Into The Body with Duncan Heywood

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Welcome to Synchronicity. We got an awesome guest this week, Duncan Haywood. He's not on social media. Has never been on social media. So, you know, you can't find him anywhere. But he's an amazing body worker. You'll hear about all the stuff he does in this episode. Super cool guy, really interesting life. We barely scratched the surface of all the things we're gonna talk about. Excited to know him. Also great, you know, to meet upstate people. And there's a little cool vortex up here. Before I get into everything else, we're gonna have a fun little intro. Let me tease some topics for next week.

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Lot of stuff going on, right? Saturn, Jupiter, conjunction just happened. A lot of people feel we're moving into the age of Aquarius. There's a lot of astrologically significant things, of course, and this has got me thinking about astrology, belief, narratives, opportunities for realization more than recent times. So, I wanna say a few things. I've been doing these Christ Consciousness readings. They're open for the rest of the week. Those have been great. And I use astrology. That's like the main thing we're doing there. There is tarot stuff, there is kind of energy readings, but astrology is a big part of it.

And I'm here basically just to remind everyone that regardless of what you believe, that it is your inherent willingness to place your awareness on those narratives or external circumstances that give them their power, including the stars and the planets. If you externalize astrology or the age of Aquarius or anything, you're making a God out of it. And it's essentially a false God because the only real God, truthfully, this is true. Tested out is your consciousness. You are an individual. You are an indivisible part of the whole. You are one. You are part of the one, which means you, your perception, your awareness literally summons this reality into existence.

So, use tools like astrology, tarot, anything else as energetic maps of your being. It's why some people can use tropical astrology. Some people use sidereal. Some people use very specific. I mean, there's infinite ways. If you go through all the modalities of astrology, you'll eventually be every sign with every fucking placement and transit you can imagine. It doesn't invalidate aspects of astrology. Our belief that the stars are a reflection of our being and certain energies, archetypes, is literally what allows it to function in that way. Just don't forget that. I say this because I know there's a great debate of, we've moved into the age of Aquarius.

Now, some people are like, no, that's in 300 years. No, that was 20,000 years ago. It's very reminiscent of the Yuga cycles that were going on in India where people are like, there's these grand cycles, hundreds of thousands of years, and we're in the Kali Yuga, the Yuga of death and destruction. Everything is getting worse. And people are like, yeah, that's what it is. And then people are like, no, this is actually an enlightened age where everything is slowly getting better, irrelevant. Totally irrelevant. These are narratives, these are energies, whether it's the age of Aquarius or not. And if you like that narrative, by all means, go to it.

I get empirical evidence when I'm reading people's charts that there is an influence on Saturn and Jupiter in Aquarius. Like, it's very clear. You perceive this and you get this opportunity when you do these types of readings to see the like grand themes that emerge, not stripping any power away from that. But don't think that this time is any more or less auspicious for you realizing what the fuck is going on, that you're God, that you're everything. Don't lose that as an opportunity. Don't think it's only dependent on certain placements in the sky. There are energies, they can help us, but they're you.

They're always you. This is critically important to understand. Otherwise, we can get carried away and kind of lose ourself, which is fine. It's totally fine. And if you do remember this, you kind of balance yourself from not getting too far in one direction or the other. You don't want to get so structured, "This is just me, it's only me." Hmm, that's also wrong. It's somewhere in the middle where this and that are also true. It's this dolphin energy and the animal oracle. This and that are true, right? They're both true, but just use that as a stabilizing kind of belief structure that this is you.

You give these things their power. Truthfully, does it mean that astrology doesn't have an influence on people who don't pay attention to it? No, because subconsciously, collectively, there's a resonant field that creates this energy that impacts people. If there's enough people who believe in something, it'll impact someone else. Ultimately, though, you have the power to kind of choose what to resonate with. That's what a lot of this podcast is about. One other thing I want to talk about in getting some downloads about death, physical death, individuality. Let's mention this. When you die, this is going to sound fucking like I'm an asshole 'cause I don't consciously remember dying physically.

You don't lose your individuality. You lose your individuality when you are ready to lose your individuality. If you are afraid that when you physically die, you will not experience yourself in the same way. That's fine, that's cool, you'll deal with that, but you don't lose it. You actually get to keep it until you're ready to let it go. That is what I've been told and shown and however you want to look at it. It resonates with me quite a bit. The part of you that does die is the part that's afraid of anything, whether it's physical death, any situation. That part of you that's like, I don't know, that will die.

That cannot come along. It's like any fear that you've transcended, that part of you no longer is in resonance with your being. It can come back, it's like any ghost in the world. You can start resonating with it again, but the part of you that's afraid of death, physical, egoic, individuality, whatever it is, that part will die. So it is true that something is going to die, but you as an individual, when you're ready to let go of your personality or inherent resonance signature in a way that feels comfortable to you, you will do it in a very nice way. It's not gonna be a traumatic event. What actually creates the trauma is resisting or thinking that it's gonna be or believing it's gonna be something traumatic.

So just try to change your mind about or do what you need to do to know that it's okay, really. And we're moving through a lot of this stuff physically in this dimension now, that's what's so cool. That's what I think has got a lot of people jazzed up about this experience in linear time, is we really are like, we're getting these realizations in a resonant field pretty quickly. The frequency or whatever you wanna call it of where people are like, understanding things is really going up. So just thought I'd mention those things at the beginning of the podcast. If you're into body work, if you're into just like, cool fucking shit, you're gonna love this episode.

Duncan is super cool, happy to have him as a new friend. Go check out, check out anything from him. You can't, he's, you can do word of mouth, man. If you wanna fucking amazing, energetic, you know, physical thing, this is your dude. Okay, without further ado, here is Duncan Haywood. (upbeat music) Duncan, thanks for coming on, man.

Thanks for having me, Noah.

No needs to be nervous, I can sense the nerves, you mentioned it a little bit, it's totally cool. I guarantee three, five minutes in, you'll just forget that you're even doing a podcast. I'm super excited to talk to you.

Thank you, brother.

I know you-- - I am nervous as hell, actually. - I know, it's normal. It'll, it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll, it's like a trip. You settle in, I know you through two people who are very important in my life, Zev and Denise, both who have been on this podcast, I've probably not heard two people say more nice things about someone I actually like haven't really gotten to know yet, so I mean this genuinely too. Like, it's, it's incredible and I very much respect their opinions like a lot, so I'm excited to have this conversation. I'm gonna run the show, you don't have to worry about it, but I do wanna ask you since our main connection came through the body work that you're doing and this has been something, for me, especially over the past few years, like I've become way more aware of how I hadn't been in contact with my body as kind of a feedback mechanism and also just like a part of like my mystical essence and being like there's a reason I have this body.

I know you've had many different lives and done a lot of different things, but how exactly did you get into body work and also how are you so good at it?

Ah, okay, great question, so let's go back to, I think I was about 25 years old, living in Northern California in a town called Sebastopol.

