The Business of Spirituality

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Welcome to a bonus episode of Synchronicity. Did I just call it synchronicity? Let's go with synchronicity. I think I like that better. So last week, obviously, sorry. Didn't get an episode out. Labor Day, short week. Eli is not taking care of Fridays anymore, so that's just what it is. But, bear with me, I'm gonna be smoking during this episode. This episode is a bonus episode of me just talking about some things that have been on my mind for a while. And I'm trying to get some clarity on them. And the way I found that this actually helps is when I actually put out a podcast about it, 'cause I have to think about you who's listening, what you would imagine of this.

Sometimes you just think things in your head, and if you didn't share them, you might think they're right. And then you say them out loud, and you hear how it would sound to someone else, and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So bear with me as I took on this J, and kind of try to process something I've been thinking about for a little bit of time. Okay, so as some of you know, listeners of this podcast, people who know me in real life, I did a lot of work with spiritual organizations, nonprofits, in the spiritual world. What does that mean? It's kind of vague, it's kind of nebulous, meaning that I worked with organizations primarily that were founded around a particular teacher, or group lineage, and organizations then form around those teachers or philosophies, and then are put out into the world.

And the way that kind of interfaces with the West is they need to make money, right? I mean, that's how businesses and organizations, whether they're for profit or not for profit, function. They have to have revenue coming in to meet the demands of the costs and the organization they're running, and whatever they're doing, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, that's how things work. Money just, let's just go to the concept of money. I mean, I've weaved this through as much as I can from the inception of this podcast, I've had a very interesting relationship with money for the majority of my life, since I've been aware of it as a tool.

I'd like to be clear though that money, my view on money is that it's a neutral energy. It is not something that comes, nothing is baked into it that makes it good and or bad. It's the intent of the people who use it or the organizations who use it that determine whether it's a force for good or a force for bad. It's really that simple to me, and I think this is easily provable if you look at someone like, let's say you're someone who uses money to you make money by building for profit prisons, and you then lobby the government to put more people in prison because of unjust drug laws or immigration, whatever it is, that's an unethical way, in my a bad way, to make money from my perspective.

It's just not a good thing to do. There are better ways to make money if that's a goal of yours. Again, that's an example of money being used surp- it's bad, it's having a negative influence on the people who want to make it. And we're not getting into the whole concept of money here, but the idea is that, oh, well, look, money is the root of all evil. It's making these people who otherwise wouldn't maybe be as nefarious turning to just schmucks for lack of a better word. So there's one in the bad category. Then let's say you found yourself, you inherited a lot of money, and let's say your parents or your grandparents made money but providing a real service to people at a fair and reasonable price, whatever it was, and you decide in your life that you want to start working for some causes.

You want to get involved philanthropically in the world. That's a clear example, depending on how it's implemented of money being used for good. And there are obviously shades and gradients of all of these things in any direction. There can be examples where money is used for good and that's the pure intention, but over time, it kind of gets subverted into something else as more money is being made or the kind of ethos of the business or people changes. So I'm just bringing that out that this isn't ever something that's black and white, cut or dry, just a clear example of someone doing something bad and/or good.

However, I think there are examples where we can say sure, that is falling on a side where I don't think it's healthy if it continues on that track. And I know I'm being a little vague here. So let me tie this together. So having worked for a lot of these organizations and teachers and going in, I had a decision to make when I realized that I was able to make other people and companies money via digital marketing. And by doing things that I think weren't just following trends or latching on to some uptick and whatever was going on, but really coming up with coherent business philosophies, making sure we analyze stuff, just I knew I had a thing that worked because I had used it on a few private clients before.

So I had a decision to make. I said, listen, what do I want to do? Do I want to go get a job at a corporation? Do I want to go get a job at an agency or a business and work for other clients? I've had several offers to do that at the beginning and I was like, nah, I don't want to do that. What I'd like to do is find something that's close to my heart. I don't know what it is. Find something that means something to me, even if I get paid less, even if I don't get paid at all, which is definitely what happened at first. Almost the first year I did this, it was eight months. I didn't get paid at all to do work for a lot of these people.

I just really enjoyed and felt that I was working on something positive. So I made the decision to work with nonprofits and I'm not gonna drop names or anything. A lot of you know them. This is not my intention to attack a single group organization or person. Well, I may have inclinations to do that privately. I won't do it publicly. There's nothing to be gained by doing that. It's probably not even accurate. It's just my impressions of the situations that have happened. However, trying to find the use out of everything that has happened to me personally through this is something that I like to do.

