the head in terms of what the goal is, is to be able to have a little bit more control over, you know, your own biology and the way that you want it to, what direction you want it to go into. You know, it shifts the narrative in a lot of ways from kind of the disempowering, well, you're born with these genes. You get out what you got to something that actually is something that you can work with.

And I think it's, it is reflective of, you know, kind of the self-development route and the ability that people have noticed that, you know, do things like meditation or take psychedelics in a way that allows them to process, you know, deep emotional stuff that they, there is change that happens. Right. And, and yeah, I think there's, there is a lot of potential for that. I do kind of want to speak to one thing you mentioned in terms of, you know, just how things change over time. And I think that's one of the really fascinating things that has been completely stripped out of the modern kind of Western medical way of looking at things is that your body changes function through different parts of the day, different parts of the year.

You know, like certain, like say, for example, like the amylase enzyme that breaks down like wheat and, and, and grains actually changes throughout the year because, you know, humans evolved mostly to eating stored grain during the winter. So you actually have higher amounts of amylase during the winter. And there's all kinds of factors that come into play when you look at the way the human body responds to different frequencies of light that are present throughout the year, depending on the angle of the sun. Yeah. And so like just, just that alone, like I feel like there's, you know, there's a lot of research being done on, on circadian rhythm and, and circadian genes and, and how they interact and control other genes. And I think over the next five, 10, 15, 20 years, there's going to be a really major revolution in understanding how to leverage timing to actually, you know, take advantage of like, well, when should I take the supplement? When should I smoke weed?

Yes. When should I do these things to actually like work in a way that, you know, is going to kind of maximize the effort. I love, I mean, dude, you're, you're blowing my mind for so many reasons just because this, again, lines up with my personal experience of how I kind of, no, I don't even want to say like, mindfully watch this stuff all the time, sometimes obsessively, but notice that there are different times my wife will think I'm crazy that all of a sudden, like, I don't have an allergy to this or this year, the allergies are certainly worse or it feels like everyone is more tired at this point, you know, during the year, not just because of daylight savings, but just like I'm noticing way more bags than normal, like in other people, not just myself, it's very interesting that not only are we kind of all below the threshold of consciousness aware of this, but that we now have some ability to shed some light on some of these other factors that are going on. I mean, like what you're talking about really means a lot to me, it's one of the reasons it's not directly related, but why I like astrology. I don't go and seek out and say, hey, what's this planet doing and how is it going to affect me and that's what's going to happen. But I'll find out after the fact that, oh, this certain conjunction brings up these types of experience and I'm like, holy shit, I just went through like two things exactly like that is kind of like we have these tools at our disposal to kind of get more, there's a greater sensitivity, it seems like, with consciousness now and a greater ability to kind of penetrate things that just seemed obscure and just totally like willy-nilly, why is this stuff happening and this just, it seems like it holds so much fucking potential for people because you're more acutely tuned into what's actually going on.

Yeah, absolutely man. And I think like, you know, just just building the awareness of being able to kind of monitor those things for yourself like noticing when you feel tired noticing when your allergies, that's kind of a first step that I think, you know, kind of gets skipped over when we're little kids, like no one ever taught me how to pay attention to life. That's something you kind of have to pick up and learn over time. And, you know, yeah, once you do it, I've had very similar parallel experiences of just recognizing these larger overarching patterns. And I haven't looked too far into it, but just like solar radiation fluctuations, you know, things that are measurable. And additionally, like I enjoyed astrology, I use it as a reflection tool for my own psyche, you know, like I want to know, like there are like regardless of if you give credit to, you know, all of the different systems and interpretations, like it's useful in demarcating time, you know, just in the same way that like a year is a useful point to say like, oh yeah, what did I do this year? You know, you can use these smaller micro kind of transits to say like, okay, well, you know, what happened in my life when Mars was retrograde this year, like just give it nothing else except that like, you know, it's a celestial event, like the sun or the moon, anything like that is useful in like sort of understanding how you change over time. Like I think it's just, it's important to kind of integrate, you know, as a way of being in touch with the natural world in a way.

Yeah, and what you're keying in on is something I was thinking about just throughout our conversation, is this fundamental kind of mindfulness that is a prerequisite for kind of understanding some of these other things. I think this is really important. My kind of bent for the past, really a couple years, but especially in the podcast, the past six months, is this idea of acknowledging that mindfulness can come in a lot of different forms. Of course, meditation is one that really gets you front row and center with what's going on with your mind, but there are other ways that it's also kind of a form of mindfulness and tuning into your body is one of the best ones we have. That's why pain can be like a really effective teacher for a lot of people because it grabs your, it's like pay attention, idiot, like what's something's going on? Like, so it's, it's very, it's just a key thing to remember that this seems like to be aware of these subtle factors or other factors that maybe we're not taught to be aware of requires a state of not only mindfulness, but a cause inquisitiveness to that is like, that's why I think this stuff is it holds so much to it because it makes you pay attention to things that maybe aren't just completely in front of you all of the time.

