Lacey Is Free

[ Music ] >> Welcome to Synchronicity. I have one of my favorite people on today, Lacey Free. She is incredible. Go check her out. There are links to all of our stuff in the show notes. Everywhere else you would want to find them on syncpodcast.com. We have a wonderful conversation. She's just like one of the coolest people I know. And she seems like she's doing really great, which I love to hear. Just, I can't say enough how cool and awesome and just how wonderful it is to hear her voice. For those who know her, she's been on the show a few times, you know, her vibe. She's amazing. We originally connected through JESSA.

Just a great person. I think you're going to enjoy this conversation. I don't have to say too much more about it. Welcome to 2024. It's going to be a good year. We have a lot of fun stuff coming up. It's going to be really cool. Readings are open. We are going to be doing the Group Imaginal Act. Either this month or next month. I'm not sure. I was going to send out an email at the end of the year. Just letting people know it's happening. But I was like, you know what? It's the end of the year. Everyone's kind of winding down. They're buying gifts and all this stuff. Let's just send it out at the beginning of January.

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It's a good time. So yeah, that's all I got to say. Welcome to 2024. It's going to be a good one without further ado. Here is my good friend, Lacey free. You see, thank you for checking in here on the first day of 2024. It's New Year's Day. We got fresh new energy coming in. Thanks for coming on. Happy new year, Noah. How are you? Oh, how am I? Oh, Ram Das has this quote that I'm going to totally fuck up. But yeah, like I'm going to really fuck this up, but there's a general essence of Ram Das in this quote. And it's that the world is completely tragic and sad. Therefore I am completely tragic and sad as well as the world is full of so much fucking beauty and pleasure and I am simultaneously full of beauty and joy and pleasure and both of those things exist in my body right now.

Yeah, that feels pretty accurate for what we're in right now. It feels like that's definitely the vibe. It's the duality. I guess like for me, like I've become acutely aware of that as well. For the past few years, like there is this kind of dichotomy between extreme awesomeness, beauty, harmony, love, and then just like the horrible tragedy of the flip side of that coin, right? Like, and that's just where we find ourselves in this planet. And I guess trying to appreciate both aspects of that is kind of what it feels like a lot of people who are sensitive to this stuff. That's the way I'd put it, um, are kind of having to come to terms with or figure out how to like exist in that in a graceful way.

That kind of feels like the, the practice that a lot of us are being put through. And it's not easy. I'll tell you that. It's not always easy. I wish it was a little easier. Yeah, I feel like what I think about it, I make it a lot harder just in myself. And to me, it doesn't even feel like a flip side anymore. It feels like, oh, there's tragedy in this moment and there's extreme joy in this moment. And they're starting to feel less opposite to me, if that makes any sense. Yeah, just like the same thing. It's simple. Can you describe that? Like how I think I still am playing the game of opposites, right?

Even though I know it's not like a true game, it's not a real thing. It's not like actually what's going on, but I still kind of perceive things as like good and bad, even though I know they're the kind of the same thing. But like, what does it feel like when you're acutely aware that they're the same thing? Like what is like, what does day to day existence look like and feel like for you? Yeah. So I feel like a lot of spirituality and a lot of religion is still based on the model of punishment and reward. And that there's these hidden messages that if something tragic happens in your life, if there's any sort of suffering that is bad, or it means that maybe you're not in alignment or maybe you're not in the highest frequency you could be.

And if you change your frequency, your external reality would change. And there's truth to that. But something that's really occurred to me in 2023 is that our suffering is not an escape room. Our suffering doesn't come along so that we can figure out a way to hack our frequency really fucking fast. And I think that's how, at least I'm speaking for me. And I think that's how I've spent the majority of my life is like getting hit by a semi. Metaphorically, like you didn't actually get hit by a truck. Lazy, but I mean, sometimes getting hit by a semi would actually be better. You did get hit by something though, didn't you?

I got hit by a really big truck and the jaws of life had to take me out of the car, but I was like a teenager then. And when that happened, there was so much blood in my eyes. I thought I went blind instantly. And I remember my guides came and sat behind me and by the side of me in the whole car was crushed in around me just so that there was just enough room for my body at the time. And but something that sticks out for me in that moment of what one would call suffering, if they were driving by in that moment, is like instantly I saw my guides in that moment. Instantly, the ambulance arrived. And I remember the EMTs, the men picking up my body and putting it on that board.

Like how they were speaking words of affirmation and words of kindness. Just instantly, organically, through their heart to mine. And it sounds so fucking corny, but like in one aspect, you can see that as a moment of extreme suffering and drama. And the other aspect, it was a direct connection, such a fast, instant connection to my guides, an instant human connection. So in that moment, there was horror and tragedy. Simultaneously, there was beauty and healing and connection. And I think all of that exists in every moment. That's just a dramatic example. No, no, I think it while it is a dramatic example.

I mean, I do think that that is accurately portraying what we go through. I think one of the things I've also been kind of coming to terms with, if I want to use that phrase is that, you know, I, I, for most of my life, I tend to tended to believe that like, if something was going wrong, quote unquote, or let's say I failed at something or something didn't align with my expectations or desired outcome, I would view that as a bad thing, as a negative thing. Like something has gone wrong. This is not done, something is incorrect about this. And then I started to kind of get the message that, you know, maybe it's not.

Maybe this is actually an opportunity to kind of reassess that whole mindset as it is. Like, and this is where I started to realize, like, you know, the imaginal acts, manifestation and things like that. Yes, it's wonderful when you are in a flow state and you can instantly manifest things to your, you know, highest potential and your best vibing, high chakra, you know, whatever you want to call it. But when things don't kind of go the way you wanted to, they also kind of are, they also kind of are presenting you an aspect of reality that I do believe, like we didn't come to a world where everything is great all the time, like that.

We can all agree with, there's very few things that everyone can agree on. I think we can all agree on that. Yes, on one level, everything is amazing and it's beautiful. But our experience of it isn't just pure joy and bliss, right? There is suffering embedded in it. And I don't think that's a mistake. I don't think that's like a flaw of existence that we find ourselves in. I think it's more of like a curriculum, a opportunity to kind of allow ourselves to recognize what's going on here and to try to figure out amidst the tragedy, how to find the beauty that you're talking about. So even in something like that, which is such a objectively tragic, horrific circumstance, you were able to see immense beauty and kind of a higher path to spirituality in it, which is amazing, which I think a lot of people, that's just completely lost on a lot of us at times because we're so desperately trying to find the positive, like the, the best feeling stuff in the world.

And missing this wonderful depth that comes with tragedy. Like there is a beauty in tragedy itself. Like I know there's the famous story of Aldous Huxley's wife used to keep like dead and decaying flowers and organic matter in jars. Yes, it would turn into this horrible, disgusting stuff. And they'd like, why are you doing this? And she's like, it's beautiful. It's beautiful to watch this natural process unfold. We forget that this is what we're doing as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I always that always stuck with me a little bit. I love that. I've really begun to fall in love with the rotting parts of me this last year.