I like to turn bad situations or negative situations into learning lessons and positive things, if possible. So one of the things that has emerged out of this is I have realized, probably, I probably realized this before I acted on it or before circumstances made it clear that it's something that had to be addressed, that a lot of these organizations have moved past the idea, even if it's stated explicitly, that this is to raise consciousness, to help people live better lives, that quickly stops becoming the main focus and what replaces it. It's still held up as the main focus, of course. You can't say, oh, no, I just wanna make money.

But it turns into how do we sustain revenue and income so we can continue to expand to the organization or to increase our pay or whatever it is or make sure we're having more revenue as we age, it's an individual. So this starts to come in and replace the original ethos of, hey, we're trying to make the world a better place. We wanna tangibly see that there are benefits in the world because of what we're putting out there. Now, if you're dealing with a medical nonprofit, like the Save a Foundation, for instance, that is going around and curing blindness in the world in impoverished countries, there's really no debate unless their books are cooked and they're just stealing money that that is having a positive impact in the world.

They're actively going and helping people on a regular basis. But when you start dealing with things like philosophies, outlooks, perspectives, ways to live, things to think about, just ways to be, things get a lot more nebulous in terms of what information is being presented and what the overall mission or function of an organization or teacher is. And that's something that I've been thinking about more and more lately because I've not only engaged with a lot of these organizations, philosophies, traditions, teachers on a personal level, but I've done it from behind the scenes, seeing how the sausage is made, so to be speak, so to be speak, so to speak.

And that is, it's not like this horrible secret cabal of evil people, but what I have noticed relatively reliably with some notable exceptions, and I'd want to be very clear about that, not everyone out there in this scene is just trying to make a buck as their primary motive, but many organizations and people are. And again, I don't think in the vast majority of these cases that it's some nefarious scheme. It's rather something that is just kind of emerged and is now the new protocol, kind of like an evil company like Monsanto or some of these other companies. I don't think the intention behind them, it could be, I could be naive, is to kill people and hurt people and destroy the environment, but once a system is in place that says, hey, the bottom line is what's most important.

We have to make sure we continue to make money to support expansion and growth, which growth is a key word here. We need to continue to make money, and we maybe are willing to cut some ethical corners to get there. I don't think they started out with like, yeah, let's just be the worst fucking company. Let's just be like terrible. Now, there certainly are companies that are started with only the primary aim of making money with no regard for any other broader impact, and that happens. But most of these organizations, any reputable or known spiritual organization entity, is most likely not starting from that place.

And that's very important to keep in mind. These aren't people or groups who are like evil people. It's just something along the way begins to replace what they were doing originally. And that's really common in anything that can happen in a relationship between people, between a job, a circumstance. I mean, this is not like some unique situation that's only applicable to the business world and more to the point, the spiritual business world, but it is something, nevertheless, that happens. So having seen all this and trying to implement change from the inside, I realize there's a tremendous amount of resistance to this type of thinking.

If you question the status quo, wherever it is, even if it's in some woo-woo spiritual organization, it's generally met with resistance because you're asking people to change or take a look at maybe some uncomfortable behaviors. And as we know, we don't really like to do that as people typically. However, if you can do that, it provides amazing benefits 'cause you keep yourself honest, you keep your organization honest. It's really, it's a wonderful thing to do. However, we're also dealing with a radical shift in spirituality and new age stuff in general. So to explain what I mean is, let's say 10, 15 years ago, you wanted to get some information about Buddhism, Western Buddhism, or Eastern philosophy through a Western lens.

You're probably only going to maybe a few hundred at most throughout history, figures and characters and teachers who have been speaking about the things that make sense to you or what you're looking for, right? You're looking for some, someone tell me what's going on with Bhakti Yoga, someone tell me what's going on with Taravada, Mahayana, I wanna know these different kind of ways of approaching spirituality from the East and the West. Who knows about Rudolf Steiner? Who knows about Telhar Deshardin? All these people, right? You needed to find someone who knew what they were talking about. So 10, 15 years ago, again, maybe dozens, maybe a hundred people who are active teachers with credentials that you could find and reliably trust as having wisdom.