So with that, I mean, let's get into the THC and the weed stuff because I know this is kind of a something that you focused on and you know, I'm sure you know, I'm a big cannabis fan for many different reasons. What have you kind of learned about THC and cannabis from an epigenetic perspective? Yeah, so one of the biggest things that I've learned is that my experience with cannabis, which has also been pretty positive over the years, you know, I was one of the, just those kids, like the first time I smelled it, I was like, holy shit, what is this? Like, what? There's an innate biological response, like my body is primed and tuned into this thing. Like, that smells like the best thing I've ever smelled. Right. So, you know, like, that was just how my body was wired. And so, you know, I grew up being the kid that wanted to find the best weeds. Like, one, I was, I was like the, the super stoner of all my friends.

And I remember like, you know, I had a girlfriend in high school that didn't, like, we even, I thought she was nuts. Like, I just couldn't wrap my head around that she wasn't having the same positive experience with, you know, that I was. And learning a little bit more about some of the research that's been done. And there is quite a pretty big body group of research looking at genetic differences and how that impacts people's response to cannabis and THC. Like, there's a pretty wide range of responses. And, you know, me with my sort of own internal confirmation bias, thought that my way was just like the only way. I mean, as like narcissistic and narrow as it sounds, I get it. It really, it really did, like, just open my eyes to say, Oh, man, there are like real legitimate biological hardwired reasons why some people just don't enjoy this much or why some people really respond to different doses or dosages or strains. And, you know, I will say that from an epigenetic standpoint, there's not a ton of research out there. This is more looking at kind of the base genetic code. And how say, for example, there's a gene called CYP2C9. And it has to do with how your body breaks down THC. It codes for liver enzyme.

And so some people have natural, you know, just have these variants that they're naturally occurring. They're not like weird mutations. Probably about 20% of the population has the variant that causes them to produce less of this enzyme that breaks down THC. So those people tend to have a much stronger response to THC, especially edibles. They're the type of people that will just just get totally floored by edibles. And you, you know, and that's one of about 50 different genes that's been studied, looking at, you know, different factors that impact cannabis or like things like subjective response. And just some people have more of a paranoid type, you know, anxious type response to it. There's some genes that seem to influence that. And it's like, you know, I want to be clear to that. It can be easy to slip into the reductionist mindset and just say like, okay, yeah, this gene means this.

You got the paranoid gene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like, you know, there's, there's the kind of factor really looking at how all these things interact together. That's, I think that's what I really enjoy about this perspective so much is that this holistic kind of awareness of other things that are going on is, is seems to be a key component. And it might just be your perspective. I mean, I'm sure someone could look at this stuff and do a totally reductive thing that, yeah, this gene predisposes you to be paranoid. Therefore, you're not. But what I like about it is is, so my theory about paranoia, because my wife is a really good example. In high school, she's Stoney McGee.

I didn't know, but apparently I hear stories, her friends back it up, blazing, blazing all the time. So now she can't do anything. Granted, the weed now, especially when I'm smoking is way stronger than anything that was going to be around in like the late 90s or early 2000s. So that's a given. But there are other people I know who can take ayahuasca, DMT, they're doing toad, they're doing any psychedelic under the sun, and are like stable and normal, like totally normal, but cannot smoke weed at all. So there clearly is. So my theory on it is that I do think, and there, this maybe makes sense from an epigenetic standpoint, or like stored trauma process, you know, how you process things. What I think cannabis seems to do, because for how long I've been smoking and ingesting, I have enough experience to kind of get some insight into what's going on. It definitely pushes up subconscious material. You don't have to engage with it consciously at all. You don't even have to have a real awareness that it's even happening. If you choose to tune into it, you know, for purpose intent or not, you know, it can be actually pretty amazing in terms of like dealing with shit that you didn't even know is there. It's like, "Ah, really?" And you can kind of deal with it in a nice way. But if you're not familiar with it, or you fight against it, it doesn't stop its process of kind of integrating with your consciousness and bringing out, you know, trauma issues. Who knows what, shadow stuff. I'm not always going to be very pleasant, of course. But the people who fight that is what typically they experience what we would call just like straight paranoia and a bad time. And it would make sense to me that depending on kind of your family's history, your ancestral roots, your kind of genetic makeup, that there would be an influence of like who would be in a grouping where this wouldn't be something. Like, I know this. My whole family, I found out later in life, they're all stoners. Like it's just a stoner lineage. It's like it makes perfect. That's not like it's even a mystery of why I like weed so much or why when I smell it. And I'm like, smell this to my wife. She's just like, I don't care.

It's like, whatever. And I'm like, this is the best. Like, look at this. I just want to cuddle it. It makes sense. Like someone wouldn't have to tell me that it's just my own free volition that I'm predisposed to like this. It really lines up. So I feel like, you know, you're talking about epigenetics really coming to the forefront, you know, really being scientifically around for 35, 40 years now beginning to show its kind of legs and and and seeds in terms of sprouting things. We'd were super behind on, right? I mean, I live in a state where it's like, right? I can't grow. I can't give. I can't do anything. So I mean, we're a little farther behind, but I can definitely envision a future where this stuff is like hand in hand and like, you know, one of the coolest things I heard. And this really speaks again to what you're talking about, not to just keep going off on tangent series. I don't know what podcast it was. It was someone was talking about there out in California. People with serious medical problems, like serious life, terminal in many, many cases are very late stage cancers, immune diseases, would go to these people for medical cannabis. And what they would do is they would grow a plant specifically for that person. So they take the list of their genetic makeup, their symptoms, their kind of family's history, all these things.

