Practical Astrology #2 with S.J. Anderson

(upbeat music) Welcome to Synchronicity. We have another episode of Practical Astrology with SJ Anderson. We'll be inviting other astrologers to us. If you're an astrologer want to do this, and you have some shit to say about a lunar cycle of 28 days or some other stuff, come on, hit me up, let's do it. Basically, we're going over astrology. Let's be honest, what this really is, is Noah learns astrology through smarter people than him, and that's exactly what I'm doing. Today, we deal a lot with aspects, specific planets related to energies of deities and just how this relates to the natal chart, how to use astrology practically, not just as some esoteric modality, how to use it as a map as a tool.

You will also understand astrology's place in your life that it's a tool, it's something we use, but don't ever forget you're your natal chart, but you're also the whole fucking zodiac, which means you can do whatever you want. There may be a more auspicious time and an easier time to do something where you may go through the odyssey, like Odysseus and put yourself through a lot of challenges to get things done and depending on what's going on in linear time and the energies of these planets, which represent deities, which represent qualities, which are in us because we're everything. You may find this stuff relatively useful. So this is, SJ is amazing. Go check him out on Twitter. Listen, SJ is an ascending star. That's all I can say. He has a very practical and empirical take on astrology, and he really, right now, I mean, he focuses on a lot of things, but the seven traditional planets are what he likes.

And there's something about keeping it simple that I think is incredibly powerful and below the surface, his wisdom, what he doesn't let on is just you hear it come out and dribs and drabs, but man, he is in the flow with this stuff. He's really, he's really living it, which is amazing to see. So go check him out. Twitter is where I connect with him, but I know he has other stuff in the works. 2020 should be a fun year for him and everyone connected to him. So go check that out right and review this podcast. We're going to be incorporating more things like this. I want to do more regular features about astrology and some of the more divinatory arts.

And, you know, I'm trying to balance this with music and life. Eli just started a new school, a Waldorf school. Why do you hear something weird about imagination? I just, it occurred to me after the fact and this will happen a lot when you do. Imagine I'll actually realize, Oh my God, I did it. Then it happened. Now I know it. Oh my gosh. Like seven years ago, Eli's three and changed. So way before I even knew I wanted to have kids. Really. I was like reading Rudolph Steiner. And I was like, you know, this dude is really awesome. I just started reading him. He's a real hardcore mystic 20th century mystic and basically I found out he was the father of biodynamic farming and founded these schools called Waldorf schools. And they're pretty fucking amazing. And I was like, you know, I have a kid. He's going to go to a Waldorf school and lo and behold, ten minutes from our house. He's at the Waldorf school.

It's a magical place. A big part of what they do is you have to help out in at the school. You know, you take care of the grounds. There's animals. There's gardens. It's just like a community and it's based around the children and the kids are so smart. They teach the parents as much as the other way around. And it's just awesome. And it's a nice little template. Not saying you have to go to Waldorf schools, but it's a nice template for how to be in the world when you're kind of just loving everything. So it's cool. It's awesome. Imagination rules. Go check out the mega mix. If you want to. I know on podcast, you can speed things up. A lot of people do that. I already talk kind of fast most of the time. I don't know if there's an option to speed things down or slow. They speed things down.

But that mega mix because Alexis told me she's like you're going really fast in the mega mix. I'm like, well, people can pause. So maybe I'll do another mega mix at some point with more techniques and I'll try to talk more slowly. You got to catch the wave, though. Moves kind of fast these days. All right. That's it. Without further ado, here's episode two of Practical Astrology with SJ Anderson. All right. Let's get started, man. I'm excited to talk astrology with you this week because, or this month, I should say, this lunar month, whenever we last booked because I've learned a lot. Since we last spoke, and I still don't know way more than I know, but I now understand conjunctions. I understand planets and asteroids and their relationship to various energies related to deities from the Roman.

Primer, I guess they're what, like most of the planet names we use, use the Roman names. Is that right for the planets? I think I think Greek or Roman, but I think maybe the Roman is more the Latin name is more popular during our lifetime. Just because I think the, you know, the Latin is something that was in wider use when we were kids maybe but the Greek has had a revival because of some of the translations. And so a lot of people will go back to the Greek names. That's cool. I like that because that's what I've been doing. It's really cool. Basically, I didn't understand. And like I also now I have this, I like this app Astro Future and it shows me my natal chart and like a picture of the transits and like where all the planets are and where they line up in the signs.

And I also, I delved more into houses when I'm looking at charts and stuff. And I don't know, like it just a lot more started to click. But the biggest thing for me is I had a reading done by someone and she basically was like, yeah, you should, she was very electional about it. She's like, this transit is taking place in about three years. This is a big deal. And she started saying all this stuff. And this is someone I trust a lot. And she started talking about certain like energies, like Lilith and Athena. And she's like, you should research these things. And then when I started researching them, they led to like crazy synchronicities and all these other things.

So I mean, my eyes are even more opened to the astrological world, but I'd love to hear what's going on currently. We have a full moon tonight here in Pisces, right? Yeah, a full moon here in about, I'd say four hours, maybe a little under four hours in Pisces. And yeah, it's a really, I think it's a real tangible energy. I know on Twitter, a lot of people are talking about feeling it. And I certainly have been feeling this quite, quite intensely. You know, it's, there's a lot of Virgo energy. You know, Virgo is the sign opposite Pisces. And so a lot of the times we talk about signs as an axis of signs, because they're all, they're on that same, you know, there's a sign and then there's the sign opposite to sign.

