The World of Spirits with Aja Daashuur

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This is synchronicity.

This is synchronicity.

This is synchronicity.

This is synchronicity.

This is synchronicity.

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Welcome to synchronicity. My guest this week is Asia Dashaure, a new friend, wife of Justin Hopkins, previous guest, someone I threw the mind wave event along with Yoshino, who's a wonderful podcast artist I coded on MindPod Network, go check it out. Asia's been on that show, it's referenced in this episode. I definitely recommend checking it out if you enjoyed this one and haven't heard from Asia before, aren't familiar with who she is. Asia is a channeler and medium. We've had a few of those on this show. We've also had Dr. Evan Alexander who wrote a very extensive and prominent book called Life After Death and about his journeys when he was essentially clinically dead with bacterial meningitis.

I bring it up because there's multiple ways we've looked at the topic of death on this show, right? From our own perspectives as the living, right? As an impending thing that's coming for all of us, whether we like it or not. But also ways that we can interact as the living with the dead, not only through memory, but also through felt experience and also communications, right? Two-way communications, potentially, too. So this is something that we get into pretty heavily in this episode because she is a medium and channeler and she's also someone I think is the perfect person to be a medium and channeler because she recognizes how ridiculous it is to say often that you're a medium and channeler in today's culture, right?

That's something that doesn't just kind of like roll off the tongue for most people. They're like, "Oh, yeah, sure, no problem." Maybe if you're like me, you're like, "Oh, yeah, sure, let me have a conversation and see what's up." But a lot of people will be like, "No, come on." Like that's not a real thing. So to address that, I don't do much else besides the normal thing is experience is the final arbiter for all of this stuff. If you've had experience with dead people or entities or something like that, you probably don't need much convincing. If you're someone who hasn't experienced that but are open to it, you're gonna love this episode.

If you're someone who hasn't experienced that and are skeptical in a pejorative sense or a negative sense, you'll probably get something out of the episode but you're probably not gonna kind of be able to latch on to many of the things we're speaking about here just because you have to have some level of openness to this. So one exercise that I recommend for people, although I don't think there will be very many listening to this show who are incredibly skeptical in a negative way, but there's a thing that a sound healer, Tom Kenyon, brought up, which was very useful to me initially because many of the things he was saying on my initial time when I went to go see him and I didn't know who he was sounded fucking insane.

So he does this thing where there's an imaginary box. You have this psychic imaginary box that you put off to the side, not in your belief system, not in something you have to say, "Oh, yes, that is definitely true or definitely not true." You have a belief system, you put it off to the side and you say, "Okay, I don't really know about this, but I'm gonna pretend that everything this person is saying is true and just put it in my imaginary box up to the side, I don't have to believe that." But for now, just to create an area of, you know, suspend your disbelief, it makes sense. So that's just something that's useful for a lot of things.

Now, obviously, if you're talking to a stake oil salesman or a Huxter, which are clearly not just in the kind of mystic mystery kind of services or things that people are doing these days, shamanic realms, whatever they are, you know, that there's Huxters everywhere. So you really have to judge someone on their character, their your own experience related to what they're saying and also just whether you believe them or not and think they're trustworthy person. And another way of doing that is knowing their friends and family, right? So Asia is someone who I have no problem believing with all this stuff lines up with many experiences I've had and people in my personal immediate family have had.

So I don't have a problem with that. You probably won't either. This is a really, really cool episode. We're getting into a few episodes here with some really awesome women in a row that I am just kind of blown away at what's happening in the world in terms of women stepping into their own power, which sounds like, ugh, just saying that sounds stupid. But it is really what's happening. Women are stepping into their own power. They're beginning to seize and take things that they have equal rights to as everyone else despite what Jordan Peterson may tell you about the dynamics of the world. So yeah, I just think she's a wonderful person who kind of bridges this gap between being a normal person in the world who has to pay bills, make money, have a family, whatever it is.

Like your normal shit you gotta do in life in the Western world. And also having a deep and profound connection to the spirit world, right? That's not an easy tightrope to walk. I can tell you that from personal experiences. And sometimes you may lean more towards the spiritual and kind of lifted area. We talk about this experience of feeling like you're floating when you're walking. Something that maybe many of you can relate to if you're in a certain state. And also the groundedness that is needed many times for people who are prone to do that. And the converse, people who are too kind of rigid and grounded and can't conceive of any type of likeness or levity in a psychic sense.

So yeah, this is a cool episode. I think I have rambled on to long already. Asia is wonderful. Go check her out. There are links to every single thing she does. Spiritual spirit guide coach, right? Am I fucking that up? I don't want to fuck that up. Asia, let's see what your Instagram is 'cause it's awesome. Yes, @thespiritguidecoach. Good job. No. So go check her out. She's doing some really cool stuff. She also, if you're in the LA area, has really cool spiritual house collective things she's putting together with friends or is due friends, not putting together. It's been done. So go check that stuff out.

As always, if you like this show, feel free to support it on Patreon. You're not gonna get too much back. I'm not gonna lie. If you sign up for the music level, you have access to every song and little clip you may have heard over every single episode. So that's cool. Other than that, you're just supporting keeping the show going. And by that, I mean, you're paying for the hosting and my MailChimp list. That's pretty much it. When it gets to a point where all of that's like abundantly covered, I'll let you guys know. But that's all it is for now. That's all I got. Big thanks to Patrick Nemczyk for being an amazing, amazing (laughs)

amazing Patreon on Patreon. Love you, buddy. And with that, without further ado, here is Asia. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

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Hey, Asia.

Hi.

How are you doing?

I'm good, how are you?

I'm doing really well.

That's great.

I'm excited to speak to you today on the podcast.

I'm excited to be spoken to you on the podcast.

Well, spoken with, we'll say. I think that that's what we'll do.

Is there anything before, I mean, it technically records as soon as you pick up, but is there anything you want to talk about or specifically don't want to talk about beforehand?

I'm pretty open.

Cool, that's the type of answer I like. Not that I don't think we'll be doing any probing. I've asked that question now probably, oh, like 120 times and like very, very few people, but there are people who are like, I don't want to talk about this. I don't want to talk about that. It's usually, you can tell it's just like a hang up they have. I'm like, you'd be surprised with people talk about them. No one really cares.

Yeah, no, I don't have any hang ups yet. Maybe, you know, when I've done more interviews, we'll have a lot of people. But as of right now, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm wide open.