And the rot that exists around us, the decay, like watching what dies because every death is just a transformation. And something I've recently been trying to hold in myself is to not suffer about the suffering. There's a difference between feeling our emotions and creating a story, creating a narrative about what we're feeling. So I got really sick exactly this time last year. And like sick to the point where I like opened my eyes and then couldn't move the rest of my body. Like I couldn't walk through an airport. I had to be wheelchair through the airport and couldn't lift my head up. And a lot of other weird symptoms in there was this urge to like suffer about my physical suffering and tell myself that I've done bad or what have I done wrong to create this happen to me exactly, exactly.

And this assumption that oh, I must not have been in alignment or I must have some extreme energetic blocks to create these physical blocks. And I'm not saying that isn't true, but I'm saying in the moment it was so fucking irrelevant for me and my own physical healing because because talking about my own energetic blocks in that moment would put me in the space of my mind, in the space of my head. And that's different than feeling the grief that I literally needed to feel to surrender to the possibility that I might not be able to walk. And that doesn't mean that I walked around blissful and happy because I wasn't suffering about my suffering.

What it means is when I felt the grief, I screamed and cried and punched the fucking wall and yelled, but I would stop myself for the most part. When it came to stories around, why is this happening to me? What did I do wrong? Am I possessed? Is it because I've been so abused? You know, even though there may be truth to those parts of the story, but like our mind and our narrative can take us to such different timelines when really when we're sick, our body is begging us to feel what it's telling us. That's that's that is exactly. I often say that like we get multiple opportunities to process energy, right?

The first one we're presented with is on the spiritual plane, right? Can we learn these wise lessons that are we're getting these big cosmic opportunities to process things? The second is the psychological level, right? This is the kind of mental intellectual processing. This is a very difficult one to actually process stuff, but we are presented this opportunity. The third is the emotional where we actually feel the process you're describing of feeling the suffering and allowing yourself to experience it. And then the fourth is the physical. And if you pass up all those previous opportunities, your body is literally going to go, Hey, listen up, you're fucked right now.

You're going to feel some physical shit because you're not paying attention. And I got to wake you up. And this is the way I'm going to do it because you're not going to be able to take your mind, your feelings or your psychological stories off of this. But what you're talking about is what the Buddhist refer to as the second arrow, right? So you get shot with an arrow that sucks, right? No one wants to get shot with an arrow. It's fucking terrible. But the second arrow is lamenting the fact and coming up with that entire narrative of how awful it is that you got shot with an arrow, which is the additional layer of suffering that we tend to place on ourselves.

And like for a lot of what I talk about and just have gone through of my life, it's so much about tuning our vibrations, which is another way of saying catching a mood or suggesting a mood or an idea or a feeling to ourselves and being able to believe that. But if you're constantly telling yourself stories about why everything is so fucked up or why things are so bad and this is the reason that this shit is happening to you. Number one, you can't do what you said, which is feel the feelings, which is the point of the stuff we're going through. That is the human experience to feel the feelings. But you also have very little opportunity to shift your energy to a place that actually allows you to feel the relief or satisfaction or fulfillment that many of us like naturally move towards.

And while that may not be our entire experience of existence, it is something we're also learning at the same time too. Like we do want the feeling of satisfaction and fulfillment and sometimes just processing grief, sorrow, shame, sadness, anger, these types of things are like we push that away because it's not culturally appropriate, societally accepted. But like we have to process that stuff if we want to have any opportunity of actually becoming aligned in a way that feels authentic for us. So yeah, I mean, what you're saying about the psychological stories is like very, very important. Yeah.

And you said something just now you said something about our physical body kind of like yelling out to us that we're not paying attention to it. Yeah. And to me, that part like really hurt me while I was experiencing the pain in my physical body, because I'm like, what I was paying attention to you. What I was listening to you. The moment I got sick is like the time I was living on a ranch, like a commune. Yeah, I spoke to you back then. You're like, I'm living on a ranch. So like this sounds awesome. Yeah. I was like lifting bales of hay in the morning and like had community. And I was doing a lot of birth work and helping mamas and like babies.

And it just felt like such an embodied physical experience as well as doing reading still and that felt very embodied. So when something went awry with my body, I was like, well, what the fuck? I was listening to you and I had rage around that because because I've been studying my whole life about the metaphysical, the connection between the physical body and the lyric field. And so when that happened, I did create dialogue with myself and dialogue is a little different than narrative. So dialogue with myself is like me just asking questions to my body. Like what the fuck is happening right now?

And sometimes the answer for my body is shush, Lacey. Just be quiet right now. Just hold me right now. And I've been sick for a whole year and I shouldn't say like, like in the presence because I'm way better now. But but there was different phases of the dialogue. And first, it was like, just be quiet and hold me. And then the second part of the dialogue is like, you've actually never been held, Lacey. It's not that you weren't paying attention to your body. It's not that you were ignoring yourself. It's that you didn't come here to just live in an individual life. You didn't actually come here to just be a strong independent woman who can lift bales of hay on a farm.

You actually need to be held. And how are you going to be held right now and who is going to hold you? And it got to the point where I was like drowning. Drowning can't talk. Drowning is good. Drowning is cool. I was deeply lost at sea looking for a life raft. And so I had to like reach out wherever I could for people to hold me. When really I've lived most of my life, like not wanting to be touched. Not even wanting to shake hands, too much eye contact, not for me. But once you get to a certain point of sickness, you realize you're not independent in this life and that no one is. Yeah. And each of us come to this moment of dependence on the other or moments.

And I could see that as something horrific, but it turned into something beautiful and I finally learned how to lean into a hug. And I'm talking about a literal hug. I've spent most of my life when people come for the hug. Like my family members who make fun of me and they call they say I hug like a goat and it's because I like kind of bend my head down and ram them because it's hard to like look up and open my heart chakra and my throat chakra when someone's coming near me and I can hold space for the other so well. And I learned that I learned, I don't know, I can't talk right now. That's all good.

I developed the skill of holding space for the other in a life of physical abuse. But never did I learn how to be like rock to sleep. And I think sometimes in our most tragic moments, it's it's to invoke attention from the other. And we see that as such a negative thing in our culture, like, oh, this girl is being loud for attention or this person's talking about suicide for attention. Or this person got sick for attention. Well, attention is love. Attention is the highest form of currency that exists in our world. And we all need it. And if you've grown up without it, there's nothing fucking wrong with your being screaming out for attention, whether it's if you're too loud at a party or you accidentally overshare or your body starts breaking down because it needs to be held.