And they would say, this is your plant, like this is specifically made for you. This will be helpful. And I could see like down the line how epigenetically and this this stuff could be like perfect. Like now you have like you're growing your own medicine and you have your psychic and kind of biological link to it that that really can be more beneficial than just like popping a pill or being like, Oh, I'm not going to eat that ever. Yeah, man, I think this stuff is so fucking cool. Yeah, man, there's like there's like five things I want to like back there. Yeah, yeah, first of all, I think there's something just innately undescribable above growing your own plants. Like I'm a lifelong plant nerd.

Yeah, I remember like gardening with my grandma when I was a little kid and I just, and I can't grow weed here in my state either, which sucks. Yeah, but there is something that, you know, you can't really touch with the scientific analysis that happens in that kind of space. And, you know, in terms of what you're talking about the with bringing up on conscious and subconscious kind of thoughts and anything like that, I agree. I've experienced that as well. And the times in my life where I've had the worst experience with cannabis were times where I was resisting what was coming up. Yeah, and not and not wanting to deal with it. You know, but at the same time, I think that how you were describing like some people do better with other maybe more serotonergic types of psychedelics, but really can't, you know, do well with with cannabis. I think that there, you know, might be some neurotransmitter receptor type wiring things that are different among those people where maybe for for those people LSD or psilocybin is actually a better choice to bring up those unconscious things. And it's actually, you know, potentially safer on a psychic level to do to do it if that's what you're more predisposed to. Because I will say that, you know, in terms of looking at neurochemistry and biochemical dynamics that contribute to that sense of like those type of people not doing well. Like there's a few genes that have been identified that just are correlated with your, the amount of endocannabinoids that you produce naturally. Yeah. And some people seem to have higher amounts. And for those people, they actually tend to not prefer cannabis as much. And there's kind of the working theory right now of just endocannabinoid balance where if you already have higher levels, then actually smoking weed can just throw you further out of balance.

Whereas people like you and myself, I'm going to guess you if it runs in your family like that, that you probably have lower levels of your own endocannabinoids naturally. And so it's like this natural, you know, it's a way to balance it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense. I mean, the balancing of it too. And I mean, it just, again, it, it, it leaves room for emerging data and kind of insights to fill in the blanks, right? It's not saying, oh, well, it's because of this. And this is why you don't like it, which is why I like kind of the fluidity and kind of accepting what's coming. It's a very kind of like enlightened approach to kind of science. Dude, how did you get into this? How did you, what, did you go to school for this stuff? Like, how did you develop this facet of your life, which I mean, truthfully, it's one of the more interesting kind of, you know, angles I've heard about anything related to life.

And this is cool shit, man. Yeah. So I am, I'm one of those weird people that just got super into it because I needed to fix some of my own health issues. And I was in the right place at the right time. I'll give you a little background. I was, um, I went through some, you know, I guess in my early 20s, I started having some weird undiagnosable health problems. Like I was passing out randomly. And I went to, I went to, yeah, I was just like, I would, I, yeah, I went to a couple different doctors, cardiologists, did, I actually had a heart mat monitor implanted to make sure that I didn't have any like, you know, real arrhythmia stuff.

And they basically were all like, no, you're, you're too healthy for us to do anything with. Like you're like, we don't know why this is happening, but it's basically fine. And I was like, no, this isn't fine. This is the opposite of fine. Yeah. This is not, this is not good. Um, and you know, it was, it was frequent, but in free, it was like maybe a couple of times a year. And, uh, you know, it just kind of launched me down this path of like, I need to figure out what's going on. And at the same time, I, I kind of was running up against my own self-defeating patterns and started doing the therapy. And, um, I ended up working until my background's in music, uh, audio engineering and music. Oh, amazing. We shared that.

Yeah. So my, I was hired, uh, by this, um, uh, medical clinic here in Asheville to help them create meditation programs and, uh, you know, brainwave and trainman type stuff for this really amazing, uh, sound chamber that the owner of this place built, and she's a audiologist and she actually is like a performance specialist for the US Air Force. So she has kind of one, one foot in, uh, biohacking performance world, one foot in the sound world. And she was looking for someone to, you know, who had sound skills to write music, basically, and also, you know, take it, do it from a health perspective.

And I started working for them and the other owner of the clinic, um, around that same time, decided he was going to stop seeing clients and start teaching, uh, because he had been using genetics and his clinical practice for about the last seven or eight years and it sort of just kind of figured it out on his, on his own, looking at the scientific research, applying it to his patients, um, and was really one of the first people to kind of make it his main thing. So around the same time, he, he stopped, you know, seeing as many clients and I was there and he was like, well, I need some folks that are, you know, just to kind of see if I can teach this to people, like, how can, how, you know, and basically I acted as like a beta tester training program with this like world renowned, uh, genetic based doctor and it was, and it fit perfectly into all the stuff that I'd been studying for myself with diet and trying to, and, um, you know, all the things I was trying to do to get my health back on mine from the weird passing out thing. Yeah. And so, um, you know, I was, I really felt like I was just in the right place at the right time. And the show is called Drinks. I'll tell you the weird thing. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. So I was, I was working, uh, at the time for Moog, Moog music, the synthesizer company. Of course. Um, and, uh, I was calibrating since and around that I was spent using all of my time that I could in the factory listing the health podcasts and biohacking podcasts. And one of my favorite podcasts was this one called biohacking for optimal health, really creative name, but it's a great podcast. Yeah. And, uh, I really, I, so I took a walk down, you know, on my, my lunch break one day and I looked at the sign at the building next door and realized that the logo on the podcast was the exact same as on the building next door and was like, you're kidding me. The guy that I'm listening to, who was like, has my favorite health information and has a, has a doctor's office next door. He's like literally a block away. And so, uh, I made an appointment with him because I wanted to get blood testing done. And that's how I got the job at this clinic. They're like, he was like, well, you know, I can do some blood work for you, but you should, you know, talk to my partner who needs someone to write music. So it just kind of. Wow. Yeah. Snowball from there. That's nuts, dude. That's like a real manipulating time and space synchronicity. I mean, because like it's cool when synchronicities happen and they're kind of like moments in time, but when one launches you kind of in like a different life trajectory, it's like, holy shit, what the heck was that? That's really cool. It's like, it's like, I remember it.

