Intuition with Cory Allen

(upbeat music) This is synchronicity, this is synchronicity, this is synchronicity, this is synchronicity, this is synchronicity, this is synchronicity, this is synchronicity. (upbeat music) Welcome to synchronicity, my guest this week features the return of Corey Allen, you know Corey, runs a podcast called The Astral Hustle, meditation teacher, audio engineer, does the binaural beats thing, this is the cool dude. Also on the MindPid Network, right, I knew that, Corey and I talk about a whole lot of cool stuff, I'm gonna basically let the episode speak for itself, some of the stuff we talk about, spiritual materialism, trying to maintain and even keel while going into the world of teaching, mindfulness, and meditation, and really a lot about authenticity, and how to kind of walk this path to help yourself and other people. And I think Cory does a really good job of that and he kind of maintains this.

And we talk a lot about intuition. There's a lot of intuition talking this. And I think, I've spoken about it before, but I think that's something that's overlooked so much in today's society and culture as we put a very high premium on logic and analysis and all of these things that we can verify empirically, but we often overlook intuitive faculties, which can be very, very, very helpful and useful. So we get into that. And more to the point, Cory's just a cool dude. Big, big fan of Cory. Love what he's doing and glad to see success coming in his ways in a myriad forms. His book is coming out September of this year on Penguin Random House. Really looking forward to that. He's a very clear, concise writer and I appreciate that. I am going to keep this episode intro as short as possible. I am not going to force myself to say anything that I didn't have planned to say just because I feel like I got a yammer on in the beginning. So how about we just get right to the episode super short intro. Without further ado, here is Cory Allen.

Thanks for coming on. Hey, man. It's my pleasure. It's been a while. Yeah, it really has. And what's funny is I was just listening to the episode of your podcast, the astral hustle you did with Michael Philip from Third Eye Drops. And you put it in such a eloquent way how you described your kind of recent text messages and contacts lists as like a solar system and the farther down the list you moved, the farther orbit it's been since you contact us. And I'm like, that's like, that's such an apt description of what it feels like. And of course, like one of the weird things about the time we live in now is like we can kind of maintain deep connections with people even if we're not speaking to them all of the time. But it's just like a weird thing that's emerged. It used to not be like that. Like if you didn't have someone's number and you didn't call them like camp friends, we used to call you meet a camp, you didn't stay in touch. You don't know where those people are.

They're gone forever. But now you can kind of resume the connection at any point. That's really fucking cool. But this has a point, this meandering intro has a point. Dude, I was incredibly impressed and engaged with this conversation you were having with Michael just to jump into it about kind of the balance between the open mindedness and the not knowingness of kind of an inward path towards betterment, right? Some people would call enlightenment or wisdom and kind of setting up a hierarchy or boundaries for, you know, trying to have some type of accountability for what you're engaging with, you know, in your life. And I was like, this is something that's being reflected back so much in just kind of my immediate group and our friends who do podcasts or whatever it is, consciousness stuff. And like how for you personally, because I didn't hear this, I didn't get to the point in the podcast where you just have to like, how do you personally maintain that balance?

Because you do it well. Thank you. Could you could you just rephrase the balance that I don't recall the conversation? Yeah, no mind because I jumped right in right from the conversation. So it was basically talking about how some you want to go in and explore kind of new age ideas just to engage with them and see if there's anything you can sink your teeth into. But you also have to have some discernment in terms of what is just pure snake oils or someone's subjective interpretation of an experience they had or something they read in a book. And what's valid in terms of an actual pursuit in terms of like, all right, this is worth believing. This is something I'm going to pursue.

So that that was the context of gotcha. Yeah, I think that to me, anyway, like I I always look at things like I'm very open minded as far as like thought experiments, what I allow myself to kind of drift off and in contemplate is a potentiality. But I'm very very hesitant to actually incorporate something as being functional or something like a part of my you know, quote unquote belief system, I guess, and so I think that I suppose that I don't really end up. And most of those things I just kind of almost dream about in this way of like where I'm just kind of hypothetizing a lot. I don't know, it's all sort of just like fun and kind of like entertainment almost. It's like, and it's just a it's also sort of a litmus test for where my, you know, truth mind is that at that point. But I will say that the things that come to consciousness like during the exploration of any kind of eccentric or kind of outside of the box type of idea, something that it snaps into me it's all in feeling, you know, so if I am exploring some philosophy or some ideas and like that, and even though it may seem kind of steep within eccentricities or something something unclear or something perhaps a bit more fantastical, whenever I feel something, it's almost like all this whole math equation, everything goes like, and it all lines up and it's like a intuitive thing where I'm like, boom, that is that like plugs into me because it I'm not trying to even make it fit it just fit. And so I listened to that and I'm like, all right, well, there there is like some notes for my experience. And now I don't really, you know, I have, of course, like a core set of beliefs like any human being does. But as far as theoretical ideas or philosophical ideas, I'll say I don't I'm not like converted to that school of thought, I'll just take that as a note and say, okay, I'm like, that seems like it has some tangible deployable usable substance to it. And I'm going to kind of put it in my toolbox for a minute and see what's next. I mean, you leave it to you to key on, I think probably the most, the richest nugget you revealed is dropping into your intuitive faculties via feeling to see if something meshes with you and the way you described it is kind of lining up in a loop. I know exactly we were talking about and everyone does because when you're able to drop into that, it's just like you don't have to ask questions about it, right? You move, you skip the whole hemming and hauling over is valid. And I think it's funny. I'm just so glad you mentioned it because it's something that I think doesn't get enough shine in love. Sometimes when we talk about this stuff, because it's so easy to say, oh, yeah, use your intuition and someone could be like, well, I don't know what that means. But nevertheless, it is still such a valid indicator of like when to kind of like, oh, you know what, this is really fucking woo. This is really weird. But for me, this lines up and makes sense to me in this moment. And I'm not going to invalidate it because of its eccentricities. And I mean, have you always been like that? Have you always been? And because I think of you typically, when I listen to you speak, or I listen to your podcast, or we speak, obviously, incredibly intellectually, you know, just on it, clear, concise, you're writing also reflects that.

No small wonder you have a book coming out soon. But I also noticed this kind of empathetic, compassionate feeling aspect, which is like, has that always been a part of you? Or is that something that you opened up to at a certain point in your life? Like, is that just who you are? Yeah, to some degree, and also just like to say, thank you, man, I appreciate that. commentary on how I'm rolling through the universe right now. I will say not to go into too deep of a story, not that this is a podcast or anything, wouldn't want to tell an immersive story that would draw on the listener. Yeah, don't do that type of awareness.

