Deities, Spells and More with Jaliessa Sipress

[ Music ] Welcome to Synchronicity. My guest this week is Jaleesa Cyprus. She is awesome. I kind of like had been aware of Jaleesa for, I don't know, a couple of years like tuned in on social media. She's amazing. I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation. We talk about a lot of stuff related to kind of deities, rituals, kind of her metaphysical cosmology and conception of how stuff works. We continued the conversation after the podcast. We were kind of going back and forth exchanging some stuff. I had been downloading and just kind of talking about, you know, what we believe and what we're doing.

And it seems like there's kind of a revival of ritual and magical spells and deity kind of communion going on. Because we realized we were both kind of getting drawn to this independently. And then when we spoke, we're like, oh shit, you're doing that too. So it's really cool. Go check her out. I'm linking to all of her stuff in the show notes. She does reading. She does workshop. She's fucking awesome. So go check out what she's doing. We talk about astrology, a lot of stuff. I think you're pretty much going to love this episode. If you want an extension of this episode, I released the bonus episode on Patreon.

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I think you're going to enjoy it. Everything else? Cool, good stuff. Fun times, USA. All right, without further ado, here is Jaleesa Cyprus. (upbeat music) Jaleesa, thank you for coming on. I'm glad we got to do this. A couple of scheduling things where I canceled one, two times. Pretty par for the course for me. Thank you for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. I've been following work for a couple years now, so I'm excited to be here. Yeah, I have been following yours for probably around the same time. I was looking back in our Instagram messages and I was like, "Oh, we've been talking for a couple of years now."

I didn't realize, but I think you really came onto my screen through our mutual friend, Jaleesa. And then I just kind of tuned in and have been not only impressed with what you're doing, but pleasantly surprised with all the kind of areas that seem to overlap in terms of what I've been doing. Some of it I don't talk about too much. But one that I kind of wanted to start with, not to go too deep into the woo right in the beginning, but is medium-ship. Right? I didn't realize that this was something that you were doing. I also kind of got dragged into this in a very weird way, and I heard you talking about it in an interview, which really I can relate to.

I was doing a bunch of astrology readings, right? A bunch of tarot readings. And all of a sudden, people's dead relatives would kind of pop in. And it's a very weird thing. People didn't sign up to talk about this stuff. You probably know this as someone who has this as an ability or whatever we would want to call it. It feels kind of good, but weird. And you don't know where that social contract begins and ends and what people actually want from that and whether they want to hear about their dead grandma coming in from Mexico. This is literally this happened to me a few years ago. And I was just like, what the fuck is going on?

Tell me a little bit how you kind of discovered this. I mean, how does this fit into your regular life? Is it something you allow in? Is it something you keep that on the side for a little bit? But I'd love to hear more about this, because I don't know too many people who actually talk and do this stuff. Yeah. I try not to. I try not to. I try not to talk about it publicly. Because it's a lot of pressure and I don't really understand the mechanism quite yet, like fully in a way that feels like I can control it. So I'm at the point now where I'm like in an Uber to Barnes and Noble and it's like, oh, your great aunt is like sitting next to me.

And the way that it started, I mean, I definitely feel like as a kid, I would just say stuff that the whole family would look at me like, how does she know that? Or like, what are you talking about? Or stuff like that. And then yeah, when I started doing readings publicly, I started doing a lot of actual in-person events. So like festivals and stuff like that, I would be a reader. And I was doing astrology, you know, oracle, taro kind of combination sessions and I would get this weird feeling. I would get like this feeling like a bunch of energy and then it almost felt like the skeleton or the skull of another being was sort of rattling inside of me.

And it was really distracting. And it was just a lot of energy. And I didn't know what it was. So I would just be like, oh, I'm excited. You know, like I don't know what's going on. And so I didn't really do anything about it. And then I would just like fully kind of tap out after these day, you know, full day of that kind of work and not knowing what's happening to you and you're kind of like trying to not be distracted by it and read cards or astrology or whatever. And for me, astrology is a portal. Like I am an astrologer because it's a portal to basically someone's consent for me to do what I do.

But it's not like I'm just reading stuff, you know. So yeah, it started out that way, the same as you doing astrology readings and that being a portal to what I do. But then started to have people's relatives coming in. And then eventually I kind of like just, it first was like in-person readings and then I went all the way down to like just the phone. Like I can't even see you. I don't even want to look at you because if I look at you, someone's going to come in. So I just started creating so many boundaries to the point that so that people wouldn't come through and it still would happen. So over the past couple of years, I've tried to cultivate it a little bit more, I got really obsessed with like platform mediums and people who people consider charlatans.