Oh, shit, yep.

I almost moved to Sebastopol.

Oh, no kidding.

Oh, Sebastopol holds such a special place in my heart.

That farmer's market, I got a crystals, I have crystals from there, wow.

All right, so yeah, so speaking of farms, I worked on this amazing piece of land called Laguna Farm. Shout out to Scott Matheson in his amazing crew, so I was working out at this farm. And we were just, a bunch of us working out there, hanging out after hours, living out there, some of us, and it just got to be like people would sit in front of me and I would just kind of play. And for me, it was something that just felt absolutely natural, I've never even had to consider what I was doing, the energy felt natural, working with people's bodies, understanding of the joints and the nutrients and everything like that, it was all very innate.

So people were just like, damn, like where did you learn this? And I didn't necessarily learn it, it's just an intuition for me. So I think I just recognized the aptitude and I went to school, that was in 2000.

No shit.

Yeah, that was in 2000 in Berkeley, California.

Fuckin' it.

And it's been an incredible journey since then because the intimacy that this career has afforded me, like this window into people's lives at that level is extraordinary and like I'm truly humbled every day.

Yeah.

Truly, truly.

Which is why you get to do something you love so much or why you continue to like have that feeling as you're doing it. I mean, when you know you're doing what you're supposed to be doing and know you have an aptitude for it, what you experience naturally happens, right? It's a reflection of how you feel about what it is you're doing and why you're doing it. I mean, I love that because I love that you just recognize from like, hey, this is something I'm touching people in a way, it's making them feel good. I kind of recognize where things are going on just to like take that seed planet and let it become what it's become for you.

'Cause like, dude, I mean, you know this, this is your job. I have gotten two massages in my entire life. Both of them have been this year. One was in Turkey at like a fancy spa from like a little Filipino woman and it was amazing. It was gentle, it was smooth, it was nice. Then I had yours. I don't know, I wouldn't call you massages like a wrong term, right? It's like body work. It's like what is it like for you when you're working on people? Like what is it like, like what's the process there?

These are great questions. So the process for me, best described is for me to get out of my own way. You know, the more I can just settle into my heart, connect to spirit. I definitely work with certain energies. Like if I kind of call them around then it gets me really connected to those energies. I connect to the earth. So for me to get out of my own way because you know, we all have this ego structure that wants to try to like, you know.

I'm doing it.

And then control all whatever. I mean, that's the illusion, right? So if I just really settle in to the other person that I'm working on, their energy field from a place of heart and allow the movement to happen, then it becomes a dance and I'm no longer really working. I'm just enjoying the moment with another human being.

What's happening, flowing through you.

Yeah, and everybody comes to the table literally, comes to the table with a unique energy. And even if I worked on you, know the second day in a row or two day in a row, it'd be different sections altogether. And that's the power of the dance is you just never know what you're gonna get into. I just have complete trust.

Yes.

To go in with 100% faith that, you know.

That's my buzzword. Faith in conviction is literally the juice. I think what it is, it's basically the creative, subjective, subconscious. I call it the feminine power just because it's below our threshold of consciousness, whereas masculine, it would be objective, reasoning, thinking, subjective feeling, knowing, you know, conviction. That is what generates the experiences. And at a certain point, it sounds like early on, you just trusted that. You're like, yo, this is just like, this is it. Like I know I'm doing this. This is what I'm supposed to do. Have you ever like fought it? Have you ever been like, nah, I don't wanna do this?

Or was it just like a straight linear? Like I know, this is it.

Again, great questions. I mean, it wasn't always the only way I made a living.

Right.

You know, I have a side of me that's also a builder. My dad was a builder, I grew up in a kind of family of like engineers and carpenters and builders. And always had access to a wood shop as a kid growing up. So I have a love of working with wood as well. So there was a time in my life when I was kind of.

Yeah. (laughs)

When I had like a foot in each, in each path, which ultimately was incredible, but I was wearing myself really thin, really thin. And one of the things I have to be honest, I was resisting was I moved here from California to upstate New York. I reside in Woodstock and I was not New York state licensed. And so when I moved here, I got my yoga teaching certification and I was kind of willing to try to live without body work. I couldn't do it for very long.

Right.

So what happened was, is I started to build a clientele kind of underground because I was not licensed.

Yeah.

And felt like I was running this sort of carpentry on the front body work under the table kind of dual life.

What are D.V.'s life sound?

Yeah, right, breaking the law. Thank goodness there's no massage police, but um, so at one point a couple years ago, I had just, I just decided like, you know, my heart was no longer in making money working with wood. I love working with wood as a hobby. I have a shop.

Totally.

I make shit, I have fun, but as far as what feeds my soul at the deepest level is that intimate connection with community, with people. And that's what body work did. So I got my butt to New York state massage school that was really painful because I'd already been working kind of professionally for about 18 years at that point. So I had to go back to like setting up a table, you know, talk about checking your ego.

Yeah.

Oh man, it was--

Fucking straight to square one.

Yeah, getting like schooled by the teachers who, because I wasn't doing what they wanted me to do these fun events.

You're doing it well.

It was unreal, but I just put my head down, I pulled that off, and now I am so in love again with, you know, I've been, I think I've been licensed now for three years in New York state, and I am just more inspired than ever. Yeah, I feel great.

That's awesome. So you've ascended to the level of where what you're doing is now also legally above board, but I think it feels like more like propellant to get you back maybe like a humbling experience also too.

100%, 100% all of it. It was like a perfect storm. And there is something to being above board. You know, I'm not gonna lie, like the energy flows more easily when there's like 100% permission to kind of like, I can have colleagues now, I can talk about my work, I can refer, you know, to other professionals and have them refer to me. - It's easier to do. It's easier, yeah.

Perhaps a made up convention, but still the energy it carries is real.

Made up for sure, an agreement field, right? And that's all what reality ever is anyway, right? But somehow enough of us agree that certain things kind of feel correct.

That's cool.

Right? Or you maybe call them sort of universal laws that kind of apply across religions or--

And why should they be totally, yeah, totally. Yeah, I love it. I mean, I know, yeah, the bodywork stuff though, man. Like, so when you're talking about like grounding and getting out of the way, like what does that feel like for you, like you still have an experience of it. You may be removing the kind of ego itself from the experience and letting it happen, but you still have awareness of what's going on. You're doing it. Like, what are some of the kind of like feelings you get when you're doing that?

Okay, I'm gonna go back just before I went to bodywork school in California, I went to the Berkeley Psychic Institute for a two and a half.

Oh, awesome. You mentioned this, I know.

Yeah, so it was a two and a half year clairvoyant training program that the initial sort of maybe nine months of the program was with these very sort of basic classes on how to ground your body and differentiate yourself from other people, which is kind of a key thing. A lot of people actually don't learn that. Like they have all this kind of kind of melding.

Who does that?

No one learns that.