So they come in pairs. And Virgo and Pisces are on that same axis. And right now we have four planets in Virgo, including the sun. Yeah. And of course, every full moon has the moon opposite the sun. Yes. And so you're really highlighting both of those signs and they're mutable signs, which means changeable or transition signs. And so often these are signs of shifting energy, moving out from one place and going to another place. These signs mark the seasonal transitions. And so I think that's where that signification comes from. But, you know, we're moving out from summer transitioning into fall.

And so, you know, this comes with football season. It comes with going back to school. I mean, there's a lot of things that are shifting. Yeah. During this time of year. But yeah, I'm definitely feeling the energy big, big Virgo Pisces energy and Neptune is in Pisces. Yeah. So there's a lot of talk of that Neptune confusion really being highlighted. People suggesting, you know, staying at home is okay. I've seen a lot of astrologers. I follow talking about rest and just it's okay to do nothing. And that's kind of where I've been at. Yeah, that Neptune in energy. It's been very weird. And I think, you know, I'm just looking at my little app here. It also looks like Venus and Mercury are about to move out of Virgo into Libra.

Which is interesting too, because there's, like you said, there's so much jammed up, including it looks like Lilith. Is that Lilith? I don't know. There's something. What is the one with like, it looks like an asterisk and a circle below it? I don't know. So I'm not someone who's gone too much into Lilith. Let me get up. Sorry, I just tried to open some software. Let me just get up. No, no, no problem. Okay. I just don't want it to mess to shape with the Skype here. Let me get up. Let's see where Lilith is. I have an app on the phone that I really like. I think, yeah, I use Astro Future. I love it. I have been doing Astro Gold, which is kind of some industry standard, you know, solar fire is kind of the industry standard software.

And that company makes this app called Astro Gold. Hold on. I'm getting it right now. I'm getting it right. Yeah, I highly recommend it. The thing about Astro Gold and solar fires, they use the Swiss ephemeris, which means that they license data. It's expensive from JPL and from, I think it's JPL data license from, I'm not sure the name of the other company, but basically it's about the data. And so you have this really precise data that goes into producing the images that you're looking at. Yeah, Lilith has like a, it's like a, it's like a moon with a plus symbol below the moon. Yeah. Yeah. I think, isn't it in?

Virgo right now. It's right in Pisces. No, it's in Pisces. It's in Pisces. Okay. I'm a black moon, Lilith. Again, this is not, I'm not an expert at some. I'm really hesitant. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. Asteroids are just not black moon, Lilith is actually, I think a hypothetical point as well. It's not a real point. And I'm not sure how it's calculated. Yeah. So I would, I would be able to research. Well, the reason I bring that up, even though it's not where I thought it was, is it was pointed out to me on my natal chart that it's basically at my nadir, right? Like this, what do they call it? The IC.

And basically she was like, listen, this is the deepest part of your unconscious. This is what this represents. And like, Lilith is like the raging divine feminine. I was like, all right, I got to start researching this stuff. The reason I got very interested in asteroids is because I really like to look at the qualities and energies that cultures ascribe to these celestial bodies because I find that that energy. Let me ask you this, when you say, you know, very strong Pisces and Virgo energy, what does that, what qualities do you ascribe to each of those signs related to like tonight's full moon?

Yeah. So that's so for me, the signs that think when I think about a sign that the first thing I go to is which planet rules to sign. Okay. And we have different types of rulership. So domicile rulership is thought of maybe as the most strongest form of rulers or the strongest form of rulership traditionally. And that's, you know, the planet each planet is assigned to one or two signs as their home. We think about it like this is their home. They own these homes. Great. And so that's the number one place that I go to when I think about the significations of the sign. Pisces is ruled by Jupiter. Virgo is ruled by Mercury.

Oh, and so right away we can start kind of mining the significations of Jupiter, Mercury. Jupiter is a planet of expansion, right? People talk about if it's corrupted, maybe over expansion too much of things. Is that Zeus and Hermes too? Like the related deities? Okay, cool. Absolutely. That's the Greek Zeus and the Greek Hermes. Absolutely. Cool. Cool. Cool. And whereas, whereas Mercury is a planet of particularity of analysis, and especially in Virgo, people think about it as a, because Virgo is an earth sign. And so you have kind of the analysis, the mental that comes from Mercury, but used in relation to earth. And so people will often talk about Virgo is like people want to clean.

They want to organize. They want, you know, so, but it comes from the Mercury influence, the Mercurial influence, and then from, so the second place I would go to first to analyze the sign is the element. And each, each sign is assigned an element. There's four elements, 12 signs. So there's three signs per element. And so Pisces is a water sign. And Virgo is an earth sign, and they're both feminine. So then the signs are also assigned to gender. Right. Water and earth are the feminine and fire and air would be the masculine. Absolutely. That's right. And so then the third thing that I would go to, and aside from rulership, the other three are kind of mixed together. I don't really say once more important than the other, but the last is the mode of a sign.

