Ep. 39 - Getting Astral with Cory Allen

You're listening to MindPod Network. This is synchronicity. Welcome to episode 39 of Synchronicity. I'm in a pretty good mood today. Wait, my guests, my guests. Corey Allen is my guest today. I'm going to get to Corey. I'm also going to start cutting down my descriptions of podcast episodes and guests, right? It's in the episode. It speaks for itself. And that was a particular point of feedback I received. So I'm going to try that out. If it doesn't work, I'll go back to talking a long time about the guests in the episode. But as I was saying, I am in a pretty happy mood. It was my birthday yesterday, July 20th.

And I turned 33 years old. And for some reason, I'm usually not a huge birthday person, but I'm really loving 33. Now I'm going to segue right into something that maybe isn't making a lot of people feel pretty good, which is the Republican National Convention, GOP Convention. Holy shit. I don't know if you've been watching. So I've been watching on basically CBS News has a live thing you can watch on your phone. It's just like a constant feed of what's going on. And they're showing the whole convention. It's fucking insane. I really don't know what to make of what's happening to the Republican Party and politics in general in this country.

Maybe it's always kind of been like this, but because of the unprecedented access and conversations we have about what's going on, it's just being hyper-focused. But I don't think so. I remember growing up and not thinking that as much as maybe George W. Bush was kind of a dopey, not so smart guy. And he is pretty smart. As much as you may think that George Bush, whatever you think about him, he reads a lot at least. He's not like a total dope bill USA. Maybe he is, but like Donald Trump, I don't know. I also don't think Donald Trump is stupid. I really don't. I think he's just subservient to a part of himself that most people are a little more self-conscious of for the positive.

I've never seen anything like this. I think he is really excellent at manipulating the media. And then also people who are disenfranchised and want to blame other people. He's an expert at this. Unfortunately, those are kind of the hallmarks of fascism. Which is not a good thing. Let's be clear about that. So this convention has just been totally fucking nuts. And the speakers are... If you haven't been watching it, you don't have to watch it. I watch it because I want to know. I want to understand or at least try to understand people who have radically different viewpoints on our country, the world compassion, just different outlooks.

I think it's really valuable to try to understand that. I'm just consistently left feeling that this is just so hate-based at this point. It's like jarring to see. I am definitely going to vote because I'm not a huge Hillary Clinton fan. I don't think she's nearly as bad as many people want. I think she is or I don't think she's so great. But I think that compared to Donald Trump, holy shit. And that's basically been the general theme of the RNC, too. Because it's a pretty divided political base. But it's just anyone but Hillary, it seems like. They're talking about locking her up. They don't even know why they brought this poor woman out who lost a son in Benghazi.

The Benghazi attack who personally blames Hillary Clinton as though she like sent these people to murder her son. It's just... it's terribly sad. So yeah, it's pretty shitty. But I'm still tuning in. I think it's important to know. So there's your update in case you've been saying away from that, no escaping it. Even on synchronicity, talking about politics. Oh, which brings me to another thing. I'm recording a podcast next week with David Silver, previously of Mind Rolling podcast. One of my best friends just saw him in New York. Such a cool guy, but he's coming on. I'm sure we'll talk about politics.

Okay, wanted to give an update to actually speaking. I'm going to change this a little bit. Speaking of going up to New York. So I mentioned in the previous podcast, we're going to look at places in the Hudson Valley to move me and my wife Alexis and my son Eli. I'm going to look for places. We went up there last week for this. I also went up for a talk by Mindrow Rinpoche who wrote the joy of living Tibetan Buddhist Vajrayana teacher. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing guy. The talk was dying dreams and awareness. They didn't get to dreaming as much as I had hoped. But they got to the dying. They got to the awareness.

And it was awesome. It was him and Richard Davidson who studies the brain neuroscience in Wisconsin, I believe. And really a fascinating talk. It was at Riverside Church in New York City. So great, great talk. It's actually freely available. I'm going to put a link on the podcast page. syncpodcast.com or minepodnetwork.com. There'll be a link inside of this episode for a full stream of that entire talk. So you can see exactly what I saw. But just on your computer. You have to go to New York. So when we went to New York, we were a little sick, Alexis and me. And let's just say going up to the city, driving with a baby, staying in a hotel for a night, being sick, doesn't make you less sick.

So our plans were to go out and check out all these places. But we actually had to drive right back another four hours the next day to go back home and recover, which we're just getting over it now. Summer sickness is kind of the worst, right? Don't like them. But anyway, that's going to be happening later. So if you're in the upstate New York area, we'll be there soon. Update quickly. Synchronicity generosity experiment. This is going awesome. I think we're almost $200 over funded for what the initial goal was, which was $500, which I know somewhat modest, but not too low, not too high. But we're trucking along.

This thing is going to the end of August. If you don't know what this is, or if you need a reminder, raising money for a person or persons who we're going to collectively pick together. We're going to vote via the website via the podcast. Where to send this money to? Someone who's in need, someone who really could benefit from it. And I think it's a cool way of extending generosity out into the world, giving some green energy money stuff. So you can donate to that if you go to synchpodcast.com/generosity. There's a page, and there's also a GoFundMe, which will ultimately get linked to, which is how we're collecting money.

So that's going great. I'm so happy that it's already overfunded. I didn't know what to expect. I tried to put in enough of my own money that it wouldn't be a total failure, but I didn't -- I wouldn't have even had to do it at this point. So that's super happy. I'm super happy about that. I really appreciate everyone who is donating and contributing. Very awesome. Okay. Now -- oh, and also -- I'm not going to let you go. It's going to be a long intro. Rate and review. The review started coming in again. I love it. It makes me feel so good. It helps the podcast. It lets me know that you guys are appreciative of this, and you're getting something out of it in ways that I never would have thought.

Really. Please. I love that you do that. Continue to do that. Even if it's a bad review. Go say I suck. I don't care. Thank you. And if you want to donate to synchronicity, there are some very Patrick. You're out there. I know you must be a listener because you keep donating. You're way too gracious of a person, but you can also donate to synchronicity to cover the operational costs of running, creating, promoting, and marketing this podcast. It even needs -- even something like this needs marketing, right? Okay. It's inescapable. But if you do it in a cool way, I think people like it, and that's been my response.

Okay. Corey Allen. Just going to talk about Corey a little bit. I will save this, and this should give you some indication of how I feel about Corey. Corey is the last man in, last person in, onto MindPod Network for the next few months. We're officially adding his podcast. It's called The Astral Hustle. It's pretty frickin' awesome. I chose to go as frickin' there. See, I'm not always swearing. I get a lot of feedback where people do not like my potty mouth. I'm sorry. I don't -- I don't -- I watch -- oh, I watch this Tony Robbins documentary. The motivational speaker self-help guy. I love Tony Robbins.

Super cool. And he swears like a sailor. And his justification is it can wake people up because people have such an interesting relationship with words that it can be like kind of like a doorway into them getting to pay attention. I wish I could claim that's why I swear. It's kind of just, unfortunately, at this point, a natural thing. But I think that's a valid thing. If it can help someone wake up or if it can normalize some stuff that otherwise people wouldn't swear when talking about some shit, I think that's a good thing. Also, check out that documentary. It's called "I Am Not Your Guru." Tony Robbins, really excellent.