You don't learn that, but then when you get the information, you're like, oh, of course, like I am an autonomous being. I have the right to dwell on my body alone without interference from outside energy.

Totally.

So you gain a whole set of kind of almost like mental calisthenics. So, you know, unbeknownst to myself at the time, those were the foundational kind of learnings that I absorbed that would allow me to kind of root down into the core of the earth and just be like, okay, I am here and I am a conduit of energy, but I actually also have choice in what I will and will not allow to stick and stay in my body, which is key for body work. I think one of the things that's allowed me to work with people for 20 years consecutively and stay healthy, both physically, emotionally, spiritually, you know, is that I have those tools at the foundation working.

So to answer your question, when I ground, you know, for me, I want to be a conduit of positive energy and I want to share my being, but I don't want to take on what's releasing from other people, right? So that's the dance.

Totally, this is, yes.

Yeah, I have to be a bit of a martial artist in that sense of just being kind of prepared for a little blow that might come out of somewhere. And I get whacked once in a while, no doubt about it. I got whacked a month ago.

How does that happen?

It was humbling.

So like when that's going on like, 'cause like this is something I think a lot of people don't think about, even not just with body work, but any type of energetic work. Like I do enough readings and like, I know, like you can feel people's energy sometimes. And if you aren't like, don't have your like shield up or your force field or know how to kind of transmute stuff, it'll stick. Like I know there's readings, I'll get off and I'll be like, "Holy fuck, I'm drained right now." And I was feeling amazing before the reading. So what happens like when you get one of those experiences where it's, you know, you're catching some of those waves from other people, what does that like?

Okay, so I recently had an experience that really knocked me off and I'll describe it. And it was like, you'll see that it was a perfect storm given, okay, so I was basically doing a favor for somebody. So there was ego involved because I was kind of doing a favor for a sort of quote unquote preferred client. So right off the bat, I was separated from the truth. And then I, you know, so I agreed to work on somebody at 9.30 p.m. because it fit into the only way I could do.

Well actually no, it only could fit into my schedule 'cause I had an insanely full day. So there was breach number two.

And it was the end of your insight into full day.

Yeah, and like breach number two is that I already knew my limit was five sessions, which is actually one beyond what I like to be. And so I was already going into session number six. So the third thing is, is I get to the house and I recognize he was a very powerful big energy human being, but he was messy, like almost like pig pen, if you could imagine like his auric field.

Scatter. - Yes, scattering energy everywhere and I was like, ooh, now here's the other thing. He had made a fire in the fireplace where he was renting this house, I do house call. So I showed up at his place. And the flu in the fireplace wasn't working, so the house was completely filled with smoke. And I have a personal sensitivity to tobacco smoke and room like fire smoke.

Yeah.

And so I was like, oh my God. So I immediately said, I don't think I could work in here. My first gut intuition was like get the body here, right? So I ignored that. So I'm totally ignoring myself every step of the way.

Red flag, red flag.

In order to sort of keep, you know, what I think is, you know, I'd like to follow my word. I made this commitment, I'm gonna follow through.

Yes, I get this.

So we open up the windows, it's freaking cold outside. So now the house is this combination of smoking, oddly cold.

Cold, weird energy. - And so all these things mounting up and here's the kicker. He happens to be an MD. So after the session was over, he loved the work. I got a lot of flattery, which is another sign that I was in my ego. And that felt kind of good and then he started getting into my family health history. And I disclosed that I'd had some deaths with cancer, this and that. And then he starts laying it on me. Well, when was your last colonoscopy, so on and so forth?

Oh my God.

Right, and I'm like, whoa, man. 'Cause I, I mean, dude, I really avoid the American medical oscillation.

I am with it.

Because we're at all costs, if you want to stay healthy, that's my opinion, I'm just gonna state it.

Yeah, you know, I think that they're awesome for breaking a compound fracture or whatever.

Yeah, we're not denying the benefits when allotropic or conventional Western medicine can be useful. It's just most of the time it's a very like overkill, like hack it off type.

Yeah, I've seen really relatively healthy people interface with the AMA and then get prescribed to be a handful of drugs and then their health just plumb it. So anyway, I'm already, so anyway, he starts laying on me that he's gonna order me 'cause he's a doctor, he's gonna do it kind of gratis, he's gonna order me all these tests and all these like lower GI stuff and everything like that. So I'm basically left the guy's house like 100% not me anymore.

Yeah, you've now, yeah.

I took on so much shit and it really, I wasn't able to notice it, where it started to happen is it leaks out into my relationship with my son. I'm way less able to tolerate things like his things that he does that are not like the way I would do them.

Kids will fucking teach you this.

But then when my friends, when enough of my friends start asking me if I'm all right, then I'm starting to go, all right, and now I'm starting to feel kind of real.

You shifted yourself to a different version and timeline.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Got whacked.

Got whacked, yeah, reality whacked.

So it took me about a week to work it and I kind of do a series of things of meditations and visualizations. I learned the clear point training program and whatnot and eventually had what kind of looked like an anxiety attack. Like it, I just sat on the couch one morning unable to move like in the paralysis until the emotion basically ripped through me and I had no choice but to give him to the cry.

Oh yeah. (laughing) I love that chipping.

Yeah, well then it's my favorite thing.

It's fucking rad because then I emerged like a fresh little baby ready to greet the world. And then back to being me, only an upgraded version. Truth be told, so I can't even judge that experience.

Of course not. That's the thing.

No, hell no, it was an incredible teaching.

That's why in real quick, I still work on him. It's just that now I go, you know, the boundaries.

I know the boundaries, I know what I'm showing up.

You know, when you're showing up what you'll take on you're probably helping him much more that way as well because you're not having this relationship which some people could look at like what you went through and be like, oh well this guy is bad energy. Like you shouldn't have went there. But the fact that you went back there with like a healthier, more composed self actually allows you to be a mechanism for healing. And that's really what you're doing.

Thank you, thank you for seeing that. I was actually excited to go back.

Of course.

I like literally prepared myself. Like I went in like a fighter would prepare for like a fight but you know, they love 100%. It's an interesting kind of paradox, right?

I get the paradox. When you're talking about this, I'm thinking about DMT. This pen that's sitting here because my last experience was very much like just every scenario, every red flag that could have been going off, I should have known, pushed through it anyway and had a terrifying experience where I was like affected. I think in both of those and a lot of people are getting these lessons here. You are really learning to like respect and care about yourself. So you give your experience where you don't and then it leaks on and you've luckily built an amazing life for yourself where you have a beautiful son who reflects back energy when it's not the way you want it to be.

You have friends and a support system. So you have these self-calibrating mechanisms where you do kind of not take care of yourself. It manifests inside of you. You see it. You address it. You do the things you need to and then you can go on with the experiences you're looking for. I think where a lot of people are getting stuck sometimes. I know this happens for me and this is kind of the length of us being upset or not in like resonance with who we really are is our willingness to believe that those circumstances are somehow inherently negative. Somehow they're to fuck our shit up. We failed and it doesn't even just have to be like an egoic misapprehension.