Like most of the time, like little synchronicities like they'll happen. I was neat. Cool universe. Thanks, you know, whatever. And then it kind of just disappears fades into the distance. That's like one that's just like, nope, that's a clear, clear path. There's a signpost there saying this is synchronicity. Your life is forever changed. That's so fucking cool, man. So, I mean, are you still you're not passing out anymore, I hope? Very, very infrequently. Okay. Last time it happened was when I was actually just getting a blood draw and I looked, I was like, I'm going to look at the needle this time and I passed out.

That happens to me. Yeah. Yeah. So like, and so my, I have a overactive like nervous system. And so it'll happen when it has happened in similar moments. You know, that's a really common one, but it's basically like my body for whatever reason decides like, oh, this is too intense, you know? Yeah. So yeah, I have it pretty much under control these days, except for that one time recently. No, I mean, I, that's happened to me and I kind of know that it's not a biological thing. Like it's not like, oh, I'm passing out because of some, it's just like, I can feel it happening. Like I remember, I used to get blood tests like regularly and it, you know, I'd be like, listen, I need some juice.

I need some water, whatever, like fake excuse I needed to not psychosomatically pass out. I would use that's interesting. So I mean, like when you were going through kind of, you like your, your personal interest in biohacking and I mean, when I hear the, let me be honest here, when I hear the term biohacking, I don't typically think of someone like you. I think of someone trying to implant some weird thing or they're taking 10,000 different new tropics and talking about stacks and all of these things that I don't really know anything about and like admittedly I have a, a server for what's cryptocurrency. Now we just talk about psychedelics and other things, but people are really into like different types of not necessarily new tropics, but other things. I, I kind of tend to write this shit off because I'm just like a cynical asshole sometimes for no good reason, but I'd be curious to hear like what, what is your definition of kind of like optimizing your, you know, optimizing your personal experience and kind of like health? Like what does that mean for you? Because I think I'm lazy and stupid. And when I hear it, I go, that's something I'm not interested in.

And then when I have someone like you on the show who can like explain it in a nice and cool way, I'm like, Oh, you know, I am for that. So what does that mean for you? Yeah, well, I think we hit on something pretty interesting in that the general ethos of that whole community can be very off-putting to someone who isn't involved in it. Because like there's, there's lingo, there's just like, there's a sense of like, you have to be this like, type A personality, high performer CEO, like go, go, go thing, right, you know, squeezing out, squeezing out every last little bit of your type of mentality. And I'm not like that. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm a classic type B, go with the flow type person. But it's funny because actually using utropics and stuff like this is sort of like brought out my more motivated side of myself for my God, that's actually kind of cool.

Like I can sit here and concentrate for longer on the things that I are meaningful to me. Right. Right. And so I think, you know, in a general sense, I like Dave Asprey's definition for biohacking, which is just taking control over your biology, exerting more control over your biology. And the environment, you know, it's like changing the environment, either inside your body or outside your body to, you know, create change. And I think it really depends on what your personal goals are, where someone like yourself or like myself, like, I'm not trying to run like a fortune 500 company. And I'm not trying to, you know, be the high powered CEO bio hacker guy. I am trying to make my brain, you know, work as well as I can. So when I sit down to write music or sit down to do a genetic review with someone, I'm sharp and on point and actually have the available mental energy to like make sure that I can think clearly and really, you know, kind of bring my best self forward. And I mean, a lot of it too. My original motivation for it was, you know, being in therapy and wanting to really delve into some of the stuff that was holding me back and like, I couldn't figure out why it was holding me back, you know, and just, I feel like shifting my brain function, giving my body the nutrition it needed, doing these little things actually gave me more metabolic energy to process difficult stuff. And like, actually put myself in a space where I actually had more of a capacity to sit with difficult emotions and then not get scared by them because my body was functioning better. You know, like, and so that was a big motivation for me and continues to be in terms of just like looking at, you know, if I'm going to learn more about myself, learn more about how I can function and be happier and contribute to the people around me in a better way, like, if I can get my body to work the best it can, like that's so much easier. I don't have to fight against myself as much. So, you know, overall, I just say like, biohacking is taking whatever motivations you have and applying it to kind of grease the wheels of your biology to get there. I mean, now you put it in a way that literally no one could object to because it makes, I mean, it makes a lot of sense.