Yeah, no, that's that's incredibly important. Like it's interesting to how a lot of us, I'll put myself in this category who are pretty good at holding space for other people and allowing them to kind of process and go through what they go through also sometimes have a difficult time accepting that from other people. It's almost like there's a direct correlation between your ability to kind of not for everyone, of course, but for a lot of us, like we can be a rock or a space or rock someone to sleep. But when it comes to ourselves, like it is sometimes very difficult to actually allow that because there's a vulnerability there.

And right if you've been abused in any capacity or just have that relationship where you don't feel that you can trust, it's hard to kind of take that step and allow yourself to be vulnerable in a state where you could be rocked to sleep as you put it. And it's just it's interesting how our quote unquote problems and issues directly point to the opposite, which is the solution or the things or the areas of our life that we're trying to work on. And I think a lot of it is recognizing that like, that's not a mistake. That's not a flaw. That's not a fucked up quality of existence. It's just a functional aspect that can really show us some deep important things about ourselves.

And then the other thing you mentioned that I think is really important because these are all the downloads I've been getting about 2024, 2526, 27. It's so much more about coming together as community, as small groups of people, as larger groups of people, because we don't find ourselves in a planet where it's our isolated existence. Yes, we only have our consciousness and our own individual filter that we perceive the world through, but there are all these other beings around us. And again, that's not a mistake. It's not a weird kind of fuck up of reality. It's that there's a reason those people are around and that connection that we can uncover the kind of divinity in others and in ourselves at the same time is like actually a pretty elegant structure for recognizing that, not some weird fucking mistake or aberration about like how things are in the world.

Like, oh, it's so horrible that this is, it's like, no, this is an opportunity. Like, this is a wonderful opportunity. Yeah. And you said that, well, a lot of people have said this to me. And it's like, Oh, you don't know how to receive love. You don't know how to receive help. And that, that notion, that question, I fucked myself up with that a lot. Because I'm like, am I pushing help away? Am I sabotaging of relationships? And then it got to this point where I felt like I was keeping a scorecard and calculating my relationships and interactions. And I'm like, Oh, what did I do wrong? Because this person doesn't love me.

And what came up for me in that with also, I went to school for social work and psychology. And we took courses on counseling for marriage, like couples counseling. And there would always be someone in the relationship who felt. OK, I'm fucking this part up. But there was, there's always like a maximizer and a minimizer in the relationship. Someone who's trying to maximize the time, the connection and someone who's trying to minimize it, you know, like sort of the avoidant and the connection. And I felt like I was just sort of a maximizer with everyone trying to like maximize it, trying to create the best experience because I was so hyper aware of what people in the spiritual community would sort of preach about.

And it's this energy of like, can you receive? You can't receive. And I don't know if that made any sense at all. No, no, no, it makes total sense, total sense. But there was this energy of like, even that I've been punishing myself for of thinking that, Oh, maybe I just don't have love in my life because I'm not on the frequency to be able to receive. And I'm not saying that isn't true. But the deeper question is, why am I on that frequency? Because it's not coming from a place of logical choice. I don't wake up and say, Oh, I don't want to be with this person. Or I'm pushing this person away who's trying to show up and nurture me.

Because the majority of my life, there weren't people showing up to nurture me. And I think a lot of people live extremely lonely lives where they would say that they don't have anyone to show up and nurture them. Yeah. And when you grow up in like violence and extreme sexual abuse, we've all seen people who've grown up in those environments. And we see the pattern of that person ending up in toxic relationships romantically. And all of us question like, well, why is that person with the abuser? Why is that person with a narcissist who isn't loving them fully? Well, for me, I had never been in a situation to fully experience the frequency of love because I grew up with addicts and my extended family was also on that frequency.

How could I imagine in my body and in my mind, a reality of the frequency of love when I had never felt it before? That's right. And I, and I, I didn't realize that I was giving love out, but had no clue what love felt like in my body until I got incredibly fucking sick. And when I got incredibly sick, I just had to reach out to whose ever arm was closest and I saw some people pull away. And there was a moment when people pulled away from me or looked at me like I was a tragedy or assumed I couldn't really be magic or a witch. One person in the spiritual community was like, wow, Lacey, this is really off brand for you.

And, but it felt true, you know, there was truth to that word, you know, so like I was pissed to hear that, but I was also like, Oh, maybe I'm not fucking magic. And I had to grab these arms around me and I realized my closest confidants, the people who were willing to pull me out of the water were the people I shared art with. So like I have a podcast or a pod and people who've listened to that podcast for years just started donating medicine and herbs and like anything I needed to heal myself because Jessa, Jessa Reid put out like a call to action. And I wouldn't be alive right now if Jessa didn't fucking throw me a life raft and gather troops to throw me life rafts.

And because these people showed up for me, I had no other option than to start feeling the frequency of love in my body's right. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that like we give ourselves such some of us give ourselves a dramatic experiences and scenarios to like open ourselves up to whatever it is we are desiring to open up to in this case, receiving love. It's like, why couldn't it just be like a more gentle lesson of this? Why couldn't it be like an intellectual understanding? But then we do we put ourselves through these dramatic experiences of loss, right? And in one way or the other, whether that's the loss of health, the loss of finances, the loss of relationship, the loss of career, whatever it is, it's just a fundamental kind of cyclical pattern that so many of us just play at the extreme levels. But again, like, I think when you try to fight that or resist that, that's when it doubles back and like punches in you in the face, like twice as hard. And it is just a matter of being like, Oh, here's that thing again. Here's that part of my life where this thing is happening.

Like I don't have to a fully invest this as the most serious thing, even though it is serious, right? Like when you're so sick that you can just open your eyes and can't move your body and get wheeled around an airport, that's like, that is a serious thing. But on another level, it's our reactions to those things that really determine what we get out of those experiences. So I'm just I'm happy to hear that, you know, after a year, your A doing a lot better, but be like recognized some of the opportunities and kind of magic that was embedded in this experience for you, because that to me is what it really is about at the end of the day.

Yes, there are many lessons you can take from this, you know, a lot of different things, but that opportunity for kind of like integrating or holistically processing who you are as a being is like, that's why we do this game. That's why we're here and playing this weird, crazy existence, humanity type of deal that we're doing. So I mean, I think the reason I like having these conversations so much is we think people can forget that when they're actually going through this stuff, like it's so easy to get caught up in the experience of suffering, whatever your experience is at the moment when you're going through it. But just hearing that there is a different way of processing stuff, even no matter how acutely you are in the throes of suffering, is that is a lifeline for a lot of people, right? That is the kind of thing that helps people at least see the possibility of the light at the end of the tunnel.

Yeah. And I don't, okay, are you ready for this? No, I'm ready. I don't think I chose it either. And I don't know that I'm here choosing all of my levels in the video game. I think there's multiple levels of manifestation. And I think that our higher self chooses for us. Oh, for sure. We choose our present self chooses for us and our lower self chooses for us. And sometimes our higher self makes these fucking wild choices that we want to bat against, or we think we should manifest from the energy of our present self. But like, if I consistently manifested from the energy of my present self and got my manifestations instantly, in this moment, I would be so pissed. Because you know how, like off the mark, my ego, sometimes, but like my higher self sees the bigger picture.

