Who Is God with Maggie Hazen

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Bard College is 15 minutes away, maybe less from where I live. My whole family went there. My mom, my dad, my aunt, my sister. I did not go there. I went to a music college. I'm the black sheep. But I love Bard College. It's a mystical, weirdo, psychedelic enclave in the middle of the Hudson Valley. Kind of like my house. I fucking love it. I was asked to buy Maggie to be a guest lecturer on podcasting. I did that last week. I basically went in there and rambled for an hour and a half. Who knows those poor kids? Those poor students trying to get higher education. I'm rambling about tarot and podcasting and the universe and how they are God and all of these things.

But they seem to respond well. I mean, if there's a place for that, it's Bard. So that was pretty cool. I had a great time. Maggie though. Oh boy, Maggie is so interesting. You will hear about her background in this episode. I'm not going to give it away. You will hear about her journey. You will hear about her faith, her belief, what her conception of God is, what God is in her mind. And she's just a very interesting person who I immediately connected with. She's also one of the first people who added me back on co-star. Like I think like six or seven months ago, I went and added like all of my friends. And I'm pretty sure many of them because most of the people who, at least at that time, who are on co-star were women. And so I knew that like some were probably going to interpret this as me like trying to hit on them. But it wasn't. I was just like, holy shit, astrology is interesting. I want to compare charts with everyone. But Maggie added me back immediately. And I got to like, yeah, you get to look at your charts and see what we're at.

So cool. I love it. But she's just a wonderful person. She has an art background. That's what she teaches at Bard in the art department, the art studio. It's just, it's cool, man. Art is the best. And we've had some lovely conversations about the nature of reality, culture, creativity. But this episode predominantly is about God and healing and faith and miracles. And I love it for that reason. The first 20 minutes, 15 minutes of this, her mic wasn't on. So you'll hear me allude to the fact that, Oh, we'll go back and get it. It didn't sound the way I wanted it to sound. So we're just going to pick it up after 15 minutes. Oh, well, I've been having a fair amount of technical difficulties, not doing anything differently, things not recording, things recording partially.

There's something going on. I'm working through it. I'm imagining a different reality. But that's been going on. Luckily, I have a stash of guest episodes and so many more plan that there's really no worries. Like we're always going to have guests always, always, always, always, and for Reva. So yeah, that's it. Thank you. I mentioned it last episode. Thank you to everyone who has gotten in touch about the astrology readings. I'm learning so much. It's been incredible. Everything I wanted to learn I am learning. I'm looking forward to being able to offer this as a service in the future. But let me get my chops up. Also, I figured out a cool thing to do. Like, I was listening to this great new podcast. What's it called? My friend Sean sent it to me. Sean's going to be on the podcast soon, not Sean from very eight, my friend Sean Cohn. He sent me this podcast to listen to on decades, which is how you relate the tarot to astrology. And I'm just trying to find it right now. What is it? Oh, yeah. Fortune's Wheelhouse with Suzy, Chang, and Mel, Melene. Oh, man. So good. So good. So good. So I'm learning a lot from that. But one thing that they do is Suzy has written books and so she'll do these giveaways and she'll relate them to cards and stuff. So that's what I'm going to start doing. And this is the first one. I just decided it right now. If you want a free tarot reading, you can go look at the prices. They're not super cheap. But if you want a free one, all you have to do is this go follow me on Instagram. I will look. I will randomly pick someone you have to ping me you have to message me DM me and say, Hey, I want a free reading. And then you're drawn in. I promise I will do this fairly through a random number generator or something like that. I will pick a winner. We'll do a reading. That's it. I'm going to offer these at least once a month. It's just my way of giving back because people have paid me for this service and it's allowed me to learn it. It's just great. I want to just keep feeding the system. If that makes sense, makes everyone happy, including myself. So we're going to do that.

Thank you to everyone who's rated and reviewed this podcast. It's great. Five stars appreciated. One star. Not so much. Don't do it. I want to go on and flame me, which, you know, with more exposure comes more flames, but I like it. I like the fucking fire. So do what you will. Right? That's it. Go check out Maggie. Maggie. I don't know. Do you have a website? If they're if Maggie has a website, it will be posted in this episode. I will get it from a recorded before I asked her. She's the coolest. Go come visit us in the Hudson Valley. School shit going up on here. And just remember, there's there's a lot is a whole wide world of lots of stuff, but you're in control of it. And if that offends you, if that rubs you the wrong way, the fact that you actually exercise ultimate control over your life, keep on digging, keep on plowing, keep on doing what you gots to do until that makes sense. Because there's a lot more. It's liberating. It's not like it's comfortable all the time, but it's liberating. And isn't that what we're looking for? Okay. I don't think I have anything else. That's it for this episode. Thank you for listening. Tune in to the godlike frequency that is Maggie Hazen. Here she is. I didn't have a way to end that. Oh my god. I went to the very end. I usually say without further ado. And then I just said, here she is without further ado.

Here's Maggie Hazen. But now we're talking about God. So the mic is on. The mic is on. The god Mike. It is the god Mike. It is the god Mike. Yeah. I mean, I think at some point in your life, no matter like who you are or where you live in this world, you have thought about the concept of God in some degree without a doubt, you know, because you just look outside and you go, how the heck did that get there? Yeah. Or even if you don't have the thought, you know, someone else has the thought of what God is and you have a relationship to that idea. So that's your point. And everybody has certain degrees of a relationship.

Like there's some people who choose to have a relationship with God. There's some people who maybe believe in God and decide that it's just God's just doing their thing. Just for them. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Or, or, you know, the idea of like a God who's there but not intervening in our lives. There's been passive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On looker. Mm hmm. Objection witness. Yeah. Or, you know, there's a lot of atheists who believe that there is no God in all of the society. Because I know like the fact that like we have consciousness and that we're on a planet that's like, if it's, you know, flung out of orbit, even a hair, all of civilization will die.

Or like an orange. Look at a fucking orange. What the fuck is an orange? This perfect orb of deliciousness that you peel off and perfect things. Like, I know there's like a hippie thought and a sonar thought, but like, what the fuck? And like, continue, continue. Yeah. No, it's, and I think that I think what God is is mystery. Mm hmm. Like the biggest mystery of all that we're not supposed to figure out while we're alive. Can you crack the mystery is the question? I think that's what humans have been trying to do ever since the concept of human or was created or has existed. Would you believe in something where you could empirically prove to yourself that you are God? There is also unity consciousness and a higher level of being that we are not as physical beings, but that we are also God. No, I believe we can become like God, but we can never be God. What if you could empirically prove to yourself that you were? That's not, I'm not saying leap of faith. I don't know how you, I mean, I'm sure there's arguments for it. I don't know that.

Not an argument, not an argument. You know, just to be clear, people could have said to me for infinity time that I'm God and never convinced me because it sounds like fucking nonsense. Just to be clear, it sounds like some totally unachievable state of being as a human that to even presume to do something would be preposterous. I just want to be clear that we're not differing in terms of that. However, if you have the direct experience of that, that's different because that isn't someone telling you something. So that's why when I talk about this stuff, I am quite careful about the terminology I use just because A, I thought I'm that afraid of it. I don't want to seem like a lunatic, but B, I don't want to tread on someone's idea of a concept that's quite powerful. So when I say empirically, what I mean is is that you use a technique and prove to yourself essentially that this I am, this sense of who you are in our head, in your head, right? That is the God of the Old and New Testament. That is the Jesus. You're also still you, which is when the I and I, we spoke about this, the big I and the little I in Rossafarianism, still a reality. And then from there, if that's clicked in and stabilized, not as a preposterous concept, but as a direct experience, that flips reality upside down. Now, a major resistance point, or resistance point I've noticed in this is just to be clear, if one is God, all of the responsibility in your world is yours. Exactly. Literally, not kind of. My question to you is, why would you want to be God? Oh, well, here's my conception of what this reality is. I don't know if this is found in any scripture, but I think scripture is like an esoteric symbolism of what an experience is when we go through all these states. But I've spoken about this briefly, but here's what I think, essentially, people are humans.