You know, like I really love that world. I think it's so fascinating. I'm not interested in doing it right now or maybe never. But yeah, so it just kind of happened to me, I would sort of say. And then I've developed a more of a relationship to it over the past couple of years just from seeing, you know, really public mediums and their stories and being like, oh my God, that's exactly how it feels for me. And because they would describe a lot of ways that they would experience it, that I would use, that I would be like, oh, it's just this. So it probably isn't, you know, what people are using who are doing this full time and are really clear about it.

And then I'm like, no, it's the exact same thing that they're feeling. They're just more trusting of themselves. And they've built more of like kind of a library of like symbols. Like, oh, when you get a chill, it means this, like that kind of stuff. So I haven't fully created my library of sensations and all those kinds of things, but yeah, that's kind of where I'm out with it is just wanting to develop it more and feel more confident in my real experience with it. Yeah, no, I mean, I relate. It's one of those things where like, initially I was, I wouldn't need to say reluctant, I would say like resistant to dealing with it because it's such a foreign, I would get a lot of body stuff, like, you know, sensations and pains in different places of my body.

And then like eventually, you know, depending on where you are in your life and how receptive you are to it, you kind of acknowledge that maybe there's something else going on and trying to communicate and like the way kind of information or voices are happening in your head feels so distinctly different from how you think that you're like, okay, well, this is clearly something else. And then if messages start coming through and like things they're trying to tell you to communicate and it's like, it's interesting though, because like, it seems like a lot of the metaphysical and like reading work does kind of open a portal for people who do this.

And I think I made an early miss, I don't even want to call a mistake, but like I was doing this imaginal exercise where I'd create like this light portal and just welcome in all energy. And I'm like, why the fuck did I do that? Like, what am I, what did I think was going to happen when you open in all energy, like it's like you're putting out like a porch light for like metaphysical insects that come and just like flood in. And so like I very much relate to like trying to get a handle on it because I think I'm sensing like you see that there is a lot of power and kind of like value in that type of medium chip.

I also, you know, like the platform mediums, even if like they kind of seem like a little bit like Charlotte ends and they're just, but like for people who've experienced it, know that no one really would choose this. It's not like someone looks at the surveys, the realm of careers. And it's like, I'd like to talk to dead people. Like that seems like a fun and interesting thing to do. Like it's just not something people are picking, but it happens. And I kind of feel like I'm in the same place with you. Like I don't make it, I don't offer it as like readings. I don't say like, Hey, I'm a medium come and speak to me.

And sometimes even if I'm getting pinged, I won't even bring it up. But if it's strong enough and like something is really trying to come through, I do think there's a lot of value there because it's a misunderstood aspect of I think our relationship to spirit worlds. Like we are so usually immersed in our world that like we can just forget about that. A lot of people just don't even acknowledge it. And that's kind of what I wanted to ask. Like, so I know you're like, you're an astrologer. You're an artist. You're a writer. But like I think one of my favorite things about you is you have a way of not taking this stuff too seriously, but yet giving it the importance that it deserves, right?

Does that make sense? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I'm curious, like where has that always just been kind of your vibe? Like it sounds like you've been experiencing a lot of these things from a very young age. Did it take you a while to kind of develop the mindset to not take this stuff so seriously or make it a big deal? Or you're just like, I was always like that. I never really, really took it seriously. I recognize it's important, but it's not something that I want to make up big deal. Yeah. The divine jokester, trickster energy is very alive in like he's the first energy you have to go through in the world of like the Yoruba pantheon.

And that was like my first entry into magic was through African traditional spirituality, ATR. And so I definitely feel like that was like my first realization. That like the path into the rest of the very serious gods with the very serious things to do is through the one that's like, give me candy. Now throw me some coins. Now do a little jig and turn around and then he poofs and he's gone. You know, it's like that whole energy is like very, it's a very important entrance into the spiritual world. But I took myself way too seriously for way too long. I started out in social justice spaces and I started doing social justice work when I was 13 and got really heavily like very, very deep into it and just took the world very seriously.

It took everything very seriously. Felt very like angry at the world and very much like it's everyone else's problem and was very obsessed with my marginalized identities and came out of that during COVID because of my experience of that community's relationship to that thing. And I feel like I've always been very silly. Just as a person, my mom would definitely say so, especially as a kid. I would do these like weird interpretive dances to like opera for the whole family and fashion shows and all these things. But I think really because I was spiritual through my time in the social justice world.