But basically, like, I have always been, as far as I can remember, and as far as, you know, before I can remember what I've been told that I have always been kind and empathetic and caring about other people. Whenever I was a little kid, my mom used to always like, tell me this story about how like, she'd give me, shout out to the early 80s, she would give me like, you know, as a little toddler, like a handful of M&Ms or something. And she said that like, it would just make her cry because I'd come out out of sweetness, because as a little kid, I'd eat two, and I'd walk over and like, hold my hand out to everyone and be like, do you want some? And maybe all melted and disgusting, you know? And I was like, Oh, we're good. Thank you. But you know, yeah, so I've kind of always had that. And then, you know, I mean, it's like anybody, I've suffered through a lot of extreme experience and just fucked up stuff in my own life. And it made me, as a young man, a lot of death, a lot of just, you know, other nasty things. And it's really put me face to face with some of the challenging elements of the human condition from a early age. And so there's that. And also, I did have, you know, those things are that's one to grow on, you know, you go through that type of stuff, you spend the rest of your life, you know, growing on it. But I did have, I just recently, actually, in the last like six months tracked back to interesting experiences, which I think that you particular could enjoy, I was thinking of like, when were those moments, when were those earliest moments that I registered what you were just asking me, like this notion of empathy or this notion of some kind of type of like witness mind intellect or something like that. And when I was looking, I can't tell if I'm capitulating like that these are on the same vacation, if there are two different ones, I feel like it was on the same one, I need to ask my mom at some point. But so whenever I was probably like, I don't know, like five or six years old or something like that, my family went to vacation to like the Gulf of Texas, right? So we were like on the beach. And I was walking around the beach from myself and I came upon and keep in mind, of course, as I said, I'm a little kid, came upon two crabs and they were fighting. And I remember looking at them and one was clearly losing. And one of them was like, looked like it was trying to like, I eat the other one that was like attacking it and clipping out with its claw. And I remember seeing it. And I walked over and I was like, Oh, no, like that, that dude is hurt. This guy's gonna die. And I tried to kick some sand at the crab that was attacking the other one. But instead, the sand, some of it went to that, that crab, and he kind of backed off that some of the sand also went into the eye of the crab that was being hurt. And his little antenna eyeball went down.

And I just like started crying like immediately. And it fucked with me. It's still, I've talked about now. I feel like no, I'm trying to talk about now. Like, as a little kid, I remember going back and like sitting in the car, riding back to where we're staying. And it was just this cracking the egg moment of this acute awareness of pure intuition of not even human, but just suffering, like the whole process of living and dying, of pain, of the animalistic nature of our world, of the beauty of everything. Like, I was on a fucking beach for Christ sakes. You know, like, it was a perfect sunset. I got a beach watching the pain and like victory of the, of the, you know, the condition of all living things. And I remember feeling like the empathy and the fact that no matter, even though I had tried to help, like, I couldn't escape the law of nature. And I remember like feeling all of that as a little kid. And I literally thought about that scene in my mind for years, like it came back constantly. And it would make me start crying like every time because I felt just this unbelievable, overwhelming empathy for that living critter and all living things. Not to mention like the pure innocence of when you were, that's why it's so resonant.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what let it get in so deep. Yeah. And then on the, and this is the other piece of it. And this is some far out vacation, if this is all at the same time, I think it was. So then we were staying in this like big hotel. And you know, one of those, those like, you know, giant things where they just have a ton of people coming in out. There's like a bazillion rooms or whatever. Yeah. So I remember we were there and my brother was hanging out and so we were going to go out and go grab something. And he was like, I'll stay here. And I remember so all of us, my, my mom, her husband, and I were in the car. My brother was staying in the hotel and we're driving away from the hotel. And I remember as a little kid looking at the back window of the car, looking at the building of the hotel. And it was big, you know, 10 stories and, you know, 10 rooms by 10 rooms, whatever. And I remember thinking like, I could see it. I was like, wow, this is so strange that I'm here observing this moment out of my eyes. But within that building over there, my brother is sitting in bed, looking at his life through his eyes, like he's in this room alone, doing his thing. And I'm in this car right now doing my thing. And we're both existing in two parallel narratives of experience at the same time. And I had that thought very clearly, like at that age. And it really like, I was like, whoa, you know, so those are two early moments for each of those kind of halves of my brain waking up. It's just to both incredibly awesome experience. But the second one, in particular, I distinctly, as an early, I don't have like very many clear young childhood memories. But I remember being on probably what was my first bus ride to like kindergarten or something. I don't know when you start taking the bus like first grade early. And I remember getting off the bus and looking back and recognizing that, yes, I'm going home now to my home. But every single person, including the bus driver is going on their own kind of like individual existence. And I just, you know, I was like, probably like, what, six?

Yeah. Something like that. Just your mind. The innocence of that thought and the cascading kind of like impulses it leaves behind like are still resonant to this day. And I think like, it's interesting that these younger childhood memories, you know, while so like you and I like, I love knowing stuff. I love finding out about things and experiencing new things. But it's amazing that these early kind of very pure, almost primal, but like early, early existence memories still have such an influence on our psyches and lives, just that even we can work consciously aware of them. It makes you think how much of this stuff is just embedded within us that we can't consciously crash. You know what I mean? It's like it suggests the causality kind of almost in a deterministic way of our, the expression of who we become is so much, there's so much relevance to what we experience early on, you know, because like, one, one of those experience becomes a shockwave that reverberates and ripples out into another set of experiences, which therefore, we're brought into another set of experiences and so forth and so forth. And so I believe that those early imprints like that really do have a pretty big fundamental shaping on, on who we are and what we become, you know, obviously that's no groundbreaking, you're breaking news, but I'm just saying that, yeah, I mean, in the game of insight and self-actualization, it is easy to see how those things affect us.