So we have God, we have this omnipotent being, before time, before space, before anything. And this being is like, you know, this is great. I love being omnipotent. I love having everything and being everything, but I'm a little bored. I want to do something. So let me start creating some stuff, so it's creating trees and seas and continents and plants and bugs and animals and all of these things. It's like the flannel board in Bible school. Exactly. I don't know what that is, but it sounds just a little full. It's just a green little board. And then your little cutouts you stick on. That's cool. And there's Jesus. This is my board. Yeah, you have a little flannel board kind of tape and paper, tape and paper and pictures of Renee Magritt and Vajrayanogini and Tarot. And then he got some Hilma up there. Oh, I love Hilma. It's that exhibit man. Yeah, changed me. I felt it. Okay. So now we're getting close here. So there is this being.

And then he he or she, yeah, I say that because God is outside of gender. We see that now expressing in our reality, the spectrum, right? It's revealing itself. It's amazing. It's incredible. So there's this being and they go. All right, I'm going to create something special now. Here's these humans and these humans are delightful to this being just like, oh my god, like this is but but but but but they're not real. They're like dolls. You know, like if you're playing with a ninja turtle or whatever it is when you're younger, like it's super fun and your imagination can be incredible, but you still know you're picking up the doll on some level, right? That's always there. So that's not really a living being, right? So God goes, all right, I guess I know what I have to do.

Okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to kill myself and die into all of these human beings. And the game I'm going to play is because I am still God is I wake myself up in every human being. So I remember who I am. So I can unfold this amazing plan to show people that like, holy shit, this is the game. So that's great. That's an amazing narrative. The way again, I think we can perceive this in any scriptural, any not just Western and Christian mysticism or Talmudic or any of this stuff, but from all the mystery traditions and shamanic and indigenous cultures, they're all imaginal acts of the same kind of story of awakening, which we receive reflected in our environment as well with the sun and the moon and all of these things. Like it's not like it's like some crazy thing. It's like a restart every day. There's a new awakening every day. That is specifically what's happening. Like a video game, you get to die and come back alive again, and you get to restart and try the level one more time. So I tweeted about this today about the video game analogy or the allegory and I did a piece about that, actually.

Yeah, it's amazing. This is a very big concept that I think is relatable to a lot of people because of video game culture and just how it's been it's permeated mainstream culture. So even people who like when I was a kid and playing Mario Brothers, like my parents were aware of it, but they didn't get shit really. There's like no is weird. Why is he playing video games all the time? Like man, this is bad for him. The video game allegory works like from an RPG sense. However, what I try to communicate as much as possible is that there are infinite games, there are infinite consoles. If the skill isn't to get amazing at just one game on one good console, it's to be able to play any game and play it effectively and the best way possible. So again, what I think this implies and what's been a lived experience for me is rather than saying, Hey, I'm God, I'm Jesus Christ and like some weird kind of ego trip like delusion game is just to say, Okay, let's say I am God. Let's just go with this weird experiment. I'm not going to get struck down. I'm not going to be fuck myself or other people over. If this is true, what would I do with omnipotence? What would I do? And I think as best as I can tell, if used lovingly if that technique I gave is used lovingly, you just make your life internally the best it can be that gets expressed outwardly.

Thereby, everyone else's life gets the best it can possibly be. And then we start making this physical reality or reflection of everyone's internal state, which is balanced, harmonious, state you were referring to as stabilizing the answered prayer, letting it unfold. Right. Right. Right. I'm talking about heaven, the concept of heaven. That that would be it. That would be it. That harmonious living together, we're all naked again. Nothing that we all of our desires don't turn negative to it's in some some way if you have too much of it or whatnot. Yeah. Yeah. Right. The place of like full harmony, utopia. I mean, that's what we've been after. What do you think? Do you think we're moving to that in this world? Or do you think that's a state that's outside of this world?

I think that's a state that's outside of this world. Oh, outside in what sense? You mean after death? But yeah, I think so. Okay. I mean, that's that I mean, again, that's what I've grown up to believe and have, you know, settled with that as being something that like, I believe this is true. Do you think you have experienced the feeling of heaven on earth at any point during your life, even if just a glimpse? Oh, yeah. The window. The window, the glimpse that it's like the window. It's that's what I actually tattled my thesis in grad school, the already but not yet. Okay. Yeah. The window like and I see like the new window is the TV monitor, right, where we're watching videos of you know, there's so many like apocalyptic and like utopian movies out now, like in the sci-fi genre, it's like incredible like multiplied in the past like 10 years. It has to be. I think there's like a consciousness around us everywhere of like some sort of impending restart.

Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Well, I got chills. Yeah, you did. You should because that is 100% accurate. And I think what's happening like is we're getting more and more glimpses into what the possibilities of heaven would be like. Oh, I totally agree. But right. Like there are certain things that go can't go into heaven, right? Yeah, it's true. Do you know what those things are? Well, the bad stuff. Yes. Do you think like fear, fear, doubt, anxiety, depression, worry. And that so when I have experienced moments of heaven is when I'm praying for people, when I'm in a group setting where our focus is really on edification of one another, uplifting one another. Yes. And then our focus is also like on whatever God is, right, this mystery beyond imagination, this God that is like love. Yes, we're agreeing on all of this. You know, God is mystery, God is love. Those are my two big. Totally. Things, you know, but there's also parts that stuff that I grew up with that's like God is wrath. And I'm like, Oh, God is wrath.

How do we talk? Anyways, that's another. No, wrath is important. That's what I guess. Maybe that's the yang yin and the yang sort of thing, right? So like in all of anyways, so like when I'm praying for people, right? And in a group, like that's when I've experienced like this moment of heaven. My body sometimes gets really hot and I will touch somebody. You'll feel it. I'll feel it and I'll get a prophetic vision of their life. And we'll be like, that's so true. An internal vision. Yeah. What maybe one might call imagination. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're talking about similar such as have very different terminology. I think we're talking about the exact same thing. I think the only difference that I can see right now, and this is I'm so happy that we disagree on this, because I'm sure a lot of people think about this, is that I'm being kind of a ballsy-ass motherfucker and saying, hey, I believe that I'm God and I believe everyone is God and I believe everyone has that power and that this mystery, while I do agree, there are facets that are unknowable to our conscious mind on an unconscious level are directly experienced. Yeah. And this reset that you're referring to happens when we go to sleep and reset into this unconscious, what I now refer to as higher dimensional worlds. Yeah. Now here is why I brought up the heaven thing is what you're describing is what I've experienced for most of my life. I get chills. I get the flashes. I've seen miracles. I've known I've been the vessel for miracles at time. Yeah. It's a spiritual gift in this.