I mean obviously you're supposed to start out atheist like no God's no masters. But then I slowly reintroduced it through African traditional religion because it was like okay because I was black and it was like oh this is okay. Like I can embrace this and ended up in a house of all witches in that particular pantheon. So this is very non-linear but I guess it's to say that it's always been something I've been afraid to take too seriously because I know it's power. And then also recognizing that whenever you do take it too seriously it's going to turn in on itself and become a big clown. And so I think that the combination of taking myself way too seriously as a social justice warrior type for so so many years.

And then kind of coming out of that and realizing that it didn't help anything. Like it didn't actually move the needle on most of the things that I was really passionate about and still passionate about but approach in different ways and seeing how much liberation I've actually experienced through non-tuality and through that seeing everything as a joke and the divine existence of being human as a joke in itself I think has really been the I think it's been the key for me. So yeah I definitely think it's been a thread through my entire life but really being able to have it mirrored in my spiritual practice has definitely been a journey that's kind of been cultivated I would say over the last five years.

That makes sense yeah I mean you know it's interesting you mention activism because I think this is like a big I don't even call it a stumbling block for a lot of people but like when you start kind of walking the metaphysical non-dual spiritual whatever we want to call it the woo path you do bump up against kind of activism in a lot of ways because you become more sensitive to everything right and when we think of like you know more awareness heightened consciousness we're usually thinking of like oh love and light it's going to be amazing all of the amazing stuff is going to be coming in but you actually become more sensitive to everything and we live in a dualistic world and a lot of that stuff shows up and then you have are confronted like what do I do like they're suffering here they're suffering there like what do I do and I think a lot of people rush towards trying to solve those problems and I think a lot of people then learn the lessons of like listen if I'm carrying around all of this stuff inside of me and I rush towards an activist mindset I'm just bringing that shit with me like is that actually going to be something that is going to affect any real change or am I just kind of adding to the chaos that exist and I see a lot of people struggling with this and I think I I probably have the opposite issue when it comes to struggling I can get like a little too not attached I'm just like listen guys like you're gonna get sucked into it you might as well just not and I thought that I don't pay attention I purposely try to like pay attention to what's going on in the world but I know how easy it is to get sucked in to kind of like one of those sides if you will like when you're doing activism and it can really pull you away from like a sense of inner peace so it's interesting to hear you say that that was kind of like our journey you've gone through was it something specifically about like the pandemic times that kind of like popped you out of it or was it just like this is time to like chill. Yeah it was the lack of congruence between like we don't trust the government and then completely following everything the government says and does all of a sudden it felt very like wait what like I've spent years talking about very illegal shit with you and all of a sudden you're like well you must wear that you know I was just like wait and I don't have an issue I think that there are people whose darmic path is to be an activist to shine light on dark areas of the government structures I'm definitely not pro government I'm definitely not interested in people being taken advantage of but at the same time it's not my path in that way and I think that my biggest issue is people saying that everyone should XYZ to anything so activism has to be a part of that for me and I think that the biggest trap is the moral trap and is the trap of duality because this is a dual dimension 100 percent it's a polarity dimension but nothing is actually dual in reality or in any other dimension of space and time or outside of space and time so my experience was being I mean I was in Portland so I was where everything was burning and I was at the protest like I was I mean I'm not going to say too much about where I was but I was there you know what I mean like I that was my world and those were my people I grew up in Portland so and I was really disappointed at what I was seeing from people that I had been organizing with for six years at that point and so that on top of like watching the news and being like I don't know I think maybe we should accept that I mean I'm not going to say too many things but I feel like accepting just accepting people die accepting that you know certain things are are occurring and the way that they're occurring and not having these kinds of mandates about where bodies should be and how bodies should move and how bodies should approach their experience of what's occurring and I was you know a week into like lockdown because I was actually in Greece at the time that we started going to lockdown and had to like emergency fly back so it was very heightened for me because of my experience of being abroad and having to come home immediately and being in Portland where I'm from around family also just very very heightened so it was kind of like wait you know I'm here and this is the social rupture we're always talking about this break and what we're doing with it is not what I feel like I'm aligned with so not to say that it isn't the best thing to do I think for some people it is but it is just isn't for me no I think that's like that's the core message that everyone can take away from it is like what feels right for you like no one is saying don't be an activist no one is saying don't you know be drawn to the horrors of the world and want to shed some light there like there we need people to do that actually there's a balancing game with the dual world that we need kind of the balancing of energies it's just at a certain point if you notice it's pulling you off track it's like what do we really want to keep doing this and it's uh it's one of your like