Like, it's like trying to think of like when you're trying to keep your composure in whatever you're doing and you're really sick. It's like damn near impossible. Like any slight thing can set one off edge, whether that makes you angry or sad or just whatever it is. It's like you're, it's harder to do so kind of it's like this. I've noticed this. I don't do new tropics. I haven't done them. I don't know anything about them. Although now it sounds pretty interesting. And I'd be curious to hear what your personal thoughts on some of them are, but I do micro dose and I take long enough breaks from micro dosing. I've done a lot of different experience with consistently on and off the fathom and thing four days. Then I'll just kind of get into a groove sometimes and let it manifest. I have noticed that that kind of ability to focus and tune into things does naturally lead to other things in life, whether that's improving your diet or exercising that works hand in hand, that it's not like you took this thing and now you're smarter and now you can focus like Adderall or like you're taking some stimulant to force yourself to do something. But it does seem like it turns into a more holistic approach. And from that sense, I mean, anything that we can use in our own biology or what we're putting into our bodies. I mean, why wouldn't we do that? Because it does feel like, dude, what you said true is like, I'm a big fan of like doing shadow work, but oftentimes in my life, and I know in everyone's life, you know, there's some obstacle.

You know, there's something you're doing. It's not something out there. You're in a pattern, you're self-defeating, but you can't get that insight. It's like, if you've, I've been a consultant for a lot of businesses, I'm really good at making other people money. It's like one of my best things. I'm getting myself so much worse at it. Like, so much worse. It's hard to get that kind of perspective you need on yourself. So anything that can kind of chip away at that or gives you kind of the tools personally to help with that. I mean, like, how could anyone object? I mean, what do you think of the stigma, though, of kind of the biohacking idea of like, hey, I'm a type A Tim Ferriss kind of like squeeze every, you, you're laughing because you know exactly what I'm thinking of.

Like, I mean, there clearly is enough of that prevalent that it clouds kind of the general, like, you know, like the people like you are like, yeah, like, I'm just trying to like do shit that make me work better, make my mind and body work better. Like, you know, we can object to that. Whereas there is this kind of like, hey, like you need to be doing this type A, achieve all the time. Like, what's your kind of viewpoint? Is it just a marketing thing or is it kind of like a personality that gravitates towards that? You know, I think it is a personality that gravitates towards it or at least has as a first adopter of it because, you know, inherently those people are looking for the edge. You know, they're they're the ones that are more likely to, you know, have the money to go spend on stuff and and figure this stuff out for themselves and then go report on it and be obsessive about it. And I think there's there's somewhat of a filtering process that I'd like to help facilitate, you know, at this point of like, hey, these people, even though I don't necessarily resonate with their overall philosophy, have some good ideas and have some good techniques that you can go take and apply, you know, elsewhere. And just in terms of what you're saying with microdosing and all that, I actually just did an interview for the third wave, their program.

I guess if you if you go through the program, I have like a interview about a lot of the stuff and we discussed like, how can you integrate this type of, you know, understanding of like, yes, once you become a little bit more aware of yourself through microdosing and you're, you know, you get the focus benefits and you're more tuned into your life and your body, you know, how do you continue to sort of maximize that stuff? Because, you know, like you were saying, like, good nutrition is going to support that. And it's not like you want to look at it like you're just taking a pill and that's going to make everything better.

Right. Right. Like, like, it's like, like, how can I do all of these things to create this firm foundation that then when I add something like microdosing, it's like the absolute maximum, you know, possibility, the possible, you know, the best possible outcome for me. And so, you know, I, when I work with clients, it's really my perspective is like, how many multi systems layers can we look at? It's like, you can do all the nutrition and nutrition stuff in the world, but if you're not getting a good night's sleep, like, it's kind of all for nothing. You know, it's like, you're only maybe you'll see a 10% increase where if you were sleeping, well, as a foundational layer, like, you might see a 70, 80% increase. So it's like, a lot of it is really kind of looking at these, these factors and how, and seeing what's missing. And sometimes it's just, it's just a matter of, like, putting one little piece in there and it makes everything else work that much better.

And it makes sense that it would be like that for some of us because if those kind of pieces aligned at certain times, but not others, we'd feel like we have that optimal. This is how I've been feeling recently, because I mentioned I was sick. I don't feel like I've totally ever gotten back to, like, normal. I'm like, is it just a seasonal thing? And I recognize there's a lot of other things, but like, it makes sense that if you're looking at this from kind of a holistic perspective, what is going on with your body, with your breasts, with your mind, like, it makes a lot of sense. And I think that kind of we owe it to ourselves if we're aware of this stuff to kind of pursue it at least a little bit because, I mean, it's, it connects a lot of dots. I mean, you know what I mean? Like this though, almost everything you've said related to kind of the genetic markers of our body and just kind of our predispositions and all of these other factors, like, how could they not have an impact? You know, how could they not be related in some way? We're not like these Newtonian blocks moving from place to place where we come in. Oh, that's done. I'm going to this, like, that's just not how shit works ever, no matter how much we want to pretend it does.