It's a spiritual gift. Yeah. And a prophetic you get the visions and I didn't know what these were, I've heard the boy, all these things, you know, which could be diagnosed as mental illness in some people if they didn't have the support system or inner stability to hone it. But we were describing sounds like what I believe it's Japanese Buddhist call Satori and Gen and Kencho. Kencho is glimpses, glimpses of the real reality, glimpses of true enlightenment, glimpses of heaven. Satori is instant enlightenment and you stay there and you do not come back down unless it's a choice because you need to operate on that plane for whatever it is. That's like what's set out to be sort of achieved in some way. Yes. Maggie, here is my prediction. It's a pretty bold one. This transition that you feel coming up that I've spoken about now with not by me bringing it up, but by them feeling it and then talking about it with me is imminent. It is like months away at this point we're recording in September of 2019. The awareness of how this world comes into being in reality is going to be experienced by a relatively large percentage of the population. This technique that I referred to earlier is always taking place. Our assumptions and our beliefs create our individual reality. When we think of other people, we acknowledge that in a dualistic world they are other people, but on another level everyone is you pushed out. Every relationship is an opportunity for you to learn something about yourself. You are setting it up to learn something so is the other person. It's this wonderful interplay of things and that kind of unity consciousness doing this dance of pretending to be duality I think is propelled and upheld by what you're referring to, which is love, mystery, God, and that dwells within. That's kind of what I have directly experienced. I think the road to realization for this from my own experience, I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but I think it is, is that you use those desires. You use those things that are served up to prove this to yourself. You build the ladder of faith. That's been my direct experience lately. I since I stopped believing in an external God in any way, what I refer to now is the golden calf, any external God, and it's not that I don't believe in Buddha Krishna, well, testament God, even Jesus as a historical figure, I actually do, but I recognize my internal state of consciousness is the proof of like that's what creates these things and makes them real.

The signs that follow the synchronicities that follow the felt feeling that you're on the right track, that sense of equanimity, that sense of balance that you're referring to, which to me is essentially if you need a compass during all of these inner travels, that's it. That's the thing because you can get to these states of realization. These are the crazy people on the streets. These are the people who have breakdowns. You can get to these same realizations, but if you don't have that inner stability, you do done so. And I'm sure you've seen that in your organization too, so what has been kind of the foundation stone of your conception of how this world works, and then what God is, or what the generative force is? I'm curious, because you're teaching it bard. I love your beliefs, and I love your faith and love in God, but I'm curious how do you how did you get to your current metaphysical conception of where you're at? What led there?

Oh my God, I feel like that's a joke. What do you think this podcast is? Maggie, what do you think this is? I mean, how did I get to the, okay, can you rephrase it? Yeah, so like the metaphysical reality, like what you believe, you believe that God is some operative metaphysical love mystery that we have a relationship with that if used lovingly and ethically delivers essentially anything we feel in our heart? Is that correct? It doesn't necessarily always deliver anything that's in our heart. True. How would you describe the process? Of God, of like believing in God, and essentially how would I describe the process? I think there's a huge, I mean, I think it's relative to my own story and my own life.

Your direct experience. Right, right, and I think what does that look like? That's what I'm asking. Yeah, I mean, I grew up in a family with a father who was a like a theologian, I guess, but also more into what is called apologetics, like defending the faith, kind of what is the evidence that proves Christianity is real outside of a lot of the, what people would call it, the spiritual, you know, spectrum or the incongruity, you know, he's sort of a man of the facts. And he actually came to his faith by himself, like that's awesome. Yeah, that's the only way to do it. Yeah, yeah, and so I kind of grew up with it and I, you know, grew up going into like Sunday school where you're learning the stories, right? And I think this is where like Joseph Campbell and a lot of this is like, it's all about stories and like the Epic of Gilgamesh is a same similar to like the same creation myth. I do believe that Genesis is sort of like this myth, you know, because you could look at the texts from all of those different, from that time period, carbon data, you know, whatever was written on and they're all kind of from a relatively similar time period where the creation stories are all very intertwined with each other.

Absolutely. So I don't know if I believe in a literal, like in the Christian Old Testament, right? It's like the bio, you know, literal seven days, you know, there's all these like debates, like was it seven days ago created? Anyways, I don't, to me, it's irrelevant. Like cool. But so I kind of grew up on like, I guess you would call like a normal Christian, like church path. And I even went to a conservative undergrad called the Bible Institute of Los Angeles. And I, you know, I had always like sort of like question different pathways or whatnot. But like all my friends were at church, I had a lot of, you know, it's it's it became cultural, like it was a community thing. And it became like this cultural thing. And you believe whatever your culture agrees upon is valuable, right? Of course.

So like, I think for me, I started to question a little bit of this aspect of faith where people around me who had also grown up in in a church context, an environment believed certain like truths about the Bible, like love your neighbor. We would study the Bible, you know, there's a lot of great like spiritual teaching that like has really helped my life, you know, don't it's good stuff. But when it came to the stuff that was like, Jesus raised this dead person, or they were all praying in tongues, or like the loaves, the loaves and the fishes were miraculously divided, right? And like there was enough for everybody. Yes. That sort of stuff. That's where a lot of like people in my church community that I grew up with didn't fully understand. And I was I was like, okay, well, if I believe in this God, that's like big and huge and can do incredible things that are beyond my understanding. Yeah.

And if I have faith, like God can do that. Yes. Yes. That was your perspective, right? Yeah. 100% agree. But it was sort of like ignored in the Bible, like in Bible school, like we didn't talk about like that, like we believe that that's what happened at the time, but it doesn't happen now. It doesn't happen now. Oh, no, it's just some historical accounts. That's in the past. And then I can't encounter the charismatic church, which is like, there's this whole history of the charismatic section of Christianity, like, you know, in Christianity, there's so many different sects, right? Of course, it's the same amount, right? It's a hugely profound and vast and essentially endless spiritual well. Yes. Exactly. And like in Southern California, in particular, I guess, we're speaking about wells. There's a huge well of the Holy Spirit is what we call it, because, you know, there's God, Jesus, and then the Holy Spirit, which is the mystery for us, right? But like, yes, yes. Does all of God's bidding, essentially? Yes. Yes. Yes. I call that feeling. Yeah.

And and like in Southern California, like John Wimber's church in the vineyard, there was this, what we call like the outpouring of the Holy Spirit where signs and wonders were being seen. And then we feel like in the land in Southern California, there's a huge well of like something, you know, a prophetic force there. And I went to a Korean church. So cool. Just randomly when I was in college, the group of friends, because I got word on the street that there was some spirit stuff happening. I was like, I don't even know what this is, you know, but I'm curious. And I have believed it my whole life. So I'm going to give it a shot. So there was this other, there was this prophetess, her name was Elsaby, or so I can't remember her name, but she was from South Africa. And she was at this Korean church. She had a cool accent. Yeah, she did. That's the best. Listen, don't trust any, what was he a prophetess? I guess. Yeah, don't trust any prophetess unless they have an accent. Exactly. And granted my experience growing up in the church was like, what? Like, this is the weird part of it that we never talked about because it was weird.

Which can we, I would just like to say, is the heart of Christianity? It is supposed to literally like, you're not supposed to just believe in little dinky things. Exactly. Jesus, the smallest mustard seed can hurl a mountain in Tennessee. So do you know the story? Okay. So that's a famous, famous thing. I think it's in this book. I'll give you a Neville Goddard talks about it as the woman, the old woman who's told that, you know, if you have the faith of a mustard seed, you can move this mountain and she goes, all right. So she goes to sleep at night, wakes up in the morning, looks out the window in the mountains there and she goes, see, I told you, that story is meant to emphasize that she did not have the faith of a mustard seed at all. Because if you use the technique, if you prayed like you prayed, and you have that faith, then mountains fucking gone. And you can look at it a little amount. If you want to, yeah, my general contention now is do not look at anything literally look at everything symbolically, look at everything metaphorically, everything. And you start to understand what you really start to. Yeah, the metaphor, metaphorical understandings are like really helpful. Very. But back to my story. So I went to this, like this service, I guess, it was like Wednesday night or something. Yeah. And else we was getting a lot of these like words, whatever. So I was in the room, like, I was a minority in the room, which was kind of, it was amazing. Because I feel like I get a whole different cultural experience, right, on top of like, you know, because there's like white Christianity, essentially, like, which is like this whole part, a huge part of the world. And then like, but there's so many different, I've been to Africa, yeah, totally different, totally different, right? Same God, same concept of God, same text, but totally different experience. Yes. So I also be was like, giving a message, I don't even remember what the message was. And then at the end, she was like, if you feel this call or this pull or this like tug that like this word that I gave to you resounded, and you feel called and anointed and you have a destiny that's like supposed like that, that you have a prophetic call on your life, come forward. And I was like, as she was saying this out of body experience, I'm in tears. Yes.