We call it the mode. That's the modality. And you have cardinal fixed and mutable. And the cardinal signs are the signs of initiation of change of a new energy. And it's maybe the strongest form of that energy, the initial birth of that energy. Fixed signs are where that energy is the most fixed, where it's been stable already for a, for a cease for one month. And now it comes in its fullness. So like Leo, for example, is the height of the summer. It's when the sun is at its most hot. And then mutable energy is that transition period where it kind of overlaps to, it's an overlapping sign. And so they call it by corp corporeal in the sense that it has two bodies from one seed into the next. And so that's what I look at.

The other thing I will say about that is that rulership. There's other forms of rulership too, which I think are quite important when analyzing a sign. So you have domicile rulership, some signs have an ex, an exaltation ruler. Yeah. Every sign has a triplicity rulers, which is a group of three planets that rule that, the rule that sign. And those are the main, the triplicity rulers I also bring in when I analyze a sign. And it'll tell you just kind of what other planetary energies are, are influencing the sign. But yeah, so, so, you know, for me, I really, I think the mutability part of this is really what I'm feeling.

It's a transition period. And I really, and, you know, like, again, I think we see that manifested in things like school, like here where I am, everybody's just going back to school. You know, everybody's, the schedules are enough people. The summer, people were doing a certain thing, and now they've had to change their lives in a pretty tangible way. Yeah, for sure. Do I have this right that mercury, both rules and is exalted in Virgo? That's correct. Yeah. It's the only planet that's exalted in the same sign that it rules. So interesting. Virgo is really having a moment these past few weeks. There's like everything is joined in it. It's a good opportunity to learn.

I like what you're saying about the energy too. I mean, I felt, I refer to today as like kind of a reflection day. It really, it felt like there is kind of this exactitude of introspection that I've been noticing. And I've also been able to kind of connect with the way I used to felt feel the way I used to felt the way I used to feel before I kind of stabilized a different mode of consciousness. And I'm, I'm attributing that mainly to the water sign of Pisces and just kind of like really getting deep in those feelings. And yeah, it feels very much transitional and it feels kind of like, at least for me today, Friday the 13th, like a very profoundly feminine energy thing.

And it just feels like this is a glimpse of the past. And we're having an opportunity to kind of reconcile and deal with it. And I think we can feel the future creeping its way in and unfolding. And I don't know, it's kind of like a nostalgic period is what it feels like for me. And it does seem like staying at home is, you know, my son signs cancer. So all always be up for that. But it does really, today has been a very unique day amongst many unique days for me over the past few weeks and months. So yeah, there's the full moon always gets it going, huh? Always and the other night I was not last night for the night before I just couldn't sleep. Oh, me neither, dude. It was crazy. I was like, what the fuck there must be a full moon. Then I looked and it's like, oh, it's right now coming right up. Oh, I know.

Yeah, I noticed too, I get a lot of messages from people during this time, like, like friends and even on social media, I'll get more contact more people reaching out. So I definitely feel a sense of being overwhelmed a little bit. I mean, it's fine. I can handle it, but it's just, there's like, wow, a lot more people to follow up with and engage with. Yeah. So there's that going on. And then at the same time, you've got, like you're saying, the sense of memory. I think the moon, there's a quality of memory, I think, that comes with the moon. I mean, the moon. It is our home. It represents our home and astrology. It represents the mother. And, you know, for me, the mother figure is very much about memory because as we grow older, we come out from the womb, we go into the world.

Right. And so there's really a sense of that past. I think there's a nostalgia for the protective layer that is the mother. And there really is, I mean, I think a visceral nostalgia for the ultimate protection, which is the womb, where you have the food coming right into your, through your belly button. Yeah. And you have to do nothing. You know, it's what the oceanic bliss. What did Ford call it? Yeah. Yeah. And so that's, you know, I do think there's something primal about about it. And yeah, the femininity is really high right now, that feminine energy. Yeah, enveloping. Yeah. But it's also enveloping, right? I mean, it's passive, but it's enveloping. And I heard my friend, Jessa, who I just had on talk about this.

And I don't think it was a recent one she did on our podcast, Mormon and the Method, where she was talking about how the feminine, you know, most people have tapped into that there's a strong rebalancing that's going on. And this starts with a very large surge of feminine energy. And, you know, feminine energy also has a tendency to consume and envelop and basically take over. And this is a period where if you're trying to stabilize the masculine, you got to like be on your toes, because this stuff is just the wash. And then I'm looking here also that Neptune also rules Pisces. And you mentioned that it was in Pisces right now, which is a really profound, I really opened up to kind of the Neptuneian, you know, underworld, like ocean, like we're talking about oceanic oceans of bliss, like Neptune was beside in.

That's why the sign kind of that's how I remembered what Neptune looks like. It looks like the Trident and Planet wise. And, you know, for me, the ocean represents the unconscious. It represents the aspect of ourselves, like, you know, we're the wave and the ocean. You know, the individuated sense is the wave. Everything else is the ocean. And I really feel like that is a strong kind of pole right now. And it might be unfamiliar for a lot of people because like, you know, when you go into the beach, you don't want to get sucked in by the undertow because you'll go deep into the ocean, which is like, you know, typically not good for a human being.