And I think sometimes in the energy of manifestation, we lose grip of the energy of faith. And like faith that, okay, this is happening. Okay, I can surrender. Okay, I can ride this wave. Because I believe of what's on the other side. And maybe what's on the other side is more fucking darkness. And I've always been like this huge advocate for feeling your darkness and seeking darkness in a way. But I've never been more love and light than when I woke up and could only see darkness, you know, like we praise the other when we need praise. We preach God when we need God. Those who scream of peace or pray for peace. Those are the ones who need peace the most. You know, isn't that weird how we do that?

So so like, one thing that came up is it doesn't mean I'm totally out of control, even though I'm not dictating my video game from the presence of choice in this moment. What it means is again, the energy of dialogue and to have dialogue with my higher self, as I'm in the hospital getting an MRI, you know, and like making peace with the raw or making peace of my whole life changing in an instant. I just like talk to my higher self. And that provides me comfort. And my higher by doing that, my higher self shows me secret necessities in the moment to let me know that I can have faith of how the path is unfolding. And I would also argue that even in what looked like suffering, I like wasn't really suffering. And that might be debatable because there were lots of days I was like crying on the floor. So you might think I was really suffering. But I remember at a certain point when my body was really out of low, I was like staying with friends who were like taking care of me. And we were just laughing. Like my life was waking up and laughing with my friends and going bad after laughing with my friends all day. And then like holding my hand and making me food and us drinking tea together. And I had these other two friends who were like going through a breakup and had lots of drama. And they kept calling me about it at the same point when I was sick. And I didn't have a lot of energy for them. But how they would start every call was like, we know you're really suffering right now. But this person said this and this person's doing this. And I was just like, no, guys, you're suffering right now. Like, I'm okay. My body's hurting. But like, I'm okay. The suffering is where we go mentally. It's like the drama, the chatter. Exactly. It's not necessarily the dark experiences we encounter in a moment. No, it's almost specifically not. And that's kind of the trick of like living life is that you realize like, your thoughts are very transient. They come and go. I mean, if we could count the amount of thoughts we have in a day, it's in like the dozens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, it's just like insurmountable how many are coming at us. And we are not those, right? There is that what you're referring to as the higher self, right? Like this aspect of our being, we know what it feels like. And when we're out of resonance with it, it's that's precisely when our life starts to feel more constricted and more contracted and your blinders get on. And you can only focus on these limited bands of suffering or whatever it is going on in your life. And that just makes your world very small. And when your world is that small, it's difficult to be open to that broader connection that so many of us like really put a premium on when we get down to it that like being with friends, being with family, like being able to share the experience of the good and the bad is like what we're doing here. But when we just reduce it to our own personal narratives about how shitty everything is, and now here's the other shoe is going to drop and all this stuff, like that's when we perpetuate these situations that quite frankly, many of us would not want to be in, right? We wouldn't choose to be in these situations. And you know, the idea of choice is is one that I find myself getting into a lot of interesting conversations with people about because, you know, choices is debated in a lot of ways, especially from our, you know, conscious mind, like how much are we actually choosing our experiences, right? And if we could just consciously select every experience we want, you know, many of us, like you said, we wouldn't want that we think we would, but specifically like when it comes to like, you know, outlying exactly what we want, we're terrible at it, right? Which is why I tend to tell people when it comes to any of the imagined or manifestation stuff is, don't focus on the specifics focus on the feeling, right? The feeling that you're craving can be reliably trusted, right? That feeling of satisfaction or peace or equanimity or joy or fulfillment, you can trust those feelings. But does it need to be related to a specific person to a place that you're living to a car to money to whatever it is? No, it doesn't. You wouldn't care as long as you have the feeling, it doesn't matter what that looks like at the end of the day. So it's important to kind of step away from being so attached to specific outcomes and then allowing these things to happen. And the other word you mentioned, which is one of my favorite words, and I think it's wildly misunderstood by many people, is faith, right? Faith to me is just loyalty to the unseen world.

Yeah, that's all it is. That's quite literally what it is. You cannot perceive it with your senses. You can't see it. You can't touch it. You can't smell it. You can't taste it. Can't feel it. But it's there. And when you can trust in that, then that wonderful expectancy comes in. And that's where things get interesting. And that's where those magical synchronicities that reaffirm the path you're on tend to propagate and proliferate. And that's to me, like one of the most fun parts of being alive is when you put yourself on that track of kind of magical things and miraculous things happening to you. But it does require like a firm persistence in being loyal to loyal to what you can't see, right? And that's that can be difficult for people. Yeah. Oh, but it's such a juicy, fun dance to be loyal to what you can't see. And you talked about the energy of like some, some people like choosing really dramatic scenarios to learn the lesson. Yeah. And you could definitely look at me as one of those people that had some wild rides in this day, like beautiful ones and terrifying ones. But it's, it's so much the energy of the dark goddess who goes to the underworld to, to reap the treasures of what's hidden. And we don't want to look at hospitals. We don't want to look at sick people really. Like we're all looking at war right now. But, but it's, it's this energy of like scrolling past it. And, and I wrote out that in 2023, our, our greatest internal conflicts will come would come to the surface. Like every year, I kind of do my own sort of prediction. Yeah. And I was like, all of our like greatest conflicts will come to the surface. And by that happening on an individual level, the old big conflicts, Galactically and globally will come to the surface too. And I thought like mine was illness or like, I like pictured myself like fighting on the street. Um, because I am a little dramatic and grandiose. And okay, I thought I lost you for a second. No, no, you're there. And I am a little bit, I said, I'm a little bit dramatic and grandiose than my whole computer like went for a second. But what I'm realizing is like my greatest conflict, my greatest fucking fear is that like soft intimacy of real love, of like human one on one. I'm looking into your soul. No one has power over each other. And we're just going to like sit in each other's energy right now. That is so scary to me, Noah. Just just talking to you about it makes me want to run so fucking far away.

Well, that's the good stuff when you identify those types of things. And I mean, I think embedded in that too is a high degree of presence, right? Like that requires you to be so acutely present in your body, in your mind, in your heart. And I can tell you, I didn't have really any degree of presence in my life until a year ago. And it took very dramatic circumstances of kind of like the sand castles being washed away in my hands for me to just like understand and begin to move towards being present. And I realized so many of my interactions in life, even with myself, were predicated on what's next, what's coming next? Where's the next thing? What am I doing after this? What am I going to do to alleviate this feeling? What am I going to do to feel like that? What am I going to end? And it was just like, holy shit, man, like, how are you? What are you gonna? This is your constant vibe. When you're done with your life, when you're at the end of your life, what are you going to be looking back on? Just a series of feelings and thoughts related to the future, which is now going to come to an end in this particular like linear timeline. And I was like, shit, I do not want this. And so like what you're talking about is just being like acutely with someone or present with them and like locking and having that human connection. Like, that is, it is scary for a lot of people. I think it's jarring to hear the from someone that that may be like one of their biggest fears, but it's probably one of the most authentic and true things that people could say, like if they're really being honest with themselves, because it does it, it requires you to not only be okay with the other person to some degree, but you have to be okay with yourself, right? You have to be able to trust and feel safe with yourself, which for a lot of us, if we're being honest, isn't the easiest thing to do at all times. It can be very difficult.