Awesome, cool. Well, then let's just get started. Thank you for coming on. I'm really excited to speak to you. I was catching up finding out more about you on the Yoshino's podcast, so getting some biographical and, you know, some cool information. But, you know, before we get started, you know, just to explain to people listening, you're also the wife, recent wife, a former guest and good friend, Justin Hopkins, which is saying a lot for people who know Justin. So that's really cool. I wanted to point that out.

Yeah, yeah, very excited to be very, to Justin, he's an awesome guy.

Yeah, congrats, by the way. I haven't said it to you, I said it to him. Cool, so you're medium and you, I want you to kind of explain to people what that means, what that entails, not only professionally, but what that kind of means in your life. And I thought, like, one of the cool things we could speak about specifically during this episode is kind of making or normalizing. I guess that's maybe a word I'm looking for, normalizing some of the things that mediums do, channeling and all of that stuff, because I think we're past the point where everyone is just gonna be like, "No way, no way." Like, that's not a thing, she's not really doing that.

So I think that's something we can kind of do in this episode, but what do you do? What's a medium? What's your profession? What are you doing?

What am I doing? What am I doing? Well, I mean, in really basic terms, a medium is basically an intermediary between the spirit world and our world. So I connect the two for people that are on this plane. More specifically, I have dubbed myself a spirit guide coach, which my profession and my practice basically centers on connecting people to their spiritual team, the spirit guides that they've chosen before they're incarnated to help them fulfill certain missions that they have or goals that they have in life. That is my main job, and I really love it. I mean, obviously I talk to other spirits that come through when they come through during sessions, but my main goal is to connect people to their team, so they feel more in tune, they feel more aligned with their path, and they feel more empowered to connect with their soul path, connect with their actual goals and desires.

I love it. So cosmologically, how does the idea of a spirit world or people who are no longer on the earthly plane, how does that fit into your conception or understanding of what this realm is and maybe other realms that you speak of in a spiritual swim, a more esoteric sense? So how does that kind of fit together for you?

You mean, how do I combine life on this plane with the other side?

Yeah, yeah, because I mean, I think this is a theme that's emerged on this show and for myself specifically is how to kind of balance those two things. I've had experiences where you even mentioned and something I was laughing as you were saying it on Noshino's podcast, you felt like you were floating when you were going through this, but that I can't tell you. So I have always been kind of spiritually attuned, empathetic, empathic, and nothing clear voice too much, but I had an experience when I was about 20, brought on by LSD, which I'd done many times before, where I essentially got blasted off into what I like to call like other dimensions, full access to them for three months, unceasingly.

So through sleep, through waking life, and it was nuts. And I remember specifically during that period of time when I just felt that I was vibrating physically, just it felt like high vibrations, I felt like I was floating everywhere I was going, like all of the time. So yeah, like how do you kind of not mitigate, but how do you balance those two things? And I know you also in a previous life, kind of shut this down for a period of your adolescence in growing up.

I did, I really wasn't ready. I mean, I had no idea that this was gonna be my life, it was never my life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At all to be medium. In terms of balance, it actually, it's gotten pretty, pretty easy, but obviously in the beginning it was difficult. I even had an experience doing the full moon on Friday night where I had a spirit visit me in a very aggressive and negative way, and it basically served as a reminder to me of that I need to be constantly vigilant and grounding myself so that I feel protected and that Justin feels protected.

I do a really good job of meditating every day and grounding myself, talking to friends and family. And then I spend a large part of the day communicating with the other side. And that sometimes that balance isn't, sometimes I'm not as diligent as I should be, but I'm really lucky that I have a supportive partner that helps me basically root myself in this life when I am not in session. Also, I mean, I have a collective, so I'm constantly talking to other people about galactic beings or about aliens, about body hijacking. I'm constantly talking about these amazing and magical experiences that go beyond this plane, but my home is my sanctuary and I definitely carve out time to make sure that I'm in this reality.

Well, you mentioned basically the two critical things that I, if I ever see or someone comes to me and says, "Hey, my friend is having a hard time "or I'm having a hard time of feeling kind of untethered." What worked for me was a support system, friends and family. At the end of the day, whether that's your community, your extended family of friends and loved ones or your actual immediate family, that tethering, that's why we have those things. That's why we either find those people or are born in the family sick. There's some level of stability, hopefully, not in everyone's narrative, but hopefully that provides some level of support.

So I'm like super happy to hear you mention that because there's no superpower that I think--

No.

When you're the type of person who can float off into space, when you're an intrepid explorer into realms of consciousness or other planes of existence, it's really easy to go just like as far as you can 'cause you just wanna see more and more and experience and it's so important to stay grounded. I'm just happy and you mentioned another thing that I always mention to people and I'm like what I would call like, I don't know, an amateur medium, I don't ask for these things, but I'll get them every so often if my mind is quiet and I've had plenty of experiences of clairvoyance and things, precognition and all of that.

But another thing is this idea of protection, which is so fricking important. Can you talk a little bit about that and how that relates to what you do?

Absolutely. Before I talk about that, I do wanna underline something that we both already mentioned, which is community. Because I didn't have a community and I decided to create my own.

Awesome.

So if anyone out there is like, I don't have a community, I don't have a support system, you can find one or create your own so that you do have that grounding.

That's so true.

Grounding is definitely part of protection. For me, my protection starts as soon as I wake up. I wake up in the morning, I call my spirit back into my body, I call my energy back into my body 'cause I know I've been traveling on the other side when I've been unconscious to this plane. I then go into my office, I meditate, I ground my roots into the heart of the planet, I open up my crown chakra, I asked, well, for me, it's spirit to basically bathe my body and my subtle bodies in white light. I sleep with black tourmaline under my pillow, I have black tourmaline oil that I rub on my body before sessions, I use sage and palisantos to clear my office before and after each session.

I use so many things, I've blessed my house before people come in it because I'm obviously really sensitive to other people's energy and people bring spirits and other entities with them. So it's around the clock thing and I know it sounds like it might be overkill, but just when you think, just when you start to get a little lackadaisical, something will happen in my house where someone will get possessed by a spirit during a workshop or I'll have an entity, try to enter my body later in the night. So it's not overkill and it's actually really beautiful. Those rituals become woven into the fabric of your life and they're really, really symbolic of your reverence and respect for what you do and for the people that are coming into your home.