And let me just drop this on you because I think you'll enjoy this. So this bus ride thing you're talking about and you're noticing everyone's going to their homes. I had, let's move fast forward to fast forward from whenever you were a child for me a few months ago. It's a weird, weird kind of parallel, but we're going to fast forward in over time and in incarnation in that way. So a couple months ago, I think it was, I was driving down the highway and I was looking at all the cars, you know, that were like traffic was getting heavy. And so I was looking at all these cars and there's like hundreds of thousands or whatever. Just kind of, if you look over the horizon, it's like, okay, there's like thousands of people in their cars. And I started thinking about that thing, you know, I think about that sometimes, just like what you were talking about. It's like, wow, everyone is like in their little ecosystem, like of their car, like they're all got their music on or their podcast or their phone call or whatever, or they're blaring silence that they're brooding in or whatever it is. Or maybe they're having a beautiful moment of silence, you know. And so they're all going to probably home or to meet someone for dinner or maybe some people who are headed to work for the night shift. And they're all coming from one place. And it's like the highway is taking a breath in of all of these cars. And it's all going to exhale and everyone's going to go off and call these different directions. Because I looked at them and I thought, wow, there's like thousands of narrative points of view in all these cars. And they're all so concerned about that they really all believe, all of them believe that they're the world inside their car and that their destination and their departure point is like crucial. And it is, you know. But then as I was looking at that, I started thinking, well, what if one of those cars was missing from the highway? Like, I wouldn't notice in neither would anyone else. But the power of if you asked an individual, hey, you know, what if you didn't exist, it would freak someone out because they can't think of, well, I fit into the system. Like I know all these people and I have my job and all this stuff. And there's this whole importance to me being. And that thought gave rise to an interesting kind of concept or how to flip over the idea of, you know, people think of the in the big picture, whenever they think about everything that exists. Like, Oh, well, this big picture, that's what is really important. I feel lost. I mean, right, right. So unseen. And it's, you know, we are flex of sand blowing across an infinite cosmic beach of terror and beauty. There's no doubt about that. But people feel diminished by that fact in the realization I had that was really, really cool in that moment was that in order for the macro picture to exist, in order for this huge idea that the kind of conceptual population, human species thing to exist, all of those finite elements have in the micro must exist for there to be a macro. Yeah, so for there to be a beach, there has to be one grain of sand than another than another than another than another else. There's no beach. And our human lives are the exact same way. People think that we're you can, it's easy to trick yourself into thinking that you're smaller and significant. But if you realize that each of us have to exist in our own independence in order to create the greater hole that we took ourselves in the feeling lost in.

Yes, yes, yes. I mean, you're dropping like modern day Ramakrishna parables through the context of the breath of traffic. But I mean, dude, it's so fucking true. Like that is exactly accurate. I also have seen that happen where there's kind of like a an ego deflation bordering into depression when people realize quote unquote how insignificant their lives are in the grand macro of what's going on. But as someone who has never really, truly felt like that when I hear that, it's kind of more of just like an awe and astonishment. It's hard for me to get in the first person perspective. But I certainly know the antidote is to recognize that without those individual grains of sand, you can't have that ocean, right? It's impossible. It's truly is. So this brings me to some some very interesting questions that I don't ask every guest but we're buds and we can ask this and we can speculate. And I know you're always going to give some interesting answers. But what this is, this is about as vague and haphazard of a question as one can ask, but what do you think Earth is? Like, what do you think we're doing here? Not only from a physical biological kind of imperative standpoint, but also, you know, a metaphysical esoteric like what some people think this is a hologram. Some people think that this is a dream. Some people think that this is just a biological function that has evolved to look back on itself. So like, and this is pure speculative stuff. So, you know, just recognize you will be held to a very strict standard. This is gospel, whatever she comes out of your mouth. But what do you think? What the fuck is going on? I have no idea. But I do know the buts. But I do know that's amazing. And I know that's beautiful. And I know that I feel grateful out of just the mathematics of everything and the being of all things across the entire universe. I feel grateful to be a little finger of what's upness flowing through this all and to get experienced. But I did kind of formulate this theory during conversation with Michael Phillips, speaking of about the birth of the universe. And I've told this a couple of times, but essentially, you know, I was thinking like, if people suggest that a God would be omnipotent, right? And so if you, if you were omnipotent, what would you do over a period of time, right? You say that your Noah is locked in a warehouse and you can do anything you want in there. You can create and destroy whatever you want, but you're in this giant concrete warehouse with no light.

And eventually, over, you know, maybe it's one year, maybe it's a thousand years, or it's a million years, you start to realize your omnipotence is actually not omnipotent at all, because you're like, well, I can be here for infinity, but I actually don't think I don't have omnipotence about is my own presence of mine, my own awareness. So the only way to actually become omnipotent is to kill yourself. And so, because then you take control. You have the power. Exactly. You have the power to truly merge with all things and kind of sign the check of your omnipotence that way. So you could do that. And so God out in the middle of the universe, the universe is his giant black, dark warehouse. And so he manifests this giant gun, pulls the cosmic trigger to assert his omnipotence. And the bullet going through his brain explodes his brain into billions of fragments. And those fragments are the stars and those create all the solar systems in the earth. Yes, I did. I did have your wife dose you with the empty right before this, by the way, feeling anything. Well, you know, I usually I don't microdose before every podcast, but today is micro dose day. So my mind is exploding as you're describing the bullet going through.

I love it, man. I really love it. And I mean, I asked the question also not because I look for firm answers from people, because of course, the person who's like, this is exactly what's going on. You're like, run the fuck away. Like that person really doesn't. But it gives a nice kind of like, it gives some insight and clarity into how that person views the world. Yours is obviously exactly who you are. That's exactly what I would expect from you, right? It's a kind of tongue in cheek yet totally plausible metaphysical reality that really no one can prove or disprove, but really just like if you think about it, is as plausible as any other myths that we've heard told about our creation story. And certainly is a pretty fun one. Yeah, it's fun. It's colorful.

I had people tweeting at me that randomly that saying that they were offended whenever I first said that on whatever podcast I was on. Yeah. Well, you know, it's probably, you know, people don't like hearing cosmic triggers and deaths and things like that. I think the idea of their God killing them. So I was pretty graphic about it. The first time I talked about it. But it's pretty, I mean, it's a good, it's a good kind of exercise to put your own thoughts through. I think too is the kind of fractal of this if we're drilling down to the micro, like that's that is kind of the lens that we have to look at a lot of these things through, right? I mean, like we have to be able to discern whether our own thoughts and ideas are not just valid in terms of their efficacy of what they're doing, but like, are they helping us? Are they helping the people around us? And that's like, again, going back to kind of what you do as a teacher, a writer, as someone who puts out pretty really like legit content with depth to it, which I think is sorely lacking so much. And like what we see on the web these days and just what we have access to, you know, your ability to kind of drill down and talk about this stuff. I think in a practical way is what separates you from a lot of other people who are doing this. I mean, what tools, when did you I don't think I actually know this? When did you start meditating? Like when when did this become a part of your life? Oh, well, first off, again, thanks, man. I appreciate that.

I I do my best to keep it real and keep it legit and just, you know, really just be you're who you are. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I started meditating, you know, one of us a teenager. It was just kind of a response to sort of some of the circumstances of alluding to earlier. And essentially, I was very interested in philosophy was from philosophy. Found that in my teen years. And it is really kind of by chance. I've told this story before, but basically, I had been, you know, like, like most of us, I felt out of sync with the, you know, everyone in my life system, I felt like I couldn't really relate to people and or anything really.