Psychically, it does feel like the time to kind of get familiar, you know, with at least what's going on for me for the next few months. What else is going on astrologically, you know, in the coming 28 days and then also, you know, we're getting closer to the last quarter of the year. You know, what are some themes that you're looking at? Is there stuff going on with Jupiter and other things? What's going on? Yeah, yeah. Well, so I will say, when we talk about ocean, traditionally, that's signified by Saturn. Ooh. And Saturn is the ocean because it's the farthest reaches of the sky, the slow-moving planet.

And so it was considered the last sphere before the sphere, the thick star. So it was the farthest planetary sphere away from us. And so therefore, it was like the ocean, you know, it's far away from us. And Saturn, you know, there's great risk that comes with ocean journeys. You often read in the source materials that, you know, traveling is dangerous on the ocean. And so I think there is this kind of fear element that comes with diving into that deep, unseen as, you know, of the ocean as you were kind of a prayer. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of too. You got to be a dolphin though. You can't be a human. You're going to die. You can't live out there.

If you're dolphin, go chill down there. It's all good. For sure, for sure. And, you know, I, one way to examine the skies, we just take a look. We can say which planets are in feminine signs and which planets are in masculine signs and just get a measurement of the energy. And if you're just looking at the seven traditional, which I, that's how that's kind of my main lens. Yeah, I will go deeper. I will check out Neptune. I will check up Pluto. But if we bring in the three modern outer planets Neptune Pluto and Uranus, all of those are also in feminine sign. Yeah. So, but just the seven traditional you have every planet is an effeminate sign. So six of the seven are in feminine signs right now.

Whereas it's, and if you add the three outer, you've got what is that nine of 10. And so we are dealing with this, this heavy feminine energy. I will say, though, on to go further and answer your other question. That's going to change today. So today I'm in the morning now. By the time I go to sleep tonight, we'll have two planets enter Libra. Yes, yes. I see we have Mercury and Venus. Is that right? Yeah, and they just conjoined last night. So it's kind of nice. Nice. I think that's why I felt a bit. I was actually starting to feel better and just more kind of grounded as that conjunction happened on a Friday to nice on the Venus day. That's nice.

Yeah, and it's sort of adding just that Venusian. I mean, Mercury is the ruler of Virgo, both by exaltation and domicile Venus is a benefit. And so as they sort of kiss there right in those final degrees, it just like a little sweetness was added. That's cool. I like that. What? Yeah, how long? Yeah, you know, you go. You go. Okay. Yeah. So I'm just saying that you enter Libra. And by the time we get to early October, we will have had three planets in Libra for most of September for the second half of September, because the sun will enter Libra in about six days, seven days, right, and join them. Mars enters Libra, the leave on the third of October. Let me get that exact here right around the third of October.

And so as Mercury leaves Libra, Mars will enter Libra. So I think the whole time most of Libra season will include three planets there, which added to Jupiter and Sagittarius means we'll have four of the seven and masculine signs. So I think the energy is about to be quite masculinized. And I like what you said about this as a kind of a pause moment, whereas we're kind of preparing now for for maybe the rest of the year, because we're not going to have this kind of feminine energy for a while. And the other thing is that the big other thing that's going to be happening is Mars will be making a square to Saturn. And we could talk about aspects at some point, but that's one of the more difficult aspects. No, let's talk about aspects right now.

I want to learn more about them, because that's what I know the least about right now. Well, before we get to ask one quick question, it's really easy to answer. How long does Jupiter stay in Sagittarius for? Well, they go through the whole zodiac. And Jupiter entered Sagittarius last year, and it will be entering. That's the big, the other big story you asked about Jupiter and Saturn in the last quarter of the year. There's a big story coming up for both Jupiter and Saturn. Saturn will go direct before on the 18th, so in four days, which means it will, it's dead still in the sky right now, and it's going to be moving into direct motion.

Moving forward again into zodiac making progress, and we'll have all seven planets direct. And so I think that's also again a mask more of a masculine energy where you have movement forward forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is cool. Yeah, and then the other thing is Jupiter will enter Capricorn. So he'll be going from Sagittarius his home to Capricorn his sign of fall. Oh, fuck. He'll be there for a year, and with co-present with with Saturn. And so this is the this is actually I think the biggest story of the last of the of the next year. Yeah, is the Jupiter Saturn dance in Capricorn. And the real question is how much will Jupiter mitigate. Maybe some of the issues that can often arise with Saturn and Jupiter coming together. It's the start of a new 20 year cycle.

He's there to help. What? What does Saturn represent deity wise who Saturn. Chronos. Oh, shit. Chronos. Oh, shit. A Titan. Father time. Oh, fucking. Hey, okay, so that's a mother. So 20 years of that. Oh, people are in for such a trip. Holy shit. Well, 20 years. It takes 20 years between the meeting of Saturn and Jupiter between meetings. The two. And how long do they meet for though a year. They'll meet for a year, because depending on your opinion, depending on how you. Yeah. Oh, dude, 2020 is going to be so. 2020 is going to be nuts. And 2020, it's going to culminate in on the 21st of December, 2020 on the solstice, where they will actually perfect that meeting. And it'll be in Aquarius.