Some wisdom that is gleaned and usually, they would have gotten their information or wisdom or whatever you wanna call it from deep intense periods of study, not just sitting at their desk and reading, but going out and studying in the East, in India, with Western mystics, all of the things, Native American cultures really embedding themselves and living the lives, not because that's the best way to do it, although it seems like a really good way, but because that's how you had to do it. There was no real easy access, and if we move back even like 30, 40, 50 years, we're talking about pioneers who really had to go very far physically to meet and understand, or at least put together a conception of what these different foreign ideas were about.

If we fast forward to today, obviously, we're in a radically different place in terms of access to information and everything that's going on, just like we have, we can learn about any subject, not necessarily correctly, but we can learn about any subject in a matter of minutes and hours before it could have taken years, or just not been possible at all. So we're seeing this shift from a blossoming of information and wisdom, which obviously, what comes with that is a lot of misinformation, a lot of bad stuff, a lot of hucksters, even more than before, because anyone can do, can be an expert nowadays on a lot of this stuff.

So we have this really weird shift going on where anyone can kind of be in a spiritual authority or set up an organization that's thriving and makes money now, right? Let's just be clear about that. Anyone can say, you know what, I'm the new this person. I teach this, come check it out, and if people flock and believe in that, that person's legit in those people's eyes. It might not be something that resonates on a deep level and lasts and permanent, but that's what's going on. So this all ties in, I promise you. In addition to people who are just claiming to be spiritual experts, there are, and I've noticed this, and a lot of these people have been on this show, there are more intuitive, psychic, whatever you wanna call them, people who are connected to something that at least is verifiable anecdotally and personally and experientially, that they're connected to something that we're not seeing in the physical realm.

Whatever that is, if it's via psychedelics, if it's via meditation, spirit guides, it's unimportant aliens, whatever it is, there are people who seem to genuinely have insights that are not available to the rest of us in certain regards. So we have, this is the situation just over there. We have this old guard of people back who went to India and all these other places and studied rigorously for decades, most of the time, who became experts in their field. They're usually the people who are very big on lineage and the importance of studying with the teacher, which I do think is important, of course.

However, how does that fit in with the new people who are popping up and maybe are well-versed in social media and just kind of the digital age, who are legit? What's the contrast there and what's the conflict there, more importantly? So I don't think it's a direct conflict. I don't think these people are really directly competing with each other at this point, but indirectly, they certainly are. And one of the things that this kind of relationship engenders is an adaptation from the old spiritual organizations, the older ones that have been longer around, longer, to kind of latch onto the new techniques and strategies of the younger generation or younger teachers who are legitimate.

What I absolutely have noticed happening for a lot of these organizations is that it is viewed as there's a pie and that they have to carve out their piece of pie. And if someone else carves out a piece of their pie, then they're not gonna get that and they're upset. And that is something that I've seen really dominate a lot of these organizations' mindsets. And it truthfully influences the content, the strategy, the decisions that are made both inside of the business and how to interact with people outside of the business. And I think it's getting to a very, very, very weird place, truthfully.

I see this not only with just the older guard, there are new people who are spiritual teachers now who are very active in marketing what they're doing. And a lot of these marketing courses and things that people will talk about is find your niche and let people know and hammer your avatar and don't be afraid of putting too much stuff out there and blah, blah, blah, blah. But what we begin to see is an overload of information and then it starts to turn into these weird platitudes. And I wanna be very clear that when someone like Ramda says love everyone, I don't view that as a platitude. The resonance in which he says that and the awareness of what that means isn't some trite, but an all like, hey, love everyone 'cause that's what you're supposed to do.

It's love everyone. Even if the people who I'm suggesting you love, you find it really hard. Those are the people you need to love. And I'm not just saying this is like, oh yeah, you know that, think about this, like just be love and do that now. That's really important. You know that this is a legitimate person. If an organization can form around that and kind of co-op that authenticity and rebrand it as whatever else their message is or whatever they think that person is talking about, I'm not just using rhombas here. This could be for anything. And even the individuals themselves who are that teacher this can sometimes happen to, shit gets weird.