Like, I chill with my body. I'm like, what is going on? Goosebumps everywhere. Like, I went forward and there was a few other people in the room. And she started like praying over me, like, put her hand on my forehead. And I did the, the crazy Christian charismatic thing, like, fell over. Yeah. You know, like, blacked out. And like, I was like, I go back to the experience all the time, I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like a rational person in college, you know, like, I don't feel insane in any way. You're not. I know you. Yeah. I'm happy to say I teach college. You're good. Anyways, so like, I'm on the ground and like, I wake up and I'm like crying and I feel like this renewal.

And then they're like, I remember another voice, somebody praying over me, another woman in the room. And she was really prophetic. And she was like, you're a golden eagle that's supposed to go to heaven, receive golden feathers of prophecy to deliver, deliver to nations. And I was like, that's cool. And at the time, I was like, I have this mantle now. I have this anointing is what we call it. Yeah, to do something. And then I was able to start praying in tongues. Nice. It was weird. I like, I remember sitting in the corner with my friend who had taken me there. And she was also happening. You look in the room and everybody's crying. What does it feel like when you're praying in tongues?

What's going on internally? I'm not as concerned as the external. I'm going to disregard that not because I think it's weird. I think it's fucking awesome. What does it internally feel like when you're praying in tongues? It feels like I'm like, there's a particular thing that I'm focused on. What is it? Imagine, like, it's an image or feeling? It's a feeling. It's like, there's like, this like, you know, like, if I'm praying on your behalf, like, if I'm praying for you, Noah, and like, I want to see something awesome happen in your life, I'm going to be like, God in my head and then probably start praying in English over you and then start praying in tongues or like under my breath.

And then I'll be like, you know, just it would be like some in some way, like channeling whatever God's desire would be for you. Oh, be careful if you do it for me. It's going to feel really good. Yeah, I'll tell you, um, that's fucking amazing. The way I describe what I think you're doing, and I want to hear more specifically about what you're doing, but just so I can pause here because some people might not understand what you're, you're talking about here is you're locking on to a feeling, right? Yeah, you're praying for me. You want God's plan to be delivered. It's like, I don't have to. Yeah, just to be clear, and this is important for everyone again, the means you're not thinking about the means. Are you? It's the feeling. Yeah, you may get a flash or a vision of something. Sure. But the means are less important than the feeling of God's plan being delivered. Yeah, it's like, I know something's coming through. You know it. You assume it. You appropriate the state of and then I feel it like so strongly. Yeah. Yeah. So that's essentially all of these techniques I'm talking about constantly. That's it. That's the whole technique.

It's all the other stuff is just window dressing to get people to accept that what you say praying in tongues. That's it. That literally creates everything all the time. If you add the visual or audio component and drill down, I get a lot of pictures for people. You'll get pictures. Pictures and dreams. Yeah. I want you to try something if you're open to it when you're doing this in the future for yourself or other people. Direct the picture, conceive of the picture and image first before and then lock into the feeling. Now, if you do that, I found when someone asked me for something, if it's so improbable and I can feel that they know it's improbable, I cannot lock onto that the same way. There's sometimes you can overcome it if you want, but I do feel that sometimes people want to test this in some magic power type of way. So they'll ask for billions of dollars. You can tell that's not their real desire. I think there's something to be said about your ability to naturally summon forth. You let it go. It's not you. You just let God work through you. We're talking about the exact same thing. We totally are. I believe that anybody can talk to God. Anyone can. You don't have to be like a Christian or any sort of faith tradition. That's the cool thing about God. This force that really wants a relationship.

Yeah. It wants you to talk to it. It's the best. Yeah. It's so cool. I believe that anybody can know God and experience God. It's probably one of the most joyous things I've ever experienced in my entire life. Also, when you meet somebody else who believes the same thing. As far as I can tell, one of the key pillars of being a human being is recognizing and waking up to that because it changes what is seen as the job initial conception of what the world is as just things being thrown at you and like, "What the fuck? Why are you doing this?" That's what what we talk about sometimes is seasons. If you don't know who Job is, Job is this man and the Old Testament who all of these terrible things came to him. He lost all of his kids, his land, his wife. It just had nothing else, rats. The idea of what I grew up believing is there's a lesson in that. There's something to be learned. Sometimes there are moments in my life where I'm like, "The light's on."

I'm like, "I can hear God." I'm overwhelmed with joy all the time and it feels great. There are times when I'm in the season which we call the dark night of the soul where nothing seems to be like happening. I'm just alone. You lost the contact. The existential, where did you go? And you're like, "God, I don't want to hear you again." I want to intercede and I get it, but where are you? Do you have any idea of why that happens? I have some ideas. I don't know. So, I'm sure you've noticed that sometimes you consciously will or want something and then it doesn't happen. Everyone is somewhat familiar with this phenomenon in life. It's the opposite of wanting something and thinking of it and feeling that you're missing it actually reinforces the state. It's a repellent to the thing you want consciously, but when you sift down into your talking in tongues or you go to your unconscious or you go to your imagination, the deepest aspects of you that you hit every night in sleep, that's the opposite. That is not so many things, something towards you. It's creating it and allowing it to unfold. I have found that for whether it's an emotionally painful, psychologically traumatic, or spiritually dark night of the soul type of experience, it's almost always related. This is why, again, it brings up our point of the slight disagreement is you will never have another dark night of the soul if you fully believe and experience God not as external ever. You don't lose it. It's what I call the stabilizing factor.

It's the Jesus Christ moment. It's the moment of waking up and being like, "Jesus Christ, holy shit." Meaning God as external or God's in me. He is, he, she, they, whatever it is, that is. I take it a step further and say, not only has God in me, I experience God in my own mind all of the time. When it happened to me the first time it was overwhelming, it like blue fuses and I couldn't communicate and you seemed like a loony too. The difference is this time I did it in, I got shot to the top of Space Mountain before. This happens, I think, with a lot of people who are diagnosed as bipolarists, gets a frantic or some mental illness. You get shot to the top of Space Mountain. You're like, "What the fuck is going on? This is incredible. What the fuck?" And then you come crashing back down because you're like, "I don't know how that happened." The way I describe it this time is you get all your gear together, you get all your hiking equipment, you go, "I'm going to climb that mountain." You go around the mountain, you go around it, you go around it. There's icy parts, there's treacherous parts, there's all these scary things, but you're going up the mountain. You're going up the mountain. You finally fucking get there. You know exactly how you got up there. Furthermore, you can go back down whenever you want. So if you need to communicate with someone and you don't want to just talk about Jesus Christ and unconditional love and all of these metaphysical things, you can just relate it to physiologically and neurotransmitters and quantum physics and all these things and speak in an intelligible way that people are like, "Oh, okay, that makes sense." My direct experience is that God lives within me and the sense of I am in my head. I trust, I love, I love, love, love because I love God. And I know and trust myself to distinguish between an ego desire and a divine desire that's served up. And if you're having trouble distinguishing, pursue them and see what falls off and see what actually comes. And then those are your real desires and the other ones are maybe just little quick delusion trips that we take. I also going back to why does the dark night of this will happen and sometimes it's your own cloud nine?

I think what you described as the mountain analogy, when you're sometimes on top of a mountain and you're so close to God and you're like, "Ah, nothing else." But then you come back down and you're like, "I want to tell everybody." But then you're stuck in that world for a long time. So whatever world or context that is, if I'm in a community that's also on cloud nine, and those are my friends, those are everybody I'm with all the time. There's a place in Northern California called Bethel where that's the top of the mountain. Everyone's in the same wavelength. They're tuning into the same bridge.