Yes, yes, yes. I mean, I liken it also in a way like, I don't bless my food very often when I eat, but those times where I find that kind of repose to do it right before, I'm like, you know what? I want to do this and for, if I'm preparing it for someone who is like, that feels especially good. This is the type of protection that like, that's like blessing your spiritual journeys too. So for us, we're, I mean, we could immediately launch into kind of the deeper, crazier stuff that you've done, but I want to back up to your early life and kind of, if you could give kind of an overview of the genesis of when you started noticing kind of things that were there but weren't there if you know what I mean.

Yeah, for me, if I always try to pinpoint it, I feel like it happened when I was around the ages of four or five. I would have these intense dreams of conversations I was having with people that I didn't know that would be in my room or I would, and then I would wake up and I would see people in my room and just flee out of it into my parents' bedroom. And that pretty much happened almost every night until I was way too old. I think I mentioned on Yoshina's podcast, I really give credit to my parents because they barely had any time alone. But I didn't even really know what was happening and I didn't really know how to explain it to my parents, except for, there was an instance where I, in some way, was able to get across the fact that I was seeing people and they brought another psychic in who basically validated that there were these two men in my bedroom who were visiting me every night.

But it was really, really terrifying. I would also get premonitions about things that were going to happen, but I had no context. For any of that. And basically, by the age of 13, I completely just shut it down. I ignored it. I had an experience of a spirit that came into my room. I woke up in the middle of the night and it was the closest I'd ever been to a spirit about six feet away. And after that moment, I don't know how it happened, but I just stopped seeing spirits. I maybe my guys were protecting me in a different way because I don't see them the same way now that I did them.

Right, right.

I can hear them. I hear a lot of stuff and I'll see things here and there, but the clarity has definitely, the point of view has changed. And when I have spoken to my guys, they've told me that I don't really need to add that to my, I don't really need that right now. I've got enough going on.

Right, right. You don't need the physical manifestations.

I don't need the manifestation. I hear enough and the clairvoyance, which is kind of off the charts and claircentians and everything. I think I'm good, but basically I shut it down for a very long time and I went about my business trying to figure out who I was as a teenager and as a young adult. And during a really, really long and deep depression, I decided to figure out who I was and what I wanted for myself, not based on what other people thought I should do. And during that process, I started to remember these experiences I had as a child and I started to dig just a little bit, you know, for curiosity's sake and that kind of snowballed into an obsession to connect, to the other side again for no other reason, just because I knew I'd done it before and I wanted to see if I could do it again.

And once that happened and the communications with the other side really started to flow through, they advised me to merge that connection with my line of work as a life coach. And from that point on, I mean, it's just, it's changed my life. Yeah.

I can hear, I mean, in speaking with people who have found their calling for lack of a better term.

Oh, absolutely.

And that can change obviously for people, but there's a certain, I wouldn't call it a tone of, there's something in the way they communicate it, which is very clear and it's like very, oh yeah, yeah, no, good for you, you found it. That's awesome. So I really, I'm super happy that you have that experience of doing it. But I'm mostly curious, when you started turning it back on again, what were those initial kind of for rays or experiences like for you?

In the beginning, and this is what I always tell people who are curious about strengthening or reopening their third eye, it just started with a very devout practice to meditation. Simple as that. I would be getting nudges to look certain things up. I was obviously probably experiencing some low level clear audience, but I wasn't aware of it. I was, you know, doing research on shamans and research on connecting to guides, animal guides. And I started pulling tarot cards just because I thought they were beautiful. And through that, and I was having prophetic dreams, again, not connecting that they were prophetic dreams.

Visions and prophetic dreams are very different in the way they feel to your regular subconscious kind of unwinding. There's a clarity in deepness and vividness to them that obviously, and even sometimes when you open your eyes, the vision is still taking place in front of you. So those experiences were happening and as I was connecting more to tarot cards, which are a great, great tool, I started to hear my guides speaking to me. And once that started happening, I started to concentrate on channeling or automatic writing, allowing obviously, while protected, my guides to move my hand to write down the information they wanna meet and know.

And that's what I basically do every single day, hours each day.

So cool. Can you tell me about your guides, how many who initial, any information, I find this stuff fascinating.

I have eight spirits that are around me on and off pretty much at all times. The main guide that I talk to or the main two that I speak to on a regular basis are Monty, short for Montgomery and Charles. Monty was the first guide that has spoken to me and he's got a lot of fire energy and he's the one that basically pushed me to merge the two businesses to start a metaphysical collective. He's basically the voice I hear most often in my mind. And he and I were husband and wife in a previous life, which he's spoken to me about early on in my communications with him, but he prefers to discuss now ways that I can connect more to other spirits and how to expand my gifts or basically level up as often as possible.

He's very strict, he's a very strict teacher.

That's the type of, just between you and me, that's the type of teachers I think people like you and me need. We don't, we hate, we don't really like authority and wanna be told by, but that's actually the best thing for someone, I totally get it.

Yes, yes, very intense energy. He's constantly saying, you know, what about this? And why haven't you done this? And why haven't you done this?

Yeah, give me a break, yeah.

Yeah, but he's, I talked to him all the time if I'm upset or if I'm, I mean, when I used to work a full-time job on a wash break, I would go into my car and I would be really depressed and he would immediately just start talking to me, telling me things were gonna be okay and that you've only got six more months until you're out of here and I would do these little tests, which are kind of embarrassing, but because it's so hard when these things are happening, even when they're happening to believe in the past.

Yes, yes, I was, you just intuited my next question.

Yeah, it's really, really intense. So I would do these little tests where I would ask him, you know, if something was gonna happen in the next few days and, you know, something that I was positive was going to happen and he would say it wouldn't and then it wouldn't happen and he would say, are you done? Are you satisfied? And I would say, yeah, but what about this thing? You know, tell me what's gonna happen here or just him would like, you know, have a, he's really into boxing and he would ask me who's gonna win and I would, you know, tell him who they thought was gonna win and that person would win and still there's that little thread of doubt that just likes to seep in because logically on paper, it just doesn't make sense.

Of course, of course, but when you get inundated, this is where an element of faith kind of is juxtaposed with non-the-leaf. I totally get it because, I mean, I have, you know, spiritual guides and teachers who are recognized, who are not alive, but who recognize as people who did live. And listen, there are times where I don't want these teachers all the time. I don't want these people reminding me to love everyone and be nice to people who are dicks to me and those things, it's not convenient. But when you have experiences that kind of supersede that, that are deep, deep in like the essence of who you are, you can't shake that.