It gets really weird because then we have people claiming authenticity for themselves when they're not actually the person who is, you know, bringing some of this really much needed and helpful stuff to so many people. I mean, I look at someone like Duncan Trussell who rhombas personally has clearly helped through really difficult situations in his life. There is no denying that. And that really for the culture at large and who Duncan has exposed other people to through rhombas has been amazing. But then we get this weird kind of, I don't know what to call it, kind of the organizations that form here basically becomes subservient to making money and how do we make money?

What can we sell to make money? Is it gonna be a retreat? Is it gonna be a product? Is it gonna be a course? Is it gonna be donations? And of course these things need to be thought about. I'm not saying, hey, like do whatever man, whatever makes money, that's the way it's supposed to be. But if it becomes a process of holding the dollar above everything else in terms of, are we really putting something useful out for people or is this just another way to get people who already like this person to give us more money? And unfortunately what that leads to, I think a lot of the time is the original resonance of these messages and teachings, whether people recognize it or not, they get watered down.

And these other elements begin to seep in. And I think the worst case scenario is that people can get disillusioned with the actual real message because it becomes clear that this isn't something that it was presented to be. This isn't a community or a person who really cares the way you thought they did. And this isn't to say that they're bad person, but they really don't kind of have, they're not thinking about the other people as much as you thought they were. And I look at this very clearly when organizations have phrases like, it's important to be honest, it's important to be truthful. Remember who you are, we're all interconnected.

And these are kind of the hallmarks of what a spiritual organization would say these days. But then you see how the actual organizations work. You know, it's disheartening, I think. And it's taken me seriously a good two plus years now to kind of decompress and process a lot of the experience and things that were happening while I was working for these organizations and also recognizing that many of these people and organizations are very prominent, are influencing really, really just huge numbers of people. And I'm the type of person I've said this plenty of times. I think if you eat something, the whole karmic chain from where that food came from to when it got to your plate, including the people who brought it to you, has an impact on what you're eating.

So I believe that with a weed, the people who grew it to how you get it, it has an impact on the effect on your consciousness. I really do believe that. In the same way, I think that teachers who, teachers and organizations who are honestly and earnestly, doing this for, because this is something they have to do. And furthermore, this is something they feel would be a benefit to other people as the primary drive, as the primary reason that they're doing this. Those people really deserve a lot of credit, but I think it's very important to realize that there are way more people out there who are not doing it for that reason.

It's a business to them. It's the business of spirituality. And I think it's important to be aware of this more and more now because a lot of people will say, "Well, all of these new spiritual teachers, "they're all Huxters. "How can this person be a sham? "And how can this person be that?" And I think for the most part, that's pretty fair. Most of this stuff is people kind of maybe waking up to some latent psychic potential and then thinking that they're God's gift and they have some special thing. But for every, you know, 10 of those, there are people who are legitimately good at this stuff and have something to offer.

So this contrast between these organizations who are now just to be clear, few and far between are the teachers and organizations that I think are doing what they set out to do or doing some authentic level of spiritual business. And I don't think that's a term that can't exist. I'm not exactly Socrates saying that all sophists are evil, anyone who charges for wisdom is wrong and it's unethical. I think there is a way to make money by being in the spiritual business, but it's so much harder than doing it in any other way. Not that it's harder to make money, it can be easier in some instances, truthfully, but that it's harder to walk that line, that razor's edge, without falling onto the, into the realm of just like, all right, this is a biz now.

This is what we gotta do. What's our nut? How much money do we need this much to pay our employees and get all this stuff out and not let that take over the entire kind of business? And you would be surprised, I can guarantee you this from people who know in my crypto sync server and I've spoken to privately about this, you would be surprised who some of these people are. And they're really good at crafting personas that they've crafted for decades or not even that long in some instances. And it's just if you get to know them and deal with them in some other levels, it's not that they're the horrible people, it's just that you realize very clearly this is a persona.

This character of so-and-so is someone they're presenting so they can kind of give you a message without you questioning it. So all this whole kind of rant from me is not to discourage anyone who's getting into these things. And if anything, I'm more encouraged after I kind of realized this and had some ramifications personally and professionally from this type of stuff. I'm more encouraged since then because I've found so many awesome people, truthfully, so many awesome people from all age groups, from all demographics who are doing really fucking cool things. Really authentic, just beautiful, whether it's art, whether it's teaching, whether it's helping, whether it's speaking, whatever it is, I've met so many of them.