It's on Netflix. But Corey. Corey Allen. Corey is a podcaster, as I mentioned. He is a meditation teacher. He is a audio engineer. He is an audio producer, a music producer. He's incredibly accomplished. He seems like he gets way more done than anyone I know. Not anyone I know, but a lot of people I know. I ask him a little bit about that in this episode, too. But he's just like a really, really cool guy. His voice is made for radio or podcasting. You'll hear that. Such a sweet, sweet baritone, dulcich tone that he puts out into the world. Really cool guy. That's all I'm going to say. That's it, right?

Those are the teasers that you're getting now. I'm not going to go into the whole thing. This is who they are. You'll hear me talk to Corey. There's information on the episode page on minepodnetwork.com and syncpodcast.com. Also, the final sign-off note. The people at MinePod Network internally, all of the podcasters were really officially banding together. You may have heard it right before the intro to synchronicity. There's a little audio cue. We're going to be doing some cool stuff coming up. So stay tuned for that. Without further ado, here is Corey Allen. Hello. Hey, what's going on, man?

Not too much, man. How are you? I'm good. You have such a good radio voice. It's funny, man, is that every single phone call that I have, every single podcast I do, every meeting I have, every Skype meeting, that's the first thing I've ever been saying. I mean, it's unavoidable. Do you know what I mean? I remember speaking to you before, and I noticed the same thing. Yeah, it's just unavoidable. I mean, it's a gift, right? That's a cool thing to have people say to you. Well, yeah, it's funny. It's just how I go through life, so I don't think about it. Of course. But I'm constantly reminded. I used to have my profile on Twitter used to be the berry white of the sonic undertow.

That's awesome. How are you doing, man? I'm good, man. I'm good. As calm as I might sound, I'm actually highly caffeinated right now. But what do you drink coffee every day? Oh, yeah. I'm a big, big coffee guy. I had breakfast with a friend this morning and killed four iced coffees straight away. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. No, so I'm not a huge coffee drinker. I used to when I went to an office many, many years ago, I would drink coffee because there's no way I was going to wake up naturally to do that mundane type of work. But when I started working for myself, I really stopped drinking coffee. I smoked a lot of weed, which is kind of like my coffee.

Sour diesel. Yeah, a good sativa is exactly like I imagined what a similar effect is. Not exactly the same as caffeine, but an upper alertness that is useful. But I recently discovered I didn't know that Starbucks is basically dessert. Like I just, I didn't realize that. Like I never went to a store. I would get like a hot chocolate from there once in a while. But my wife took me off to the caramel macchiatos. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I've been drinking those. And it's just like two shots of espresso, but the effects are noticeable. So I totally, I get the caffeine thing now and I had been off it for so long.

It's a drug, man. It's like a real, real drug. Certainly, and in those Starbucks drinks, man, a lot of the boost you're feeling is probably sugar. Oh, without a doubt, not to mention. It's just like a, it's like a bomb of unhealthiness. It's like whole milk, sugar, caffeine. And they're totally addictive, like psychologically too, because I didn't even know they existed, you know, three weeks ago and now I'm having like three, four weeks. Yeah. It's like, it's like being a rat in a lab experiment where they plug up nodes to the brain and it gives you, it just pings all of the areas of the brain, which are like receiving biological pleasure.

So you go get one of those, you get like sugar, you get caffeine, and then you get fat from the dairy. And it's just, you know. Oh, and I was also like looking, I mean, it's totally true. I completely, I mean, I'm, I'm pray, I fell prey to it all the time, but I was looking like at Starbucks, their logo is so like mystically, like imbued. It's like at this weird goddess, like sea symbol thing and I'm like, man, this thing, no wonder people are just constantly coming back and there's always some special thing. I'm looped into their reward system now. It's fucking nuts. You're in the Starbucks Matrix now.

I really am. And now I realize that this has been underpinning so many of my friends lives for a really long time because a lot of people go to Starbucks. I never got it. I didn't know it was dessert. I had no idea. It was not. But fortunately, living in Austin, there's so many really like next level coffee roasters and coffee shops in town that I always, you don't have to feed the teeth of Starbucks. Right. Yeah. I'm pretty, I'm pretty serious with my coffee, man. I buy, you know, specific beans and a specific roast, a specific kind and I do the freshly ground bean every morning with the pour over coffee system, you know, so I take it pretty seriously.

That's all my mom does. What kind of beans do you get? I get this kind. It's called a Fazinda Pantano. It's a, it's from a local roaster named Cuve here. That's, that's really awesome. Cool. And why, why, what's the difference is beat? It sounds like coffee is like wine to some people and there's like discernible effects. Like what's the, what's the advantage of the, just the taste? Well, the taste is one thing, but also like in the same way that alcohols or you said wine or, you know, different kinds of weed or whatever. Yeah. The main is going to give, you know, you'll have a different biological feedback towards that based upon your own chemistry.

So, you know, some people like tequila, some people like vodka, some people like whiskey. And sometimes tequila makes people crazy. Sometimes whiskey makes other people crazy, but it's different person to person. And to me, I find that each different bean will give you a different result. So some of them will make you feel more tweaked and more whatever. Some of them have a cooler burn and a clearer, you know, a clearer mind with no crash. So I search out the ones that are nice and cool, but still sharp and also taste good on top of it. That's awesome. That's awesome, man. That's a great way of deciding what to consume and eat.

All right. So we kind of just jumped right in because it was easy to have a conversation with you, but I wanted to back up and say like, first of all, thank you for coming on and doing this. I really appreciate it. I've also had the pleasure of getting to like find out a little bit more about you. I know we spoke on the phone a month or two ago was before I had a kid, I think, and then I had a kid and my whole world changed. But I'm totally blown away by a lot of different facets of who you seem to be, at least from what I can gather online. I also wanted to point out that I love your birthday is February 22nd, right?

So 222 is like one of my favorite, all always pervasive mystical numbers that's like followed me around in my life. So I think that's super cool that you're right. Yeah, also, I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but also 82 is my birth year. So I always have looked at that as two, two, two, and then there's an A and then there's a two. And if you add all those twos up, that equals an A. And if you turn those sideways, that's two infinity signs. That's right. That's right. That's awesome, man. So okay, can you tell me, you do a lot of different things, you just, you're, you've been studying meditation, you just want some meditation course, you do audio engineering.

You make music, you are an extremely productive person. You're interested. You have a podcast, Astral Hustle. How did, how did this all kind of come about? Like what, how did you get here, man? Well, I think my dad had a couple of extra drinks one night, took a look at my mom. And then I dumped out the cosmic vagina elevator into this moment of space and time. But really, yeah, it all unfolded of an interesting path in that I was always interested in music from the time I was really young. And eventually I made that my career by doing audio production. At the same time, running parallel with my interested in music, I was always interested in philosophy, mindfulness, consciousness, all of those type of things, misses every possible direction, really ultimately trying to figure out what the fuck was going on in this world.

And like how was the broadcasting of my very awareness even possible and what could I find out about it? So professionally, I was doing music stuff, mastering records, mixing and doing that type of thing. So personally, making records in my own music, which all relate to themes and concepts based around consciousness and so forth. And so over time, especially over the last couple of years, what's happened is that since various people I've met and various projects I've been a part of, the interest it seems has shifted from my music and music production to my point of view and my philosophy on consciousness and things of that nature.