It can just be like we're not getting it right then. Like we just don't understand that like it's never that. Like you wouldn't do that. And like I know in a reading this really struck me the other day when I was pointing it out to someone. I was like, well, how do I know my thoughts are really what I want? Like maybe there's someone else who like implanted this in me or my idea of what I want is just someone else's idea. Like how do I even know? I'm like, here's the deal. Here's the deal. It's the easiest thing and you're doing this and a lot of people within this podcast do that. I know that is you follow what you love.

When you know what you love, you will naturally calibrate to doing what it is that you love to do. Even if you're not doing it a lot because you don't think that's possible which is your belief and you'll get that. You do naturally get to that point. You don't have to question that. And that literally that love as best as I can tell is how we incarnate and stitch together this experience through like linear time and space is where like, whoa. Whatever that person, whatever that dunking is, whatever that noise, I love that so much. I'm gonna string through this thing where I forget sometimes that I'm even doing this whole thing.

And then we just kind of remind ourselves over and over that like, no, you're doing it. It's pretty fucking cool. It's an amazing thing. And like these bad experiences where you could say they're bad are actually like amazing teaching tools and not in like a pie in the sky kind of like toxically positive way. But like in a genuine like, no, there is a real magic in alchemy to like recognizing like, that's always what's going on. It's never not going on. It's the best of my knowledge so far.

No, I think you're absolutely right. And I think that you just described it kind of on a micro personal level. And I think the same applies to like a macro level. And you think about global events or particular global leaders that affect change or whatever we talked about this the other day about like to judge that as negative is just kind of like, it's a little silly at this point.

I knew you'd pull me back in. So the thing is like I also, I will just for people who are still weird about it, I have literally not paid attention to the election stuff. Trump or anything since the elections. I just looked because I heard they were going to send out stimulus checks again. I'm like, what are they doing now? Like they're going to send us like $600. Cool. That's the first time I paid attention. I went through a very interesting year where I feel like I fully appreciated not only Trump, but also Trump supporters and just like an ideology and what the resonant energy was there. And the reaction that came from many sectors of my life, everyone, everyone, everyone, we're still cool.

Was crazy. It was like violent. I was like, fuck this guy. Fuck everything he stands for. I'm like, do you not hear yourself right now? Like I think if you saw anyone doing that, you'd be like, hey, maybe you need to chill out. So like there is like this divine function for all of these characters in our life. And when you get it, it's better. It's like, you don't have to like get caught in this fucking, I hate this person game. This person's a fucking asshole. Making up imaginary people in your head to dislike. It's like, that's not worth it. No one wants to be spending their time doing that, but.

Yeah, I agree. People. I agree. No, I mean, he was masterful. I mean, look what he brought up. And look what he brought to the surface and look where we are now. I totally agree. I mean, what a master. I totally agree, I get so much flack from certain people. And all I would say is like, if that just saying that can trigger you because it changes your conception of who you think I am or like you are or whatever, it's like, that's not it. That's not it. Well, yeah, I mean, it's funny because in my work is very delicate and I work on a lot of people that want to like tell me how they feel politically.

Of course. And I don't care one way or the other. I see the whole thing is like a pageant. Yeah, it's like a masquerade. It's a masquerade and people really get very offended. So I try to be like Switzerland when I'm working. But I do. I definitely stand back and appreciate just the change. Like look where we are now. Like what the discussions, the energy that's been moved and shifted is phenomenal. I think like I have a good friend, Jessa. She does a podcast and she brought up, I thought a really good point. Like this age we're moving out of was an unconscious masculine age. That doesn't mean either the unconscious or masculine is bad.

We're moving into a feminine conscious period. There will be conscious masculine periods. There will be unconscious feminine periods. They're just energies. And to judge them is like, this is inherently bad. Again, misses kind of the macro point that that's not actually what's going on. They're energies to be worked with and understood. And like, yeah, there's a lot of change getting piped into this reality because a lot of people internally, and this is what I think creates our impression of what this dream like world is, is people kind of like, I have this weird feeling inside. Like maybe this isn't the way it's supposed to be.

Like maybe this isn't really what's best for everyone right now. Like I think there's a way we could raise the frequency. We're like, maybe there's just objectively less suffering. And then when you get to that point, the next hurdle I've found is to not get caught up in the game of fixing the outside world, it's then to go back inside and be like, all right, where there is in my life where I need to tighten up and I need to clean up and I need to heal. And we bring these wonderful fucking people into our lives to help us do that as reflections of what we're working through. I think once we get that awareness and kind of stabilize it, shit becomes fun.

Is the only way I can say it? Yeah, I mean, I think you touch on something there where I think it's the, people have to focus I think right now on their self-healing, right? I think everybody needs to do that. Like I know in my practice professionally, everybody is being asked to shed that which does not serve. Like it's a massive, it's a big ask. You know, there's a lot of structures that we've come familiar and comfortable within that are, you know, hard to change. But, you know, it's joining the dance right now. It's letting go, recognizing the chaos, kind of jumping in with it, not trying to fight it 'cause it's, don't fight it.

Don't fight it. If you die, you go down. That's how you drown. Ooh, yeah, and you can't really drown. That's the worst part. We're in this place where you can't, it's just imagine the sensation of drowning until you recognize like, I think I'd rather be above water right now. You don't like, die. You just like, and perpetually. It is, it's like a psychic flood. What are some things you learn in clairvoyant school? Like visualizations and stuff? What were some of the key ones you still utilize?

So what they would do is, we had all these funny terminologies, kind of like our own little language that when you got into the program, it was sort of like the easiest way to describe a process. So one of the little terms was blowing a picture, which would mean kind of like you would blow it up or destroy it. So what you would do is you would sit down, you would create a mental image picture on your kind of screen, if you will, if your eyes are closed, right? And you see yourself as separate than that which you are trying to remove out of your space. And you might even like create it as a symbol, and then you literally destroy it.

And you do that enough times and you will de-energize anything, right? So it's literally like a practice to take something out of you that you do not want in you. Like remove that kind of frequency.

Yeah, like say you're carrying around a lot of shame, for example, guilt or all these energies that you just.

You symbolize it or like make like a sigil or a symbol or like something that represents that. And then destroy it.

Could even be another person that you didn't want. It doesn't even have to be a negative thing.

Totally.

It's not, I wanna, yeah, I wanna differentiate that. Yeah, it's not negative. It's just the removal of that energy which you don't any longer want in your space.

That's very--

Could even be a lover that you're passionately in love with, that you just need a little separation with.