Have I met a lot of people who are just total con artists and bullshit people? Yeah, of course. But I've met so many other people who are continuing to do what's in their hearts and what's important for them to do to help other people or to communicate their truth before their desire to make money or whatever. And let's just be clear. A lot of some of these people are doing really well financially because of this and they should. And I think it's a beautiful thing. And I think if you can't share in people's successes and you get upset every time someone has something good happen to them, that's not good.

You wanna cultivate mudita, right? Sympathetic joy. This is an important skill. So it's not that you want people to succeed. You want people to earn a living on what they are doing to help themselves and help other people. But it is also really important to recognize that maybe some of the more prominent organizations and teachers out there, not all the cases that the teachers themselves sometimes, aren't really looking out for you, truthfully. And I don't say this is someone who's speculating. I say this from having conversations and knowing how people are kind of lumped together as customers or people who we need to get to sign up for this.

And that's fine. Like you can have customers and people who need to sign up stuff, but there are people who really put kind of the focal point of what's going on. And then another thing that's really important to look out for, people who are part of large organizations, spiritual organizations, what are their motives? How do they benefit? What are they doing within these organizations to really like justify them taking a salary from oftentimes money that comes in for people who are maybe giving to a teacher or someone else? What is their role on that? Are they there to embolden themselves and make themselves bigger, to make more money, whatever it is?

It's important to look at these things because I think as we see more and more of these instances of things like Shambhala and a lot of these MeToo things from Noa Levine, all of these things kind of coalescing now. They're all kind of coming together. We're getting more episodes of, or reportings of sexual misconduct and conduct and abuses of power. It's important to understand that these things don't happen in a bubble and a culture forms around those organizations and those people to enable them to do that. If it wasn't like that, then any instance of misconduct would immediately be snuffed out 'cause it would be so counter to what is actually going on that people are like, "No fucking way."

So there has to be a culture in these organizations that allows this type of stuff to propagate. And the truth is, is that I think it starts first with the concept of a spiritual business. Doesn't mean that a spiritual business inevitably leads to bad things, but if not constantly checked and kind of looked at, it seems to be the case. And for every instance of sexual misconduct or abuse of power that you hear about, know that there are dozens, if not hundreds more, probably related directly to that organization. And I won't get into too much more about that, but trust me that this stuff is to be looked at with open eyes.

You don't want to get suckered into something or believe in something because of some need that you're trying to feel. And this is where I kind of get on my high horse a little bit and I get a little indignant about this stuff is, a lot of times people looking for spiritual communities or trying to interface with new ideas are hurt people, are people who really are wounded, who are vulnerable, who need help more than people who can kind of navigate life without, you know, going through psychological turmoil at all aspects, you know, whatever it's trauma, whatever it is. And when community is presented or an organization is presented as a safe space where everyone is family, everyone is friends and that a may or may not be the case, but the real kind of inner workings of this are, hey, we'd like you to pay for our stuff or yeah, we're all friends if you're helping us, if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

But as soon as those things kind of evaporate, you can see really what people are made of. And I really consider myself fortunate and a lot of these instances, while it hasn't been good for my bank account at times, it hasn't been good for my stress levels, hasn't been good for my hair loss, I think the lessons that I've learned when these kind of shitty situations come to light have been invaluable and I truthfully wouldn't trade them for anything. It's kind of how I look at, you know, my synchronicity episodes when I got launched into another dimension for multiple months and then came crashing down.

The crashing down was awful. It was truthfully like I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but I don't want to change that experience. It led to so many insights, it's led to this podcast, it's been a useful thing for me. So I wouldn't change any of the negative experiences I've had with these organizations because it's really helped me look at this. Like now when I see, you know, someone putting out this or sign up for this or do this or come visit us here, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, I have another perspective on it. Now what's been difficult for me is how to separate my personal feelings about people and organizations.

From like this broader theme of, I think we need to be more aware of how these businesses operate. You know, we ask this about major corporations, you know, how are they making their money and is that an ethical thing to do? I think we need to be looking at this, not only for just spiritual organizations, but for ourselves too. I'm an entrepreneur, I start businesses, started four or five businesses in the past 10 years. Some have been very successful, some have been miserable failures, but you have to look at why you're starting these businesses. And if the goal is just to make money, that's okay, state that, be clear about that.