So one thing has sort of led to another in the sense that making music to kind of deal with consciousness and then having conversations being on different podcasts and then public people hitting me up asking me, urging me to create my own podcast, all that stuff. And it's all kind of unfolding to these other things. And I've studied meditation for close to 20 years now. And so that was always a very private practice to me. And one day, a couple of years ago, I decided that kind of a way I could be of service in my free time was to just lead these guided meditation workshops. So I started doing that with regularity and the results and the change I saw it affecting people that were there was so extraordinary that people bursting in the tears, young teenagers coming up to me, I had one say that he had a near death experience and that he was trying to get over the PTSD of that and that that's why he came.

But some of the things I was describing in the astral during the guided meditation, he was like, that's what I saw moments close to death. How did you know those things, et cetera, et cetera. And you know, it's being able to connect with someone like that and say, hey, man, you know, that's a layer of the fabric of the universe that you can get to in many ways to not be scared by that experience and so on. And people like that, they'll say, they'll come up to me afterwards and say, I'm a doctor or a surgeon rather. And I work in the military hospital and I get up and I drive from Austin to San Antonio every morning and I basically do surgery on 19 year olds to come back from war with missing legs, missing arms, missing all of the above works for 10 hours, drives home to Austin, then has two kids and a family is trying to take care of.

And he's like, I'm trying to like find a way to feel grounded and this seems to be something that could help me, you know, stuff like that that really moved me to put more energy into putting out some of what I've learned over the years and has helped me of making available for other people. Man, that's, that's really awesome. And I think there's nothing better than that being the impetus behind trying to get something out there is helping people and especially seeing, I mean, when you see your, your words or your space that you can create have an impact for someone in a positive way, like that's, that's the coolest stuff.

So wait, but you, you glossed over, I think one of the most interesting things, which is the astral stuff. So astral projection is a very, very interesting thing for me. I mean, I think I first got tuned into it, I don't know, 15 years or so, maybe a little bit more than that. And you know, a lot of it came from experiencing psychedelics in teenage years and then in college. And then I've always been fascinated with dreams and lucid dreaming, which is not totally different. Um, Robert Monroe's book, "Journey's Out of the Body" was always something that fascinated me and the fact that there was an institute and there was, you know, someone had went through the trouble to record these things.

It, the more I've read over the years confirms that this wouldn't even be a strange thing to experience given what, you know, we've collectively pulled together in terms of knowledge. How did you get into like, what do you astral project number one? Number two is, well, how did you get into it? How did it come across what you were doing? Meditation and astral projection aren't necessarily the same thing. They can be related. So, so where's that connection? Well, um, it was revealed to me, you know, I wasn't searching for it, but it was revealed to me. And whenever my, my early twenties, um, whenever I was several years into meditation, I started just, I had a very disciplined practice.

I have a very, not obsessive personality. I mean, some might view it as obsessive in some ways, but I have a extraordinary drive towards things that I find fascinating. That's good. That's called a good thing. Right. Right. And so, um, awakening my mind was one of those things. And so in my meditation practice, always very disciplined and because it was fascinating, because I started figuring out that through this practice that this veil, the horizon of my consciousness was, was unfolding and revealing and I could see further and further and further within myself and within these other spaces. And basically what happened was, um, during my, this will sound weird, perhaps, but at one point, whenever I was working on, I was in the period of cultivating the one pointed mind.

That was what I was focusing on, or I like to call it the Eagle Gaze. Um, and what I would do in my apartment, when I was 22, would light a candle and I would put that candle on my desk and then sit and meditate and stare into the candle flame until that candle burned out. Cool. And doing that every night for months. Holy shit. Yeah. That'll, that'll elicit some change, I imagine. Right. Right. It, that really helped under, under various states of consciousness, sure, sure. That will help me, um, it helped me cultivate the focus within my internal self in the sense that it helped me really guide my intellectual, um, and visual focus within myself, um, to, to a, to a place where I could control it and towards very strong.

And I went back to my regular meditation and what began happening was it truly began just unfolding to me where I'd be meditating and I started noticing just kind of a gray fog or something. And in my vision, this weird thing, and the best way I can describe it is it's like dreaming while you're awake in your mind's eye, but being able to also interact with and control that dream. And so I started seeing this gray fog and then time went on and it was like I saw through that fog and realized that now the thing that was creating that fog was this white kind of silver electrical light that was this, this spiral, the pinwheel of white light in my third eye space that continued spinning and spinning and this is over various, you know, multiple meditations.

Sure. Sure. That, that began spinning and unfolding. And then I started to have odd experiences like I would be looking at that, that light spinning and then it'd be like two elevator doors would open really fast and there'd be a bunch of little like alien insect creature things in there, which all looked terrified at the side of me. Sure. And then it would slam closed and I would be like, what the fuck was that? And no more response. Right. And then, you know, I just pursued that pursuit of pursuit and until it became to a point where I used to, again, this is more than, this is, I guess, 12 years ago or something when I was in my early twenties, I would also make my own makeshift float tank in my apartment.

Since my apartment was on a boiler system where it didn't run out of hot water, you know, I would, I would get the, this plug that I, I kind of fashioned so I could halfway plug the bathtub and I would turn on the water where it was like the perfect temperature and I would, I would have the plug going where it was draining as fast as a new water was pouring in. So staying the same. Right. So I would get in there, close the, you know, pull the curtain, turn the lights off, you know, take whatever I was going to take. And then just have my own little float tank going on and I would fall asleep in there.

I would do that like every night for several years. I'd fall asleep in there all the time and I flooded, my foot accidentally hit the plug a couple of times and I flooded the apartment a couple of times. So anyway, I would have those experiences where, you know, my, in, in that space, I would do my meditation and, and I'd have all these, these experiences, which later I would read about and say, oh, that's, that's a classic experience, but over time, I've become gained more command that that accessing that space and began to be able to explore it more. And it got to a point where I just would close my eyes at any time and I would get access with that realm.

Absolutely. Totally. And I was going to say that, and that was one of the reasons I, I went with my friend, Aubrey had invited me to go to Peru, you know, for some ayahuasca ceremonies. And one of the reasons I was interested in doing that other than just curiosity was for validation. And I wanted to say, is the thing that this, this is said to you, you're said to be able to blast it into the astral from this experience is what I'm experiencing now when I close my eyes, that same experience. And I found that it was, right, right, right. So what were you taking to induce these strictly meditative things?

But were you taking various psychedelics, like how, what was, what was going on at that point? Yeah. In that point, I was basically just smoking, smoking weed and also taking mushrooms, you know, sometimes. And in my, you know, teenage years, I took a lot of acid and shrimp and whatever. But I was always oddly interested in doing work on that. I wasn't, I was never want to take those and be like, ah, I'm going to run around and be crazy. Right. I want to brought it back. Even at that young age, I was always trying. So I totally relate to that. I even looking back at my early explorations with psychedelics, it never, ever, ever felt recreational.

Exactly. And I mean, I, like I said, I smoke a lot of marijuana, I ingest a lot of marijuana. It can obviously delve into recreational use. I don't specifically just use it for that too. But psychedelics, I don't think there was ever a time where I was like, hey, let's just take a bunch of mushrooms and get fucked up. Like that never, ever really, there always seemed to be such a real and practical benefit and contact with things. I find it fascinating that your experiences were validated in Peru. Tell me a little bit about doing ayahuasca. I ask everyone who's done it, you know, I'm totally fascinated, haven't done it, haven't smoked DMT, but I love hearing about experiences people who have.