That is very, very important to say that it's not a negative thing to change, destroy, or kind of remove yourself from. In fact, it's actually a very healthy thing. I think that's a lot of like boundary stuff is, I think that's where a lot of self-healing and self-love is like being focused on right now. It feels like in linear time is boundary stuff and honoring what you're supposed to be doing because it's impossible to be in truly positive and authentic relationships with other people if you're not feeling like you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. And I mean, I know a separation, an imminent divorce, two small children have taught me this more than anything in the past year.

And all I know is, I'm sure you know this, it's like when you're not feeling and doing the things you're supposed to be doing, it's just like it leaks out in every area and nothing will teach you better than like a child. Like your own child, he's just like, "Ugh, what am I going?" Like how did I, what a really, like I gotta now go track this back to the source 'cause this is ridiculous.

Yeah.

They're teaching tools. And I think, I don't know, I don't, you have 10?

He's 10, yeah, he'll be 11 February.

Yeah. So I mean, what's his--

His name is Leo?

No.

Shit, I did not know that, that's--

He's a little Pisces, so he's really different than I am.

That's real.

Oh, he's a Pisces?

Yeah, he's really different than I am and that's the teaching edge for me is just to like really honor and nurture him for who he is and not kind of project some--

You're a shit.

Yeah, some like narcissistic bullshit. Like why is he different? Like I didn't do it that way or all that, those mental journeys.

Totally.

Absolutely. And then you end up putting shame in whatever into them for them just being who they are. So that's my edge is just to love this being and appreciate, he's like a little Buddha, he's all heart. He's all heart.

That's how they are these days.

Yeah, and it's taken me, I'm 48 now and I'm just now learning to like come from the heart. Like where it's been sort of not the safest place for me in the past to be as sensitive and as open as I am and live in the heart. You know, this culture of like--

Amen.

Suffering men and you know, bullies and it's rough out there, right?

I think that's a really important thing. I've been noticing that and saying it, not just for men, although a lot of men, but like the masculine here is getting healed and being asked to live from the heart space and recognize that it actually is a position of like true strength rather than weakness. Also, you mentioned something before when you're talking about the body work that I think was really important when you're working with other people that the vulnerability, I don't think you use the word, but the vulnerability that happens when you're doing that type of work is like a very precious and like sacred thing because not a lot of people move into that space regularly, sometimes ever, like legitimately with another person, even with themselves, they may have some barrier, whether it's like TV or doing something.

It's like a very kind of intimate space. It's a, that is something that I think a lot of people are also being asked to like really plunge into and challenge themselves like how to actually feel vulnerable. And man, what a lesson.

Well, what you just described is something that I take so deeply and appreciate to the deepest kind of levels of that vulnerability. Like it's, yeah, it's an honor, like to be able to hold space and that's where--

Hold space.

Hold space or even, maybe not even hold it. That's kind of a funny term, but maybe just allow space, but it is, there is a container involved for sure and I see it as a sacred vessel.

Totally.

And yeah, I think that is why I do the work. 'Cause I don't, like I really, like the only time I felt close, when my mom died and when Leo was born, 'cause my mom died in my arms, I was actually physically holding her. And so that, and that was an energy that I said to myself, oh wow, like I need to feel that again.

When was that?

That was in 2008, 2008. And so that informed me to be able to be with almost anything that's going on on a client level. And in fact, I've even probably taken about six people lately in the last couple of years here in New York. Massage them up to their death, basically.

Wow.

So that to me is the ultimate energy.

I have some friends you would love. My friend Jill's a death doula. And there's a lot of really cool people doing some stuff, even on this coast, she's in LA. But--

That's where I see my work heading. That and into the water.

Wow.

Water she got, water she got to, basically water she got to.

Okay, so both of those are awesome. I mean, I like the symbolic references, and also I just love water, of working in water, the unconscious and the psychic kind of transitory states. The death stuff, I think, is probably the most important, not the most important, but one of the most important things that's gonna be emerging as a theme, because I think as more people recognize that death truly is just a transition. It is not an end of. Personally, I'm actually warming to the idea that even individuality, what we perceive as ourselves, that doesn't go away until we're totally comfortable letting it go away.

So even the actual process of death isn't the stripping of individuality. I'm quite positive that even in the word and the root of it, individual comes from indivisible. It means it's part of the one. So even the word we refer to ourselves as as individuals means we're not actually divided from that thing. I have a very strong suspicion that more people will recognize that death isn't this looming specter and reaper to be feared, but actually a pretty amazing opportunity to process and go through a lot of things. And if we start looking at it like that, our experiences of it should reap rewards throughout our lives, and I also think we're dead now.

Truth, this is literally what I actually believe. I do really think that what we call life here is basically the most dead you can get, 'cause the illusion of death actually seems to exist. Like this finality, like this end, this existential dread. It's not true, but we're like, maybe it is. Like, holy shit, this is as close as it gets, and I really think that's what it is. I'm not saying we're gonna physically die, of course. Don't deny that, but I think once that kind of fear starts to get removed, people who are able to usher people through that, I mean, that's like, what's better than that?

Yeah, there seems to be a calling right now. People are waking up to the fact that the way we've been treating death is really terrible, you know, on so many levels. That was the thing that struck me when my mom was dying is we had to interface with all, you know, 'cause she had pancreatic cancer, so lots of trips to the hospital, listen to that, and it was just, we were treated so poorly. Like, just treated like, you know, cattle.

Like livestock, yeah. - Yeah, completely. So I thought to myself, well, obviously a revolution is needed in this industry, like, you know, top to bottom, and even hospice, 'cause you know, hospice came in, and they were great, you know, don't want to knock hospice, beautiful people doing beautiful work, but there was also kind of a limit to how, where they could go, what they could do.

Yeah, there's professional boundaries, you know, and I saw the need for way more of a spiritual approach to death and dying, so, you know, and a mechanical approach. You need like, touch, like for that, for example, music, all kinds of amazing things can happen for somebody to bring them peace and comfort.

Which is the goal. - Yeah.

It is, I see it because it is such a, your consciousness is withdrawing from a physical form. You want to make that as nice of a smooth trans, it's like a birth, you know, like you don't want like a fucking rough, horrible, chanky like thing, you know? Yeah, it might hurt a little bit, it might be a little weird, might be uncomfortable, but it is going to be something where it's like a pleasant experience, so.

I think so, I mean, it was interesting, 'cause before my mom died in the last month, she started to have way more kind of crossing the veil experiences and then coming back with information, so I was like, a kid in a candy store.

Well, I was just saying, well, I discovered because she was never really quite out of pain, the oxy cotton wasn't getting her out of pain, but I discovered that if I took one of those like super heavily coated higher milligram capsules, and that was meant to dissolve over time in the bloodstream slowly, maybe 100 milligrams or whatever, I would crush those and mix it up. And then I would give her like most of that at once, just 'cause she was suffering so bad in the pain, you know.

I had such a weird dream last night while you're saying this, I've never in my life, ever in my life, dreamt of any pharmaceutical, ever in my life, last night I had a dream about oxy cotton being crushed up.