As a teenager? Yeah, I know exactly. Yeah. That's how we that's how we feel in those times, you know, and I was definitely feeling that way. And but I felt that way throughout my life, you know, like, Yeah, I was going to say after I said it, you know, like, I think that maintains for more and more people these days. Yeah, like as a kid, I remember like getting punished because I stayed at, you know, my mom was a single parent. And so she would drop me off with this, you know, whatever, a priest, a daycareer and stuff like that. And she happened to drop me off. There was like a, you know, a Christian one close to the house. And I, I used to go there and like, they would pull out their weird Christian games and stuff. And I would just refuse a Tom as a kid, I'd be like, no, I'm not doing that. Like, that's ridiculous. Like, like, you know, this, this has nothing to do with like a God or something. And then it was as I was sitting there and I'd get punished and like putting time out and stuff. And then as I was sitting there, like, as again, it's like a little, this is like before, it was like before preschool, I suppose, waiting for my mom to pick me up. I would like sit there and watch the cars driving around the building. I'd say in my mind, I'd go, there's no God if next car that drives around the building isn't my mom. And I'd be like, okay, you get another shot in the next car. If that one's not my mom, then there's definitely no God. And then just the kind of, I think I might have mentioned this to you before, but at the same time, around the same areas is a, a bubbling little era in my, in my little Corey child brain because I started to sniff out some bullshit, I guess, because I then at Christmas, I told my mom I wanted one thing from Santa Claus. And then I asked her for us to go to the mall so I could talk to Santa. And I told him I wanted something else. And I went to go wait and see what showed up. I was like, yeah, something's not adding up in on this planet. So yeah, yeah. So anyway, I feeling out of sync and all that I, you know, by chance I overheard someone more of us very young, I think it might have been my older brother. But they said who, you know, if you could have dinner with like four people living your day, who would it be? One of those people mentioned it was Nishi. I remember years later, like going through a bookstore and then seeing Nishi on the back of a book spine and that, oh, yeah, there's that's an interesting word. And I went over and looked at it and reading it. It was like an explosion went off because it was like, Oh, wow, this is how I think not, not necessarily what I think, but this is kind of the mathematics of how my brain works. And I was, I just became completely like clinically obsessed with philosophy. And so I went way deep into it. And after I like kind of digested all that, that's when I started reading Eastern philosophy. And of course, like Schopenhauer was a big inspiration to Nishi and Schopenhauer was very influenced by Eastern philosophy as well. And so that those kind of mentions of those names, whatever led me to Eastern philosophy. And then when I read that, I was like, Oh, okay, this is how I think and it's what I think to a big degree. So I be, and of course, at the same time, I also started reading off the hippie philosophers like Terence McKenna and Robert downtown will send and you know, Alan Watts and people like that. They're kind of the bridge between those two worlds and modernization and whatever. So that's what got me into meditation is I was always reading these techniques and stuff out of books, because this is like kind of the internet was around, I suppose, but in the 90s, it wasn't really it wasn't this it wasn't close to this. It was basically might as well not been the internet. Right. Right. A bunch of word documents. So yeah, man, I just like read, you know, read stuff online about it. And I mean, I'm sorry, I read stuff in books about it. And I just kind of start practicing on my own. And I remember thinking very explicitly, like that the world inside of my body, like that was my sanctuary. And that was my private place that was safe. And that no matter what was happening outside of me, in my life, or like to me or around me, that I could always control I was having that Victor Frankall kind of inside experience was like the demands, the last whatever freedom is your own ability to think. Yeah, that's that's nuts and bolts of our our freedom there. And I remember having that experience and thinking like, okay, this is where I can like begin to take off some of this, this lead weight I'm carrying and let go of some of the suffering and begin to sharpen my mind. And as I did that, you know, I started taking psychedelics and stuff at the same time. And I started to realize I just became aware of like consciousness acutely. And then, you know, then it was the it was off to the races with investigating consciousness and what have you. So what I mean, what amazing recap to and your your pillars of wisdom are about as strong as they get from the west and the east. So you're good there. What when you started kind of becoming aware of consciousness? And I asked this really just from like a part, I probably was around the same age as you when I was this was going on.

Like what what did you what have you discovered in the decades since then, right? Like what what are the hallmarks of what you would consider kind of, I don't know, genuine soul fulfilling consciousness as opposed to kind of what we all live in the other time, which is kind of out of sync with that, which is not necessarily our faults. Any thing we're doing wrong, it's just as life as best as we can tell. That's the reality of suffering. But what have you discovered? Because I mean, in addition to your own internal, you know, pursuits of this stuff, you do what I do, which is talk to fucking really smart people who think and experience this stuff as much as anyone else on the planet. And that's part of our personal kind of path that we've taken. So like what have you kind of like pulled out over the years in terms of like, you know what, these are the things that I found that are worth focusing on when I'm trying to develop this like legitimate authentic connection to who I am. Yeah, I think that's the most crucial turning point in my like experience with consciousness was not only just the the embodying of the knowledge, but that knowledge soaking and turning into actual lived experience and wisdom of the awareness of my subjectivity.

And that's something that you can talk about all day long, but until you actually have the experience of, I mean, if I were to have to describe an enlightened and enlightening moment in my life, like someone said, what was where was your moment of enlightenment? That was it. And it was, and please stop with you and I've talked so much, please stop me if I've told you this before, but that came from the oddest of places, you know, that my the ability to punch through and for that to click came from Buckminster Fuller, because I was reading critical path and synergetics and his books because it was an echo of you know, Robert on Tom Wilson. And this is again, this is how, you know, I guess the conduits of knowledge worked back then is that you read one book and then the authors and books and people that they mentioned those you go find theirs. Yeah, you go find that's like free internet. Yeah, that was like a link before they were hot links, you know, I was like, okay, there's a link. So anyway, I was yeah, deep in the book, Mr. Fuller, and he talked about the non simultaneous interactive, apprehended processing idea. That was how he described, you know, the self organization and spontaneous order of nature, but also your own subjective experience of that. Yeah, it's kind of unpacked that frame in this listing. I know I glossed over it like the idea of non simultaneous interactive, apprehended processing. Again, he's an engineer, not a poet, but like, no, no one's going to mistake him for one.

Well, I find it rather poetic, but in its own mechanical way. But like, so basically the idea, non simultaneous means that all things are happening independent of each other in their own timeline. So you have, you know, you walk outside, there's cars driving by, there's birds flying overhead, there's insects moving around on the grass, there's oxygen molecules happening, there's leaves, you know, falling from trees, there's grass shooting up. All these type of things are occurring all at once, but they're occurring independent of each other. However, they're all happening together in a, they're spontaneously ordered, you know, so then the in the apprehending process or part of that is you observing it all. So you're non simultaneously, which means that everything's happening in its own independent thread of narrative, apprehending it, that means you're taking it all in, you're nervous system is taking a reading of the world that's occurring outside of your skin, which is objective reality or the objective world. The processing is you thinking about it, it being digested into your brain and you're, you know, going through all the conduits of your ego and your, your past experience and genetic inherent, it's everything that paints the picture of your world view. And then, um, uh, having a pro, none of this is an actual advertising. Yeah, that's it.