Well, I had a top 10 experience, I would say, after they say that your, you know, what you'll receive is what you're able and ready to receive at that time. And I think that I came to it at just the right time after spending pretty much my entire life cultivating that mental space and that connection. And I had, after, you know, my second ceremony there, I had such a extreme experience that I told my friend, my friend Aubrey Marcus, who's done a lot of those things and another friend, Mick Scholtz, who has done a lot of those things as well. He, telling them my story in Aubrey was just like, wow, out of, you know, everyone hits him up and tells him there are, right, eye stories.

And he was like, that's got to be one of the top two, you know, extreme ones I've ever heard. It's awesome. I mean, how can I cut, I can try and distill, you know, 20 hours into, into 20 seconds, real quick. 20 hours, go through it, minute by minute, detail by detail. Long short of it is that I basically, you know, a good way to frame it is the, the Maestro Don Howard that was there before each ceremony, he would go around to each person and, you know, pat them on the heart and tell them something that they needed to hear at that moment to prepare them for that evening. Really, I could hear him saying things to people like, you know, it's all in your heart.

Just look in there, you know, focus and believe in it and follow your intuition. And you know, you'll, you'll get to where you need to go, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. First ceremony he came up to me, put his hand on my shoulder and goes, I see you brother. And that was it. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, where's my, it's all in your heart. So, yeah, I mean, the first night cutting it, of course, way, way down to oversimplifying it. But basically, I had a giant blue meteor hit me in the chest that seared a hole in blue heart energy, like exploded out of my chest. I began to see the echorose, which are the shamanistic songs in the, the form of those music flowing out of space time, and like this, these, this kind of blossoming liquid neon mandalas kind of flowing.

I could see the shape of the music, which those chappebo patterns that you related. That is what the echoroses look like. That's why they draw the patterns that way. I found out in that moment. And then, you know, at the time I was, I was very much looking at, I was like, well, how can I move this energy that I feel towards other people whenever I sense they're not feeling well? Awesome. So I was trying to blast these like rainbows of light from myself towards the other people who were suffering and vomiting. And I was like, well, everyone, there's 20 people in here vomiting, which by the way, to someone who spent their life working on audio, hearing 20 people all simultaneously vomit around you.

It was quite a fun experience, like some vomit doppler effect. So then I looked at Don Robert, the shaman, and I saw multiple beams of rainbow light coming out of him and hitting multiple people simultaneously. And I thought, oh, okay, that's how you do it. You stack this thing. And then I, you know, various other small things. The second, so that was my confirmation. The second night I was the intense night. And this time my, my pep talk from Don Howard was, he came over to me, but again, everyone else is, oh, yeah, it's all in your heart, you know, trust, follow up, blah, blah, just open up. And he came over to me, put his hand on my shoulder and goes, gory, and that was it.

And so, so now I knew what I was dealing with. I went up there. They serve, you know, they say that they'll serve you the, the amount that you need in that time. Right. They serve me a huge glass, like their, their bowl was the size of like a Tibetan singing bowl. Chug that down. And basically, you know, it all came on really fast. This time this huge, huge meteor, similar blue meteor, but it was larger. Hit me in the chest, but it was the size of kind of armpit to armpit, seared a hole. Incredibly explosive blue light came out. I, as always, it was flicking little, you know, the spirit was flicking insects and, and snakes and skulls that may trying to scare me.

But for whatever reason, just in life in general, I don't, I don't feel fear per se. I mean, of course, there's biological responses towards, if like a car in the other lane is coming towards you. Oh, fuck. I swear that that's good, healthy, you know, biological reaction, but as far as being hung up in intellectual chains of your own mind, I, I've pretty good about not feeling those things and, and so as those, those snakes and skulls and what have you would be tossed at me, I would just laugh and I, and I would literally, you know, in, in your mind's eye, you're talking and I guess the word to describe it is psychically, but you're sort of speaking to these other consciousnesses and your mind's eye and I would just go, come on, bitch, stop that shit.

That's, that's cute. That's the time for that. I'm here to do my work and you can show me snakes and skulls that I want, but it's not going to scare me. So let's get on with it. And then it would laugh and, you know, playfully. So eventually what happened was that I was, you know, navigating all these murky waters and this eagle head kept coming and looking at me right in the face and going, you're an eagle. And I would say, whatever, get out of my face and trying to find some interesting shit. So then I found this tube with this opening to this tube and I started moving down it. And to explain to anyone listening, like that space is, is it's similar to other psychedelics in some way, but also it's very different and that you're experiencing this astral dream world in your mind, but it's also overlapped with your human reality and that if you open your eyes, you're, of course, very conscious where you are and what you're doing.

But these two frequencies of consciousness are blended together. So you can rationally understand where you are, or at least I could, but also experiences other layer of conscious thought simultaneously. And sometimes those things will blend into each other more explicitly. So I was going down this tube, going down this tube because I could tell there was some answer down there. The eagle kept appearing to me and looking at me and saying you're an eagle, I kept saying it on my face. And then I realized at one point that I was like, oh, wait, I am an eagle. I turned into this eagle character, my body morphed into this eagle character.

And I grew felt like a girl, these feathers and these giant wings. And then a huge collection of people around me that I love grew out of me as the wings. And now I started beating those and flying down this tube further and further and I literally spent like an hour trying to get down this tube, I think. I don't know how long it was because there was a lot of resistance. There was things that would come and the spirit would be laughing. And I would say, that's funny. I don't care how much you want to give me resistance. I don't give a fuck what's going to happen. I have all night. I'm getting down this tube and that's all there is to it.

And so I keep going, keep going. Using those wings that were grown out of the people that were important to me in my life as the power to move down that tube. There was a moment where in turning into that eagle thing, I was saying, no, I'm not an eagle. I'm this thing. And it was like, I was visualizing this beautiful, lush, kind of winged creature that looked kind of Hollywood-esque, you know. And at one point I realized, oh, that's spiritual materialism. That's me desiring to be something beautiful and unique whenever really I'm just this thing. This is what I am. And I will accept the eagle character.

So I went down that tube and then eventually got to the end of it. And it was all infinity of space and time in every direction, flowed blackness, like the XYZ axis of everything extended in all directions. And I saw a river of neon mandalas in the sky, which went on for infinity. And that was the source, which the source of that was the source of the all. It was literally the coding of everything in the entire universe. That source informed me that human beings are all carriers of lines of this code, which are these neon river mandalas. And that when we're born, that one of those lines of code is put into that person's body.

They go through life and when they die, slash drop their body, that code goes back to the source and then is re dispatched to another human container. And basically that most people are like drivers unaware that they have a passenger with this code going through life. And so, and I said, well, what's the point of this? And I said, well, we're perfecting the mathematic cosmic infinity by sending out these pieces of code and having them do their thing and being reapplied to the stream of infinity. It's basically the perfection of the structure of the all is what's happening. And then a lot of other stuff has said that I was outsourced by the source, which made me laugh.

It's like you, basically, you're going to work for us and try and your goal is to spread this, not necessarily the information of that stuff explicitly, but the sentiment of that. And then there, I was pretty tapped out by this, you know, and during that time I was going, what the fuck, yeah, right, right, my brain is sizzling at all this information. I'm being told the I'm looking at the source of the universal ego character. And then what happened after that was that my third eye exploded and an eagle head came out of my third eye. So now I'm this eagle character with an eagle headache coming out of my third eye.