And like, sure, there may be some fancy pants, neuroscientists or neuro pharmacologists who want to say, oh, well, that's just your default mode brain network, telling you this, like, okay, sure. But guess what? When you actually have it for prolonged periods of time, obviously in your case, a continual state that you actively manage every day or certain experiences that can last anywhere from hours to weeks to months to years. But it's hard to dismiss that, especially when you do any type of cursory research and with the internet these days, like this has been going on forever. This isn't like some weird thing that's only happening to you.

This is like, this happens.

Well, absolutely, but or you could go the other swing, swing the other way and think that you're going insane, which I never-- - Of course. You have to, who do you have to? If you don't do that, then you're probably insane, just to let people know. - Yes, yes. That is actually what so many segments say. If you don't question your sanity and you're actually, maybe you need to go to a doctor.

That would be the hallmark of someone who's totally and delusional. It's just like, no, I know, I got all the answers.

Yeah.

So when you're Monty and Charles, when you are communicating with your guides or they're communicating with you, what do you hear a distinct voice? How did you kind of flesh out that these were distinct entities or energies as opposed to maybe some whimsical train of thought that you have kind of crystallized into something? How did that process go about that?

Right, I mean, definitely in the beginning, there were times where I would question, is this me or is this them? And I actually say often, if I'm getting something sometimes in the middle of the session, I'll ask, is that me or you? And they'll say, that's you or they'll say, no, it's us. But the energy just feels different. Like when Monty starts talking to me, the energy is really fiery, very controlling, very aggressive. When Charles comes in, he's much calmer. And they're saying things that I would never know. They're showing me images of things that I've never seen before. It's very obvious when my own ego is at play.

If someone comes in and they're talking to me and I have a preconceived notion of them, and I'm about to tell them my opinion, and then Monty or Charles or another spirit will say, no, no, no, that's not what we said. And I have to check myself and say, okay, give me a second. I need to listen instead of telling you my opinion, because the whole point is that I'm working with them as a team. We're working together to get to that, to get that person where they need to be on their life path.

Right, and that's the meta skill that I'm sure the meditation practice helped plant because you get to actually observe and react rather. I mean, this is something that, in a weird way, I'm a big cannabis user. I spoke a lot of weed, I always have. For people who get paranoid or have these very intense experiences, I think it's just not recognizing which thoughts are you and which ones are just stray kind of like tangents that are just bubbling up because you're synthesizing with the plant in a weird way. It's taught me, especially when I do way too much edibles, if it absorbs too much of my skin, when I'm making coconut oil and I get launched in some psychedelic state, it's really helpful to just remember like, oh, that's not you.

I would never think that thought, that's not something else. Whether it's a lower dimensional being or energetic being or some stray mental thought, it's really, really helpful to develop that meta skill of recognizing like, oh, this feels like me. This feels like some aspect of me, even if it's an emotion that I'm not used to, feels like me as opposed to like, what the fuck was that? Like that? - Well, yeah. I mean, it's about knowing yourself. Through meditation and through this work and through all of these things, you get to know yourself in a way that you previously have not and you can pinpoint, well, as you were saying, like, is this emotion from me?

Is this thought from me? Is this idea coming from me? Or is it from the plant medicine? Or is it something else? Is it a lower vibrational entity? I mean, psychic attacks are freaking real. I had like a psychic attack the other night from an entity who was telling me he was gonna kill me in the middle of the night. And I was like, wow, that's really intense.

Yeah, yeah.

I was like, are you sure? 'Cause I don't think you're gonna kill me. (laughing) You know, 'cause I'm still freaking here on this plane and you're just floating around around me.

Wow. - You know, but a year ago, that would have scared the, you know, scared the shit out of me, so.

I've noticed it too. And I think there's some, there's a connection obviously between psychic and matter. I know when I have been very sick, gotten the flu or something very, very aggressive. That's, I can hear and feel voices in my head that I'm like, that's the virus. That's the whatever it is, like this thing is in me. And it's not just these cells attacking my body. There's a consciousness related to this and it's palpable and it's visceral. I remember that being a kid all the way to the last time I had the flu. I'm like, oh, leave me alone. And I imagine that's kind of what it's like when you're feeling kind of these presences that are unwelcome and unwarranted.

So what, what were some of the kind of most, I don't want to use these were traumatic, but intense experiences that you had when working with kind of the spirit realm of God's. Have you always had this team as an adult to kind of help you along? Or were you just kind of like out there spelunking into the deep and realizing things as they come up? Hello. Hi.

I lost ya.

It's the spirits, you know it. (laughs) I was just, I was saying too. I was like, what are some of the weird, intense, you know, experiences that you've had when you were been doing this. And then I second part of the question was, do you have like, did you always have this team supporting you? Were you kind of spelunking into the deep on your own and kind of getting in contact with this? And that's right when it cut offs. (laughs)

Yeah, I mean, I've, I definitely, from my conversations with my guides, I've had Monty and Charles have been in the beginning, other spirits have come in since I've started devoting myself and have committed to this work. When really crazy things are happening, I definitely call on them for protection. I know who my animal guides are, I call on them for protection. But there's also this thing where when something crazy unexpected happens, usually in the middle of the night, where I am training myself to not be scared of it and to see if there's a message within it. You know, if a spirit is moving my appendages, I'm not going to assume it's just evil.

I'm going to get up and say, do you have a message for me? Are you just messing with me? Are you just being mischievous? You know, if I'm seeing an insect-like entity, I'm not going to assume that it's evil just because of the way it looks. I have to ask myself, am I feeling something negative coming from this entity? If I'm not, then do I have the courage right now or the energy to say I'm listening? And a lot of times I don't, I'm half asleep and I need my rest. But sometimes I do and I am learning to not take things which is really interesting to say this at face value when dealing with these energies from the other side.

I don't even use the word, you know, demons. I really can't stand that word, you know?

Well, it's pejorative and yeah.

It totally is, let's just say lower vibrational. It's an energy that like I would normally not want to be connected with. I'm trying to connect to higher vibrational entities for that knowledge. But, you know, there is a place for everything, there is a place for everything, you know? And that lower vibrational entity might actually have a message for me if I choose to hear it because I'm in control of my own body and I'm in control of my time.