So I don't want to, I don't want to shift gears too abruptly, but that's exactly what I'm going to do. Music, audio engineering background, I've heard your music. It's fucking awesome. Really, really detailed, well-produced, engineered, incredible. Well, how did you get into making music? Why did you pursue that? You're a nutball like me, pursuing that as a career path at one point. What, what, how did you get into this stuff, man? Yeah, so I've, I mean, I've been making music my whole life. I was just at home for Thanksgiving at my parents' house. They brought, broke out a bunch of baby videos.

And, you know, there's all these videos of me, like, dancing to, like, classic Beatles on my parents' bed and that kind of stuff. You know, it's always been, I've always been really attuned to it. Like, I'm the guy that can't not dance at a show. My body just is music. Yeah, it's like- I feel you. Yeah. So, you know, I grew up playing different instruments and really, you know, I didn't have much direction when I went to college other than I really like music and I'm pretty good at making it, you know, playing guitar and stuff at the time. Yeah. And I, freshman year in college, my roommate gave me a copy of Reason.

I guess it was like Reason 2 or 3.0 back then. Oh, yeah. And I did my best to turn my, like, kind of classic audio engineering degree into an electronic music production degree kind of on my own accord. So, you know, I was taking classes and for recording and engineering and at the same time I was producing my own music. And I was playing with a band also at the time kind of doing, like, a live electronic trio thing, like production, half live instruments. And I don't know, man, like, I've just always been so enthralled by the in-the-momentness that music can create. And, you know, I saw fish when I was 14, kind of just fortuitously.

Like, I had discovered them on Napster and realized that they were playing, you know, a show in Greensboro. And I got my, my friend's dad had dad to take her myself. And it just changed my whole perspective on, like, what a live music experience could be and what the power of that is in terms of everyone being tuned in the same moment and having that experience, you know, of, of boundary dissolution, really. You know, just that, um, that ability to feel connected to something outside yourself. And I don't know. So it's just been really that, that experience of experiencing music has always been really important to me.

And then when I realized, like, oh, I can make sounds that I haven't heard before, which electronic things, like that really grabbed me. And so that's kind of been my, um, I don't know. My mission is just to take whatever is in my head and put it into sound and kind of transmute that experience. So I mean, awesome. On all accounts, I can relate to pretty much everything you said down to the Napster. I mean, I was FTPing albums and just, like, blowing my mind before weed, before anything, just because the internet was, like, this blossoming access point. And I was like, how are people not doing this all of the time?

Like, I can listen to anything? This is incredible. Um, yeah. I mean, music is, is crazy because, and sound too, by extension, is, it's, it's so mysterious. It's so weird. We, we don't give it enough credit in terms of what it can do to our consciousness in the moment, in terms of our ability to accurately remember in our minds full musical pieces, many people who have never picked up an instrument. And this gets to the point of, of, you know, you like doing this stuff. For me, I realized, I don't know, like, three or four years ago that if I don't make music because I've diluted myself or just been too busy at times to do it, I go nuts.

I like, it actually feels like something that has to emerge, not even necessarily to other people, that that's very, you know, rewarding in its own right, but just getting it out. It feels like something that's kind of like a compulsion in, in not a bad way, but like something that's kind of just like exercising to like work your body. It feels like this, this thing that has to happen. I also like that you said, oh, you went to college, not really knowing what you wanted to do with the music to guys, like every single, I don't think there's anyone who's like, I'm going to, I'm going to study music who has it figured out.

And it's just, there's a vague notion of I like this. That's literally what it is. I love it. I went, this is, these are all my classmates and everyone is eventually realizing like, holy shit. Like what? Most people like were like me, didn't realize until afterwards, it's like, oh, shit, I have a, I have a degree in music synthesis. Not only is this virtually useless everywhere, but no one even knows what it means. It's just like this. Right. Yeah, like what? What? Dude, what do you, what do you use to produce now, mainly? What are you able to, able to, and a whole bunch of plugins? Yeah, man. How can you?

What are some of your favorite plugins? Um, let's see, for since I really, uh, CRM gladiator. Um, yeah, I use a lot of reactor. Nice. Yeah. I, I really love the sound of voice plugins. Yeah. For processing and, um, that's, that's kind of kind of my main stack. Sweet. Yeah. No, I know how it goes. I, I've been using one, although I don't think it's going to work with Mojave. It's, I love this synthesizer diva. It's a base synthesizer. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Oh man. It's just a, it's like a, it's about as good of an analog replication synthesizer. I found in the box, at least for base and stuff. I don't want to get too nerdy with this because literally no one is going to be like, oh, yeah.

I know what you're talking about. You just are throwing out. Yeah. We can go on a full table. You know, I've called it techno babble. It is. Essentially. I mean, I'm sure it's like anything that anyone is interested in, but for me, the electronic music production or even whether it's electronic or not, but just the digital production vortex, you, you realize at a very early point that this never ends. Like it never, there's always more things to learn. There's more ways to process. There's more things to connect. And it really is like, I think one of the reasons that I've had a greater appreciation for music and sound in general is it's such a good metaphor for what life is in general.

And if you can kind of catch that frequency, no pun intended, it really makes things in life that maybe see discordant or not in harmony. You have kind of a greater appreciation for them sometimes because you recognize it's not just like some bad patch you're necessarily going through. It's just maybe a different part of the song that, you know, you're unfamiliar with and maybe you don't like it as much, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily bad. Dude, this has been amazingly fun. I feel like I want to have more conversations with you in the future too about a lot of this stuff. If someone's listening and they want to find out and they want to work with you, can you just kind of provide a brief overview of a how they get in touch and be just like some of of what you would do because I think someone like me, like I'm listening to you say all these things and we do, this is fucking fascinating.