So you're, you're taking the reading of everything of everything, essentially the chaos is happening out there and processing it and then coming up with your subjective perception of it. And so, that saying like was so, it became this weird lyrical type of mantra in my brain, like I got obsessed with it because I used to go find like the heaviest things I could read, like quite literally and figuratively, like this thousand page book and I'm going to like get through it. Um, and I would just like force myself to read and I would reread every paragraph until it made sense. And then I would think I would read for like hours and hours a day for years. Uh, I did this.

And it was, and I would read until I felt stoned. And that was how I learned that it was like, it, that's how I could feel my consciousness expanding. Like I'm pushing the membrane of my awareness further out into existence. And so that was one of those things that like, I would ruminate on things that didn't quite click. And like, and so that was one of them. So I, I walk around going like non simultaneous interactive after the process, I know my breath. And one day in a bookstore, whenever I was like 17 or 18, I went in and I was like muttering that under my breath, just kind of as like, you know, as a good old obsessive tick, good old, good old insane completely insane, uh, neurotic, uh, muttering. And I, I go in there and this is just really so ill to stuff in my entire life. But as I started peeing, I was saying that under my breath, and it all clicked. And it all like, everything just made since I understood it. And I, I called the, the, in one version of my manuscript, I had this story in there and I called it the unbearable lightness of peeing. But it was basically like the, the movie set of reality just fell to pieces. And like, it was like the, all the walls fell apart and not in a literal way. But in the camera of my mind, I just saw in that moment how, and I only saw by felt and was just acutely aware that of the reading that I was taking the limited aspect of my perception, the fullness of my perception, and, um, yeah, just the, the, it from the inside and outside at the same time. And that was just such a fundamental moment in my consciousness exploration that from there, it allowed me to really get into those, the concept of compassion and patience and release and letting go and all that stuff. Um, yeah. Yeah. Dude, I, first of all, amazing experience. I have a few thoughts on it.

And I also like that you have the awareness and wherewithal to pinpoint pretty accurately these points. This question, it's, again, it's not a great question to ask someone. One were you aware of consciousness, but you can answer it because I know you, you reflect back on these things. You actually look for the kind of moments and you can actually, the resonant quality of it sticks in your mind. And I think that's, that's really fucking cool. I also think that it's really interesting that you were peeing not to get too graphic here, but there's something to be said for the mind state. We forget about this these days because we have our devices and most of us bring them into the bathroom with us, whether we admit it or not. So we, you know, some of us used to like to read back in the day, but there's this process of letting your natural mind kind of slip away so you can go to the bathroom. We don't think about it. I'm thinking about it a little more often because when potty training, my son, which is not going well. So you can see this cognitive, well, we just missed our boat and now it's going to be a nightmare with another kid. So what are you going to do? But my point is, is that there's this process of letting go and dropping kind of our subjective perspective for a little bit that I'm not totally surprised that that happened while you were peeing. Like it, it kind of makes sense that to recognize and be aware of your own consciousness and the fullness and the limited capacity, like that's, that makes sense to me on a lot of levels.

Yeah. More to the point about that, I think this is something that we all interface with routinely, many times a day, probably while we're dreaming. But it's our inability to kind of recognize that some meta processes is going on that allows us to gloss over it. You know what I mean? All right. Have you ever read, have you James Joyce fan at all? I'm not, but I've read some parts of it and I'm like, I don't understand. I was really obsessed with James Joyce when I was like a teenager as well in my early 20s. And so one of the books, I like to, I've read Finnegan's Wake, like I've rubbed my eyeballs across the words on it. I don't claim to understand it. That's what that was my experience of trying to.

Whenever I heard Tom Robbins say, like, I'll be reading that book for the rest of my life, I was like, all right, well, if Tom, if he didn't get it, then, you know, Yeah, exactly. But I've read a lot of books about that book, you know, and one of the ones that was really cool is by this guy named John Bishop. And I think it's called Joyce's Book of the Dark or something like that. Because, you know, Ulysses essentially was to, it was to illustrate a single day, you know, in Dublin, right? So the why Ulysses is such a great groundbreaking book is because what he does is Joyce is the first time in literary history where he takes the point of view of the narration of the story outside of the character's minds and has all these different narratives weaving together. And he's really doing what we were talking about earlier is he's describing the spontaneous order of human society and human lives and how all from the different perspectives, one character will observe this. But as the reader, you go, Oh, wait, he talked about this, this other character talked about that same thing happening. They must be walking by each other in this moment. And even though it's kind of occurring in a different part of the storytelling, you can like map out this single day and how it's all these lives intertwining into this thing.