you know I don't want to say too much about this I have the problem of usually saying too much about these things and I was shocked personally you know I run a relatively spiritual movie podcast and I was like I was not I'm not an anti-vaxxer I didn't get vaccinated I openly spoke about that I wasn't condemning people in my family have been back like I just I didn't have a strong stance on I was like do what you feel is right and man like it's just some of the the feedback and I was just like holy shit like how how are we this upset over this right now like I don't understand where this is actually coming from and it was like this weird kind of like bowing to authority that I just didn't expect in a lot of ways coming from this type of realm but it teaches you the lesson that like there's nothing that's immune from that like there's no like special place where that won't happen so yeah it was a really interesting kind of experience but I mean I think like those things usually it seems like you came away with this too it does kind of teach you the unseriousness of everything like if you get too locked into a perspective it will usually be upended and that's why I like you're saying like the gateway to a lot of this stuff is that trickster kind of jokes or energy and like when things are really difficult and hard the more you can kind of remember that it is kind of a joke or a game or a trick it has a way of loosening kind of the shackles that are weighing you down I know when I'm feeling the worst like when I'm bordering on depression or actually depressed I'm taking things very seriously like nothing is a joke there's no fun there's no games it's just this very serious thing that's going on out there and I have to deal with it and I have to figure it out or put in the hard work to do it and it's like you look back on your life and like I can't find many examples where that type of like response or energy actually solved anything it's not like that was the thing that helped it that wasn't the thing that made it better so yeah I mean so I heard you say something not to shift to abruptly but I like this kind of interpretation of how you were talking about astrology because these are tools that I use and a lot of us just kind of resonate with where you did kind of like doing math which I really like that resonated on like a like something some people may take that the wrong way but it is kind of like it gives you a structure for kind of looking at energy that I think does become like like I used to love to do math books when I was a kid like you know like do addition books and stuff it does kind of feel like that and gives you kind of a portal into it so can you talk a little bit about like how astrology fits into like what you're doing out there in the world and how you use it personally for your life yeah yeah I think there's something similarly satisfying to astrology as there is like doing a math problem I don't like necessarily consider myself a math person but I also am like I can appreciate a nice angle and I can appreciate the two plus two equaling four is very satisfying and I think that there's something about astrology like for me looking at someone's art where I just go you know like I when I look at a chart at just everything makes sense everything clicks into place it's kind of like in the movies where they're like they're doing the the safe and they're like trying to find the click and then or like opening a safe in general like there's a certain combination or a code and then that code opens the the treasure the magic or the money or whatever else is inside and I don't really understand my relationship to astrology it's the only thing I've I've kept my promise to over this many years it's been almost 10 years for me and I like I don't really know why I wouldn't prefer it like if you showed me the systems I wouldn't be like that one you know what I mean I I find that its place in pop culture can be also very distracting and difficult but I there's something about the language and the mythology that for me it's just like everything goes back to astrology everything is is about how in my opinion it's like the the 12 signs are just this these different archetypes that exist in every single human and then the you know the planets the players how many energies you have that are that are operating from within that archetype and then how those archetypes are having conversations from within you that can then express how you're going to approach various experiences in life and what you're going to be very good at and what's going to be very challenging for you so there's all of that there and then there is also the fact that it is a portal and to me just kind of channeling and whatever information they're meant to hear at that time and being able to use a chart for context which I think is really helpful in grounding I think that's what's most difficult about mediumship is I'm like a shark a bear and then a tooth and then your grandma and a shoe you know and they're like okay and then there's like half of a name that comes in right and and it's just like you said so much information and astrology is kind of it's created the system is created for you whereas with mediumship you have to be like alright and Apple means this you know you have to create your own system which takes a little bit more time and I'm a little too ADHD for that so the you know astrology is very neat it's a neat way of kind of putting everything into categories and then whenever you like but then when you unpack the category it's like it could go on forever and ever and ever and ever and I'm trained in a couple of different types of astrology but like there's I mean you could study it for 17 lifetimes and you still wouldn't get there's no bottom you know but astrology also does this thing where like the more you learn the more it then folds back in on itself it's like oh I could look at like you know the eighth deacon of the night you know but then it also could I could have said that just because you have a Libra moon you know so there's I just love what it does I love its structure and I love its dance and I love the way that story folds into it and so it's my primary way of connecting people with whatever information they need at that time it's also my way of picking dates or kind of I guess doing divinatory magic of when is the best time for something I'm also trained in medical astrology but I don't use it because it's again too technical but yeah it's definitely my lens for the world