I'm going to talk to you about this off the air. But for someone who's listening, like what do you kind of what are your clients come to you with in terms of help? Yeah. So, you know, I have a range of different clients and what they're looking for. Some people are looking to manage a specific condition, you know, in terms of a health condition. And some people are just looking to feel better, you know, or perform better at whatever it is they do in a general sense where there's not necessarily like, Oh, I need to fix this. It's more like, I just, you know, I know I could be getting a little bit more out of life or out of what I want to be doing.

I could use a little more energy, that type of thing. And so, you know, I'll work with people in a general sense like that. And what I'll do is we'll run a genetic test. I'm affiliated with this company called Appearon, which is the clinic I was describing earlier. Yeah. And we have a private test that we run through a private lab. So there's no chance of like, you're getting sold. Yeah. You know, you own your data. Like it's very, very transparent on that front, which is important to us. If you've ever, if you've been following any of the 23 and these stuff, like, Holy shit, we're already in the databases apparently, because everyone else is submitting their stuff insane.

Yeah. So we, yeah, we use the private test and then depending on what, you know, depth of information someone wants to look into, I'll look at genes that are related to like nutrition, different micronutrients and supplementation, not sleep and circadian rhythm, detoxification pathways in the body, which it's just, there's some things that genetics really shine for. And in terms of understanding like what herbs and substances can I, you know, put in my body that will really optimize these different ways my body gets rid of things it doesn't need. And you know, goes way beyond the like bullshit detox cleanse kind of model.

It gets really specific and granular with that. So I really love doing that with people. And then things have to do with exercise and, you know, before like recovery genes and athletic performance, that type of thing, as well as hormones. And I also have an endocannabinoid panel that I've actually developed myself with the doctor who runs that clinic. Yeah, so we can look at some dynamics like we were talking about, are you likely to have higher levels of endocannabinoids and, you know, are there specific strains that might be helpful for something that you want to look at, as well as like kind of looking at overall is smoking weed going to be something that's, you know, detrimental long term for some people because, you know, overall, some people do better with it than others.

So, you know, and then from there, you know, people either work, you know, just get that information or then I'll work with people on an ongoing coaching basis for, you know, say like six months or 12 months where we'll kind of continue to integrate what we found in the genetics, maybe around some lab tests to track a few markers over time. So yeah, things are going and, you know, kind of, I just act as kind of a support system for people and accountability buddy in a way. That's probably an, you're probably underselling that last part because I get the impression that your insights into someone's specific kind of like one to one analysis of what's going on with some is probably like a huge component of this because it's like anything.

If you're, if someone really understands or cares, probably even more than understands but cares about what's going on, that's going to provide a different level of support than just kind of a set, you know, rote guideline chart of, oh yeah, you're this type of genetics, so don't eat that herbs like that, you know, that's not as helpful as someone being like, hey, what's going on? Like, maybe it could be this. I'm seeing this here that maybe you didn't see. So that's fucking cool, man. I've had a blast. I really, I'm only cutting this short because I have like a show of stuff to do. I'd love to talk for another hour because there's so much, this stuff is fascinating to me and as you can tell, it's not an area that I've studied or really delved into that much, which makes it all the more fascinating to me because I don't know shit about it.

I don't have any preconceived notions except my dumb ones. So dude, let's end with the- Well, I'll stop you there. The notions that you've been throwing out, I wouldn't consider dumb. I think there's a lot of good parallels that you've been able to draw and really understand, you know, this from a holistic perspective because I just really want to let your audience know that if you, you know, if they've had negative experiences with doctors, like I've had plenty, you know, there is the opportunity to look deeper in on your own and like no one is going to care more than you about your health. And there's a lot of messaging in our society that like you need to give your power to these experts that are supposed to be helping you.

But what I really see my role as is someone who can kind of like be a partner in this, you know, and be a mutual explorer of health rather than like the authority who's going to tell you what to do, you know, that's a kind of primary for me. That's the most important thing because I think so much of what we do just kind of that authoritarian kind of protrition, like I'm going to tell you what to do because I know better because I went to X amount of years of school, which you can get why someone gets at that point and thinks that, but it's just not abundantly helpful. And if the kind of premise of a lot of this, that there are subtle factors or factors that maybe aren't subtle, but are related to each other that we're not aware of, you know, how good is a top down approach going to be to account for all of those things.

So yeah, I mean, that's super important, dude, like that, that level of attention kind of partnership is like, that's what it's a, that's what health should be about. I mean, it gets back to the thing without growing the weed plant for the person. That's going to be better than the strain you're just picking up commercially because it's a high sativa and they say that's going to, you know, make your wig stay up a little bit longer. So yeah, dude, I mean, that's a hugely important point. I would love to do another one of these in the not too distant future, just because I think there's so much ground we could cover related to psychedelics and a lot of these other things and how this stuff kind of crosses over.