Yeah, and you have to believe your worth love. Totally deserving of it. Yeah. And I don't believe that I've spent most of my life, like truly not believing that. And then the answer from everyone else is, we'll just believe that we'll just love yourself. And I'm like, but what the fuck does that mean? Because I'm showing up for my body. I'm showing up for my mental health. I'm showing up for my magic spirit self. But what does it like actually mean to love myself? And again, it comes back to like, have you felt the frequency of love? And I just am like kind of mind blown right now, but I don't think I felt it until very recently.

Yeah. Well, I, yeah, go ahead. And I think we I sound very convoluted when talking about the energy of manifestation. But I just think it's so layered. And I think it's so fucking real. And even though we're not choosing from our present self, we can work in coordinates with our guides and our higher self, to like put us on so many timelines. But for the people who do feel like they're constantly entering a timeline of lack or insecurity, or of non love, like I do believe some of us experience a lot of those timelines. Because we're we're supposed to transform it within ourselves. But that's right. But that doesn't always mean that we just jump on a positive timeline after that.

No, even if you make that jump cut, it's very rarely sustainable because you didn't kind of go through the steps and revelations that allow it to be fully integrated in your being. And that's why you see a lot of people who manifest these amazing things. And then it kind of just like evaporates. And it doesn't actually evaporate. I don't want to make that seem like that's really what's going on. But like you do have to go through the process of like feeling your feelings. If you really want actionable change that's sustainable. And that's a huge part of kind of where I've been focusing my energy is like, yes, you can manifest whatever you want, whenever you want. In fact, you're doing it, whether you want to or not, like that's just happening. But how do we consciously suggest things to that greater part of ourselves or subconscious or higher self, whatever we'd like to refer to it as, how do we suggest things to ourselves that also allow us to experience it as like a true revelation as a true kind of like piece of wisdom that we can consciously comprehend to the degree that we can. And that to me is like where the emerging game is coming from. It's interesting, like you mentioned a lot about 2023 and kind of, you know, how it was going to reveal these deeper things inside of ourselves. And that was absolutely my experience of it. And I think for a lot of other people, I'm curious, it's fitting on the first day of the year, what do you see 2024 kind of being about?

I see it as integrating all of the tumultuousness we've experienced. And which is such a bullshit lame answer. But it's like, it's, it's how deep can you hold your soul? Like how tight can you form? Like, can you form a tight bond with this higher self? Can you be held by beings who don't exist on this earthly plane? I think 2024 is truly us in our superpowers. And knowing that what we've considered being human is mythology. Like all the fucking wackiness of the news and reality right now, there's tragedy in it. But then there's also like comedy and this beautiful side that I fucking love because it's just showing you on such a deep level that you can't believe in the external institution more than you believe in yourself. Totally. And there's this energy of it's self centered. It's wrong to believe you're a god. It's it's it's it's egotistical to believe you're a god. I see blasphemous. Yeah. I see 2024 is us truly deciding if you're a fucking god or not. Do you move the reality as a video game to collect magic to collect gems? Whether it's the video game where the level where you're suffering or the level where you're in fucking paradise, because we're gonna all experience multiple levels. But the question is, are you a god in that level? Are you picking up the gems in that level? Even if you lose that level and have to start over? So I think 2024 is really like, are you magic or not?

Yeah, I like how you put it like it's a question too. It's not like, Oh, this is the year you find out you're a god. That's not really what it is. It's like posing that question to yourself and really like, honestly, giving yourself some time to process and answer it because I think a lot of us, I mean, at least, you know, what I talk about on synchronicity a lot is that you are your consciousness by definition is what the Bible and other metaphysical texts and scriptures refer to as God, like that's your consciousness. That's literally the creator of your experience quite literally. And that therefore implies that you are God, you are divine, but actually, intellectually, knowing that is very different than qualitatively feeling and experiencing it. And I think the more you can ask yourself that question and whether you really believe it is important, because the second you don't believe that, then you're in the realm of secondary causes. Then you're in the realm of, Oh, I have just something else has control over my existence and my life. It's not me. It's this, it's not me. It's that person's not me. It's the economy, whatever it is. And that's just a very ultimately unsatisfying and unfulfilling game to play because it's not true. Like that is absolutely not true. And some people when they hear that they get discouraged because they feel like, well, okay, if I'm God, and this is like actually what's going on, then why is my life like this? Like, why is my life not the way I want it to be? Why do I feel like this? Why even if I know this, can I switch off these thoughts that are kind of showing me that like things aren't okay? And to me, what I've realized is when we get stuck in those loops, it's akin to our body screaming at us that wake up wake up wake up, it's trying to tell you that like there's something here that your attention is being asked to look at. And if you don't, you put yourself in this weird kind of like limbo or purgatory where like you are just in this perpetual state of I can't get out of this. And it's not to discourage anyone if you're not in the place of, you know, pure flow and manifestation. It's just to show you you have that opportunity to access that at any point at any given point that is always just a thought or feeling away from truly kind of like resonating at that frequency. And that to me, it least feels encouraging and inspiring. So I try to stick with that.

Yeah. And to be a God, like, I don't really know much about religion. So I might not be the best person for this, but but didn't Jesus get angry at some point? Of course, isn't doesn't God get have like feelings and emotion? And just because we have this anger, these feelings are the motion that doesn't mean we're not God. And like how I showed up for God as God for myself, in my like extreme suffering for lack of better words is is I didn't see myself as a victim in it, even though there were times where I felt victimized. And that's the difference between creating a narrative of victimization and feeling like a victim in a moment. Because when we really feel it, we can release that feeling of victimization. But like how I showed up as a God for myself is like, okay, Lacey, you feel victimized in this moment right now. And everything in this moment is all moments, because time doesn't exist. So there's a root of this victimization that is bigger than you, Lacey, that is beyond you. And there's the root of what caused it in your body. So you feel victimized by being sick right now. Well, the body keeps the score. And your body has been brutalized since you were in the womb. So it makes sense that when you became an adult, and got to this point of security within yourself, that it was now safe for your body to fucking break down. So how I showed up as God for myself was I was being the God for that little girl who had been brutally raped, because she has been surviving. She's been told her whole life, it's not okay to be a victim, and you have to be a survivor. So part of me being a survivor was just like running on a treadmill, and not looking back and hacking my reality and learning to jump timelines, learning to manifest, becoming a yoga teacher, becoming a birth doula, working with a midwife, it's like hacking birth, hacking death. But simultaneously, I'm running and running and running and never being taught how to go back and truly hold that baby. I knew how to tell people to do that for themselves, but I didn't do it for myself.