Yeah, and this is something that in Jungian, psychology, I'm a big Carl Jung fan, you know, they'll talk about the shadow side of that we all have for ourselves. And sometimes these lower vibrational emanations could be a reflection of our own shadow side that there's something in there for us. It's not some demon or some horrible thing we want to push away always and say no. But also what you're saying too is totally valid. Like if you don't have time for it and you're not ready for it, it's okay to be like, nah, I'm good. Like I'm totally good on this, please back off. But sometimes you lean into that and it can dissipate, you know, I hear people with, I've had various lucid dreamers, experts on this show who do that and you know, something that has been chasing them their entire dream for like decades, they actually turn around and face and they see it was just like themselves is like some wounded trauma.

So, I mean, a lot of this stuff is our perception, which admittedly is quite limited, which is, if you want any more proof of that is, I'm sure there are people who come across this podcast and be like, this is nonsense. Like this is just totally made up gobbledygook, like what's going on in the stock market.

And then I would understand.

Yeah, yeah.

I would completely understand their point of view, 100%. I've been that skeptic even with the experiences. I had as a child. So I totally, I feel for those people, I understand.

You have to be though because like, you have to be a skeptic of your own. That's the, so skeptic is a term that originally didn't have this negative disbeliever connotation. It was a group of people who really just tried to vet everything, including their own perception. So it wasn't this thing where you're trying to disprove not believe people. It was trying to get to the truth of the matter. So a healthy dose of skepticism for one's own experiences and that of others is great. But if it becomes this weird judgmental kind of like, hang up that your ego is using to protect itself, that doesn't serve anyone, at least the best of which yourself.

But I also think it's good. Like you said, like you got to G check yourself on some of this sometimes. Like I do it all of the time. I don't want to get carried away. I've been carried away. I know what that's like. I know what that leads to. I know what the hallmarks of that are, that tethering, whether it's another person, family, community, or just your own kind of resiliency to check those things is critical. I mean, 'cause when we're talking about this stuff, there's two things I try to keep in mind. One is let's be open to these experiences and investigate them. If someone's telling me that it's a true thing and I get to buy that this is an honest person, I totally believe them.

On the other hand, yeah. And then the other thing is obviously, let's not get too airy-fairy here about this. Like because not that we're making stuff up, but that someone who's having these experiences can be like, oh yeah, everything is love and light all of the time. There's no bad things that ever happen. I'm gonna only communicate with the spirits who love me. And that's not, we see that all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not realistic. And I mean, I have people talking to me about stuff sometimes and then, and I don't believe it.

Yeah.

I don't really look like really? Okay, you know, if you say so, but I'm not feeling that that's true. I mean, we're all people.

Right.

You know, we all wanna be special in some way. Sometimes we might exaggerate things. And I totally understand that. But yeah, I'm definitely, I'm definitely skeptical of my own existence at times. I definitely read over things I've written. I definitely ask my guides questions to challenge them because, you know, I don't wanna just swallow everything whole. I wanna remain objective as much as possible because what I'm dealing with is, I tell people all the time, I feel like I'm working with smoke.

Yeah, yeah.

It just, it disappears. It appears and disappears, it changes form. And I'm just, and I'm constantly just trying to catch up.

Yeah, that is kind of what it feels like. Well, 'cause it moves a little bit faster, a lot of it, a lot faster than we do in this realm. That's what it is. You're trying to catch these, you know, and bring them into the temporal realm. So what's that like, what's the conception of time like, or temporality for your guides, for your spirits, for people who have passed? What's that like, you know, in conversations you've had or experiences? What's your understanding of that?

Well, they tell me that for them everything is, this is definitely over-simplifying, but everything's kind of happening at once.

Right, right.

You know, they can jump into the future, into the past. When I first started talking to them on a regular basis, I would ask like, what's certain years, what's going on in certain decades, or, and they would tell me, you know, the world actually doesn't exist in this time period as it does now. I mean, all kinds of weird and crazy stuff. But, I also tell people I know like a pin point, a pin prick of what's actually going on on the other side. There's no way for me to understand in any real way what that is like, especially since some of my guides, also they're guiding more than just me.

Right.

They're on, you know, councils where they're guiding probably, I don't even want to know how many people at once. But they always seem to be here when I need them. And they're always around even for the boring stuff. You know, like we watch movies together and I'll ask them what they think about, you know, a certain movie, you know, or an art show. We'll go see one of Justin's shows at the gallery and they'll tell me what pieces they liked and didn't like. So.

That's so cool.

That's awesome.

I want to spend more, with my practice, it's gotten really kind of hectic. But I am carving out more time to talk to each of these, each of my guides individually, 'cause I have quite, you know, as I said, I have eight guides now. And several of them I don't really even speak to at all. You know, I unfortunately for them, they have things they want to teach me and I'm so focused on the things that I need to get through each day that I have given them the time to really speak for themselves and tell me what messages they have. So that's definitely one of the things I need to focus on in the next few months.

How do you manage kind of this internal space because I always really admire people who can walk this line of recognizing and interacting with the spirit world or non-physical world and also run a life, you know, have a zip code, have a husband, have a real life and kind of manage those things.

What, I know you meditate, but what is it, what's kind of the daily internal process that you go through? 'Cause it's interesting for me to hear, you say like, I know these other guides, I have eight of them, like I know they want to get in an award, edge-wise, but I'm busy running my shit. Like that's so fascinating.

Yeah, I mean, I'm really lucky that I, you know, I work, my work is connecting to the other side. When I had another job, it would be really difficult to do, I mean, to say, have spoken to, you know, to spoken to certain spirits an hour previously and then go into work and help someone pick out, you know, an outfit for a movie premiere, you know, like it's very, it got to be very, very bizarre and I got to feel very disconnected. And what I saw happening was that people would come in and inevitably it would be like a therapy session in the middle of a store because obviously guides are bringing them in to talk to me and to speak to my guides.

It got very chaotic. So anyone who is doing this type of work and is working a nine to five in front of a computer or is a lawyer or a doctor, I mean, I have like so much admiration for you because it is very difficult to find that balance. I have my times carved out in the day that are for spirit work and then I am off the clock. And in the beginning, it was really difficult for me to alert them to my boundaries because they would just keep talking even at, and they still do, after a session's over, they'll kind of like throw in a couple extra sentences, like don't forget to tell her or him this and blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, yes, yes. And I have to imagine this big volume dial that I'm just slowly turning all the way down to zero because otherwise they'll just keep talking. And it's almost like, I don't know if you've read any X-Men convoats.