This is why Tim Leary said that Ulysses was what prepared him for psychedelic space. That book liberated his mind. And so that's why the book's so brilliant. And then, so that's one day, fitting his wake was one night. And that's why that one's so fucked up. It's because that's why it's the same thing as Ulysses, but everyone's sleeping. So that's why it's impenetrable. And also because like Joyce is such a genius. And the scholars were sort of like some of them were rough on him. He was like, well, all right, well, I'm going to show you just how genius I am. I'm going to write a book that like you'll be trying to break apart for the rest of time. But one of the things that in John Bishop's book of the dark, or Joyce's book of the dark, he talks about things white, there's a lot of weird mentions of, you know, scatological things. He talks about, you know, going to the bathroom, peeing of of shitting, whoever in Infineensway. And his because in John Bishop, new Joyce and talked, so it's not like he this is hypothesizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically, this was a part of the reason I'm sure there's plenty other why Joyce put those things in there is because it was intending to speak to while you're in your sleeping, dreaming state, the unconscious part of the human mind, the animal system that's signaling to the conscious mind, like, Hey, you might need to wake up and go to the bathroom. Like it's deep digging in those deep elements of like the root circuitry of our consciousness that can communicate those signals through both. Yeah. Yeah. And so pretty amazing. But whenever I had that experience of, you know, what I called cracking the egg, you know, my my subjective waking up to my subjectivity in the bathroom is that I've thought about this subsequently because it makes some sense to me because the real, in my opinion, or what I tend to think more these days is that something like enlightenment is something closer to it's a clearing away of all the shit that's packed on top of your brain, and even most of your intellect, and allowing the totality and the fullness of your intuitive essence, the root system, the seeds of wisdom that blossom from the very ground for over consciousness to flow through without putting them through the mainframe in all the compartmentalization and dissection and notation of your intellect and all this stuff and really letting all of what you are come through with disrupting it as little as possible. And to me, that makes sense that I would have this experience in the bathroom, because if there was a moment, even by chance, if I happen to let go of my, I let my brain was so intellectually like, just like a steel fist grabbing on the ship. Yeah, yeah, I can hear it. Just you would describe it. Yeah, man. And we know people who are like, yeah, yeah, so tight. Like in, I feel like I, you know, whatever the reason was I let go, and it could have been the relaxation of like peeing, like literally, and in that moment of relaxing, that I allowed that intuitive system, like my awareness, all that to come through in like the whole system fire that was like a lightning strike, and it allowed the intuitive ground floor animal, like bottom layer thing to fire upwards in my intellect was able to be like the barrel of the gun that that thing shot out of. And it all like, made it all clicked in that moment. That's kind of what I've thought about since then. That again, man makes a lot of sense. Like, it really does like, and what you're describing is kind of the dropping away of intellect and these other things when experiencing that, I think is hard for a lot of us to fully understand and appreciate just based on how our culture functions right now, right? Accumulating wisdom, give me the secret, give me the codes, give me the magical teachings that will then, you know, allow me to do the thing I want to do rather than, all right, tell me the things I need to know or should be telling myself that I already know, but need to hear from someone else because it's going to make it sound better, and I'm going to believe it more because I don't want to trust that the wisdom is deep within me, because that's a terrifying thought for most people, because you're essentially then living on this edge. And I think this happens a lot. And I was exploring this a little bit with our friend Eric Godsey about psychosis and synchronicity and mental illnesses. I think what happens when people get to that point and recognize the kind of totality of that statement that we really are creating our lives at the molecular level, whether we're aware of it or not, they can be a terrifying thing to come face to face with, right? You're like, holy shit, I am now accountable and responsible for this reality. I've manifested about me. That's, you know, how many people see that and turn and run away and, you know, leave the forest and go back to their safe castle at that point, because that's like a natural reaction to such a terrifying thought for people. But it really is the truth of the situation. And I think when you have an awareness that there's this point in your life where it shifted, a lot of people have this with psychedelics. A lot of people don't have it with psychedelics. They have it. This pressure cooker, this vise-like grip you're talking that the intellect can put on people, I think is kind of like a pressure cooker where when the button pops off, you can actually have like a pretty good recipe for enlightened. Because it's such, it's exactly. It's really what it's like, because it's like, it's a very kind of ramped up, knotted type of existence, which is not really well suited for longevity, right? Like if you're doing like, if you're working a muscle over and over and over and over and over and you're not listening to your body, like, it can snap. You can pull it. Yeah, it's like, the doctor says you have inflammation of the philosophy. But it is a thing that we obviously see over and over. And I think we're kind of shifting from this era of the guru. We hear this spoken about a lot. I have, you know, a little backstage past, past all of this stuff. But we see the age of the guru and the hierarchical system of these, this person's going to be the wisdom. They have the secrets. Go study with them. That's the only way you're going to get enlightened. We see this breaking apart right now. We see the cracks in that foundation. Most people see it, you know, whether it's the sexual abuses that are coming out or just like the financial kind of bullshit that happens with a lot of this stuff. We see it. But in that gap, we're also seeing this being filled by anyone and everyone saying, Oh, well, I have the answers, which is not really the opposite of the guru paradigm. The opposite of the guru paradigm is finding a community of people who will reflect back to you that you know it. You had these answers. You know what's right. You know, this isn't some like secret past down knowledge. And the real secret is I see it. And this is where I think people like you really do a tremendous service to people. We're trying to figure this out. And whether they know they're asking these questions or not is how do we bridge those kind of deep inner truths and wisdom, knowing we have the answers with the situation we find ourselves in, right? We're in a neo-capitalist environmentally precarious, you know, politically polarized, aggressive kind of environment. How do we maintain this kind of deep grounded wisdom and translate that into our daily lives? And again, I want much more resonate with someone like you who's a person doing shit that they like to do, sharing their experiences, recognizing when they've had a profound shifting consciousness that that potentially can help people, not with the desire to be known as the person who's going to help you, but to actually like genuinely for the aspiration and tension of people to like help them like that.

That is truly what I think we need more people doing that. And I know this is kind of just sounding like patting on the back ism, but it's sorely lacking. I've seen this like from a generational standpoint kind of permeate into our current context and like, yeah, we recognize gurus are bad, but we also need to recognize, you know, the people who are helping us along in a substantial way. I'm with you, man, I totally agree. And I think that, you know, things have evolved and changed as you described, I think that the notion of the guru or the spiritual teacher or whatever is kind of is really kind of old paradigm that is, as you mentioned, it's really beginning to crack and fall away. And I think that's for the best, because no matter how if you're Elon Musk, or if you're, you know, not Elon Musk, he's still, you know, he's thriving in one area as a person. He's suffering greatly in other areas. Yes, visibly in other areas. And that's, you know, why? It's because he's a person. And it's like all people, no matter who you are, no matter how woke you are, and how spiritual and tuned you are or attuned you are, you're going to, yeah, you have some some great information, but you're also just another dumb fuck, just like the rest of us bumbling through life, trying to figure it out, you know, and to frame the conversation in that I have, I am the teacher who has the answer, like drink from the streams of my knowledge. It's like to go away.

Like that the whole thing is just like, just to start from that point is so telling about, you know, like I hadn't, it's like, whenever people, you know, people over spiritualize everything, you know, and, and I hear, I hear it, they used to irritate me because it's because I saw it pushing away truth and pushing people further away from what will make them happy and what they're seeking. So it used to make me mad. But now I just look at it as just this coin of horse or arch test, where I'm like, okay, that's how that person sees the game. And yes, thanks for telling me, you know, like, I can't do anything for you, but it's good to know, it's good to know how to interact with that person, some degree. It's a more mature approach to take and one that I've reluctant reluctantly settled into over the years as well. I remember someone who I had a big professional falling out and really, you know, still to this day, harbor some negative feelings towards, but he said something to me and it sticks with me because I think it's just, it's really a good thing to remember. He said, Noah, you're not the spiritual police, you know, you're not in charge of policing what's right and what's wrong. Like, know that. And I was like, you know, at the time I was like, you're fucking asshole, like you're doing some shady shit. That's just a cop out. But as I thought about it more and more, I was like, you know, the more I get personally invested in what someone else is doing and have no control over their actions, I'm just seeding all, all awareness, all power, all anything I can to this person. And if I already have a problem with what they're doing, that's probably not the best person to say, you know, turn over my awareness to. And yeah, man, like, it's just, you have to settle in. There's everyone wants to be doing something these days, you know, that's our culture reinforces that the allure of attention and cloud and acknowledgement is just kind of a warped permutation of people just wanting to feel loved, right? That's all they want to do. And it's not anything more complicated that, but it gets warped and distorted by what we think is love and attention, right? If we get more likes, and it's just, it's just not how it works, which is why, again, I just think we need more people who present themselves as like, this is who I am. These are some things that have helped me. If they help you, fucking awesome. If not, no worries, there are millions of other routes you can go on. But, you know, distilling down kind of the common factor, I think, between all these things, where people are going to believe different things all the time. Is it kind? Is it compassionate? And does it take in multiple perspectives? Is it not just coming from this person's limited perspective? But are they thinking about how it impacts other people? Those are kind of the hallmarks I use for discerning who's worth listening to, right? Those are the whole works of how you get online, I guess, I'm breaking it down.