Oh, that's interesting.

Where to God, what the fuck, that's weird.

Yeah, oh, I mean, I don't, oof, I wouldn't touch that stuff for the 10-foot plot, but.

No, me neither, I have no interest in it.

No, I know, but. - Holy shit.

But it was necessary for that, for that. Well, maybe not that particular drug, but something was necessary to get my mom out of pain, you know.

Of course, of course. My grandfather, when he was passing, I think he had, was it pancreatic, no rectal? It was horrible cancer, he was, they were a morphine drip. He was a morphine.

100%. - Yeah.

And by the end, the person is just like, click, click, click, click, just let it rip, because even if they give themselves a lethal dose, like, you know, that's all right.

It's an everything in constant, chronic pain.

And I, you know, I wasn't really toying with the lethal dose. I mean, there was definitely times, 'cause I was with her for eight months, and it was getting brutal.

Wow. - But there was times when I was like, ah, I can't do that. Like, she has her own time. She's working with creators. She's doing the finishings of her work here, even though she was kind of nonverbal at some points. But anyway, back to this particular story.

Yeah. - So I gave the first time I gave her, like, all those milligrams at once. She just, like, went into something.

Launched. - Launched, and I, she was laying up by a lap on the couch, and she was able to, basically, she was just in awe of the moment, and the energy in the room was unbelievable. So I'm sitting there, and I was just like, oh, wow. So then I was really gentle. I didn't want to talk too much to bring her out of the field. But at the same time, I was just like, Mom, what's happening? - It's happening. What's going on? - Yeah, and she described. She was bathed in light. All the people that she had ever known and loved on the planet that had both crossed over it, and some that weren't, were already there waiting for her to receive her. - Mm-hmm.

Jesus was there. - Of course.

Right? Yogananda. - Oh, of course.

Several other sort of religious or spiritual sort of iconic figures that had been in our home throughout. I didn't grow up religious, but we definitely grew up spiritual.

Or some of the other?

Well, Yogananda and the Self-Realization Fellowship were big teachings in my mom and dad. That's kind of like-- - I mean, Lahiri Mahasaya.

Yeah, exactly. So that whole line up to Babaji. We always had those pictures on the wall, right?

I mean, I had very weird synchronicities, actually at the Omega Institute with many of those people. Remind of Maharshi too, a lot of awesome people. The Self-Realization at Yogananda. Who was his, it wasn't Lahiri Mahasaya. Who was-- - Shri Yook Deswar.

Yook Deswar. - Love him. He thought that this was not the Kali Yuga. He was pretty confident on that one. He's like, this isn't the Yuga where everything is horrible. It's actually pretty awesome and getting better all the time.

Yeah. - And I agree with that.

Yeah, me too. - Cool.

Yeah, me too. - Continue your soul.

Yes, yeah, so they were all just there waiting for her and she was, I mean, I could tell she wanted to keep going, but again, she had her time. But so she was able to bring that back verbally as well as energetically 'cause I felt it. It was 100% just, it became part of me, you know? So I do carry that as a knowledge that, at least for me, I don't want to be careful of how I say that, you know? But for me, I feel like it's all good. Like when we cross over whatever that even means, it's, I don't think there's a heaven or a hell. You know, I just think it's energy. You know, do we keep learning?

I do believe that, yeah, I think as a soul, we are always evolving somehow or another.

In time, in linear time, that seems to be what is always happening. I do think we pull out when we're ready for the conception of time and space. I don't think that that is something that is like a scary and bad thing. I think it's like if anyone's done ketamine or any other dissociative, you can pull out of time and space and recognize that it's totally real, but it's totally not real. It's not, is what we think it is. I love hearing about the death stuff and the NDEs and people who cross the thresholds. I am what I would describe as like a very reluctant and resistant medium. It's happened to me enough times and been brought up by enough, you know, people who I trust quite a bit that it's real and it's a thing and it's fucking weird.

But there is this interfacing, I think, now of spirit worlds and what we perceive here just as like 3D regular reality and those worlds are kind of, you could say a veil is being lifted, they're merging. So I think our conception of what death is as an energy and how we can actually like relate to people who maybe are no longer physically here is also gonna help a lot of people because I think this, the finality I think is what freaks people out so much. The perceived end of the, will I ever see these people again? They're gone forever and that's never true. Like I'm sure there's been plenty of times in your life where you can feel your mom's presence.

Like she's like gone, she's not physically here. It's not the same, we like things the same, but they don't leave, you know what I mean? They still carry on and I think this also speaks to like this universal aspect of humankind or whatever you wanna call it, mankind, that basically we're one. Everything that has ever existed will exist, is existing, we have access to as like a limitless spectrum of possibility, this goes back to me thinking we're dead too. I think we basically project, we select based with our feelings and our emotions and using our desire as like a quick little calibrating device, we use our feelings to select from an infinite array of experiences, possibilities, timelines, relationships if we're to it with some level of awareness, you can get pretty good about not micromanaging and selecting how your life is gonna look and who it's gonna be with, but what you're trying to like move through energetically, as we do that, I expect we'll find, you know, a lot of the things that we've held to be true about this world are not.

It's much more like a dream. It's much more kind of magical and resonant and like laden with kind of amazing energy that's infinitely accessible. As people I think become in contact with this, our frequency of the planet of people begins to raise and like shit just objectively then gets better, but it always has to start as a subjective feeling. Like this is why I'm always telling people we're on the best timeline. They're like, you're crazy. We're not on the best timeline. In your life, things don't even seem like they're the best time. The world isn't on the best time. I'm like, no, that's wrong.

Like I fucking, one day, I'm sure this has happened to you. People have this happen to them. They just don't, they don't hold it. And I've forgotten it for sometimes years out of my life. Shit is great. Shit is literally perfect. Like you actually have all of the tools you need to live the best possible life ever. If that's true, let's just say it's true. It's true for you, it's true for fucking everyone. So as long as you can remember that, you basically collectively move individually and collectively move people to a resonant field that is kind of like the yoga nanda world that we're talking about.

I really, what's his name? Togem Trungpa would, I think I say, what's his name? Togem Trungpa would refer to as Shambhala, right? This enlightened vision city, this golden place, doesn't mean there's not painful and negative experiences. That's a part of it too. That's the beauty of this shit, so.

Well, you touched on something where we'd have to kind of share a resonant field, right? And that's the work right now is that we're so much distraction being thrown at humanity right now. From every corner, we're getting like, the illusions seem to be ramping up too. And so what people are aligning their beliefs to or their emotional structures to are like false. And what we need to be realigning, well, like I said earlier, like we have to heal. There's trauma in every one of us.

So much.

We are traumatizing the earth. For us to separate ourselves from the earth is insanity. So what we are doing to our mother, we are doing to ourselves. And so we have a huge responsibility as humans right now to do our self-healing work. And then, you know, the earth doesn't need really our help.