What does that mean? Perfect. That means like they can conjunct or. Yeah, exact conjunction. Wow. So you perfect aspects get perfected when they become exact by degree. Hold on. I just want to look at my Aquarius stuff. Oh, man, this is nuts. How long does Neptune stay in signs for. I think about 12 or about 14 years. Okay. I know I'm going outside of your seven, but I just. Oh, that's fine. No, we can go outside of it. I mean, I do use those planets. It's just maybe not in as in the same way as a modern astrologer. Right. I like to check in with them. I think that when they change signs, it can be very important. I think, especially from a mundane astrological perspective, I'm really interested in some modern astrological work that shows that they have a dramatic effect on the in the mundane.

For example, Uranus engressed into tourists in 2010, and we had the Fukushima earthquake tsunami and then the Fukushima incident almost immediately. So you can sometimes see very tangible manifestations. Others talk about. So Jupiter and sat, sorry, Saturn and Pluto were opposing each other when 9/11 happened. Right, together. And they're together right now, basically. And then yeah, at the square, which is 90 degrees. So just quickly a circle has 360 degrees. Yeah, it's 360 degrees. And so we can measure where the planets are by by analyzing how many degrees they are from each other along the circle of the ecliptic.

And the opposition would be 180 degrees. The conjunction is zero degrees or 360 degrees, but the square is 90 degrees. And so during the financial crash in 2008, the Saturn Pluto square was happening. They were in a 90 degree relationship roughly. And so people, this is what these kind of mundane astrologers that really focus on Pluto are saying, well, we've got Saturn and Pluto coming in. Saturn and Pluto coming together in January 12, 2020. Oh, don't the Saturn will catch up to how quickly does Pluto move? So Pluto is strange because it can move through a sign as quickly as like maybe 12, 13 years or as long as like 30 to 35.

Yeah, it doesn't have a consistent orbit, a continuous orbit. It changes speed. Who's Pluto associated with? So the modern astrologers have, there's debates, but they talk about, let's see, the God of the underworld, which is named Hades, Hades, the underworld. Others, I think, yeah, so it's more of this underworld energy, this going to the transformation, death, generation. What you might like this, I mean, a lot of modern astrologers ascribe significations to those three planets by looking at what was happening at the time of their discovery. And so Uranus, what's happening right around the revolutions in France, Uranus was discovered around the time of the revolutions in France and America in the late 18th century.

So people talk about revolution as being maybe one of its significations. There was discoveries, people say technological discovery and Uranus. And that's in Libra right now. Uranus just ingressed into tourists. That's about a seven year run over here. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I mean, you know, people Uranus and tourists, 38 through like, or like 33 through 40 or something like this. So 1933 through 1940. So it's kind of the Great Depression and sort of building up towards the explosions that happened in the early 1940s in terms of global conflict. Yeah, by the way, I never like to say anything about wars coming or anything. I'm a person of peace. I like to project peace and try to manifest that energy.

So when you say war though, like it's the same way like when I've been doing the tarot stuff like, you know, if you pull the death card, if you pull the nine of swords, the ten of swords, like these cards are like brutal looking, the tower. I really find it useful to look at things not literally as the wars are going to repeat or be likely or even financial crisis is, but I would look at it as potential ways of like internal wars expressing inside of you or internal lack of lack of wealth in one area. It really doesn't have to be externalize if that is kind of feeling like to projection a like I appreciate the astrologers who make hardcore projects projections based on energies and I think that's really useful.

But for me, most of this stuff is just a map for energies that are present and shared, but how they impact me because I noticed on like a day like today, if I didn't know anything about a full moon, let alone in Pisces and these other things like after the fact like, I just been like, why do I feel so weird? Like, this is a weird feeling day. And so that's how I tend to look at it. So when you say wars and stuff and reference things in the past, especially things you and I weren't alive for, I look at them more as kind of like energetic patterns and not like as some doomed or faded to repeat. That's just not how I view reality.

So if you're a person of peace and so am I, we believe that, you know, and people tap into their real power, that can start to be expressed in the world regardless of what, you know, happened in the past. So I'm with you on that. Yeah, and I think regardless of what happens with governments, I mean, I can ask myself, how am I making peace, you know, in my own in between my own ears and with the people around me, even if there is turmoil with governments. And it's a tough one because, you know, if we're just looking at mundane astrological prediction, which a lot of people use these outer planets for almost exclusively are not almost good, but it's, it's, it's common in the field of mundane astrology to actually remove the inner planets and only really examine like Jupiter, Saturn, and then Neptune Uranus and Pluto.

The big ones with like a slow moving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. It makes sense. I mean, I conceptually, I don't have a problem with it. It's, it's, you know, but, but for those folks, I mean, folks that are in the business of talking about war, it's war happens for human beings. Maybe we're in an age of where the technology, and this is my real hope. If I have to set everything is I just hope the technology will kind of flatten things where the wars can be fought with words and with digital, you know, pulses. Like, I'm fine with that. Like, let's have like info wars and maybe even trade wars that are, you know, I'm cool with that is, you know, let's keep the bombs out of it.