They're getting gold dust on their hands and they're worshiping God all the time. It's insane. Part of my call, I was in that for a while. It just sounds kind of awesome. It's kind of amazing. You should go to Bethel. I kind of want to. Does it sounds like what I'm into? Or yeah, it's there. But then God's like, "Okay, Maggie, you're also called to not always be on the mountain. You're supposed to bring that mountain to other people." You're in prisons. Yeah. I'm starting a whole educational project, art studio, art project, inside of a women's correctional facility nearby. So this is how I think... Listen.

You can get into the dark night because I think if you spend too much time there and you're not going back up or going up back up or being in the community with people that understand you, you need to get stuck. Right. Well, I think what happens to people is if you get too high up or too low, you get detached from the interconnectedness of the world and it's easy to like... Let's say you wake up to the fact that you're God or you just have this enlightenment and feeling flow all the time or whatever it is, you can get a pull away from the circumstances and reality of this life. "Oh, my imagination creates reality. This world isn't real." No, that's not true. Even if this is a dream, we're here. You have to bear witness to things like prison populations, poverty, ecological impact. We don't want to get detached and be like, "Hey, you're God." And be like, "I'm just going to have a yacht and fuck off and do nothing." Now, just to be clear, I want to be clear about what I'm talking about here. When I say God, I'm talking about a neutral, unconscious, impersonal, non-selective principle. We are the conscious, selective, personal principle.

So when God or the unconscious hears something and it says, "You know, I want so and so to be unhappy or I just want a lot of money, I don't care about my happiness," delivered, delivered. It's not this like, the benevolence comes from our aspirations and intentions with all of these things. So part of that is recognizing the outside world and saying, "Hey, like, there's shit going on. When I wake up to my true power, when I can start blessing people and delivering things and healing people," like, "I need to make sure I'm doing that for everyone around me." Like, you start with yourself. You get 100% locked up. You're balanced. You're great. You're feeling fucking wonderful all the time. You're sure that's how it really is. It's not a delusion. Then you go, "All right, now what do we do? How do we start healing the outside world?" Which again, is just a reflection.

If you believe everyone is God, you want to heal all aspects of God. So yeah, I do think that this is like, we're talking about the dark night of the soul. It tends to be when you get too far in one direction, too exalted with yourself, the limited version of yourself who's maybe using a spiritual power or something, or you get so disconnected from the spiritual, high aspect of yourself that you're just totally in darkness and have no fucking idea what's going on. Yeah, exactly. So it's like you're either like Icarus and you're flying way too close to the sun. Right. Icarus is exactly who I was thinking of when you said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or you're like, "What's the opposite?" I guess. Like yeah, when you're when you're stuck so much in a in the place that's like a negative, like a negative environment. I heard about Plato's cave. Yeah. Yeah. That's the opposite to me. It's like you're in a cave and you don't even know you're in a cave and you can't understand how to get out of it because you're not even aware you're of that's any psychological state you're stuck in. And that's like fear. That's like, of course. You don't want to get out of the cave because you don't know what's on the outside of that. Of course. Like survival. That's what Plato gave us the safe space. Yeah. So if you're not getting out there and taking a few risks, but sometimes you can take too many risks and like fly as far as high as you can. You're like, "Nothing can defeat me."

Fearlessness. Nothing can defeat me. So maybe fear is like what we're talking about in some way. It is. Fear is a thing that prevents people from realizing who they are because again, the fear of the responsibility of being in complete control of everything you experience in this world is usually enough to be to prevent people from even entertaining that thought, let alone pursuing it. Right. If however, you dare to fucking play with fire and want to be Prometheus and even knowing the myth of how it ends, do it. I think you'll find empirically and through direct experience that that is the truth. And I think when we start thinking about fear, what comes up naturally for a lot of people is death and punishment and pain and retribution and horrible things. And I think what's helped me tremendously is rather than thinking of physical death, which is scary. I don't want to be psychicly killing yourself. Psychically killing limited versions of you that have fear and getting used to that feeling is very powerful. So when I start thinking about, you know, death or playing with fire and Prometheus being tortured, I don't really think of it necessarily as like some horrible, be careful, watch out, don't play with fire. I think it's more like, you know what, the version of you that does play with fire is going to be fucking destroyed. Yeah, I remember growing up that we would use, you know, analogy, like, burn away anything that is, you know, not of you, God, you know, my, you know, like Michelangelo, yeah, put away, put away, just reveal what's actually there. Just please. Yeah, that's, that's how all this shit works. It's pretty out there.

What are some other things that you've prayed for for yourself or other people that you've seen? I'm sure like, now I know who you are. Now I get it. Like, what are you doing out there in the world? You're doing stuff. I'm doing stuff. You must know it. You must know it. I mean, that's how it works. You have to know it on some level. You don't need to know the means, but the end is what you pray for. Yeah. I mean, other crazy stuff. I mean, I haven't seen any like crazy like miracles and I haven't been intentionally like going, God, you know, I used to be kind of obsessed to be like, God, like, show me the next miracle.

Like, let me see. Yeah. That's different, though. Yeah. That's externally looking for signs. I think that's spoken about in one of somewhere in the New Testament is you don't, I think they're actually referred to as Jews, which again, everything is symbolically meant. And I believe Neville Goddard described Jews. Greeks are the ones who look for wisdom to follow. Jews are the ones who look for symbols. They're not wisdom and symbols aren't explicitly said, but there's a passage in the New Testament that's referring to that. And I caution against looking for symbols and signs as confirmation as opposed to having internal confirmation and then naturally allowing those things to unfold. Right. Right. That to me is a big difference because if you are constantly looking for confirmation, you may develop a relationship where you trip yourself up when it's not happening the time you thought it should have happened. And I've experienced that a lot. And that is a real easy way to collapse back. You can get so caught up in like the sign, like everything becomes like a sign, right? Yeah, like that, that like license plate and then like that street sign. And you know, there's even like sometimes like people are like reading into that. I've, I've kind of done that as well. It's because it's true. Just yeah. Let me break this down two ways. That is actually what's happening. All of those, when I say this life is a symphony of synchronicities, I mean, at all times, you, the big eye is constantly trying to communicate that this story is you. Yeah, always license plates, people, phone calls, meetings, trains, people you sit next to, it's always shouting at you. Most of us are doing the anti Joseph Campbell recommendation, which is like, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. But that's why I've gotten big into things originally we're talking about like astrology and tarot because and the Yichang because they are divinatory oracles that will quickly reveal to you what you're putting out there and can get you very much quickly in tune with these deeper aspects of yourself. So then when you start to experience God, you develop a very intimate relationship.

Yeah. And then actually, I think that the tools for like astrology, tarot, almost become obsolete once you have a deeper relationship with God, right? Like they do. Like in the Bible, it sort of talks about warning signs about using all of that too much because you almost become dependent on it. That's that's exactly rather than listening directly to the voice of God, whatever, you know, which is you. That's what I always say that that's I use these things. So I constantly am shifting shifting back and forth between unity consciousness and dualistic consciousness. Dualistic consciousness doesn't just incorporate the internal sense of I as Noah what a nebulous concept it encompasses encompasses any any state of consciousness that's dualistic.

So in Buddhist terms in the six realms, that's anything from like the gods down to the hell beings, right? So any dualistic, you know, conception of anything is a state that I can move through. But when you're moving through the unity states, it's very, very different. You move beyond concepts of right and wrong, good and evil, and you move out of the narrative of Eden and Adam and Eve, and you move into the big I am, which I again refer to. If we're talking about like the big unity consciousness, which we don't experience as individuals, it is this unconditioned I am. It's that when you're going in at night into that liminal boundary, it's the space around you that is allowing your desire and imaginal act to function and think that's what I'm referring to. That's the job in the, you know, Jehovah. It's this huge fucking orb of just awareness that, you know, I think is all of us. And that that's a very awareness, I think awareness. That's what it is. It's unconditioned awareness. There's no conditions, unconditioned. And that is the ground or space in which we plant our desires, feel them, which you have communicated about as well as anyone I've heard, and then allow them to unfold. Yeah. That's prayer in my mind. Yeah.