No, George Carlin said it. It's like the earth.

She's good.

It's fine.

She's gonna do what she's gonna do. She's gonna shake us down when the time is right. And it does seem like that time is coming pretty soon. I mean, the way we are thrusting forward without seemingly any care is alarming at best, you know? If you wanna live in physical form, you need to honor the ecosystem you exist in, in physical form at some point. Now, does this mean you have to live a false conception of what an ethical or moral environmental stance is? No, but just do when you know you should do something 'cause it's better for the planet or for your environment and feels right for you. Do that.

I tell people to imagine this all the time. Just imagine yourself being more environmentally conscious. That's it. That's it. You'll find yourself doing things, little subtle things, that if everyone did that, it would actually have a substantial impact. Also, I mean, I don't know about you. We live in kind of like a special area, just resource-wise, but I know people across the world in the country, like they're starting to get that, like, growing your own food, really, like, understanding what you put into your body, where it comes from, is maybe one of the most important things that will necessarily have a positive impact on the planet, that besides kind of undermining structures of, like, big corporations that have kind of capitalized, and I don't need to be clear.

I spoke about this with Denise a lot. I don't think these corporations, even like Monsanto, that they're not inherently evil. They don't do these things because they want to fuck over the planet. There may be an energy that's manifesting like that. It's just that the system, as it is designed right now, prioritizes capital, money, power structures, that make that what the companies do. They go, "Okay, we got to make the money. This is why we make the money. We're going to keep doing this. Pull it out of the earth. This is what we do." Eventually, I think it'll probably be people younger than us, truthfully.

They're going to be like, "Hey, guys, this is fucking insane. Can we maybe shift these systems to taking care of the planet, taking care of old people, making people feel better while they're alive?" I view that as inevitable, not in some, like, passive, let me sit back and wait for that to happen type of way. It's just something that I can clearly see. I see signs of it everywhere. Yeah. So I think. I mean, this is something I grapple with. I really do. Yeah, it's tough one. It really is tough. I mean, I recognize, I mean, I kind of feel like I have a foot in two realities sometimes. Right? Like, I recognize this.

Just two? I mean, I recognize there's so much crazy shit going on. There's wars happening. There is overdose. It's happening. There's human trafficking happening. There's pedophilia happening on a systemic level. There's, I mean, it's, I don't even know where to begin. Yeah, there's so much crazy shit going on. And like I said earlier, like, you still have to, you know, airplane on the mask analogy. We have to heal ourselves first, you know, and do our own deep inner work. And, and like, it's always a good thing too, to pick a cause and get behind it. And try to make, make, make change on that very sort of community grassroots level.

So, you know, I'm, I'm really trying, my hardest right now to kind of humble myself, really come from the heart, do the best work I can do with my professional life. And then look around my community to see like, where can I fill a gap or what can I do? You know, I, I get, I've had enough readings over the past year, especially during, to just put a different spin on it, during all of the Black Lives Matter, big time flare up the racial tensions with the police brutality. A lot of people be like, I want to do more. I feel like I should be doing more. I'm trying to do more. And what I always say is the first part of what you said, which is just take care of you.

Because then once you're taking care of you, you're going to realize how powerful you are. You're going to realize just by doing body work, if you did nothing else, if you are working on someone who has the major breakthrough or solution towards a major world problem, you did your job. You don't have to be the person fucking rallying on the streets, you need to do this. If it's something you genuinely care about, you'll find a way to get that expressed at some point. This is the same kind of approach I take with creative projects. Like, if you force that fucker out, it's going to be painful for you.

It's probably going to be a little more contrived. You just let that thing come out when it's supposed to come out. It's going to be perfect. It's going to, you're going to know it's perfect. Everyone's going to love it. You're going to feel it's great. So it sounds selfish. And ultimately, it is selfish, but it is being selfish sometimes is the most selfless thing you can actually do.

Yeah, it's not negative.

It's not a negative thing. You'll know when people who ask themselves, like, am I being too selfish here, are almost never being selfish. People who don't ask themselves that question are usually being selfish. So it's like a pretty easy thing. If you ever ask yourself, like, is this selfish, you're probably fine. Like, you're probably fine. You'll know. And like, there will be a part of you that like lets you know if it is, but yeah, the environmental stuff. I mean, I like the agora tantric approach to life. I like to go into every single energy from the inside out. That means sometimes I eat McDonald's.

That means sometimes I indulge in like, just clearly polarity-wise, like negatively charged things, but to show that they're just as illusory as anything else, that they don't bind you. They don't hold you to any more power. They just have their power from you. That's the whole fucking thing. Yeah, I think you're doing plenty for the environment. It's my hunch.

Yeah. - Just the hunch.

Yeah, yeah. I feel really good about it. You know, I, yeah, I don't drive a Prius or anything like that, right?

It's just been living up here even. It's like a big.

Yeah, and I mean, listen, I'm not one of those people that thinks that suddenly we're gonna just turn the ship around tomorrow. Like, I think that's not what's in store for us, you know? So I'm in a, and I'm not like living in a doomsday reality, but I just don't see us laying down. Every one of us would have to lay down so many personal little habits of clicking the stove on to heat our water or whatever it is that we're doing to this earth right now. So I feel like we're just gonna, we're just playing this one out, you know?

I think that's true, but I would also say that I've seen enough times in my own reality and just on a macro level that like a flick of the wrist in one direction really does change a lot. Like you are old enough, I'm old enough to know what the world was like before the internet.

Yeah.

And you had to like pick up the phone with the cord and call people and a busy signal and all that shit.

You actually have the phone number stored in your head.

Now look at the world we're living in and we didn't perceive that as it was happening as some like radical shift in reality. Like there were big upgrades, like, oh my phone, oh they're like computers now. But like it's a massive shift just in like 20, 30 years. I think from what I'm seeing with time in terms of its acceleration, I think we're gonna see some really rapid change both in terms of the earth clapping back, big time. I don't think it's gonna be like,

Everything's great guys.

Really, I think it's gonna be some devastation for--

And we gotta talk about AI then because--

AI don't worry about too much. I think we're the AI basically. I mean, in a very non scary way, hopefully for people, I just think that like AI is a reflection of our ability to structure ourselves as like avatars in a game, in a video game, right? The game can feels like a first person, you know, we're going around, we're doing our stuff, but really like when you zoom out, it's more like an RPG. It's something I'm borrowing from my friend Jessa. You play through roles and that is what this is. I don't think, I don't know, we're gonna see, I'm weirdly very optimistic about the future of this reality.

I mean, I wouldn't be having kids at the rate that I am if it weren't. But I also recognize there is gonna be a lot of transition and upheaval to move into systems that are substantially different than what we're experiencing now. And it does feel like that is imminent.

Yeah, we will, I mean, humans are amazingly adaptive. We will figure out a way. But yeah, we might go through some stuff on the way there, you know, and that's okay. Like again, no judgment on that.