that and and Nondyl tonthera are my two kind of like lenses through which I see the world oh I didn't know Nondyl tonthera that's cool I I dabbled that back in my college years I got kind of sucked into that realm as well Nondyl how about that you know something that something that occurs to me and it's something I've been thinking about a lot recently is the roles of like deities and like godheads and how they fit into not only our personal conceptions of like ourselves and the world and like our own power but how they really are like these beings they really are these kind of energies that exist and I I struggle sometimes with saying how independent they are from us I don't think they're truly independent but they clearly exist if we believe they do and how powerful they can be in our lives like at various points whether it's Hindu deities North Greek like I do a lot of archetypal astrology too so the planets all represent deities and the relationships between them and their placements all go into a lot of like what I'm looking at in a chart and I noticed like this is you've been mentioned with the ATR stuff like this seems to be like a pretty big part of like what you do in this realm like how do you how do you like conceive of like where deities fit in right like what are these entities who you view as out there you know interfacing with you or is it your willingness to interface with them that allow them to kind of influence your life like how do you like how does that fit in for you yeah that's a really interesting question yeah the so the Yoruba pantheon of deities so this comes from Nigeria the Yoruba people of Nigeria they're the first there were my first entrance into deities actually grew up with fairies so I grew up my my I grew up Christian but my grandma was also like we're also going to like give offerings fairies and sing to them and like talk to them over the bonfire and stuff so I thought that was very normal and so interactions with kind of other beings with something that was alive in my childhood into my early life and I think that that kind of softened my experience of entering into what I would say is my my continuous relationship with different energies now but yeah the strongest kind of entrance into deity relationship was through African traditional religion and those are very very strong energies and they're just as serious and kind of extreme as they are playful and very unserious and so it's very intense to like I would never say I can like work with you know it's like you either become them and you let them ride you literally it's called mounting and speech which is another word for possession or you like ask them to do it for you like you know the so I think that each different pantheon has different energy to it and there's different ways to work with them based on what they do like you know elementals gnomes fairy beings those kinds of things they're earthly earthly so they're they're much more practical you can they can help you with much much more practical things and then recently I've been connecting more with my Nordic heritage I'm half Norwegian basically and so I've been exploring a lot of Odin's kind of connection to the humanity in general and when I realized that he's just like our dad like actually he's just like yeah yeah and that he has parents like the only reason he's seen as a deities because he created human beings from wood like he carved he carved us basically he was he gave us life so I'm like why would I worship my dad like I would ask my dad questions you know I want to know his perspective because I mean I don't I literally don't have relationship with my dad so I also don't just understand fathers but so maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that you don't worship your dad I'm pretty sure you just are like oh you have wisdom and experience that I don't have and you also might have a certain kind of love or compassion for my experience so why don't why don't I kind of court the the kind of relationship that would help me and whatever you need in return whether that's just the fact that I'm asking or you know offerings or whatever that might be so I think that I approach each pantheon different based on like the land that they are kind of attached to on earth I think that says a lot about their expert their their reach here like the ice is so powerful and I'm really connected to that right now I think we put a lot of spells into ice and as those things are melting a lot of those spell you know like I just think that there's a lot of different land aspects to to deities and why there are different deities in every single place even though they're all they all have deities that represent the same thing right like Freya and Lakshmi have similarities of like oh beauty and abundance and fertility in love but they're two different physicalities because also like the way that God created us in his image we also create gods in our image and so this sense of like kinship with with that and then also in in Tantra like you become the deity also there's a similarity there to me with ATR where it's like these deities are so powerful that either you can just be swallowed by their energy you can become them or you can court them but there isn't as much a relationship in a way that there might be with other beings so I don't know if that answered your question at all but it did no no it's amazing this is like this is basically where you know like we go through themes with our like paths and stuff and this is like the theme that has been coming up for me a lot because like I when I found um Neville Goddard stuff right like there's this strong conception and belief that your imagination is God right that consciousness that sense of I am that's it anything outside of that is a secondary cause and should be essentially ignored which rings true for the most part for me just because that's how we perceive our consciousness but I've always been attracted to deities I've worked with deities I've worked with a lot of things that are outside of me and so the way I kind of interpreted it is that once we become aware of something we have a choice of how much kind of inherent power and belief we want to put into it and if you do put in belief into a pantheon of deities they're real it's not like they're not real I'm like oh they're the make believe thing that doesn't exist they exist and so being clear about kind of how much belief we put in things and how much we want to work with them is just kind of what I've been