That's the definition. Yeah. And there have been times and like, this is translated into all of my studio practice, right? Can you talk about your art? Like, no, like in grad school, I was like, why am I so obsessed with superheroes? Right? Oh, God. Do you know why? Because I'm like, I grew up with the concept of God being all powerful, all knowing, and I just really wanted to fly as a kid, right? Like, and then I began to question like philosophically, like, why do we all have this innate instinct, like, to be more than our bodies? What do you think? Because we have souls that are supernatural. Right. Right. It's actually, it's true. That's why we make, that's why we make fictions about it. That's why we have Marvel comics and DC comics. Yeah.

That's why, like, they're the biggest, that's why right now, just look in popular media, superhero movies, and like apocalyptic sci-fi narratives. Yeah. Those are the two most popular things. And those are all biblical. They're all biblical. And I've been, you probably don't know this, but the past couple of episodes, I've been interpreting biblical scripture. So I just did the daughters of Zolephahad. Do you know that? See, there's, I mean, there's so much in the Bible, I don't even know. So I learned this. I, and I went to Bible school. Yeah. And I didn't know shit about it, but I, I noticed when things get thrust upon me, I can hear it and so I'll research it. So this was brought up to me in the context of that God is a feminist. And I was getting this from a Hasidic person who a lot in their culture is not very free for women. So I found this very interesting. So the story is this, is that there's this guy, Zolephahad, and he is on the Sabbath. And the Sabbath is this time you're not supposed to be doing anything. And he is like, I got to pick up these sticks, literally, I got to pick up these sticks.

And they're like, dude, don't do it. Like don't pick up these sticks. It's not a good, it's a Sabbath, you're not supposed to do it. It's like, nah, I'm going to do it. So he does it. And they're like, dude, like, we have to kill you now. You picked up these sticks and the punishment for doing anything on Sabbath is you're going to be killed. So he's killed. And he has five daughters, no sons. And they're just about to enter the promised land. And the daughters are like, what the fuck? Like, this is some bullshit, like, because they don't have any inheritance rights, they're going to be like basically like, just mendicants, like, don't know what's going on. So they go to the priest, the rabbi, and the rapper's like, this is beyond my pay grade, like, I don't know how to do this.

So eventually they get up to Moses. And Moses is like, okay, this is a big problem. I'm going to go to God. And so they go to God, he goes to God. And he's like, God, what do we do? You know, this guy picked up sticks. They told him not to. He did. And now his daughters are in this bad position. And God goes, okay, you know what, give them the land. They deserve the land. So this is, this guy was saying God is a feminist. So I was batting around this story. And like, that's interesting. That's clearly the overt meaning of it. But what is it really going on? So then I started looking at stuff metaphorically and symbolically, and I'm like, Oh, I think I fucking get this.

And what it is is the left ahead, which translates to dark shadow in Hebrew, is the limited version of ourselves that carries around fear. It's the limited version of ourselves that believes that we don't have those superhero powers that we don't have any real power or anything to do magic or anything. And we want to discover that. We want to go pick up those sticks and figure out maybe maybe we do. And everyone and ourselves and our heads, but everyone else is like, no, I don't do it. Don't dare to do that. You this is how life is. This is how life works. Don't do it. And you go, you know, I think I want to. I think I really want to do this. So you do it. And when you do it, and you discover what picking up sticks really is who you really are, you're killed. You're totally dead. But how do the daughters? This is how I figured out what this actually meant is the daughters. What are the daughters? There's five of them. Whenever there's five in anything in the Bible, just immediately try to put in your five senses, because that almost always is what they're trying to tell you. So the daughters are like, Hey, we want to go to the promised land too.

Why can't we go to the promised land? The promised land is this free state of being that you can experience and the senses want to experience too. It's go great if you experience it up here in your head. But if it's not in this world, that's kind of bullshit. So they go to what there was a physical place, right? There was a business that's what right Jerusalem. Yeah. Right. Israel. Israel. My interpretation is this is all Israel. This is all Zion. This is all Babylon. It's whatever you make it. But there's these five senses that want to experience this too, not just conceptually be like, that's great. That's great. God, all that. But they want to experience it in this world. So they go to Moses. Moses represents what you referred to. And we're talking about with the tongues, the feeling, the feeling aspects that goes to unconditioned awareness, God, the feeling and says, Hello, like, can these senses get some fun? They didn't do anything like, can we just let it happen? And God goes, you know what? Absolutely. Boom.

Feeling goes back. Tells the senses you got it. Senses go great. We don't have to worry about it anymore. Our prayers are answered. They enter the promised land. Right. Almost everything in the Bible or the Damapata or any of this stuff can be looked at through the ends of the lens rather of, I say the ends, there's a Freudian slip, the lens of the end. And it always conforms to how this reality is created. Yeah. And art in particular and media is constantly reflecting back the collective unconscious and state of consciousness, which is, it's no surprising that you've been noticing the superhero and apocalyptic and the apocalyptic just to be clear. My conception of it is everyone. People may think it's ecological disaster. People may think it's our society going to hell in a handbasket. But what it really is, it's a collective psychic death that is imminent. Yeah. Like the way we look at reality is about to change completely. Yeah. Yeah.

And I believe for some reason, I've always said this, and I don't know where it's come from it. I used to like kind of speak public, I used to kind of like preach a little bit. Yeah. Fuck yeah. And it was like, always like, I'd always say this and I don't know what it's rooted, but like it has to get worse before it gets better for some reason. We have to purge. There is something that's gonna like, and like, that's kind of how I interpret like my favorite book ever, like the book of Revelation, which is the weirdest thing ever when you did it. What's your favorite quote from the book of. Well, I don't know if I have like a favorite quote, but I remember like these like creatures that are like, I picture them so vividly in my mind, they have eyes all over their bodies and like crazy wings and they're described. And their whole goal is to sit in the throne room with God and like, say holy, holy, holy all day. Like their entire job is to like from every angle, the whole glory. What a metaphor. That's really cool. And that's all that that's their like job.

Where are those beings, I believe? What? I think where everything I look at, again, I look at literally every character and figure in the Bible as us. So the God is the unconditioned awareness and the beings with the eyes everywhere is the fragmented consciousness. You me constantly looking and reflecting back saying, holy, holy shit, holy shit, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ. But why why I bring up Revelation to is that's where all of the that's where the apocalyptic imagery is. Like this guy, one of Jesus's disciples, John is sitting on an island called Patmos and he gets a vision. And right? And like the whole is this whole epic story of this vision of like the plagues and the world ending and like the saved like like, but then then like all of the theologians go get all technical about it too. Like the pre trip, post trip, are you like, it gets weird, but like, I like to look at it, like a larger picture. Yeah, the panorama, the panorama of it, which like in every biblical text or not or any like religious text, for instance, I feel like there is some sort of apocalypse that would like happen in some way. Because to me, it refers to the apocalyptic state of limited consciousness dying. And yeah, there is something interesting about that. Like, I don't know if it like some maybe everything's leading towards some ultimate renewal.

Yeah, you die. Yeah. I'm telling you, as crazy as this sounds, I have died. Probably a hundred times in the past four months. And I don't mean like, I'm like, it's like, you're slinging my throat or anything, but like, go look up a picture of Kali, go think about a part of yourself that you want to be destroyed and obliterated and let it go. And then feel like a different person and see the difference in your life. That's killing yourself. Yeah. It's like a continuous like renewal or like rebirth. That's why I want to work in the prison. That's why it's because you can teach. You know, you can there's sort of like, I think prison itself should be rehabilitation as a center for rebirth, not condemnation. Well, do you, I have this thing I also lifted from Neville Goddard, which is a very heady metaphysical principle. But when I firmly believe in it, and changed my relationship to external reality, which is, whatever you condemn, you eventually become.