I got blasted with this huge blast of energy and white or, you know, more blue light through that chest hole exploded. My vision, my literal vision and my cosmic vision increased times 100. I was so struck with those bolt of lightning that I was like, and my vision and love all exploded. I was going, ah, and internally, yeah, this voice from over the edge of the cosmos goes now, you know what fierce love feels like. And so I had the vision and the love. And then I was feeling pretty tapped out, but this voice goes, do you want to know more? And I was like, I don't know. I don't know if I can even remember all this shit, you know, I'm trying to, trying to remember.

And then I thought, well, I'm here, fuck it, you know, and also like, I'm going to remember what's important and let's go for it. Let's drill down a little further. So then this giant like elevator looking thing opens and there was sort of a screen saver looking effect in there and that slam shot and it opens again. And so then cut to more interesting things. This other tube starts coming over to me and everyone is kind of looking like they're covered in a candy shell. I'm looking around it, but this one person looks like they're covered in this mountain of Vaseline, like some bad Matthew Barney installation.

And this tube of Vaseline is kind of coming over and taunting me, asking me to go in there. So I'm like, all right. So I fly in there, Mr. Eagleman flies in there. And I'm going through these conduits, which are geometrically shaped white pathways and trying sort of like a, if a geodesic dome, also the interior was connected by those same triangular shapes, which the exterior is, but you're inside of these moving around. And I realized that I was what I was perceiving as being in this person's consciousness, moving through the conduits of their consciousness, seeing their thoughts, some of their past experience, their history as like Polaroid pictures being thrown down over and over on a table.

And eventually I, you know, it got to this point in their mind where I saw some trauma in a bunch of black crusty stuff surrounding that. I attacked it with some eagle claws and threw the black crusty stuff out of the tube, saw some red pulp where that black crusty stuff had been removed, and then decided that I would be overstepping my boundary of good taste if I hung around anymore. So I left that, that space and a bunch of other shit. And you know, that happened. I mean, the third night I was hit with the, the boulder of love again and my torso this time exploded, crust of it, and I became nothing but a ball of blue light.

And then I was visited by a bunch of gods who looked like thundercats creatures, who told me a bunch of other secrets of the cosmos. And yeah, you know, a lot of other things, but that's, that's the gist of it. That's just the gist of it. I got it. Got it all condensed down into that. So I mean, awesome, easily, like you prefaced it, one of the best stories I've ever heard, if not the best. And I think also it's a testament that you're able to recap it in such a detailed way, which I think is another kind of validation of your ability that your concept of focusing, what you did with the candle, I think is so incredibly important because it's something that I feel like is, is left out a lot of, I'll just kind of tie this together in my own life.

I was always convinced, you know, a lot of people play the money game, right? The first thing is the money game. You have enough need to have enough money to live the life you want to live. That's pretty much what we're all in Western society taught and kind of how structure works. Then you realize, well, money isn't really it. It's time. You know, I want the time to be able to spend the things I want to spend time on. I need more of that. So I'm trying to get more and you and I probably have a pretty good understanding of the time. Maybe it's a little more leucery than we'd like to think of it, but the third, the thing that was my new kind of realization a few months ago, because I had successfully created a fair amount of time and space in my life was honing that level of focus.

Like I, every day I wake up and there are probably 20 to 30 things that I creatively want to get done, right? And I truthfully probably only have enough time for maybe two or three really doing them. So being able to hone in with that level of focus not only provides you an ability to make progress in a lot of aspects of your life, but it also allows you to pay attention to what's happening as it's happening and then be able to, you know, what you just did retell the experience that can be incredibly powerful for people, which is I'm sure why you have these experiences when you leave the meditation classes where people are so abundantly, you know, impacted by it.

So my question to you is this is after having this, essentially this very validating and mystical and incredible experience, you know, coming in contact with the source of the universe, experiencing unconditional universal love, what, what do you do after that? Like what, I mean, I know there's probably the reverberations and the aftershocks of an experience like that, like any intense psycho, you know, any psychological or mental or spiritual experience, those ramifications are felt not just that day, and then it's done. So what did you take away from those experiences? Well, you know, the unfolding of that really lasted several years, the reverberation, you know, it's been a couple of years now since those experiences and it really unfolded and continue to unfold and unfold and unfold and you know, the, the initial oddly, the initial reaction towards that I think was it pulled a lot of, it made a lot of things in my subconscious I had to deal with after that because there's, it's really hard to explain without actually experiencing it, but basically there are all of these things that we are doing, that we are resisting, that we're denying, not acknowledging about ourselves, that ride right under the threshold of our radar, yeah, and it's odd in that we can feel them and we're aware of them in this very, very subconscious way, but we can't really grab a hold of them or acknowledge them.

And for me, after that experience, all of those things came above the threshold of my perception. Totally. So I had to deal with a lot of these things I was denying, a lot of these things about myself, a lot of these things about just how I interacted with the world and so on. And you know, truthfully, with that experience and with dealing with some of those things came a lot of ego and it's weird and I've never been, I've never been an ego centric person, I've never been a really, you know, I mean, whenever I was younger, I was narcissistic in an intellectual way through as a defense mechanism.

But I've never been a kind of, I'm a badass, whatever, whatever, whatever. But there was this weird flash of that, it's almost like in writing a bicycle, if you start to lean one way too far, you have to jerk the handlebars the other way so you don't fall. But if you jerked them that hard while you're riding straight, you would crash. So there's this over-correction that I feel like happened to me where there was six months of a lot of challenges after that dealing with my identity, how I was treating and relating to other people in my life system and so forth, and a lot of things about myself I was starting to deal with.

After that, it really continued to be an unfolding and understanding of the truth, of my own truth and in the sense of being real with myself. And I've always been one to not get caught up or be not interested in the parts of mindfulness and quote-unquote spirituality that are the illusion parts. I'm always kind of described like I'm very, I'm 50% scientific materialist and 50% astral explorer and I do not believe or disbelieve anything. Everything is simply a subjective perception through my nervous system. An instrument reading of the objective universe exists outside of my skin, taking in information for me to contemplate and to put in my storage bank essentially.

However, I always, no matter how transcendent or how physical and materialistic this experience is, I take it as I said, simply information. It's because I truly view life as a transient hallucination and even the things that are transcendent that we go, no, I felt that, I really felt that thing. All of those ayahuasca experiences I was talking about is I felt so real and the person whose mind I went into, I talked to them the next day and they said, oh my God, how did you know all these things about me? For most people, I guess that would probably be some sort of confirmation. But to me, I thought, well, this is a, you know, I had this experience which seemed like this thing, however, I understand that there is a whole host of ways that it could also be a mechanism by my mind that's created a formula which has made me assimilate this as a form of truth and reality.

So I take it for what it is, but I'm like that just with walking out of a, you know, of a building out, I'm like, okay, it seems like I just walked out of a building. I don't know. It seems like I just ate a sandwich. You know, that's what I'm taking is information, but I'm not believing or disbelieving anything because I know that my, my very own abstraction of consciousness is simply just this reading that I'm taking from an objective universe, which I can never get to. And I think that if you ever believe that you are observing or interacting with an objective truth outside of your human mainframe in paradigm, then that is one of the slippery indulgences of the ego.

And that's just a whole of mirrors that you can get to on the spiritual path, the quote about spiritual path. Well, and I think that's, that's fundamental too. If you really dig deep on a lot of these, you know, great thinkers, philosophies, religions, whatever you want to call them, contemplative sciences, I mean, a fundamental aspect that comes up with all of them is that we're not these solid state things were conditioned responses of an ever flowing kind of continuum. And then, you know, the Buddhists will even then say, well, really, what it is, this is actually just emptiness, which is a nothingness.