playing around with recently so it makes a lot of sense when you're talking about like you know even with the the the African deity is like this is what Jung would probably describe as like an archetype like dominating the psyche right it comes out it is running you you are not in control anymore whatever you think your conscious mind is gonna grasp and use with it it's not that archetypal energy is going to play out and you will probably feel a little bit crazy while that's happening but it is kind of like a thing that happens and if we disregard it and don't acknowledge it and just want to say oh well that's mental illness or there's something else going on I think it sells it's like a disservice to the energy that actually is existing there and so yeah it makes a ton of sense what you're telling me in terms of like even the land stuff right of course like why wouldn't the specific geography and places and elementals and the things that we're looking at have a direct relationship and impact on these deities and how we interact with them because you know I think some people tend to get disillusioned when like they hear their consciousness is God and that kind of concept like it strips away like an element of play or like duality that I think a lot of people need like we can play the unity consciousness game all day long but like we're in duality like we can't disregard that fact and pretend that it doesn't exist so how to play within that realm and use deities is like functional energies like is is what I've really been kind of re-investigating and getting interested in just because I think there's a lot to be said like coming up in the world like around those energies and well I do think we have an immense amount if not ultimate control over our own individual realities it doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bath water and we say oh well you know what this stuff doesn't exist we're just playing games it's childish games like time to get real our consciousness is the only thing that also doesn't feel accurate for me and so like I've just been exploring and asking people like what it what's the relationship with deities for you so you answered it in a great way please me my next question like what this is a vague one so for forgive me on this one like what do you think is like kind of going like what themes do you think are showing up right now for you individually of course but also collectively like it's clearly a transitional period like no one really has any kind of clue what is materializing but what's your intuitive sense that like we're going through as a collective right now yeah that is a good question um also is the do you hear the dog barking is what can you hear the dog barking your dog you don't hear a dog what you probably hear is my two and a half year old upstairs no no I there's a dog out here and I just don't I want to make sure that I don't hear oh okay okay also also this cuts out all background noise so if you don't hear my two and a half year old I don't hear a dog so we're good cool I just want to make sure cuz sometimes you're looking at me like he hears the dog it's all over she's just like on something right now anyway okay how I feel about how I feel what I perceive to be to be happening collectively is a reckoning I think I called it in my I did like a year ahead event I do them every year I have done them every year for some time now and I called it the split just because I think it's time to make a decision I think a lot of people have been teetering with spiritual like we're God but like sometimes but then like when something bad happens like but what about that you know it's like this picky choosy kind of energy I think it's that's done and I think it's going to get very very difficult if you're sitting on the fence I think the fence is getting electrocuted and you got to do something and so I think that we're gonna keep seeing things in the public consciousness that create more little splits that seem like that are going to be on the line of morality the play of duality of pick a side be on the right side of history do the right thing this all this whole play of rightness which I don't believe in and that's very the thing is that is that what we're seeing is very obvious and the side versus side is very obvious and I think what what you're what you choose to do about it that choice part I think is what we're really coming up against for the next three years is can you first of all recognize that you are making a choice second of all recognize that it's a choice at all and third of all recognize that it's a choice among infinite choices and that there is no wrong one so that kind of like those different like refinements and layers of actually recognizing the power of your consciousness and reality being here for you as a mechanism to explore yourself and to explore what's possible I think on a personal level you know I went to art school and my mom was an artist my grandma's an artist you know I come from a lot of art in my family so I'm making more art than I have since going to art school and dropping out twice I am also really working with the idea of deities and you know I I really took the whole manifestation and me being the creator of my own reality into a space where I felt that magic and spell work and all that stuff was just like you know you're just mimicking this thing you could just become the thing you could just become the the magnet you don't have to like do a little spell and then like get the thing and then you don't have to worry about who you are that's how I felt before and now I'm kind of returning to it in a way that's like huh how did my like I have a list of 30 ancestors that go back to the 1700s in Norway then I'm like reading their names and like interacting with them I bought like magic I bought like wood wands and I'm like connecting to a tree in my neighborhood and I'm like talking to Odin and I'm like I love it you know and I'm also really fascinated with the Malefic I'm really interested in dark magic I want I'm really fascinated with dark magicians and the other side the left hand path the path that I will never walk this lifetime yeah you know the other side of duality really inviting not inviting that in but inviting it to the table you know on the darkest night of the year this year I did this ritual where like blindfolded myself and just like I was like anyone can come like anyone can come to this table and just like put on this like really like dark music and I was just