If that's your primary, I just listened to Ron Turner's biography of John D. Rockefeller. But dude was an asshole. He justified it to himself through moral righteousness. And this is where I started to really kind of flesh out this connection between this idea of we're doing the Lord's work, therefore almost anything we do is justifiable. And I'm not saying that these organizations are using Rockefeller in methods, but it is not totally a useless analogy or metaphor for that. So yeah, this is really just to say, keep your eyes open, keep your ears open, pay attention to people who you really like, you feel you can ask honest questions too, and you'll get an honest answer for.

I think one of the easiest things to ferret out in spiritual teachers, gurus, organizations, whatever, is if you just get the feeling that this person isn't being honest to you, acknowledge that. Because every time I've pushed one of those feelings aside, it is usually proven to be true, and verifiably so, not just an inclination. So I think it's really important that if you just get like, there's some kind of bullshit going on here. You know, what is this? What should I be? I don't, this doesn't feel right. Pay attention to that. Doesn't mean you're always right. You can be suspicious. You can be paranoid.

Plenty of those things happen. But, you know, in the context of a spiritual organization or teacher, I think that's an important signal that we tell ourselves. 'Cause ultimately, let me be very, very clear about this, about spiritual organizations, communities, and everything else. They're great. You should be connected with other people. It's a really powerful thing on whatever path you're on. Let me just make this abundantly fucking clear. It's you. You're the person who brings yourself through all the changes that you go through, the awareness, the insights, it's you. It's yourself. Yes, you're connected to everything else.

Yes, we're all one, but it's you. You have the inner power to do whatever you wanna do. You have the inner fortitude, strength, wisdom. It is there. This is something that every single mystic has said throughout time from Carl Jung to Bob Marley to Ramakrishna. They're all talking about the same thing. So that's really important to remember. The moment you latch on to some other thing, some external source and they will willingly say, "Yes, we have all the answers. Listen to us, tune in to us. We got everything." The moment you completely give up your personal power in that situation, the moment those people got you.

And then especially, and I found this out personally from being welcomed into a spiritual community, open arms. And thank God there are so many people in that community who I still know and cherish to this day, but welcomed in with open arms as soon as things got a little funky, interpersonally, professionally. Oh, no, Maas. And I wasn't the first person that's happened to. I saw it happen with multiple friends who got welcomed into this community. That shit is wack, right? That is just, that's not the way it's supposed to be at all. And I think that if you forget that it's you, and you're the person who brought yourself here, you're the person who surrounded yourself with these people and learned the things, not 'cause they're bad and you're an idiot, but because there maybe is some kernel of truth that you latched on to, but these people were telling you some other story about it.

So just remember that you have everything you need to succeed. It's just not even speaking about fucking platitudes, but I really do mean this. It's you. You can, you have ultimate creativity. You have ultimate flexibility, mentally, psychologically, even if it doesn't feel like it, to seek out other people who make you better. It's like any other relationship. If you get involved with the wrong spiritual organization or the one that's not right for you, it's not gonna be pleasant, even if it's pleasant for a little bit. But when you really earnestly and honestly say, you know what, I just wanna connect with people who are legitimate.

That can serve as a beacon, and you're not always gonna get it right, but it can really help you find people who are looking for the same thing. Not looking at this as a way to kind of sustain their business or make sure they can live out their end years, you know, more comfortable than they originally anticipated. Not that type of shit, but people are like, you know what, life is fucking crazy. Life is weird. I don't really know exactly what's going on, but I know that I like being around other people who are asking the same questions as me, and just make me feel good to be around. So yeah, that's basically this episode.

I know this is kind of like a ranty one. Some of you like it, some of you don't. I know I get mixed feedback on all of that. I am recording a podcast later today that will be out, if not tomorrow, then early next week. So we'll catch up on makeup for these kind of missed one last week. But yeah, solo, dodo, podcast, that's what we got. No ads on this one, no anything, or should I do an ad? No, I'll do an ad in the actual episode. Big thanks to everyone who listens, and rates and reviews, and supports on Patreon, and all of the other ways that you can support the show. I really appreciate it. I'm gonna do this no matter what, right?

If we drop down to one listener, zero listeners, I'm gonna do this. I find cathartic, I find the practice of speaking to people every single week to be transformative, and I really like doing it. So don't worry if I miss one here and there. We've been pretty consistent almost over three years at this point, we're gonna keep 'em going. Much love to you, and I will see you soon. Bye bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

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