It doesn't mean there's nothing. It just means emptiness is the background amongst which infinite things can occur. But it doesn't mean like, Hey, I'm here. I started here with the beginning of the universe and I'm going to continue as this forever. So I think that's wise. And I think, again, it's more validation. And I mean, that's one of the things in my life, at least, that I always find reassuring and comforting, not in the sense that I exist as a person, but the things that I, this person, this egoic and the layers underneath and above it, have experienced is have been experienced by a lot of other people.

And a lot of people have taken the time like you to understand across many different lives and generations, regardless of people's beliefs about reincarnation, taking the time to understand what the hell is going on here and what is at the inherent, I liken it to like the study of like modern physics. And I love that you consider yourself a materialist. I wish I could consider myself a materialist. I eventually just get too woo woo and not dual about things and just lose that aspect of it. But I do find it incredibly inspiring that modern physics and especially quantum physics, the more they dig down to try to find the building blocks of reality, they just start encountering this stuff called like quantum foam.

It's fuzz. There's no, it doesn't even look like anything. It's like white noise that they can't actually figure out where things are going. And they realize if they look at it, it affects it a certain way. So it sounds like you're not getting falling into the trap of grasping onto this ego, extensive eye and letting it kind of like the famous thing. The ego is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. And I agree with that too. The ego is a wonderful tool when a lion is chasing you down to say, Hey, get away from this lion. And oh, by the way, when I'm running, which is just my instinct, here's a place for me to go hide that the lion can't get me to. That's the ego doing a great fucking job when the ego is like, I'm this person. And this is what I need to be happy. And this is what I need to lead a meaningful life. Then it's out of whack and all this other stuff happens.

So it seems like you intuitively kind of are a latch onto that concept, which I don't find surprising given the work you've put into this. So could you, could you tell me what your, your daily practices or what your regular practices are that could include meditation, other things? I know you do this binaural beat stuff, which I want to talk about too. But so what, what is it like a regular day or a practice look like for you? Yeah, well, first I'd like to, you know, a fun way to look at what you were just describing as a is like, you can blend those two things that the spiritual quote unquote, whatever aspect and the scientific aspect and find some interesting crossovers. And I like to kind of translate those things into a singular thought in the sense of we are infinity. We are this oneness. We are this continuous shockwave and vibration of consciousness that's flowing and ever cycling and so forth. And if you look at the quantum mechanics aspect of it, you look at, well, we're all these, these cells and our bodies and what we identify as, us as Noah is this collection of cells. But if you look at it on a, you know, atomic level, you can go, well, where does, as all of these, these atoms are buzzing around your finger, like an, an angry beehive and the, the atoms that you identify as unis or buzzing around, as that cross fades into the world outside of your skin universe. At what point do you define unis stopping or start? Right. Right. So it's like, we are, and it doesn't. It's like we are, it's a bunch of angry beehives all buzzing around. But through the, you know, the perception in the instrument of the human mind, we see division and the density of those things, you know, helps us see division. So truly we all, everything is one in a literal sense is that it is just this tapestry of atomic existence, which the human mind has drawn in perceived boundaries around based on the symptoms of our, the structure of our own consciousness. I mean, it's, it's also in the same way that like we draw artificial boundaries around countries and say, well, this is a different place now. I mean, it's, it's harder to think about ourselves is like, Hey, no, I'm talking into a microphone. There's a table near me.

It's harder to be like, well, no, we're all the same thing. But I mean, it's, it's exactly what you're saying it's true. All these things are flowing together. And especially, we don't know it's true, just like an intuitive psycho spiritual way. Like, like you're saying, quantum mechanics is proving this, right? This is, this is not like some weird crazy, I smoked too much weed theory. This is like, this is what the forefront of physics is teaching us. I find it fascinating. And even with that, you know, the same way that I could experience something transcendent in a, you know, quote, unquote spiritual way. I also keep my mind on, on science equally is non dogmatic, right? Look, well, here's the forefront of quantum mechanics right now. However, that's only where it is right now. So I don't believe that is science fact as much as I look at it as that's the information that we have right now. And everything is elastic. And as you said, are we are organic, the universe is organic. And so are our minds, like in the same way that a tree is always growing continuously, if you put a time lapse on a plant, you can watch it continuously growing and blossoming.

The same way that the planets are always moving, the oceans are moving in an hour's. So are our minds. And so it's always dilating and contracting and so forth. And our perception and our cyclical feedback with the universe in which we think we live is always elastically changing and moving, you know, so the question is this, like, how in this openness and this infinite possibilities, how do you combine that with your focus to find what you view as your mission or what collectively we could be doing as a species or people to kind of make everyone's lives? Let's just say, very nebulous term better.

You know, I think that I get asked that question a lot. And I think that that is such a complex and nuanced and subtle answer, you know, that it would take an encyclopedia worth of information to try and give a good answer. But I think the short answer is, what can you do right now to influence that? You know, the people, the change you want to see, the classic thing, you know, to change, you want to see be that change. If you want to be more, if you want to see more harmony, if you want to see more peace, if you want to see more compassion in the world, then that's how you treat yourself, which is very important. And you treat others.

You afford yourself the same love that you want to see in the world, because then you can more deeply accept and embody that very thing that you'd like to be and do it in an honest way, into an earnest and sincere way, instead of a way which can serve the ego or can create some type of shelter or a slippery defense system for yourself against the world. Because that thing is so ever pervasive. And the, as you said, new age community that it really that that's what I, one of my main goals since my, you know, experiences in the jungle has been to eviscerate the bullshit from the spiritual community.

It's, it's so, I mean, it's one of those things that I feel like is, is a difficult thing to tackle, especially when you, you realize all the layers of complexity and spiritual materialism that are really hard to see. They're hard to see in looking from the outside in, but especially in people looking from the, you know, inside out, like trying to identify spiritually material, like just to be clear, like, and I do not want to say, it's like I'm on some high horse or holier than now, I can be as spiritual materialistic as anyone. Like I catch myself all the time doing it and I actively try to guard against it because I'm hyper aware of how that can actually influence a lot of different things. Most importantly, to me, especially when you're talking about kind of codified spiritual spirituality, which some people still very like, there is something we said, I, I am of the persuasion that I like the cornucopia and learning different things from a lot of and the comparative aspects between different schools of thought and philosophies and, you know, outlooks. I love being able to analyze those, but I also being able to, I love being able to go study someone like Minger Rinpoche, you know, Tibetan master who is just fucking amazing and they've translated this codified Tibetan system down through hundreds and thousands of years. That to me is also valuable, but they inherent risks with that is you can get so caught up in all the, not just the rituals of what's going on, but the ways of thinking even lineage, like I always wonder this with lineage. I'm a big believer in lineage for the most part. I think that there's a lot of validity that can come down through orally and systematically teaching or even having a reincarnation system that, you know, has some fail-safes attached to it. I think that's really valid. But I mean, talk about guru problems. I mean, you can one bad egg in any of those systems, one bad thing could totally turn someone off from an entire subset of thought that's incredibly valid. I mean, this is the pitfall of spiritual teachers in a lot of ways. So I love that that's one of your goals to do. I always wonder how lightly to tread along those things and then how, you know, because like I never ever in a million years and I've said this so many times on this podcast, I'm not a spiritual teacher. I don't think I will ever be a spiritual teacher. I don't think if someone is looking at me as a spiritual teacher, you're looking at someone who's qualified or able to do that. I think there are plenty of things I speak about and communicate and feel that are totally valid and could potentially help people like everyone else in life who is communicating something they think is important. But once you assume that kind of role, I think you do have to do what you're doing. You have to be really on guard for just kind of obliterating the bullshit that comes along with it. And that starts with being fundamentally honest and focused, which it seems like you have in spades, man. So that's good. Like how are you trying to cut? How do you deal with a problem like that as complex as spiritual materialism and spiritual bullshit? And I just did an episode just to give you a reference point.