I have, I love them growing up. I thought I was an X-Men, it was convinced.

Oh, well, I mean, it seems like you are. (laughing) But it's very much going to school and you're learning what your superpower is and you're learning how to control it and how to manage it. Because in the beginning of this conversation, we were talking about the fact that I felt like I was floating in the beginning and I had no idea how to control that and then I would get in the car and I would drive. And I would hear crazy psychic attacks of what would be happening while I was driving and I would almost run a red light.

Yeah.

There is trial and error there. There is, you're learning how you can alert the other side that you want to remain connected, but that this is your life here.

Yeah, yeah.

And that there's a line in the sand and they are not allowed to cross that line in the sand.

Which you can imagine from their perspective how that's not something that would even necessarily be taken as like an, like an, oh, how dare you? It's just they don't, if time isn't functioning the way it does in linear fashion here for us. That's something that would need to be communicated. Otherwise, we'd just be like, yeah, I'm gonna say this stuff 'cause it needs to be said and I see you're in this position right as I'm speaking to you. So it makes sense and that's really interesting too because I think a lot of people who have these experiences when they're younger or if they start bubbling up during psychedelic experiences or when they're older, you know, it can be like, oh my God, like I know people who have prodded a little too much into certain realms of the occult and I was like, hey, you maybe wanna be careful.

I don't think you know what you're doing and then inevitably it will come back to me like a month or two later and be like, holy shit. I think like I opened up some portal with some fucked up and I'm like, yeah, like don't do that.

Yeah, well that's what it's about. It's about respect. I have so much respect for the other side because I know how limited my expertise is within this. Like I know what I know. I know how to communicate with my guides. When other spirits even come in, for the most part, they speak to my guides. Someone's like, tell them they speak to me. I don't allow those spirits to--

Like a buffer, yeah.

I always have that buffer. And also they're always gonna, I mean, as you and I are talking, they're telling me stuff. They're showing me stuff with you. And I'm like, this is--

What are they saying? What are they saying?

Well, the only, I mean, the only time that I, because then I can't really concentrate, it's like that semi-trans state. They were just showing me that one, because when you were talking about, you know, your spiritual team and your guides and the people, you know, or the entities that you have around you, they were showing me an old woman with white hair, looking out a window and a rocking chair. And I was like, well, I don't know who that is, but I don't have time to talk about that now. But you know, but they're always gonna be trying to give you information, because, you know, there are messages that they're hoping that we receive.

And I totally respect that and it's such a beautiful thing, but I'm living on this plane in this life for a reason. And I have to be able, in order for me to keep doing that work, I have to have my boundaries and they have to respect them. And sometimes, you know, they don't. Or when these entities come in the middle of the night, I'm like, you are not respecting my boundaries right now. I'm not going to acknowledge you, because you have broken that bare minimum code that I have. You know, my sleep is my time. My bedroom is, this is my sanctuary. And you've crossed that. So it's almost, you're creating this, you're not creating, you're learning from each other what's okay and what's not.

Right, right, right. - And that takes time. Like, any relationship, you know? Like, I'll argue with them in the middle of the night. I'll say, I can't believe you let that thing come through. You know, what's going on? You guys aren't sleeping. So what, you know, and you're learning from, you're constantly learning from each other. Or, you know, and they're even helping me in my relationship. They're, you know, in the beginning, they were telling me, you've got to be nicer to Justin. And I was thinking, I'm planning nice to Justin.

Oh, I know. - Yeah, I'll be.

Yeah, you know, so they've even helped me with that. So I don't know, it's honestly, it's also incredible. And also beautiful, yet at the end of the day, you still have to figure out a way, as you said, to pay your bills, to get the car washed.

Right. - Take the dog out, you know.

And do things like this interview.

Right, well, I mean, that's the thing. Like, you know, it's, that's where I think our culture, or at least a faction or subset of it. It seems to be, especially, you know, this in the artist's collectives, this kind of new spirituality that is acknowledging all of these fantastic, mystical, amazing things that really have been suppressed for millennia, but also we're not moving in directly, right away, into some completely different utopian version of nothing else is happening. Like, this is a transitional period for people who can't feel that at this point. I know, those people don't exist. But, you know, this is what we're here to do.

I mean, I, it has always felt like to me, and all the confirmations I've got in my life, that life is not some random place we're thrown to just see if we can survive, and then it's over, it feels very much like a very intentional and conscious choice that is made by ourselves. Right, absolutely, so it feels like if that's the case, like, well, then what are we here for? I don't think it's a mistake that my car payment is this much, and daycare is expensive and all these things. Like, there's something, there's a relationship here between my internal states, between what I'm supposed to be doing here, and the actual facts of reality, and to kind of eschew the facts of reality to allow that other stuff to happen, is just doing the same dance in a weird, different way.

It's not the dance we're supposed to be doing. So, I love that there's this kind of integrative aspect of what you're doing, and how you're bringing this to people. And when Justin, yeah, yeah, please go.

My apologies, but, you know, I was speaking, I was talking to a friend, I don't know if you know her Rachel Howe. She's a wonderful artist and healer as well, and she talks a lot with, she connects a lot with the earth and plant medicine, but, you know, she was telling me, 'cause we were talking about this balance, this dance we all are a part of, and she was telling me that, you know, a couple thousand years ago, you know, we'd be sitting up in some mountain, people would be bringing us plates of food, you know, offerings, all we would do is all day is, you know, prophesize, and give advice. But also, you know, now we're in this culture where we are asserting ourselves in a new way.

We don't have to be as fearful as we used to. We don't have to hide who we are, or run for fear of burning, or hanging, or disembowelment. Instead, we have to live our lives, talk to people, deal with people who think we're crazy, and also have families and raise children, and travel the world and gain different experiences, because I definitely believe that the same souls come back over and over again to help heal those previous experiences and deepen our relationship to the other side, so that eventually, we can merge the two in a much deeper way, and all really know who our spiritual teams are, in order to help us learn those lessons, it's not faster, but with more acknowledgement.

Grace, with knowledge, you know.

Does that make sense?