But I think we can even read it to be manifesting in ways that aren't so dramatic. Right. Right. The 20th century. And I think the 20th century wars, I mean, this idea of the war to end all war, that's what they called World War I. Maybe both of those wars together, theoretically, we can, we have a settling of that need for massive destruction in that way. Yeah. That's my hope. That's my hope, you know, and I know there's conflicts. I don't mean to minimize people that are affected in war. Oh, of course. Well, war is a complicated subject that I highly recommend people deal with their own personal inner wars before trying to look at too much because it'll chip you up.

It's like, and if you don't disregard it, like you're like you said, you and I are both and acutely aware of lots of things that lead to horrible consequences for lives, but I've just learned you got to take care of your own shit first. And once you do that, and you're feeling like you're bearing witness to stuff, you can try to actually make the change, but I do want to talk about squares and stuff like what, what, what is the importance of these positions related to what are they called you had a name for when things. Aspects and aspects, yeah, they perfect so aspect just means this geometric relationship between two points on a circle. And we, you know, traditionally certain geometric relationships are seen as more beneficial as easier is actually productive.

Maybe ease and goodness, whereas other relationships are seen as more adversarial and more just difficult, more challenging. And it's based on optics theory. It's based on like Hellenistic and Greek ways of thinking about optics. And so you so yeah the opposition when someone's coming right at you, this is seen as the most difficult aspect. When someone's not at a 90 degree relationship, this is maybe the second most difficult think about two people colliding, like coming right at your side right perpendicular. And then you have the triangle, which is made by 120 degree relationship between three points on a circle. The triangle would be maybe the best aspect in terms of providing ease, benefit, assistance, comfort.

And you know you you you have in the like Pythagorean model, the to tractus, which is a triangle. Right. And so you have these kind of sacred symbols that are that are triangular, which makes so this might make sense. But it was it was optically, you can see something maybe at a 120 degree angle, like think of a cross country team you run, maybe not right next to each other, but maybe on someone's flank, right in a way where you can support them. And then the sex tile is 60 degree so half of the triangle of the degree that's needed to produce a triangle and that would produce a six sided figure. Gotcha. You would have like two triangles together.

And that's the, and in a tarot you have that as well, especially from the Golden Dawn tradition in like six is the six is are seen as kind of the most, I guess, free flowing of that of that suit of cards that you would have like the six of pentacles. You got the names that Crowley gave them. They're not off the top of my head that does all of those cards are quite good sixes, even in even in her images, her images, Pamela Smith. They're all pleasant. Yeah, images. The sixes are good. The six of cups is the only one I was just doing a reading today where there are flowers coming out of all the cups.

A boy, an older boy, both children giving a younger girl, a cup with a flower in it. It's very interesting. I was pointing it out to her. I was like, you know, if you look at all the other ones, they're all open cups and nothing's in them, but except for the Queen of Cups where it's covered, but it's a very interesting. The tarot is fucking cool, man. And I know it's also associated with astrology, too. Like, I've been trying to do some research on it. Unfortunately, there's a lot of misinformation and people kind of just like ascribing. And like, that's cool if you're doing an oracle thing, but there is a strong connection.

Like, there are astrological figures on a lot of the cards and the cardinal symbols and signs rather. And it's just, this stuff is all connected in a way that when you really start looking at it, it's like, holy shit. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, the traditional trumps have a lot of astrological symbols. I think that the correspondences that a lot of people talk about. The R were developed in the late 19th century with the golden dawn. They came in and sort of did a lot of creative work to give astrological significance to to the to the cards to the 78 cards, even like the significant or the correspondences with the Hebrew alphabet come, I think, in the 18th century in France, you have people like this guy, Attila. There's others that they begin to start making correspondences to the cards.

And that's fine. I think that's really, really useful. And we talked about earlier, you someone told you about Black Moon Lilith, and then now you're seeing these synchronicities. Yeah, objectively, in external reality, like I met someone and her daughter's name was Lilith and the other person she told me to or deity to look into was Athena, and she had a crazy and Athena story and then owls and owls or popping up everywhere in my life. It was just like weird shit. And like you begin to see, I mean, what I really believe now is so nuts out, but I really believe that these deities that we looked that they built statues of and got appropriated in different ways, like stable imaginal acts create reality. And I think that people really believed in these deities, and maybe even had personal experiences with them when they were taking psychedelic drugs, you know, like Hikeon and so much stuff.

So I believe these deities are not just kind of like made up personifications of energies. I think like they actually have a real impact and they're not just arbitrarily related like I was reading that Saris, which is another celestial body, was actually a precursor, a feminine precursor to Dionysus, or Dionysus. How do you say it Dionysus? Dionysus. Yeah. So, but she was basically associated with the same things before him wine and then like all this fertility stuff and then Juno is Hera. So like there's this whole interesting energetic thing that we have a blueprint for, and I really think if people get into that and attach that to these astrological kind of other aspects of astrology and the houses and the conjunctions and these aspects. So squares. I don't want to get too abstract from this because I'm interested. I need to learn it. Squares are in auspicious or difficult energy. Is that correct?