Let me first off, let me just say that the gentleman that told you you're not spiritual police, that person could use spiritual policing, just from my experience. So don't feel too bad about that one. Don't beat yourself up on it. But yeah, man, people overthink everything. We cannot accept simple answers for anything because we must put the fingerprints of our ego all over it in order to feel like we get signed off on it, we made the world more like us somehow as opposed to allowing ourselves to be more like the world. And we can't accept so many people have such a hard time accepting simple answers. But here's one, is that what you're just talking about, how to figure out, you know, where to get your wisdom from, essentially, where you buy your wisdom. Like, it's just the same as any other social, you know, activity, look at like if you hang out with some people at a party or whatever.

Like, what do you, how do you decide who you stand around and talk to and for how long? It's like, well, this person doesn't feel good to me. This person feels weird and twitchy and like they're like, either they're nervous or they're highly self focused or something. It just kind of feels off. So I'm going to walk over here, I'm going to disengage and be nice and patient and say, all right, yeah, I'm going to grab a drink or whatever. And then you go off and then you go talk to someone else for a while. And you can do that and mull around and maybe some people come up to you. And then eventually, you say you find someone that you click with and you start talking, it feels good. And you like you, you see the connection in their eyes, you're both genuinely interested, your body language all shapes up and you get locked in and you feel excited and you get energy coming through you. And you're like, yeah, this person is super cool. And you talk to them for half an hour or something like that. And other people maybe come around and join in the conversation and then wander off, but you're plugged in. There's a reason why you drawn to talk to that person. It's because you feel an intuitive connection to their what they're embodying. And it feels right, you know, and that's all it is with any person that we come across about, you know, that's sharing some type of knowledge or wisdom or whatever it might be. Is it just that simple? It's like, I don't know, does this person feel right to you? Does it resonate? Does your intuition tell you like, this person knows what they're talking about? I'd like to like engage that person. Cool.

Or do you want to walk away from them and go find a drink? You know, it's, it's funny because it's an unsatisfying answer for people who want like empiricism and some analysis of why this is the case. But you know, man, that's really how it is in life. You know, it really is like that. Like these gut and we can talk, you know, we could break it down to the gut biome is inflex influencing our app, but really our intuition, our real kind of resonance physiological and emotional and psychological responses to things. If you can learn to identify that and be trusted, life, life doesn't run smooth forever under any circumstances all of the time, but shit gets a lot easier to be with, man. It just gets a lot easier if you can learn to trust that. And I've found in my own life when things get overly hectic or aren't going right. And there's no clear external circumstance for it. I noticed myself being out of sync with that. And I just, I don't pay attention to the things that I should be.

And it's just, it goes off the ramp. So yeah, man, I, it's, it's funny that, you know, like a lot of people might, well, you know, pay attention to yourself, that little conscious, that little voice, that little thing that is really easy to push away, you know, especially in the beginning, if you're not used to listening to it, like that shit will not steer you wrong. You're so right, man. And this is a really silly, but very accurate way to tune into that. And that's like, we're, as we were talking earlier, needing to go to the bathroom. So if you're like, you're, what are you doing? You're sitting there and you feel the feeling that you need to go to the bathroom. How do you know you have to go pee? How do you know that? How do you know that you have to, you know, go to the bathroom at all? Well, you get this little, like, signal from your gut almost that comes up and touches the bottom of your brain that goes, hey, you got to go pee real quick.

And sometimes you feel some pressure or something, but sometimes not. Sometimes it just goes, you got to pee. And then what then when you think about it, then you feel the pressure. Yeah. Oh, that little thing coming up that's going, hey, like you can, any of us listen to that, and we hear it multiple times a day. And in fact, as a side note, I was recently, I've been like, how many times do you have to pee at a lifetime? I'm like, three times a day, for 365 days a year, for 80 years or whatever. Like God, when does it end? It's just pee after pee. I'm just so over peeing, by the way, by the time the, the absurdity of being human is not lost.

Right. So the point is, is that in the same, we're all already doing this thing. This is just like meditation. It's like on my book, I put, well, how do you meditate, breathe like you're sleeping. You do it every single night. Just do that while you're like, breathe like you're sleeping. You know what I mean? This calm depth of the open and with no grasping because you're allowing the body to, you know, do what it does. And it's the same thing with this. It's like, we all hear and feel that call to go to the restroom multiple times a day, the little tendril coming up through your body and touching the bottom of your brain. This is yo, go to the bathroom. Well, that thing, that, that's your, the bottom floor of your intuition.

And so whenever you're talking to someone and you feel like, hmm, I don't know about this, or you feel, oh, this person is, this is lovely, or you're in a situation, we're trying to make a decision on something like our thoughts are just notations. We're just describing what we already know by writing a bunch of, and assigning a bunch of words to that feeling. And it's like, however long you want to sit there and fill pages with descriptions of that feeling and until you dilute it and cover it till you can't see anymore. Well, that's, you're up to you, you know. But the more you can just tune into that little feeling, that little call all the time with all things, I think that what one will find and what I've definitely found is an ability to really let go, be held by your own nature, the nature of the being, of being itself, and let all of what you are, your natural expression and your natural brilliance flow through, unfiltered by the negative part of the human, or the challenging part of how our human brain exists in modern society, which is the neurotic, horrible, inner critic, comparative type of brain.

Yeah, man, I mean, I don't think anyone could say it better than that. And I'm, it is not lost on me that this podcast from beginning to end has revolved around peeing. That is moved into the whole fucking podcast. And I love it. And I'm genuinely going to ponder and think about the connection going to the bathroom and enlightenment now. And I bet there's some anecdotes out there from spiritual masters where this stuff is really, I'm very sure of it. Let's do this is so much fun. We got to do it. Wow. I did a piece of it right before we got on. So that's why all the time. Last questions, three quick ones, one open ended one. What's your favorite color?