Yeah, what comes to mind when you're saying that too, it's one of my favorite things with the imaginal stuff is this concept of revision, which is where you go back into past memories and experiences and replay them in your imagination, but change the emotional and actual perception of what happened. And it has this amazing power and ability to loosen up your present conception of self. And one of the things that like was very transformative for me when I was doing this a few years ago, is I went back to like a five year old version of myself. And I found that version I saw him clearly in front of me. And I just went up and gave him a huge hug. And I was like, I love you, everything is okay, like it's gonna be fine. I know you may be scared now. I know you may not feel right. I know you may not be trusting, whatever it is, but like, I'm here from the future.

All is well, you're awesome. You have a lot of awesome people in your lives and just gave like a genuine heartfelt hug to myself. And while it sounds cliche and corny and new aging and all of those things, I really encourage people to try it because it is there's such a powerful cathartic element to that that when you can offer yourself that you'd be surprised how quickly it can alter your current conceptions of self, like it is a very powerful activity. And for people who've been through incredible trauma, like you're describing, I'd say it's especially important to at least try that not to relive the trauma, but to just allow yourself to kind of offer yourself a hand of peace and like tranquility, because like you said, time really doesn't exist the way we perceive it, right? We have these clocks and calendars measuring everything, but it is very easy to alter your perception of time with just a few drops of this or a few grams of that. So you can prove it to yourself. But also, like, we just know from like the quantum realm and all the modern scientific findings that time is relative. It is not this fixed thing that just marches on in perpetuity towards the destination. It is a very wonky, weird kind of dimension that we don't fully understand. And so when we go in our imaginations, when we go in our consciousness and our awareness and start altering aspects of things that have happened to us in our past, or our future, it really does affect us in the present moment. And it can be a very simple, but powerful thing that we can play around with.

And the key there is playing with it. Don't make it this big, serious fucking thing. It's a game. Make it a game. Yeah, but have you played have you played a video game? I've played a few, not very not very many. And I don't and I'm not good at video games. The few I've played. No, I get so angry and I'm and I scream because I am psychotically competitive. And I don't want to lose and part and part of like being in that video game is like, yeah, you take it seriously when you're in that level. And yeah, totally. But like simultaneously, I don't think I've laughed as much as like I laughed when I was with my friends in this experience. And I preached like part of me is so annoyed by this podcast for joining in this moment. Because I feel like I'm just saying the same bullshit. I was preaching at the beginning of the pandemic and it's like, go talk to your younger self, go talk to your younger self. And I have, I do these holographic healing sessions and almost all of them, we go back to timelines of that person's younger self and we bring them healing. And by doing that, you know, we heal that past timeline and heal our current timeline simultaneously.

But the, but I wasn't doing it for me. That's the thing. I was preaching it. I was being hypocritical. I was thinking I was good. And I wasn't fully doing it for me, but I couldn't do it for me by myself. And there's this notion. And I think like on the feminine to especially like millennial feminists, there's this notion of like, independent woman, independent woman, cut off the people who've been toxic in your life. There's no such thing as cutting out the toxic people in your life. There's no such thing as actual cord cutting, because we are each other. And these cords are constantly going to be weaved through. Yeah, their representations of who you are too. That's like, that's one of the inconvenient truths of recognizing your God or your God is that you can't blame anyone else. You can't say this is this person's fault. There are a representation and reflection of you quite literally. So if you're going to say this is well, this person did this to me and maybe they objectively did I'm not discounting that. But you're you're forever trapped in this hall of mirrors where you're just pointing the figure finger at another figure in the mirror and saying, Oh, it's that person, but it's just you're pointing out yourself, like at the end of the day. Yeah, and that person might represent something that doesn't align with you anymore. That person might represent a fucking darkness in your ancestry or your past. And you may not feel safe to interact with them in everyday life. And that's okay. But to think that you can just do this like candle ritual and the cord is gone. No, because you can still feel them. But like some magic I've been doing with the cords with people who I felt, I felt the tragedy of our connection is like putting literal different colors on the cord between me and them. And sometimes that's just like crystal light, which sounds so love and light because it is because part of me is that. But like, I can bring healing to the cord that simultaneously brings healing to that person and to me. So I can like envision myself healing with their higher self. I can go into another dimension and have conversations with their higher self. I think a lot that comes back or a lot of this comes back to the energy of dialogue of asking questions.

Why am I connecting with this person? Why is there tragedy between me and this person? And right now I just feel this might be stupid of me. But I feel like I can hold space for anyone right now and everyone. And I have coming out of this dark tunnel. I have this like extreme love for the individual human. Because I see each, I'm not like a math person. But when I download right now, everything's coming to me in numbers and in math. And I'm like literally seeing people as this collect, like the individual as this collection of numbers. And we start out with these beautiful souls. And then the matrix programs, all these different numbers into us. And based on that person's numbers, they're operating from a program. And sometimes we hear people running their programs.

And it triggers our program. It triggers our number. But like my guide showed me it's because we have an equation between us that needs solved. Like if I'm triggered by another person, it's because we're actually supposed to solve something together. But doesn't mean you put yourself in unsafe situations or you get abused. But for me, it's this practice of extreme radical acceptance of everyone, of every opinion, not this side or that side. It's like, I see your soul, like you want to break out of the matrix, quit believing other people's programs quit believing other people's numbers and radically accept their soul. And you both break free from the matrix.

Because that is intimacy. And intimacy is what breaks us out of the program. True connection. You know, it's funny. Like, I will say this, just in this conversation that we've had, we've done a few of these. There is a qualitative difference in kind of what you're communicating and what you're expressing. So I just want you to know, like, I can feel that and it's very apparent to me. So it's not just the same stuff. Because I think we go through these experiences. And like we do, we start to get more in touch, we uncover the superpowers that are naturally kind of latent within us. And you are capable of holding space for anyone. And that's a very powerful and precious and sacred position to hold, because not everyone can do that, right? A lot of people can't do that. The thought of that might terrify them and make them recoil and horror. But like, it is a very powerful position.

And that connection we have with people, like the people who can facilitate communication and connection, I think are going to be the most important people in the years and decades to come. Because we can see kind of what's happening with the digital ecosystems and these layers of consciousness that are kind of fracturing our attention spans and ability to connect with people when real life are being impacted. And I think people who can cut through that and even use those platforms or spheres to kind of enhance connection and communication, just like their roles become very important. If we're using the video game analogy, if like we're in a role playing game, it's like going and finding that wise wizard or witch and learning the wisdom and teachings.