It's like everything, you know, sometimes we get sick in life, you know, we get like a cold or a flu, or I mean, sometimes people die of things, you know? Like even with COVID going around and all these things, there's all this energy exists. It's our relationship to it. And to me, if it's ever feeling disempowering or like circumstances or things are controlling you, that's your calibration mechanism. Don't buy into that as an actual reality 'cause in your concrete, you know, it's crystallizing. That is true. That's like you, that's when you can like push back a little bit or allow it, figure out what you're gonna want and then create and generate from there.

It just seems like the main five that a lot of people are learning now. I mean, I didn't do money. We're talking about a little bit before, like, I mean, in 10 years, I think just people's concept of what money is is gonna be radically different. And I see it already with crypto stuff. It doesn't matter who it is. You will know someone. If you are in this world, you will know someone in the next five years who, all of a sudden, has way more money than anyone you've ever known in your entire life. I literally have, I've been in this space now for eight years, I see it all the time. I see what's happening now.

That alone, if you go through like every pod of person and has one of those people who like, hopefully they know how money works and they're not gonna fuck it up and they're not gonna fucking get old weird with power structures with it. But let's say 10% of all of those people who are now like instantly wealthy. 10% of those have a positive relationship with money. Recognize it is something to be kind of like circulated and given and like used substantially. That alone will completely reshape kind of the economic structure of how things work because people really will start prioritizing which they kind of got a taste of with the pandemic and the lockdown like, what do I really want to be doing?

Like, what am I supposed to be doing now?

Yeah, it's funny how the interesting feeling come up or many feelings during the beginning of the pandemic. And I started to feel that people that were amassing wealth on the level of like a Jeff Bezos or whatever they, I felt like it was gross, like wrong. Like, and I know I don't, I try not to even judge anything. And yet that one felt like just disgusting, you know? Like to hear about like the how the workers of the corporation that they were for being treated when you have a person that could literally bail the country out if you wanted to, you know? I mean, the way I also, you know, that's his role.

He's no different than like a Trump. It's kind of gross to some people. Couple things come to mind. One is, I get my news from TikTok now. So you're just gonna have to accept that as a reputable source. But I saw this TikTok and this dude didn't seem like he was lying. And he's like, listen, I used to be a gold trader. Like I worked with big venture capitalists and firms. And he's like, I've seen shit that like would blow people's mind. He's like, I once saw a guy in the Philippines with a checking account with more money in it than Jeff Bezos. And if you know Jeff Bezos, his money isn't liquid.

That's in stock. He's not actually having all of that. But he can't spend, go to a bank and say, and he's like, I saw it. He's like, that guy gave me two fucking Bentley's as a bonus and $50,000. Like you don't even understand. So there's people who are privately, significantly more wealthy than a Jeff Bezos. One of Jeff Bezos's, you know, desires in life is to be known as the richest man in the world. That's just what he wants. He wants it so bad. He got it. That's literally like he projected out that image. In terms of accumulation of wealth.

It's far more concentrated.

It's concentrated, but it also will begin to show itself as like not the mechanism of like happiness or fulfillment or contentment. And that as it gets broken down. I actually don't think that gets broken down specifically by someone having a lot and being like, well, that guy's not happy. It's that there are gonna be people who start to just tune in to what they actually want. And if it's a million dollars, great, it's a million dollars. It's probably a news flash, not a million dollars. Like maybe that'll make some aspects of your life easier. Go for it, nothing wrong with a million dollars. But there is gonna be this deep internal sense of satisfaction and contentment and fulfillment when you're doing the things you wanna be doing, when you're in the places you wanna be.

This is the best time ever to like wake up to that because the world is literally on one big pause, pattern interrupt. No one knows what's going on. Everyone is making it up. That is gonna become more and more apparent as time goes on. It's not becoming less apparent. That the onus then becomes on every person individually to kind of like shape what they want for themselves and their world. Like that's it, the money part of it. Like, dude, I just, it sounds so fucking crazy. 'Cause I love money for one very specific reason. There's so much energy placed on it. As the dominant power structure, one of the dominant power structures in our world, so many people have a very like strong relationship to money.

They hate it, they don't love it, it's fine, it's good. Just everyone has that. So when you can just look at it and see it also as illusory as anything else, truthfully and manifest it out of nowhere, spend it, borrow it, circulate it, give it, it's the coolest fucking thing to me because what it really is is like anything, I'm sure you know this, just like the work that you do, if it's an expression of your love and it's an expression of like being kind and giving and generous in an authentic way, it's as good as anything else. And there will be enough people I think, plant that seed of thought around where like, no one's gonna give a shit about Jeff Bezos.

You're just gonna look and be like, all right, that's his cool dude, whatever. I mean, he also like doesn't have the power, no single person no matter how concentrated their wealth is, has the power to change these structures. It has to be an internal decision to do that. He could be a great part of it. I saw his white ex gave like five bill to like some, I don't know what it was, an environmental, I have no fucking idea. She gave five billion into a charity. Yeah, I find it fascinating. I listen to all these Ron Chernau books, he's the guy who did the Hamilton documentary, biography that, what's his name turned into the Lin-Manuel turned into the play.

And he did these huge series on Rockefeller, JP Morgan, and this great book called The Warburgs, which is German dynasty, yeah, okay, dude. People should listen to these things to understand how wealth, like the ideas of what wealth and money are like actually began. Like it's--

Yeah, well you're going into the formation of the Federal Reserve Bank.

Yeah, Hamilton, that's Hamilton, by the way. He founded the fucking Fed.

Well, he founded the pre-conception of centralized banking that turned into the Fed. Yeah, Paul Warburg, how about this shit?

Yeah, it all seems to point back to the Bank of London, right? The like massive center of it all.

You know, John D, you know that stuff, the scrier, the wizard of the British Empire. He, there's a lot of interesting things that point to a very metaphysical kind of basis for London, England's and the UK's conquest of the world and kind of the energies that--

Bro, I think we're talking about something so magnificent. We can't even wrap our brains around.

I love it. Dude, we're gonna cut this one abruptly 'cause I'm definitely gonna have you back on.

We gotta do this again.

We have to do it again.

Well, let's let your listeners feed back on that one.

They're gonna wanna get it back.

Dude, four questions. I usually say three, but it's actually four. What's your favorite color?

I love blue.

What's your favorite number?

Seven.

Nice.

An animal.

Large cats like leopards and--

Cool.

And what's a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you can share with people listening? (sighs)

Go easy on yourself. Be gentle. Honor that tender part of yourself that is the most human. That which is the slowest part of yourself at times. Yeah, just nurture that, honor that, tend to that, and be good to that.

I love it. Thanks for coming on, ma'am.

Thank you, bro. It's been great and so fun.

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Shit's good, guys. Really. We are energetically in a good place. Believe that, accept it, know it. It's fun times. Until next week, happy imagining.

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