like just you know cuz I wanted to play with fear and I wouldn't play with darkness and I wanted to see like where is the real line for me so yeah I think my experience I mean identifies a wizard so I just am in my hovel kind of like huh what's you know like looking through my books and highlighting pages and doing you know kind of doing spell work at this point again you know returning to it in a real way yeah that's where I'm at personally it's very interesting because over the past two three weeks I one of my favorite peer-to-peer programs of all time back predating Napster is something called soul-seek it's just an amazing tool it's still around for people who want to get it you just download it and you can search for whatever you want and over the past three weeks I started looking up like a lot of black magic stuff - like spells rituals chaos magic it's something I've been gently experimenting and a few sigil magic things here and there but I've got the call I'm just like I don't know why I'm interested and again it's interesting you say like I don't think I'll be practicing black magic so to speak like I don't want to get deep into like Crowley and do all these like you know rose cross rituals and all this but it's there and it's interesting and it's calling and I think having an awareness of it feeds some type of like whatever energy like a lot of times I feel like I don't know if you feel like this too like that I meant to process things like for myself and just like energetically larger and like that's why like sometimes it feels like you have precognition of what's coming or you go through some experience before everyone else has gone through it and then everyone else is going through it but like it does feel like there is this kind of return to ritualized more kind of like spell based magic that I it's hard to explain especially having kind of locked that off for however many years like it's been for me that it is kind of coming back in full force and I think you know for for anyone listening who also is feeling that explore it at the very least you don't have to invite in you know dark beings to control your life but it it's there you're not gonna be served by ignoring it so it's really interesting to hear you say that this is kind of something that's been flowing into you too because I didn't even know how to process this stuff most of the time because I'm like I don't even know if I believe in it so much but I kind of feel like I do so I can't pretend that I don't so like I'm gonna explore it it's like it's fascinating that that's kind of uh it's in the ether so to speak I guess yeah yeah go on no no you go ahead I was just gonna say Crowley is such an interesting one him and Dali I'm really interested in right now I mean Crowley not so much but just his story like I watched like a very basic cuz I've heard his name so many times I've never read his work I've never done the deep dive but it's like he's one of those figures that we just discount because he was like bad and you're like okay well can we talk about the the contextual nature of his experience how he grew up and also the fact that all the information that we have about him that isn't from him is usually from Christianized media or a media that doesn't have any understanding and may may call you the person who's saying oh he's a bad person the same thing that they call him so can we just at least accept that he had a contribution you know and he had such a contribution that both you and I know his name and that most people listening are gonna know who he is that's important and I think you know with cancel culture and all these things it's like the it's okay to acknowledge that people have had a really important contribution and to look at the research and the work that they've done a lot of the a lot of the modern medical tools that people use came through torture through the concentration camps through slavery so it's it's like you didn't throw all that away because it came from pain and suffering so can we can we apply that in other areas is it okay you know are we ready to do that yet but yeah I definitely think ceremonial magic ritual I think all those things are they're making a comeback you know right it's weird yeah yeah it's fun like it's very like accessories you know it's just all the little accessories it's the capes and the lawns and the you know there's just I've so shit you know it's like before this I was like well I have the vessel and everything's all clean and all of a sudden it's like this occultist fucking dusty layer but that's okay I do love aesthetics it's cool I do too and like there's a reason that like you know I've liked crystals and gemstones and all this like there there is again like we're in a physical world I understand many of us want to transcend that and have these moments of like clear awareness where we recognize we're a spiritual being having a physical existence but we are still having a physical existence so it's like honor that as best you can and like enjoy it again like anything that strikes your fancy and that you get genuinely excited or curious about to me is fair game like it really doesn't matter what contextual relevance it has culturally or otherwise and I think a lot of it is kind of like getting out of that and getting kind of familiar with this this and that energy right like not saying it has to be and this goes back to what you were even saying about like the activism stuff and kind of like how to parse that it's like you don't fall on one side of this and stay on that side for the rest of your existence like it's just not how things work in energy like it's not it transmutes it turns it alchemizes into something else so like to to treat our own belief structure like that also feels like doing it in injustice and a disservice and I think it's gonna be really fun too like there is a lot of value like these things have lasted and been passed down for so long like that's not an accident it's not just like because there's these big control mechanisms and you must care about spell work and it's like there's things that resonate with us internally so it's like why don't we acknowledge that and you know really do something with it if you're called to it if you're not then you know leave it you don't have to do it it's all good yeah yeah people it's actually in spite of the fact that we're constantly being told that we're silly and stupid and delusional and all these other things it's like oh you're just I mean you're doing what that parenting