It's like the Yoda figure. You know, those are the people who are going to be revealing aspects of reality and ourselves that are fundamental for us creating a world and living in a world that not only has meaning, but allows us to feel like there is some broader connection and just, you know, something in all of us that is beautiful and is unique and is like not only worth living, but like going through all of the shit that comes with living in a dualistic universe, coming into a world of mortality and death and dying and sickness like there's I do believe this is a choice we've made before birth. And I think that's a very important choice and it's primarily and fundamentally based on love. It is a deep unconditional love we have for ourselves in this experience. And it may not always feel like that when the shit's hitting the fan in this reality, but it doesn't discount that that is something that it's based on. And I think a lot of our paths are just kind of uncovering that and being able to experience that in our waking lives, kind of waking up in this dream like existence and being aware that like, you know, we're here to connect, we're here to love, we're here to experience to kind of beauty and horror of the world and be able to do that with grace as gracefully as possible. That feels like the game that we've implanted ourselves in.

Yeah. And I think 2024 is about us knowing that you are the wizard, you are the witch. And those around you are the wizard and witch or they're NPCs. But we like when I get scared, because I'm speaking confidently right now. But I think I think the most dangerous energy we could be in in 2024 is the energy of fear. Because that will put us on some fucking rocky timelines. Also, the energy of confusion. We don't want to be confused. That's like when we're the most vulnerable to predators is the energy of confusion. Absolutely. Yeah. But like, just when I get scared, my guides are like, Lacey, be silent right now and observe the other and ask questions to the other. Because every moment is the teacher.

Every passerby is the teacher is corny as that sounds. And so I hit a place in being sick where I was like, I'm so done with this now. Okay, I'm done. Right. I'm really fucking done. And I called Jess and I was just like, I'm done with this. Like, you don't understand, Jess. You have love. You have romantic love. You don't get it. And she's like, well, you could have romantic love. And I was like, fuck you. I'm never going to have romantic love. And like, really, I'm just telling Jess that I like, go fuck herself. Because she's saying I could have love one day. How dare you get bitch. But like, I really believed I couldn't because I don't know that frequency. And not that I haven't been in relationship or fucked people. I know that frequency. But like the frequency of like truly being loved by someone, the scariest thing to me. And I'm very scared of other humans. Like, I'm talking a big game right now.

But like, my default is fear. And I have to go to that place of like, silently observing the other and asking questions. Because when you ask authentic questions of the other, the mask come off, the onion layers just start to like, fall forward. And you see someone's soul. And when you see someone's soul, all the other bullshit makes sense, murder, rape, the most horrific things. And I'm not saying like rape makes sense. But I'm saying I could make sense of my past experiences with the predators in those timelines, by going to their higher selves and asking them deeper questions about their pain, about their trauma. And does that make it okay? No. But it creates more of a resonance with that cord, because I'm still connected to the rapists.

Right. Right. So when Jessa was telling me like, yes, you can have romantic love, I was just like this bitch thinks you can manifest everything. She actually might be right. And then so I just went around to the house listening to Bashar. Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of Bashar too. That's so funny. And Rob Doss, Rob Dawson Bashar, like the only people I could listen to, when I'd go into the hospital, I spent a lot of time in the hospital this last year. I would just Blair of Rob Doss. And my guides are like, you're becoming more psychic right now. And I'm like, more psychic, who needs to be more psychic? I'm psychic enough. Like we're all a psychic, like I don't need to brush up on my skills. But so I just started like telepathically communicating to the doctors. And like cultivating who I was going to build connection with each time I walked into the hospital and doing sort of ritual in the rooms. And realizing I get called to places, or at least this is the bullshit story I'm telling myself and it might not be real. But I get called to certain places to be a sort of vacuum of the darkness and process it in my body. And my numerology really backs this up as a seven. And my human design is the projector who's supposed to learn the other backs this up too. And it's about really not judging other people's experiences as if they're choosing the darkness. But knowing that some people just chose a different level and a different role in the video game. But I think we get frustrated with those who are who are in pain. But some people came to this existence to be channelers of the grief that that others don't know how to feel yet. We can collectively process things in our body that are happening on a bigger level than us because we are each other. And when Jess said I could have romantic love, like, I wanted to fight back and argue. But then there was a part of me that was like, okay, I'll get on that timeline. Fuck you bitch. I'll get on it. Yeah. So I went around the house being like, why isn't there just like a man who wants to be with a sick person who listened to Horpod and just like knows about me so not to like explain myself. Because Horpod just kind of like my personal diary of how fucked up I am. Yep, I get it.

I do one of those two. And I just was like, I just want to be pulled away to like another timeline with someone who like already knows my soul who we don't really get to know each other. And I'm not joking. Like the next day I open to my readings again. And I'm kind of a closed off person and I have a lot of boundaries with readings and stuff. Just because I don't because I feel a lot like I don't know how to have very consistent connections with a lot of people. Yeah. On the physical plane at least. Sure. And sometimes I feel like I'm a horrific friend because I'm like bad at like responding to DMS and texts and stuff. I got it. But I did a reading that night and it was just like with this man. And I couldn't read him. And whenever I can't read someone, it's very rare. But it's like almost like my higher self is putting up like a spiritual boundary of like you don't actually get to go in this person's body. But you're supposed to dance together right now. And he was just like, you really deserve love. And we're supposed to be friends right now. And I've been listening to talk on podcasts for years. And I'm in love with your heart. Oh, and normally I'd be like, well, actually, to be honest with you, I was like stalker. Yeah, yeah, of course, everyone's natural response to something like that. I'm glad you said that, Lacey. I'm just like weirdo. You know, like, I'm just bad at like taking compliments and receiving stuff like that. And I had my cards in front of me. So I just like pulled cards for this person because I didn't know what else to do. Yeah. And it said safe travel, soulmate and divine connection with the three cards. And my my body was like, Oh, I'm like gonna like know this person. And I've already known this person. And I texted Jessa about him and Jess is like, Oh, you're gonna live with him. Just like instantly after one reading. And I thought that was a little psychotic. And then we just kept talking for months. And I was sick. And I needed someone to talk to. So I would just cry on the phone for hours every night. And he listened to me and he held me in that. And now I'm like in a full relationship with this person months later. And it's exactly what I asked for. And that's scary to say out loud, because because he could come home in an hour and decide he doesn't love me anymore. How lazy. It's just the truth. Or there could be some other weird tragedy that strikes. And when you come from a place of tragedy, happiness is scary. No, of course, love is so scary. But it's the energy of presence. Like you said, right? Like, like, we could decide tomorrow we don't like each other. We could decide we're not actually compatible. Some sort of weird tragedy could hit the earth for all of us. And we all separate and leave this plane. And when you start to feel love, it's hard not to feel grief simultaneously. When you start to feel happiness, you get your spell comes true. It's hard not to think of like, but all these things could go wrong. But all I can keep telling myself, all my guides can keep telling me now is like, yep, you might choose not to love each other in 10 minutes. But right now, you do right now for the first time. And not just because of this man, but because of my friends, because of podcasting, I can feel love in my body. It's not just something that I'm like trying to pour out of me. Because it turns out when you just pour love out of yourself, it makes you sick. Yeah, no shit.