That is sound so stupidly wrong. If you look at it through the object. Because you're putting all your mind into it. That's right. Thinking about it all the time. In the same token, when you caught you contemplate an ideal, you become it by falling in love with it. It's the exact same principle at play. And if you want to break a spell of condemnation and hatred and a system that is just built on that, you have to resist the urge to condemn it and have to figure out what you can inject in the situation to alchemically turn it into the thing you want to see, which is exactly what you need to do. You go right into the prisons. You started with the people in there. You let them get the power to understand how this shit works. You let them change it from the inside out. And then all of a sudden, all these people with the money on the outside who think they're going to change everything, you know, they just have to be the vessels for allowing it to come out. Exactly. Good plan, Maggie. Yeah. Good plan. That's why strategy. And I get it. So in tune, you get it. I totally fucking get it. Trust me. I'm telling you that.

Don't give away my strategy. Come on. Now they all know. What is it? Barnabas, the thief. Is that what it is, is Barabbas. Barabbas are free, Jesus. Yes. Yes. Yes. Barabbas is the limited version of yourself. You need to open the cages, let it run out. Jesus is the awakened version of everything. And that is a good thing. Yeah. Hold on to it. And as you were talking, I wanted to look back to one thing, I remember being, you were, you talked about Moses, which, and then the Old Testament versus the New Testament Holy Spirit. Yeah. Which is like, there was an anointed prophet and God only spoke to one prophet, like Moses, and then delivered the messages to everybody else. So the one's feeling center, I guess you'd call it, of like a community. Yes. But, but in the New Testament, what Jesus died and came back was like the releasing of the Holy Spirit to everyone. It's a consciousness.

So both of them point to the same psychological realization, again, that the I am and the sense of I am is the real God. The beauty of the New Testament is that the personification of Jesus is also useful as an overt tool, but symbolically literally taps into the real truth of every mystic tradition, which is everyone can do this. There is literally, this is accessible to everyone at all times. There are no limitations, no matter what is going on, that is a fact of everything. And this is in every single tradition. There is some representative, whether it's a guru or a deity. And that's really important because you don't want to, the mediation that happened with the priest class over the last 2000 years was, you know, people will call it a travesty. I would say it's part of an unfolding plan that maybe led to undue suffering, of course, but that needs to be dispelled pretty heavily. Like I keep referring to it as the age of the guru is dying.

It's going to be dead in three months as best as I can tell. And what that means is you're your own guru. You teach yourself this. You can get a little tip from someone who maybe learned some things. You can hear someone on a podcast talk about God and get some ideas, but this is always a ladder and a mountain you scale by yourself. And the reason you do it is not because it's like some fucked up trick or hard thing that you, because if it wasn't like that, you would never believe it fully. There'd always be this little piece of doubt. Like, I don't know. Like, maybe it wasn't like maybe, maybe that's not true. And you want to eliminate that because then you can live from that state of constantly be praying. Like that's the point. Because then think of how effective you are as a healer. Like the people in the watchtower, there was this analogy in the Bible where it's about the watchers. There's multiple prophetic voices who are sitting on the watchtower to watch when, because Jesus apparently is supposed to come back on the white horse, right?

He back. And that's the, I guess, what you're referring to is another collective consciousness shift. And the Bible breaks it up into, we actually do it on our own timescales, BC, a, you know, AD, you know, before Christ after death. But they tried to change that in the age of scientists. Yes, they did. But that's yeah, BCE, right? But like, the class of classification was, there was a huge collective shift. And that was the Holy Spirit being released to everyone in the second shift, and then potentially seeing a third shift on the horizon. And then there are people with the collective prophetic voices who are sitting around on a podcast, talking about what might come. And but why do we talk about what might come? Preparation. Well, that's where. And like, trying to awaken others. Okay, so here's the thing. And right, like, what's art, you know, what's the purpose of the profit now? The profit again, and I'll say this, like, we talk about these things. I very much subscribe to the archetype of Miller Repa, who's a Tibetan yogi who basically distilled all of the Tibetan realizations and wisdom of the Buddhahood and the enlightenment and being awake into song form and transmitted them way more efficiently and effectively, because they were in song form. So people are like, yo, like, I like this song. And they're like, what's he saying? And it's like, Oh, cool. So I very much identified with that. And I think one of the things about Messianic complexes as people would refer to them as is a tripping point.

If you have something beautiful to share with people and you know, it's good and you know, it's going to help them, you do that. Just go ahead and do that. And this preparedness you're talking about to me resonates that we have a period of time here where I really feel over the next few months where we setting our karmic balances. I really feel like we need a zero slate. Some of us has have excess. Some of us have too much, you know, negative and too much positive. We want to get to zero because the states you're talking to, the place where you move through, you can't carry this baggage with you. And I don't think people are going to die and leave our reality. But I do believe it will be like, we are literally living in different worlds. And it's just like, you can't interface in the same way that you used to be able to, because I do think like a lot of this stuff is going to be essentially looking like magic to people. It is magic in a lot of ways, but it's also just how things actually work. Have you ever done tarot?

Once or twice, sometimes it's like, oh, one time I got that really, like a really bad card. There's no such thing. I know everything's neutral. The truth is this is that the cards are you. Here, shuffle these while I'm explaining what tarot is. Oh, Gabriel, that's my son. So basically, that's on the judgment card. I got that today and my friend just gives me these readings, shuffle however your heart feels you should. So the tarot cards are just you. Everything is you. That's essentially how I operate in the world. A tarot reader, their job is to get the fuck out of the way and potentially give you some signs and interpret some alchemical symbols that may go overlooked by your conscious mind. So you learn the cards and begin to reveal that.

What that means is if you pull like a negative looking cards, like the 10 of swords where like someone stabbed all over the place, yeah, I got it. It's the other day. Here's the thing. If you look at that in a position, let's say it's in the upright position and you ask a question like past present future and it's in the future in your staff, rather than looking at like, this is going to be a painful, horrible time, which is what typically the card indicates in a lot of readings is look at it like the part of you that really needs to die is going to die. Yeah, maybe it's a little painful and like it's personal. Sometimes like some people can like experience that death and they're willing to be like, okay, here we go. I give it up. But like for me, it's always a little bit like cut it once. There's a bit of attention, you know, or just cut it once. Yeah, give me that. Okay. I'm always like, there's, it's sometimes the dying for me is like pretty dramatic. Well, dying is a tough thing if you don't understand what dying. Yeah, or what you need to let go and sometimes letting go of a pain actually is a death is familiar to it's actually letting go of something that's familiar to you. That's why it feels like dying. Yeah. And that's what this is like in a lot of ways this life. All right, here we go. We're doing tarot. First one, I've done on air, but first card, the night of pentacles. So the night of pentacles, I didn't also I didn't ask you what you wanted this to represent just because we're going to do it, how I do it for people who don't ask that. So like I do these now professionally, started doing it in two weeks because it's fucking fun now. And it's helping people. But you don't we're going to interpret this kind of psychologically for you. So the night of pentacles, we're going to pull three cards and then we're going to interpret them. Then you have the five of pentacles and we'll go over what is on each card. And then you have the night of wands in the reverse position. Okay. So the night of pentacles shows a night on a black horse, a dark horse. It's like the Katy Perry song "Dark Horse." He's holding a pentacle in the distance. There's hills, there's two trees, he's looking forward calmly and preparedly. So there are four suits in the tarot. There's pentacles, swords, cups, and wands. Pentacles typically have to do with wealth. A lot of people think of financial wealth because when they hear the word wealth, they think of finances, but it can also do with spiritual, emotional, psychological wealth. That's how it should be thought of too. Also financial. A lot of night cards are different. We have the night of wands and the other one. We'll see the difference and we'll compare them. But you can see a night lunging forward quickly and voraciously like the night of swords. Or you can see the dark horse of this night holding a pentacle in his right hand kind of calmly waiting and planning action.