Yeah. So, I mean, there's some modern astrologers will tell you that the dynamic, what they call the dynamic or hard aspects. And those are the aspects that happen along that axis of either 180 degrees or 90 degrees. You can make a cross on a circle by just having by drawing that line. And that's called the axis of angularity. You might refer to it like that, but or a hard aspect. And they will say that the hard aspects are actually when that dynamic change is produced because they are challenging. The idea is that we don't really change unless there's difficulty. And I think we can see that just as a rule of nature. I mean, even a flower as it buds, it has to break through that encasing, you know. And so it so while difficult, they tend to also mark moments of great shifting and change.

And so, I mean, my charts chock full of really difficult close oppositions. So, you know, I embrace them. And I think energetically, I'm quite comfortable with them because I was born under them. Right. But yeah, they can be uncomfortable and difficult. And that's why this summer, people had such challenging time because Mars and Saturn were opposite each other with the lunar nodes. And then these eclipses happened where the sun was opposite the moon, Mars and Saturn were opposite each other. And there was this alignment of oppositions that were really difficult. Right. You know, but I think people had great change. I mean, I talked to a lot of folks whose lives shifted and they know they were birthed into their new realities and they arrived safely, you know, no worse for the wearer.

So, yeah, I tend to embrace them, embrace the energies. Trust me, I like when you have soft aspects is what the trying and sex style would be called. Yeah, because they are more stable. You know, think about like, you're having a nice vacation, nothing. No upheaval. You're just, you're in a good groove. You know, you're having a stable time in life and stability can be wonderful, be highly productive. You know, right. But, and then the conjunction is a mixture. So it's a mixture of energies. And that's just where you have generally, I think, the think of them as as more positive than negative. But it can depend on the condition of the planets, like so where they are in the zodiac. But generally, my planets kind of mixed together. They're sharing things and, you know, you take on something from one planet.

Maybe you have to give something. And, but there's debates and a lot of this stuff. But that's, that's kind of a general outlay. The other thing about about the aspects is that so traditionally aspects are based on sign. So there's what we call sign based aspects. And then a degree based aspect was also important, but the sign based aspect took on a greater prominence. And I tend to use sign based aspects because the aspect theory is based on the relationship between signs and sign sharing the same element. Same gender. I see. So that, so when you, when you divide the zodiac into 12 signs, the, the signs that are 120 degrees away from each other are all of the same elements. So the earth sign.

Virgo, you go 120 degrees from any point in Virgo, you will be in the earth sign Capricorn. See, and then you'll be in Taurus. Taurus. So you can draw that trying. I see. Yeah. And, and, and sex tile. So you would have all of the feminine signs are a 60 degree relationship from a, from the next feminine sign. And so you go from, you go from Virgo to cancer, cancer to Taurus. To Pisces, Pisces to Capricorn, Capricorn to Scorpio. And that's where you have the sex tile. That's where you get to sit. So it's, you know, and you see it in nature like I'm looking at your Skype. Oh, my money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The flower of life. The flower of life. No, it's the synchronicity image that you that knew. Oh, yeah, it just did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the flower of life, that's sacred geometry. You use the compass and you just, as you make circles overlapping circles, you get this wonderful, six sided image. That's the seed of life, I guess the flower of life is comprised of many seeds of life together. Yeah. I have that on my tarot box is the carving of the flower of life. Yeah. The shit is all connected. It's really kind of the best. And I like that we have this tool with astrology to get insight. I want to ask one last question of you about this stuff is.

So when you're sitting down or when you're waking up right as you have this morning where you are, what are the like initial things that you're looking at to determine because I see your tweets and like, I always just find them so incredibly insightful. Like, what are you, what are you looking at when you wake up related to where everything is in the sky? So for me, I usually work a few several days out. I mean, I try to stay ahead of this stuff because it can be too overwhelming. Yeah, try to analyze something fresh just on the morning of an event. So I'm often several weeks or months, not, not usually several months, but more, maybe a month or two out.

Interesting. I'm going to look at the skies. I know some of the bigger alignments that are coming because I do publish these delineations on Twitter. That's a lot of work. And so I have to have that prepared somewhat before I sit down to like write a delineation. Usually one or two aspects every, you know, probably four or five a week happen. And I write a little inspired delineation of that aspects before they perfect. So I'm not really doing that. I do write those the day before, sometimes the day of, but I prepared a lot of it beforehand. And I can tell you kind of those general energies without having that specific text written. But yeah, I wake up in the morning.

I mean, I will have known like today I know about labor season coming. I know that that's starting today. I know that the big thing that's kind of on my mind is the is the Mars Saturn square, because that's the two difficult planets in that difficult aspect. And so I've known about this for a while. And I, you know, I feel like that's what we're kind of building up to energetically. It's not going to happen until October. It's not going to perfect until October, but Saturn is Chronos. That's the craziest thing you told me, because that really like, I'm telling you, if you look at this through the mythological lens, when Saturn and Zeus get close together, we know what happened.

You know, that's not wasn't good for Chronos. So good for Chronos. So Zeus is there and he was in his home. Is that his home Sagittarius? He was a Sagittarius. Yeah, yeah. Zeus has been great and Sagittarius. And a lot of guys on Twitter are not a lot. But a few of them have been talking about like the only thing saving us has been Jupiter and Sagittarius. And that's kind of been keeping everything afloat propped up. And you know, Jupiter goes into Capricorn. And we're going to be losing that. That's real stable kind of tent pole that we've had. I think I think things, I mean, if you really want to ask me, and I want to go back to your other question too.