I like shiny a lot. Shiny is a great color. But I didn't generally like black. I'm drawn to black. Cool. Shiny black. Very cool. Favorite number? 22. Two two two. Isn't that your birthday? I see that number since I'm very young everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. It's like my 11. It's very interesting. Exactly. You could pop out behind the closet for me right now. What's your favorite animal? Oh, interesting, interesting. And I have to choose only one. You can choose as many as you are. Let's take off a few that come straight to mind. I really like tortoises a lot because they're like the closest thing you can get to an ancient like reptilian beast that is peaceful and kind and meditative. Obviously, like a Komodo dragon is evil and will bite you.

It's saliva will paralyze you when it gets in your bloodstream so that it can eat you while you're still alive. Not a friendly critter. Also the like alligators and crocodiles and stuff like that. Again, not not gentle folk, but a tortoise is so cool and so like decisive and just in chill, not in the rush. And they're also just this dinosaur, this ancient animal that isn't evolved and for longer than I can even process. They're beautiful creatures. I also very much obviously dogs, dogs. Eagles are I feel a strong connection to eagles because of some brain scrambling ayahuasca moments. Yes, yes, we spoke about this. And I like just odd critters too, things like Euromastics, another lizard. They're just kind of, what is the Euromastic? They're just this strange like they they look funny like they look like this super intellectual like like Hobbes. Like every time I see one, I just picture them being like, mmm, yes, quite, you know, like that.

I'm going to google this right after this cover. This is the look they got in their face. They're like, Oh, do you the is the European trade market a bit flimsy for your taste, you know? And so there's those and like things like capybaras, you know, just like. Yes, I know those. And man, I went to the zoo recently and just by myself, 4 p.m. No, I went there was a, I looked at these orangutans for a long time. All the smokes. So a couple of funny things. One, like talk about just deep, deep, like wild presence. I was watching this big dude walk around by himself and, you know, I mean, I don't know what they weigh, like 800 pounds or something. Yeah. And he's like five feet tall and just monstrously big and so powerful and like thick and heavy and not just enough. Of course, he's like, these 800 pounds, a quick twitch muscle fiber, but he's powerful in the sense of his presence and just like the force and the gravity of nature and net consciousness is was not lost to me. And then I was looking at this little dry race board next to the orangutan cage because I kind of came up in a weird angle. And it was a notes for the employees of the zoo. And it said, it was like a note about orangutans. It was like, these creatures are solitary apes. They generally enjoy spending most of the time alone. However, under certain certain circumstances, they're willing to be social whenever it suits them and the other people. And I was like, holy shit, I'm going to ring a tank.

It's a really good discovery. How about you? What's your, what are your favorite animals? I like, I'm not going to give a whole totem pole like you, but I like dolphins a lot. They're just, they've always spoken to me on a deep level. Other than that, I mean, I genuinely like all animals, but I would say dolphins are probably my go to like, that's my, that's my spirit animal. And I'm a Miami dolphins fan, which is just the worst decision of all time in my waking life. I know that that's football, but I'm not sure if they're any good or not. I know the patriots are constantly winning. I know that. All right. So know this, having not knowing anything about that, the patriots are in the same division as the dolphins. So for as long as the patriots have been very good, the dolphins have been conversely as good. So it's been pretty bad.

You must be a fan of John Lillie then. Oh, of course. How can you not be? I mean, so I plowed through some of this stuff in my team years, not understanding, you know, a fraction of what the hell this guy is talking about, having no context, even for psychedelics or anything. I was just like, what? But yeah, dude, I mean, amazing, amazing. Talk about someone who had his eye towards consciousness and seeing, you know, how that emerged in our meta programming. I mean, Jesus Christ. I think that's a lesson of coloring a little too far outside the lines. Oh, yeah. Wait. You got to hear Zach Leary told me a story once of how he was in a flotation tank and Romdas was over at his dad's place. And John Lillie was there. And this was at the point where John Lillie had gotten breast implants. Yeah. Yeah. It's just I was like, dude, your life, is not like my life. I don't have that story at all. Got so fun. I forgot about the last question.

Practical tip that has helped you in your life that you could share with people listening could be anything. I would say that patience is everything. Patience is everything. In the same way that you never write an email when you're angry, never send a text message when you're angry. Always wait. Always sleep on it and give it some times where you move out of that amygdala brain and back into your whole total picture of your brain. But with everything, you can take that idea and you can scale that up or down. You know, the true abundance of life is weighing all around us is dying for us to just stop for a moment and engage with it and soak it in and relish in all that there is, which is this moment that we have right now, you know. And patience is so important because it's not I mean, I could say it's important. That means nothing to anyone.

But we'll say patience is valuable because, you know, every time that you you stop and you actually are patient and you really listen to us, someone's telling you it changes everything. Every time that you're patient with yourself and you start to feel frustrated or in a rush or whatever might be a frazzled or if you keep messing something up in your life, you know, like stopping and just giving being a little patient with yourself is is so huge. And then same thing in conversations, if you get into a conflict with a partner or something like that or a friend, again, the patience to let someone be who they are and get out what they need to get out and not be reactive and reject the very humanity in your own and allow all things to kind of come through and give it space. And it just really allows you to not only soak up the really full picture and beauty of what life has to offer, but as you decide to simultaneously mitigate so much suffering and so much just the chance for to have a moment stolen from your life and others by the distraction of nonsense. Yeah, man, there's some deep cuts wisdom, dude. It really is because like, again, like, it's like you're speaking right to me. I've I've had the ability to really bring in some patients into my life. A kid will do this. If anyone wants a shortcut, have a kid.

It might be some other downside to it, but try that out. But yeah, man, it really is so truly, if you can just get into that mindset and allow things to be like, it really is like, it's the most powerful thing. It's it's helped me so much of my life. Corey, we got to do this again. We can't wait this long next time. It's just such a such a pleasure being able to speak to you for for an hour. So it's great. So it's so great to talk with you to again. It's been too long. And I really appreciate your your podcasting skills, you know, in that there's there's never a moment where you don't have a question or idea ready. And at first, of course, it was often on the other side or who was on both sides of the table frequently. I appreciate that you're prepared with ideas and thoughts to keep the flow of your show going and not to put any pressure on the person who's on the outside table. So thank you. Man, the secret is just interviewing interesting people and talking to interesting people. That's all it is to do. You do my job for me. Thanks, man. We'll speak soon.

[Music] [Music] Thanks for listening to that episode. Hope you enjoyed it. Don't forget to rate and review this podcast on iTunes. They're coming in hot and heavy. I got a really, really sweet email from a few people this week. Well, one in particular, I'm thinking I got a few emails. One was very sweet. And so I just want to say thank you for that email. You know who you are who's listening and I'm glad that experiences I have went through and other people have went through are able to provide some solace and peace of mind for people who have had very intense synchronistic experiences and may not have people to speak to. So I appreciate that. That's it. That's all I got.

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