If people want to find out more about you, not just your coaching, but your music, I'll point them in the direction, obviously, with links and stuff like that, but now that they're listening, where should they go? Sure. Well, first of all, I'd love to do another show like this. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. You dive a little bit deeper on anything you want. Yeah. Yeah. But David dash cramps, K R A N T Z dot com is my site for all of my coaching and health information, and I've got some blog articles and videos that people can watch. And then my music, personal music is few texture, F U T X T U R E. If you type that in, I'm on SoundCloud, I'm on Bandcamp, all the major, I'm on Spotify, you know, whatever.

Choose your, choose your, your source of musical dissemination and then for some of the brainwave entrainment and more meditation type music that I've created, I have a company called inter depth audio that's inter depth audio.com and we have a five minute free sample of one of the relaxation programs, people can download and, you know, there's, there's a range of a couple of different programs that are designed for different things as well on there. Well, I think it's a, it's a testament to what you're doing and your skill in doing it because your output is not only the high and volume, it's, it's quality too.

Like, and I really do mean that like I just went on a Facebook on following binge over the past two. I'm not even joking. Dude, I've unfollowed like 200, 300 people and they're not even like offensive. I'm just like, I don't need this on my feet anymore. And I'm constantly and consistently entertained with not only what you put out there, but like diving deeper into it is like, holy shit, this is like well thought out, good stuff. And you know, that's what we all need more in our lives. So I appreciate it. All right. Question time. What's your favorite color? Oh, man, you know, it's always been blue.

It's always been been like, I guess aquamarine kind of blue. Yeah. Yeah. And in the last couple of years, I'm going to give you, I'm not going to give you a simple answer. In the last couple of years, I've been really engaging with the color red and learning to like red because for whatever reason, I just earlier in my life did not like the color red and was kind of avoid it towards it. And, you know, I've been playing around with what happens when I wear red and kind of play with the opposite of my natural favorite color. That is a really cool thing to do. It's like practical magic when you actually change kind of what you're not because that's my favorite color is aquamarine blue, too, if I'm like, yeah, yeah.

And if I'm making anything, that's where I'm a Miami dolphins fan, which is just the fun, horrible existence, but yeah, I, I, that's interesting. That's where I like, I love those things to like go against your tendencies. It's just like, it just shifts it. So great. So what's your favorite number? Favorite number? Yeah. Five. Five. We do not get a lot of fives. Very interesting. Very interesting. What is your favorite animal? Man, weirdly, maybe a groundhog if I had to choose. Why a groundhog? Because I fucking love it. They're so cute. They're super cute. And I had, I had this really crazy experience once where, and this was like, when I first started meditating, when I first went to college, there was these botanical gardens in school, and I was just learning about meditation and I would go buy the little stream there and like, listen to the stream and meditate.

And the, I had, I had this one time, I like opened my eyes and there was a woodchuck or groundhog sitting three feet away from me just staring at me. Holy shit. Yeah, we like locked eyes and like had like a minute of like, whatever that was. And so I don't know, since then I've just had an affinity for groundhogs and I really wish that they were, I don't know, I could have one as a pet or like, aren't they kind of big or? Yeah, they're pretty big. They're bigger than people think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're related to the capybara. Oh, that's huge. That's huge. Oh shit. There's a lot of them here in North Carolina, but I see them all the time, like outside of the road and stuff.

Yeah. Dude, I, I love it. I love your answers. They're really fucking cool. Last question. What's a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you could share with people who are listening? Could be anything. I'm going to go kind of general here and just say, stay curious and be willing to follow whatever it is that really peaks your interest and giving, you know, I found that I've had difficulty like shifting paths like when I was talking about like, you know, chain kind of changing for music to coaching like having the sense of like guilt around, you know, I should be doing this or I should be doing that and really sitting with that and saying like, no, it's okay to really just follow this and get obsessed with it, you know, like just the following that curiosity, I think it's so important and I think there's certain reasons why it's, you know, not necessarily socially encouraged in modern society, like do that and have that as a primary leading factor in what you're doing with your time.

But I would say, you know, for me, the biggest thing has been curiosity and really allowing myself to engage with whatever comes up in that part. So I just encourage people to stay curious and follow those moments of hey, this seems pretty cool. It makes a tremendous amount of sense when you think about it and it occurred to me when you were saying this, that curiosity is not only important because it keeps you engaged with things, but it also is kind of directly related to intuition, right? What you're curious in, there's a relationship there to your intuition and one of the things that our culture does do a very good job of is stamping out any idea of intuition and by proxy curiosity, right?

Although it would be a terrible disaster for society as we know it, if everyone just pursued what they were interested in. But dude, that's such a good tip. I really, man, I am so happy you reached out and did this. And it's, let's do another one pretty damn soon because this has been great. Yeah, absolutely. Man, sounds great. Super fun talking to you and yeah, look forward to the next one here. Cool, man. Take it easy. Take it easy. Peace. Thanks for listening to that episode, past the music. Go check out David and all of his destinations. You heard them there at the end. I'll have links in the episode, David-Crantz.com.

Also, if you texture, his music is very awesome, really well done. Just go check him out. He's really doing some cool stuff and there's a lot of people who kind of do a different permutation of the same thing when we're talking about consciousness and our explorations and how all this stuff relates to just our daily lives. You know, you're going to get a little different shadings of things. I really do believe what David is doing is substantially different and unique and cool. So he's worth tuning into, especially if you enjoyed this episode. Big thanks to everyone who's supporting the show. Listen, if you've gotten this far, do me a favor.

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