One of my last podcasts, it won't be the last one when this comes out, but Tony Barnhart and she is someone who's been chronically ill for 15 years. And one of the things we were discussing is the tyranny of positive thinking, right? And we were identifying it as something that was so overly saccharin on social media like the memes. Like you can do it. Come on that are clearly just put out there. It's masturbation. Yeah, just like, oh, it's there's no anything behind it. And I'm someone who puts up quotes all of the time, but I like to find the quotes that I think cut to some layer of something there, not just like you're doing great. And she was saying, listen, if you're someone who's really going through a hard time, physically, emotionally, mentally, and you see that shit, I mean, that does not help you get on the path to self love or feeling love for other people. It's like a, it's like a something that just like a magnet that repels you the wrong way.

Yeah, it's just gratifying the person that's posting it. Right. Right. Which is an ego-based fulfillment thing. So how do you, so what do you use as your tools? I know I have mine, like how do you use that power of discernment without it falling into judgment of various things you see going on in the new age, spiritual, whatever community that's evolving with this self-consciousness based stuff. How do you approach those things just with absolute honesty? And the most important thing when doing that is where those questions and where that approach is coming from, because I'm not, I'm not asking or inquiring about someone's spiritual bullshit in a sense of judging them or in a sense of trying to coddle them. It's right in the middle so that I can figure out and understand where they're coming from and how they might be thinking and expressing the thing which they have decided to believe in, you know.

But honesty is really key. And I think that if you can be honest, but from a, people need to feel the law that there's no judgment or anything like that, you know, really need to feel that. And that's, that's how I approach it is just white, hot honesty and in straightforwardness. I don't beat around the bush or fuck around, but I also try and make sure not to be rude about it, but I have a layer of compassion. Very direct. Yeah. I think that's important. I mean, it's something that I'm very interested in exploring as time goes on because I mean, you know this as well as I do. And there are a lot of great, authentic, amazing teachers out there, but there are also anyone, any day, can decide that I read enough books or I know what the secrets of the universe are and go Google anything, spiritual teacher, and you'll see plenty of them. Anyone can decide that. And that's inherently, it's a very interesting space, interesting and sometimes negative because people who maybe had an experience, like let's say someone had an experience like your Eagle, ayahuasca experience, but it wasn't brought on by psychedelics or it wasn't brought on by meditation. It just happened to them and that should happen. It's like, I know it does. And what do they do? They're trying to look for validation. If you get tuned in to snake oil salesman or someone who's doing this from a purely ego based thing and maybe not maliciously, maybe they're just playing out their own thing, their own mythic fall and rise. Who knows what's going on? But then it can really start to that. That's when I think you get this, what I notice in the scientific materialism community, and this is a blanket statement that I no way mean to apply to someone who has interest in those persuasions. I'm very interested in them too, but people can get really caught up and just negative about anything religious, anything spiritual, anything that doesn't meet conceptual or can agree upon definitions of what spiritual out or what science is. They can get vehemently atheistic as I put it. I just, that isn't helping anything. If you're premise, which I agree with, that we're all one thing, making those divisions and polarizing and us first them or this, that thing, just nothing ever good happens from that in my. Well, that that form is I think you're right. And my belief is that someone who is a militant atheist has needs to, it's sort of a self elevating form of protection in the sense that when you stare at the face of a Bolivian, the emptiness, the infinite question of all of our being in our existence, you in someone who is that not only atheist needs to put something there so that they feel elevated above that thing so that they can say they know what it is, they know how to describe it, etc, etc.

So that therefore, intellectually, they don't feel the fear of that a Bolivian because they feel that they've put something on top of it. Well, in a way, and Joseph Campbell would probably say this in a way, their God is no God. That's, that's what it is. Oh, man, this is dude, I just want to find out more about you and more about where you're coming from. Tell me, tell me a little bit about this meditation course that you just came up with. I signed up for it. It looks really interesting. And I'm looking forward to having it. Can you just tell me how that came about? I'm saying this because I want, I have a couple more questions that I want to cut it off and I want to do this again. So, but I definitely want to hear about this course because sure. Yeah, I'd love to talk about it. Yeah. Basically, it came around and that I had had a lot of people hit me up with offers, you know, people saying, oh, maybe you want to write a book, maybe you want to do a course or something like that. And I was trying to figure out exactly what it was. And again, I was talking to my friend Aubrey about, about that. And he was making a course right now for really actually had written a book and decided to turn it into an online course. And so, you know, he's a friend and he said, well, why don't you do, would you be interested in doing the course? And I could kind of put it out through my channels and then we could promote our courses together and so forth. And I thought, yeah, sure, I'd rather do that. Sounds good.

So started building this thing. And it's a six week course. And it deals with basically each week will have a different topic. And it goes through sort of a start to finish from basic sitting postures to cultivating the witness mind to releasing negative, you know, emotions, negative things are holding on to, to a hard opening, third eye opening, mantras, chanting, and then even getting into the astral realm. So each week, basically what you'll get is a, you know, a lecture that is actually narrated by me because, you know, writing is fine. But as you noted at the beginning of this, people seem to like the voice. And I enjoy talking about these things. That's when my talent lies. So I created the content and narrated it all. And so online, you'll get this, it's like an audio book, essentially. So you can have each chapter is clickable. So you can listen to this thing.

And then you'll get a 30 minute guided meditation with the binder will be underneath it relating to that week's material. And then a couple of other interesting little surprises that you'll get. So, yeah, six weeks of that. And I really, you know, I, I'm from the outset, I just outlined a lot of what I thought was important. I wanted to boil it down to this most fundamental way. And I really removed the spirituality quote slash mysticism from it. Everything, the way that I describe everything, I tried my best to make it as you know, flexible and as straightforward as possible without shrouding it in any bullshit or any mystery or trying to make it seem harder than it is. Right, practical, trying to make it very yeah, very just very straightforwardly related my some of my experiences and things I discovered of the years into the system. And it's basically, you know, I experienced in research, I'm sure much like yourself over the last decade, plus all these different schools of thought, all these different lineages, all these different forms of meditation. But I don't like systems, you know, like I don't, it's like you were talking about earlier with guru problems, like anyone I don't like gurus, I don't like spiritual teachers. I don't like any of that shit because, you know, there's there's always this a a MO coming across and the irony, maybe it's maybe it's like refusing to believe and belief is a belief in itself. But like, you know, I don't my system, I guess is a sister, you know, my boat, my bullshit is trying to kill the bullshit and all this stuff. Yes, yes, yes. And so, you know, I really try and take this the walls out of those different systems, take the content which I find relative and important, and then apply that in my own personal discoveries and approach those things throughout this course. But I try to make it really simple, you know, in one of the things over my life that I've always really respected and found powerful was people who can describe complex things in eloquent and laconic ways that are layered so that whenever you read one sentence by Tynot Hahn and five years later, you go back and you read it and you say, oh, that's what it means. And then five years later, you go back and read it again.