I didn't know Noah. And there's this energy of like, you can't hold on to water. If you if you hold on to water, or try to store it, it gets stagnant, right? It becomes diseased. That's right. Water that we hold on to in our body becomes stagnation becomes disease. There's and I want to grip on to everything so bad. I like want security so bad. Even in the energy of the apocalypse, there's this like 2019 happened, and I was getting these downloads, like we need land, we need to prep, we need to get to the animals and have food storage. And then my partner reminded me the other night, he's like, he's always been seeking the mystic, the mystic himself. And he did that first in like this Christian cult. And I don't know anything about Christianity.

So he like tells me sometimes. And he's like, you know, in the Bible, it talks about like, when you store food, it, it, the maggots will be attracted to it. Like this energy of like trying to store and hold on to things can make them diseased. And when we store food that way, it's like we don't have faith of what's coming next or faith in our own abilities, or faith in the higher self or the higher being. And so 2024 is like, where is our faith? Where do we feel it in our body? Well, I'm so happy for you that you have this relationship. And yes, one of the things that can make a relationship beautiful, but also scary is yeah, I mean, it could end if feelings could change, there could be tragedy. But I don't think we should ever expect that, especially when we have something pure and beautiful going on in our lives. And the idea of the other shoe dropping or something like that, yes, be aware of it. But it's not something that should like be expected in any way. And I think you clearly are someone who is capable of giving and providing love. I'm very happy on like a very deep level that you're now beginning to be able to receive that as well, because you absolutely do deserve it. I know a lot of people who have listened to you over the years or have listened to you on my podcast, like you connect with people in such a deep way, because you are an authentic person, like you are communicating what you're going through for better or worse. And that's something that's so desperately needed these days because a lot of what we see or hear or you know, just tune into online or wherever is like their personas, their personalities, like I always look at like the meditation teachers or the spiritual people on the end, I'm like, where where's the video of you getting in like a savage fight with your significant other? Like, where's you with like the family drama or you just like totally losing your cool at the bank or the DMV? Like, that's the shit I want to see. I don't want to see this unachievable avatar of someone who never is just always this perfect person, like that just doesn't ring true to me because it's not my experience. And I know that like, it's not achievable for people in this life. So let's not present it as such. Of course, share wisdom, share tools, share things that help people. But like, don't put up this persona of the one who can do no wrong, because it's just not something that really helps people at the end of the day. And it can actually make them feel worse in a weird way, regardless of what your intentions are.

But yeah, Lacey, I mean, I can feel intuitively that the changes that you've gone through. And I'm really happy. And it feels really good kind of where you are. And I hope you know, in the future, if you're ever going through anything, you always can reach out to me. I'm happy to, you know, be there and listen. And I think we have both reached out to Jessa over the past year, plenty of times, the God bless her for listening to us. And you know, she's she's luckily reciprocated a few times. So it feels like an even energy exchange. But like, yeah, I mean, you know, that's what we have in this world is we have this community of like-minded people who really do want the best for each other. And I think that's a very precious and sacred thing.

So I'm just very grateful to have you in my life and for other people to hear and, you know, just resonate and connect with you in a deep way, because it's cool. It's cool shit. What you're doing is very awesome. So I love that. Can you let people know where to connect with you if you're doing readings or your podcast work? I'll put links, obviously, but what's the best way for people to get in touch and kind of connect with you? Yeah, I've been really hidden, but I'm coming out of hiding. Yay. And I'm really excited to be doing readings again. You can book a reading at lacyfree.com. Horapod is the podcast. I have a Patreon that I have not been present on in the last few months. And people just like still show up and support. And that is fucking insane to me and beautiful and like such a gift.

That's because we love you. I'm a patron. I've been for a long time. And like, it's not just about getting something from you. It's about supporting people who we think are cool. So thank you, Noah. Yeah, of course. And thank you for your like sweet voice and your like consistency with your voice. There is there's another thing I want to say is like, well, two things, I guess pod podcasting isn't just podcasting. It's this sort of like underground tunnel of us finding each other. And like the greatest gifts I've received in this life or these connections I've made because of a microphone. And like the listeners, you like our little, you know, our podcast crew, it's such a fucking gift that changed my life miraculously. Yeah. The other thing I want to say is like going back to that energy of like, I manifested having this partner. I like did a literal spell about it and was talking to my friends about it. But then when the spell came true, I said, Oh, he must be bad. It must be bad. He must be a stalker. This is weird. I literally said I want, I'm like, I don't know if men listen to my podcast that often. I know if you married men who get readings from me and they're so they they've also brought healing to me because they get readings from me and just tell me how much they love their wives or their partners and like talk about how they want to like improve themselves for them. And like hearing that side of the masculine has been life changing. But when my spell came true, there was this energy of like, I'm bad, this old programming of like, I'm bad, I deserve bad men are bad. And I was like telling it to Jessa and she was like, bitch, isn't this exactly what you asked for? And then it made me reflect that so often we do spells or manifestation or rituals. And they come true. And we subconsciously push them away because we don't believe we deserve for a spell to come true. That's right. So yeah, so I just feel full of love for you, the people who listen to us. And 2024 is about each of us being the fucking witch. Yeah, I love it. I have a really good feeling about 2024 and just like a lot of us doing some cool stuff together is kind of what it feels like to me. So let's, let's keep the vibe going, stay in touch. And you know, let's let's have a really fun time. I think it's in the card. So so great connecting with you, Lacey, you're the best. It's wonderful to hear your voice. Big love to you Noah. Yay. Yay.

(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) I hope you enjoyed that episode. Go check out Lacey, her website, Lacey-Free. There's tons of places to go and get readings from her. She's just a lovely person, as you can tell. Just really super cool. She's just one of the nicest people I know. It's always great connecting with her. Reminder readings are open. If you would like to go get one, I have a variety of those open. You can check them out. There are different price tiers for people. The MDMA stuff is kicking off. We got our first people signing up for those. That's cool. We're going to be rocking out with those in 2024.

A lot of fun stuff going on. Live event, shooting for February. February, like the way I said that. Stay tuned for that. Patrons get discounted entry into that. A lot of other fun stuff. The Patreon, as I mentioned, is rocking. We're having a fun time there. That's patreon.com/synchronicity. We do weekly live readings. We're audio readings, live streams, bonus episodes every week. A lot of fun stuff, crypto stuff, cool times for all. Go check that out. At Franklin Sussex Sunday, fun is in the driver's seat. We have your new Hyundai Elantra, Sonata, Tucson, Santa Fe, Palisade, Ionic 5, Ionic 6, and more at savings you'll love.

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