So this is a card that indicates preparedness, taking time, maybe coming kind of from the outside, like the dark horse, you know, but still taking the time to like make sure you're doing everything right. The next card and we're going to read each card and then we'll put them together for you. The next card is the five of pentacles. We see two people, a man and a woman outside of a church with the, what do they call those windows stained glass? There's the word stained glass windows outside. A man is on crutches injured his leg. It looks like they're barefoot. They're not doing well. So this is what again, people would refer to as a negative card. It doesn't look good.

It can just mean a state of spiritual poverty. It can mean a state of actual financial hardship. It can mean any disconnection from a state that one would like to desire. Then we have the Knight of Wands in the reverse position. So we're going to read the card upright. Again, this is highlighting what I was talking about, which is this horse is lunging forward, front hooves in the air. The Knight actually doesn't look super into it. He's kind of like, you know, like cool, but like what's going on? Like if you look at his face, you know, it's like just like, you know, like, I'm with this because I'm on this horse, but like, let me make sure. And we can see the yellow cloak has these lizards. They're not like for a borrows, but like they're pretty close representing infinity. It's on that club it has the club. So that's a wand. It's kind of hairy. It's like a hairy wand. Yeah. It kind of looks like this thing I've built in a weird way, except no stems on it. So we can see the flowing gar, like hair attached to the armor and the yellow tunic on top here and the pyramids in back and you'll see on a lot of the Knight's cards, they have this arid kind of barren land. And in this one, we see the pyramids representing triangles. We got the helmet up there too. So we have it in the reverse position. So let's interpret all these. Okay, let's talk specifically about this card. So again, reverse, we're getting another indicator that maybe we want to just take another look at how quickly we're charging ahead with anything. So together with these cards represent to me, if I'm looking at them quickly for an interpretation of what's going on with you is you're aware of how taking the time to plan something can lead to very powerful results and eventually victory and success in anything that you do. You know that when you don't do that and rush into situations, you're probably looking at not necessarily disaster, but a state of uncomfort. A state of, you know, maybe I should not have done this again. Like people could look at this and say, Hey, well, you know, it's always a good idea to prepare and take your time. That's not true for some people. Some people are like incredibly effective, which is going with their gut reaction going right ahead. And it's always working now.

So I want to be clear that this isn't true for everyone. And then again, we have the last card that night of wands reverse again, saying that if you don't take the time to really like achieve or plan out your achievements and goals, I would say specifically related to the spiritual realm, you astutely pointed out the pyramids, the three pyramids, you know, it's not going to be as effective if you want it. It's not going to be like disastrous, like this middle five of pentacles card, but it's something that's reinforcing the theme that like when you're approaching anything, whether it's consciousness, career, relationship, love, any of these things, you have the tools. This night of pentacles really indicates this. You have that inner sense of knowing as the beacon, the pentacle, he's holding there, the key to the wealth of everything. Use that as your beacon all of the time, and you can literally do whatever you want in life. So that's what these cards say to me.

And I think it totally captures sort of a little bit of how I operate. Yeah, you know, there's longer ones like the Celtic cross that are more specific, but I think at all times, even if the conscious mind doesn't fully get it, there's a deep level of our being that is just like, oh fuck, like are you revealing or why are you telling the person what's really going on? Because it is like, again, like the fear we were speaking about, it's a protective fear. It's not like a dick fear. It's not like something that's meant to be hurtful, even though it can result in like there's a conscious center like in our brain that's like about fear, like I watch the the amygdala, the yeah, the amygdala. And I watched that documentary that just won the Academy Award free solo, free solo, the guy they did, he's jumping. No, no, he climbs. He climbed El Capitan without ropes. Right, right. And like, he has his amygdala is like suppressed or something.

Right. His fear center. It's just like, I'm going to do it. And it does. Yeah. But there's like consequences. So I feel like fear is like, it's physical, but it's also like, it's like physiological, but it's also conscious as well. You have to be prepared to be a fearless person. Yeah. If you're fearless and not carrying around an ethical framework, like you're you're you exponentially increased your chances for misery, you know, like it's just how it works. All right, Maggie, we're going to end here is we could talk about this stuff forever, but I'm also going to be a bard soon so we can weave in the God stuff and more podcast. We're excited to have you speak at our class just about podcast in general. Yeah, it's fun. Podcasts are good. They're like, you know, pirate radio for the 21st century right now. Definitely. So I end with three questions, and then a lot of open ended one. They seem silly sometimes, but they're so not. What's your favorite color? Blue just popped into my mind. That's a good one. Is that your favorite color? Blue counts?

It was the first thing that came into my head. What's your favorite number? Seven. That's a good number two. What's your favorite animal? My dog. King Charles Cavaliere. Yes. Shane. Shane. Peace. What does Shane mean? I don't remember actually. You get something like peace. Wow. Something like that. Maybe it does then. Wow. I picked it because the hot girl in the L word, her name is Shane. That's a really good reason. But if it means peace, maybe there's a good, deep and prophetic meaning I did. I also could just be making that up. That's also possible. Last question. What's a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you could share with people listening? A practical tip? Yeah. Could be anything. Huh. Practical.

Well, if you want to have soft skin, you should wash it with a light soap every day. Twice a day. What's a light soap? Like a soap that doesn't have any like chemicals, like bad chemicals in it. I don't know. My nana told me I also should be washing my neck as well because that skin is also the same type of skin that's on your face. Oh, so soft soap twice a day? Yeah. All right. That is a really good practical tip. Yeah, just wash your face. That's like a really good practical tip. Yeah. You get so much junk on there. And if you take it metaphorically, it's even better. So I love it. Cleansing. Maggie, thank you so much. Yeah.

Thanks for listening to that episode. If you liked it, she does have a website, MaggieHaysen.com. Go check her stuff out. She's someone you want to catch in person though. She's really cool. Thank you for listening to this episode. Rate and review the podcast. That's a nice thing to do. There's a mailing list for synchronicity. It's going to become some cooler stuff coming out there in the next few days, next few weeks, something like that. Stay tuned. Tarot readings are open. I am incorporating astrological concepts into these readings now as it is revealed to me as I understand it more and as I feel confident in speaking about it. So you can look for that. So if you do sign up for a tarot reading, expect some astrological stuff embedded in there.

We'll be moving into the kabbalistic stuff at some point, but come on, one thing at a time, guys, you can go find all of that stuff at synchpodcast.com/ tarot. And that's it, right? The free drawing too. Follow me on Instagram. Send me a message. Say I'd like to be entered in the contest to win a free tarot. I will write your name down. I will do a random thing and I will pick someone and eventually you'll get one. If not, sign up. All good. That's it. Happy imagining. Oh, one less thing. A lot more questions have come in. There will be a Q&A if not next week than the week after related to imaginal acts. Also success stories. Oh, I hope you guys don't think I'm not sharing them because none have happened. I can assure you that is not the case. I am loading up. I'm basically aggregating all of the really fucking crazy ones into one spot and that's going to be the episode. I'm expecting it to be around November because that's what I'm going to go visit my friend Jill. I'm staying with her in LA and her lovely husband. And we're basically like, there's some cool shit going on. So stay tuned for success stories. It is real. It is real to the degree that you believe it's real. That's all I can say. Sounds crazy. Sounds silly. Sounds like it shouldn't work, but this is how imagining works. Until then, happy imagining. I will see you soon.

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