And you go, oh, that's what it really is doing that forever. Because inherently, the place where he is writing that thing from is a place of knowing which can fold in that amount of layers into that simple sentence. That's really what I tried to do with all this information. And as I was creating it, I felt the really how important and personal it felt to me. You know, I realized I was kind of revealing and in offering, which I hate that word because I hate that word because it sounds so fucking like faux humble. Well, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know what it is, it's evolved out of not calling something like a product product or something. So people try to find a word that's softer, which is offering. But yeah, I don't know, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Like, here's this offering. No, I totally get it. I totally get it. It's faux humbleness and faux capitalism, which I'm fine. I'm selling this course. And there's nothing wrong with that. You know, it's like, this is shit I've learned. And there's a price on it. And there it is, you know. So anyway, yeah, I really realized that it was very felt very personal and very important to me. And so I had a really good time putting it together. Although I've been up to my third eyeball in it over the last three, four weeks, working every single day, all the on this, launching something like this, especially if there's any real thought and strategy behind it is not a small thing to do, especially when it's your thing, right? Yeah, you're you're putting out an expression of yourself with the intent to help people in a way that makes sense. And that's not something I wish there was a button. Trust me. Oh, man. You're part of the the fortunate thing is that I've, you know, I've made like 15 records over the years of my music and and been involved with God knows how many projects and you know, I always I know this these days that the last 10% of any huge project is harder than the first 90%. And that there's this point of saturation and where you feel beat down. And that's the point where that's like what a real champion your champion heart really has to come out and you have to use that to nasty that drive to just finish through, you know, just pull through finish that thing and make it happen. And and that's what happened in this project. You know, it was it was a huge undertaking. And I was able to get it done. And man, the last week I've been fatigued but just still hammering away. And it's finally done. It feels good to say it's done. And anyone that wants to sign up for that you go to release into now.com. And you can sign up and then they will in when the course launches, I guess probably in a month or so, they will send you a link on how to sign up for that. Cool. And I'm going to have a link to it on this podcast page. Corey, I have so many other things I want to talk about specifically music.

You just touched on something that's incredibly, incredibly close to my heart, which is finishing creative projects, developing a mindset that supports that. But before we go, I wanted to ask you and you've given so many of them, but if you could touch on one practical tip that you think theoretically anyone could use that has helped you in your life, that's purposely vague. But if you could share one tip that really has helped you, that would be awesome. Your reality is an illusion. And what do we do with the illusion then? I'm just querying you for my own personal interest. What do we do knowing that? What's the next step after realizing or taking that as a verifiable fact? You realize that everything in life, everything you can possibly perceive and ever will perceive is simply a, it's an image.

It's an abstraction. It's a dream of actually what's happening. So all of your assumptions, all of your hard truth that you know, this is what that person said, you know, this is what happened here. You know this and that. That's all completely false. And once you start to understand that and you see reality and your own perception in a multi-dimensional and multi-perceptional type of way, the thing that happens is that you're able to look at the world with so much more compassion, so much more patience, so much more peace and such a broader perspective because you realize that no, I am not perceiving truth. I am perceiving a perception, so perhaps, you know, the thing that I think is happening is not happening.

You know, maybe there's another aspect of this thing, whether it's yourself or an experience and that knowing that removes a lot of anger, a lot of arguing, a lot of frustration with others and with yourself and you go, look, we are all just, you know, these dangling pink monkeys floating in the middle of space and we don't, we can't get to it. We're all just dealing with this dream, you know, and so everyone, you know, you can ease up a little bit and just fucking take it easy, take a step back, realize that your consciousness is simply a perception and that everything is a variable of not, not truth or false, but potentialities and ratios based on that potentiality. That's right. Don't buy into the relatively real reality. Man, I love it. This is awesome. Thank you so much for coming on. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.

In music, though, one doesn't make the end of a composition. The point of the competition is that if that was so, the best conductors would be those who played fastest. And there would be composers who wrote only for knowledge. People would go to concert just to get a one cracking chord because that's the end. Say, "We're dancing." You don't aim at a particular spot in the room. That's where you should arrive. The whole point of the dancing is there. Now, but we don't see that as something brought by R&A patient into our everyday content. We've got a system of schooling that gives it a quick look. It's all grating. And what we do is we put the child into the corridor of this great system where they kind of come in. And we go to kindergarten. That's the great thing we call it. When you finish that, you get into the first grade. And then come on, the first grade leads to the second grade and so on. And then you get out of grade school, go to high school. And it's revving up and thing is coming. Then you're going to go to college. If I joke, then you get into graduate school. And when you're through with graduate school, you go out and join the world. And then you get into some bracket where you're selling insurance. And they've got that quote at it. And you're going to make that. And all the time, the thing is coming. It's coming.

It's coming. That great thing. The success you're working on. Then when you wake up one day around 40 years old, you say, "My God, I've arrived. I've arrived. I'm there!" And you don't feel very different than what you always felt. And there's a slight letdown because you feel there's a hoax. And there was a hoax. A dreadful hoax. They made you miss everything by expectation. Look at the people who live to retire and put those savings. But those savings. Then when they're 65, they don't have any energy left. They're more less hypnotism. And they go with drama and other people. Senior citizens can make it.

Because we simply cheated ourselves the whole way down the line. We thought of life by analogy with a journey. With a pilgrimage. Which had a serious purpose at the end. The thing was to get to that end. Success or whatever it is or maybe ever after your death. But we missed the point the whole way along. It was a musical thing. It was supposed to sing or dance while the music was being played. Good. It was a very good. It was. That little ditty at the end there is something I made a while ago. It's featuring the wonderful Alan Watts. Speaking of Alan Watts, I am in the process of beta launching the new Alan Watts Shopify online store. We can get a lot of cool talks.

Some of them never heard before. Well, they've been heard. But not by the general public. So if you're interested in that, send me an email at NOAA@syncpodcast.com. I might have some beta testing opportunities. So basically you could get a discount, a deep discount on purchases there for the downloads. Because I want you to test the experience out and tell me how it feels to you. So if you're interested in doing that, shoot me an email. NOAA@syncpodcast.com. Thanks for listening. I'm sure you heard. Corey is now officially a part of MindPod Network. We're in the process of getting his back catalog onto the site. That should be done next week. So if you're listening to this and it's past July 27th or so, it's probably been done. He's up there. It's called the Astral Hustle. So that's it. Rate and review synchronicity on iTunes, Stitcher, wherever else you would do that type of thing. Seriously, do it. It really helps. Make a donation if you're so inclined.

Contribute to the synchronicity. Just generosity experiment. There's so much stuff for you to do. Oh, how about this? Almost forgot. The book winners for last week. They got a copy of, or this week, I should say, Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut. The other book was The Man with the Hero with the Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell. And this week's book giveaway, listen, you had to listen to the very end, Secret People. Although if you are on the synchronicity community email list, you can go to the website to join that. You're entered forever, so you don't even have to be listening to find out what the book is, to be eligible to get it. The book is this week is, let's go with, "How about the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying?" by Sogail Rinpoche.

One of my favorite books, so fucking awesome. Uh, yeah, that's it. I will see you next week.