It does, and something that strikes me when you're speaking about this, even though you didn't specifically mention it, where did the role of women specifically come into what's happening now? Because one of the downloads I got, 2002, 2003, when I was really just in a altered state of consciousness, was that the rising of the feminine divine was underway, it was imminent, and since those 15 years have elapsed, it's been very clear to see how that's emerged, not only in the culture, but the spiritual scene. I know that a lot of your business is also focused on empowering women to kind of acknowledge and get in touch with this stuff.

Where does that come from in your life, and where does that fit into all of this?

Well, I believe that women are national nurtures, it's within our DNA to give those who identify as female. And I feel like through the patriarchy and a lot of negative social programming, we've been pushed to give and give and give without giving to ourselves. And the whole point of this time period is to begin giving to ourselves unapologetically, acknowledging our gifts unapologetically, standing our ground unapologetically so that we then can continue to give from a place that is not full of resentment and negativity. Because we naturally want to give and to help, especially, not especially, but when it comes to the spiritual community, the metaphysical community, so often they've been women of great power and connection, and that were killed, or that had to go into hiding, or had to pretend cloak their practices or their religion with odes to Christianity or Catholicism, and we don't have to do that anymore.

And we shouldn't do that anymore. The secrecy doesn't need to be there. And I am hoping that women realize that if they can see things, if they can hear things, if they can heal, that there's a place for them and that they shouldn't feel as though that they are less than or that they are crazy or too sensitive, that they have been, given these gifts, definitely in other lifetimes, and they're here in this lifetime because finally, we don't have to pretend anymore.

Yeah, I mean, I'm so glad you said all that and are doing all that more importantly. It's, I've noticed over the years being relatively empathic for a man, exceptionally empathic, that women seem to grok this stuff in a way so much, so much more quickly. So, I mean, I can't even tell you, I have friends who are just really into paranormal stuff and psychedelics and psychic phenomenon and meditation in the mind, but to see them kind of like grow at it through like intellectual pursuits and things like that. I'm like, no, if you just drop that shit for like a little bit, you could actually get this without having to go.

I'm so glad you just said that I had a conversation of two women last night, we were talking about how, you know, how a lot of men they will sit for ayahuasca or they'll do mushrooms or LSD, and they'll have these profound experiences. And then they experience over and it's like, they zip up this like man suit and they're like, and doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo, I'm gonna post off mail again. And we're just like, what are you doing?

It's not right.

You know, it's like, it's that whole idea of control. Like, I have to control even the, or go to Burning Man. I have to control even the times when I'm not in control, instead of let me take that magical experience and implement it into my day-to-day existence so that I can continue to grow instead of just, you know, shrinking it down to like this one, you know, these few hours, it makes me so sad.

It's a hard, well, you know, there's obviously elements of cultural conditioning that are going to that, but I think there's also, it's just, it's not an innate ability, it seems for most men. I mean, I see my kid, my son is two years old. You know, he doesn't have these guards up, but you can also see, even in his nature, and I don't know how he's gonna identify sexually, but in his nature, you can kind of see already like these male kind of obstinate, you know, ego things coming up. Like, and I've seen girls his age, and they're a little bit like friendlier and nicer, and he's the sweetest little boy in the world.

I'm not talking saying anything negative, but you can kind of see, it's just not in the nature. I think when you have those, and what you're describing, by the way, is something I have always blown my mind specifically related to psychedelics, is how someone can have this intense, spiritually awakening, life-changing encounters, or with themselves, or God, or whatever it is, and then decompress after a few days, and then immediately their ego jumps in, and he's like, well, I have this great experience. Have you? Well, then you don't know. It's like, how does that happen? Like, where was that jump?

Like, when did it begin?

But I feel like that it has to do with, you know, communication when you're a kid, because I feel like, you know, I know some young kids, some of the children of some of my clients who are already obviously experiencing psychic phenomena are already connecting, and it's about, well, let's spend the day in the park and talk to the trees, or you're feeling really angry right now. Let's give that energy back to the Earth, 'cause it can transmit that into something beautiful. You know, opening that dialogue for communication so that these emotions don't get locked in for decades at a time, and then what?

Well, then you're like me, and then you have anger, anger, enrage issues that bubble up at in an opportune time. Yeah, no, don't, you know what I mean? Like, that's the beauty. It's the men that aren't communicating that feel locked within their own bodies, because of these preconceived notions of what being a male is, that just like, that break me apart, which is also obviously what we're doing with right now in this country.

Well, that's exactly it. Yeah, it's just, it's nuts. That's nuts.

That is nuts, and it's more nuts than anything than speaking with guides, because the truth is is that the disaffected, predominantly white males in this country are yet again being groomed to kind of believe this idea that, you know, things are fair for everyone else, and then they get a dose of like, some level of any type of level of not fairness. They're like, what the fuck is this?

Exactly. It's like, dare the universe do this to me.

You're kidding me.

It's like getting the fuck up.

It's so crazy. Well, I mean, it's something that I've specifically tried to speak more about, I mean, as a white dude with the podcast, you know, I routinely have to check to make sure that I'm not just kind of, you know, dismissing things that are going on in the world, and one of the things that I really kind of gotten on my, you know, moral outrage horse for is what's been going on at the borders with them taking kids and stuff.

Oh, absolutely. - And like, I just would love to hear more people who look like me just talk about it. You don't have to do anything else, but just be like, hey, yo, this is fucked up. 'Cause like--

Yeah.

It has to be.

Someone, you know, speaking up. I mean, I was talking to Justin about, you know, this whole horrible Nia Wilson.

Yeah.

And people calling out on Instagram, you know, Black women calling out white feminists and saying, you know, where are all my white feminists?

Yeah.

You know, like, instead of, you know, obviously it's all important, we need to talk about the earth, we need to talk about saving time--

Exactly.

We need to talk about, but, you know, you have a huge platform. Let's talk about, you know, black women, black men, black children--

That's right.

If you have a platform, it is absolutely your obligation, your obligation to do that.

Hi.

You know, I don't want to see a photo of like, a cute dog in a forest. Like, tell me that you know what's going on in the world so that other people can be informed.

Yeah, when you're saying this, I get a, I get the little tingles and chills. The truth is, like, that's what it is. Like, that is what is, that connection between Nia Wilson or someone who's had a horrible injustice happen to them or happening to them. Like, if you don't acknowledge that, you're cutting off some element of yourself. It means all of these other pursuits that you're aspiring to is Chokem Trunkba's glorified spiritual materialism. And that shit is the cancer that eats away at a true spiritual pursuit. It doesn't like destroy you. You're not going to die, work timeless and eternal, but it'll slow your shit down.