thing of like if you try and push it away too much people are gonna be interested and then there's so much magic there yeah and also the I'm so fascinated by the person who wants to save other people from their delusions right like whether it's an atheist with a Christian or a Christian with the new age is what they call it I think yeah that that kind of like savior martyr thing is kind of what I'm talking about with this split like this victim perpetrate like that whole dynamic it's quite boring and it's it's quite dangerous you know it is it's just I think I don't even want to say naturally it's a tendency that has been developed like habitually over I think and throughout culture because it's a way of navigating in the same way if like if we look at the ego where I am not an ego basher I the ego is functional it has use it's not something that we try to eliminate but if we let it run the entire show all of the time it's gonna do some fucked up shit like it is not gonna take into the holistic experience but that's kind of like how we tend to navigate like energy and taking sides or forming opinions and it is kind of a constant dance to like pull ourselves back and recognize the broader picture of what can be going on for no other reason than like it's it's more interesting like that it's more fun it feels more authentic it doesn't feel like we're getting kind of like sucked into a way of being I think a lot of us who kind of feel like this have a natural anti-authoritarian complex and so like any time it's like you got to do this we're like I'm not gonna do that yeah that's kind of why we like you don't like to be boxed into these things but that is a very like important energy in the world and I think if you look out when you're looking out into the world and you see kind of what happens when things get homogenized or like just like everyone gets boxed into being on one side or the other it's usually not like great results it's not like everyone so this is great this is everyone's happy now this is really worked out for us like people freak out and they're like why is this happening and so yeah it's just a it's a fascinating time I mean I I don't know if it's a Chinese you know I believe that it's a curse that may you live in interesting times but there's certainly in my purview has not been any more interesting times than where we're living now I mean like it is wild out there like it is absolutely wild so you know being able to navigate it with like-minded people I think is part of the fun of what we're doing here thank you do you know do you have were you gonna say something no I I just yeah I think the the idea of things things being more interesting than they ever have been it's so it's so fascinating to me and I think that also it's like people were doing magic when they like worse didn't have light in their homes you know so the fact that that's carried through when I could be just distracting when like Instagram's not enough and I'm like I need to go like talk to Odin or something it's like wow okay this there is something very is the word primordial about our relationship with the gods and with like these powers I feel it just seems there is something I nate there yeah yeah and and the community around it is becoming more and more interesting the more and more sort of divided and intricate the the conversations become yeah no I I'm enjoying it at the very least I don't know if everyone else is but I'm having a good time and also I just I get tuned in to a lot of cool people continuously by staying whatever connected to this stuff I don't know how I do it I just naturally gravitate towards this stuff so I'm bringing back a feature that I used to do back when I was doing a lot of guest interviews and I'm starting to do them again where I have three questions at the end what's your favorite color green is what came to mind so I'll go with that nice yeah and whatever it's at the top of the head what's your favorite number both three and seven came to mind although I wouldn't say this but I would say eleven but cool yeah and favorite animal I have to go with my own Jeep the hummingbird cool yeah there's something about the hummingbird and the way they can move and yeah I saved the hard-hitting questions for last obviously yeah the last question yeah right I know the last question is practical tip could be anything mundane or super woo that has helped you in your life that you could share with other people oh wow oh okay what's coming is pay pay attention to cycles like just noticing oh this is happening again whether it's in your own life right I'm hungry again that's a cycle or oh again the news is doing this thing that's a cycle the seasons like just paying attention to cycles I think if you want to be anything in the world at all ever I think cycles will always help you to to structure that thing especially if you're kind of of the magical sort cycles are your best friend when it comes to knowing the right moment to drop the ball or shoot the arrow or whatever it is so I would say that totally and went to not freak out because so much of my like consternation in life is when I'm pushing when I should be pulling or when I'm going I should be stopping or vice versa and being aware of what your natural rhythms and cycles are related to other things to be very good you're the best I'm I'm hoping to get down there and see you guys in the not too distant future I didn't realize you were so close to Jess so that's amazing so thank you so much for coming on yeah thank you for having me it's been I was so curious to see what it would be like for us to be in conversation so I'm glad we're like it's so cool that and it always happens this way that we're kind of mirroring some aspects of our practice that both was really like is this am I really doing this like am I really not my six YouTube video about black magicians today it's fascinating and I love it because like when you're doing it like by yourself like you do have this like you're like what am I doing like why am I doing this then you hear someone I was doing it you're like oh thank God thank God this is actually in the ether and I'm not just like losing my fucking mind again amazing right right so yeah this has been amazing we should do it again soon this has been really really fun yeah I love you thanks so much Noah so so so thanks for listening to that episode I hope you enjoyed it I'm assuming if you're hearing this at the end you at least didn't 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