Well, it makes you, I feel like it makes you a fraud, especially in this period.

It does, thank you. Well, I, yeah.

Nothing and, you know, communicating and being more than and greater than and tuning in. If you're only tuning in to what serves you, then you're not truly being of service. And if you're a healer or facilitator in that capacity, that is your commitment to be of service.

That's right.

It's, you know, bumped up sophistry, which is where you're basically charging people for wisdom, which is fine to do if there's some service that it is actually helping. But if you're just doing it for yourself, like you are, that's what it is.

Well, we can talk about that too. You know, people that are charging like $1,000 or I can't, I mean, it just blows my mind.

I don't get it either. I mean, it's, I grew up, I grew up. My profession was started, you know, helping nonprofits in the spiritual world as a digital marketer. And that was born out of just seeing people rip people off with web-based stuff, but I mean, it's everywhere. It's literally rampant, some of your favorite, or not favorite, but most prominent teachers engage in this type of stuff. And I think it's really important to start, start talking about it and not stop talking about it because that, not to mention the karmic debt that they're inflicting on other people or the troubles there, but what always blows my mind is that the people who do that, who seemingly have some understanding of how this shit works, don't recognize that what they're doing to themselves karmically and what they're bringing and inviting into their lives is way worse than whatever benefit they're getting.

Like it just doesn't, it's nuts. It's fucking nuts.

Well, I mean, but I've had, you know, women talk to me even about like my pricing and ask, you know, why aren't you charging more?

Yeah.

Why don't you, and I'm like, why do you, first of all, why do you, why aren't you charging more? You know, what, who, is this hurting you? That I'm not charging more? And also, you know, I also feel like it has to do, because obviously people's price is what they charge change over time and it has to do with my own spiritual journey.

Yeah.

Maybe when I'm further along, I will charge a little more, but this is what I feel comfortable with where I am at, with what I am learning right now. I'm not gonna just like slap up price tag, a high price tag on something.

Right.

Unless I feel like I can give that person what that energy is worth.

And the converse is true too. Like just to be clear, like people forget that. I mean, especially artists or creative people who don't have, you know, there's not a fixed market value for what they're doing. Like it's the exact same thing. Like you'll feel it and just stay in tune with that, whether it's too much or too little, you'll get the signals there. That's super important.

Well, I also, I do wanna mention that some people in the healing community also, you know, are staunch believers in not charging anything or not knowing what their worth is. And I want, if any of those people are listening, I want them to know that you are being of service, you are exchanging energy. You are doing healing work. And in order to continue to do that, you have to be able to survive and eat and pray to everybody in your head.

Yeah, and because you will burn out. So make sure that you are getting something in exchange that feels appropriate to what you are giving so that you can continue this calling and being of service to others.

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, we have these weird axioms that, you know, the money is the root of all evil. And we can argue, you know, and debate, you know, where money fits in, but it's energy at the end of the day. You know, the person philanthropically giving away a million dollars is using the same money as someone who stole that million dollars from, you know, poor retired couple. So it's the same thing, it's neutral. It's what intention you have behind it. And if, you know, you know, you're honestly and ethically charging what you're supposed to be charging for whatever it is, like, you're good.

Like you're good.

Absolutely, I agree.

You know, well, truthfully, we could talk about, we could talk forever, but we're gonna, we're gonna wrap this up. We'll talk about the old lady in the rocking chair with the white hair sometime soon, hopefully. But when, you know, and also I wanna get back out to LA and see you guys because it was so much fun. Yeah, it was, it was awesome when I saw Justin. You know, out there and we did the offense. So hopefully something in our future is brewing, but before we go, I have three quick questions and then one slightly longer question and then we'll wrap it up. But thank you. So this has been incredibly fun.

And like I said, we could probably talk for hours on end, but we have lots, right? Yeah. So.

Balance.

Yeah, exactly. First question. What's your favorite color?

Oh. You know what's interesting? In the middle of you asking that, one of my guides said black and I was like, "Black." I don't think that's my favorite color. Maybe that's his favorite color.

Which guy was it?

Monty said black. But I think he said black 'cause I've been talking a lot about black, black magic, white magic, you know, being afraid of the dark. So I'm gonna stick with black. Black I think has a deeper meaning. So I will work on it becoming my favorite color.

Right now, it can be too. That's awesome. What's your favorite number?

Oh, three.

Cool. That was a big one for me for a long time. What is your favorite animal?

Ooh, that is actually a tough one. I'm gonna say my, so my favorite animal, I'll just, my strongest spirit animal right now is a tiger named Sam. So I'm gonna go with a tiger.

So in my head, I had cat, feline. That's interesting.

There you go.

We're doing it. There we go. So last question, what's a practical tip that has helped you in your life that you could share with people listening?

Trust yourself. You know what you should be doing. You have all the answers inside of you. If you just stop doubting and trust what you feel in your heart you should be doing, you will never go astray.

Mm, I love it. Asia, thank you. Again, so much for doing this. It's so much fun. Send just in my love and we'll hopefully see each other in person in the not too distant future.

Oh, thank you for having me. This was amazing. I mean, it's just been so much fun and I can't wait to see you in real life.

Yeah. All right, goodbye to you and your guides. (laughs)

Bye-bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

Thank you for listening to that episode. I hope you enjoyed it. Go check out Asia on Instagram. (laughs) It's a hard word for me to say for a second. At the Spirit Guide Coach, she has a website too. You can go check it out and book some of these consultations if you want or forget the word she uses with them, Spirit Sessions. It's pretty cool. I'm probably gonna do one myself. Not gonna lie about it. So that's it for this episode. Like I said, we got a string of awesome women coming up on the show, which I'm pretty happy about just because it's something I've wanted to do more of, have more women on the show and that's something that I'm doing.

And it hasn't been, in case you haven't noticed, I don't really do a tremendous amount of planning for guests. That caught up to me when I really didn't have a lot of time to do this podcast. I was like, oh shit, I got to know guests. However, when things are flowing and kind of working in the synchronistic way they tend to with this show, you get some really cool kind of veins of thought and ideas and wisdom. And I know from already having done many of these episodes that are coming in the next few weeks, I know you guys are gonna enjoy. So that's it. Oh, I just yawned in the middle of the outro.

(laughs) I'm a little tired. Thanks for listening and I will see you next week.