Yeah, watch Jupiter, his cap man. I think we're in for like, there could be some some dynamism in terms of like changes where a lot of the things that are on the table might get some form of resolution by the time we get into Saturn. And by the time I let's say Jupiter re enter or sorry enters Pisces. And that will happen in late 2021 and ended really 2022 by the time Jupiter enters Pisces in 2022. I think that a lot of this stuff will have them brought to resolution and let's hope it's as easy as possible. But things like think about it, we got an election. Anyway, that's going to be super intense in America. You know, that's going to be happening in 2020 November. Okay, Jupiter and well, you know, in November, I was just looking at November, because I have a trip to LA and I was looking ahead, because you got me thinking.

It looks like we actually have some decent stuff in November. It's not the worst like we have Venus is in Sagittarius. We have in Scorpio, the sun. What is that mercury? I don't know. It's good for me. I'm a Scorpio Senate in Sagittarius. I don't know about other people, but for me, it's not so bad. But Jupiter is still there. It's so interesting. I love this stuff so much, man. It's so fucking cool. Yeah, it's really excellent. Yeah, and you raise up a really good point. It's worth mentioning here is that we can look at the transits in the sky and they are saying something about how difficult a moment of time is.

But really what you have to do is see those transits against your nail chart. Yeah, and you really have to because like mutable signs for me, they're not really prominent in my chart. And so like, yeah, this Sagittarius Jupiter and Sagitt's good. Don't get me wrong, but I'm all about cardinal signs. My chart is very cardinal and fixed. And so like this summer, when you had this energy in the cardinal signs with the Saturn Mars opposition, I was really hit much harder than I'm getting it right now. However, people that are mutable prominent. And that's if your ascendant is an immutable sign. Or if your son or moon is an immutable sign, you might be feeling this pile up in Virgo and Pisces quite a bit more than other people because the transits are in the angles of your chart.

Remember, I talked about the angularity earlier. Yes. Oh, man. It's so weird. It's so crazy, dude. I just started going forward and looking at all the. Yo, shit is just so crazy. I mean, it's a good time to be alive. It's also just like so nuts. I love astrology so much, man. I'm just so glad I found it. And I found people like you who can teach me about it in a way that's understandable. And I know, I mean, that was my goal with these conversations. And we're only on number two. I know that I'm learning from this that other people are. And I think if we all have a better understanding of this, we can do exactly what you just spoke about in relation to our needle charts and what's going on energetically.

Like, that's the name of the game right now. I feel like until. So Saturn moves into Aquarius next year. Yeah, so Saturn will peek into Aquarius and then it will go retrograde. Yeah, I'm just noticing that. What the fuck Saturn? What are you doing? Yeah, in the second degree. So at one degrees and some degree minutes, it will turn retrograde and it will come back into Capricorn. And then once it in December, it will move into Aquarius. What we would say is for good. Really what we mean is until the 29 years when it comes back to, to Aquarius. But so starting in December, Saturn will not enter Capricorn again. And it's just a nature of retrogradation and it, you know, it'll be a time where people will get to return to their Saturn and Capricorn story.

And you might get a few, you will get a few more months to resolve whatever those issues were to say goodbye to that energy. And then, yeah, it'll be on to the next story, you know, and I found these Saturn ingresses to be quite powerful. I mean, they're very, very tangible. So Saturn ingressed into Capricorn, December, 2017, the day, I believe after Bitcoin topped at 19,000. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And immediately, yeah, it was tangible. And in my life, I was in Thailand. I moved back to Austin for a few months. And like, I mean, it was so stark, like the week before. I was in Thailand. Yeah. Week afterwards back. And basically my family's home.

You're rich as shit, probably. And then you're like, Oh, shit, I'm not as rich as I thought it was. That's not too far off. I get it, man. I have it to me too. So interesting, dude. I, this has been such a great talk. Is there anything else we should be acutely aware of before we speak again in 28 days or so? So yeah, we talked about Saturn going direct. I think that's the most important thing. Yeah. And then I think that no, just just the other big theme is just the Libra season, right? But the masculine. It's coming. I will say this. Venus is going to be in her domicile of Libra. And so we are going to get a strong injection of that Venusian, that kind of active Venus.

I like it. Yeah. And even though there's, there's these problems because she's right in the mix of the Saturn, Mars, Square, I think there is an opportunity to get active with your creative energy. And like I would say, if you're, if you make tangible art, now might be the time you're painting, if you're writing, if you're, you know, anything where you, it requires action on your part to produce artistic objects. I would just take advantage of this opportunity because it's going to be the best time, maybe, maybe in a few months. So look out for that. Is Venus Aphrodite? Venus is Aphrodite. So we got Hermes and Aphrodite together in Libra for a while.

Yeah, for about a week. And then the sun will join soul. And then moon comes to towards the end of the month. It's all good. Yeah, we'll have a new moon in Libra. That's the next libation. Yeah, everything is good. Shit's awesome. Thank you, man. Yeah, I'd be here. Thanks a lot for having me, Noah. And yeah, I just, it's, I love that. It's all good, man. Enjoy it. Enjoy. I love that word. I enjoy. Enjoy. It's the best verb sentence that you can say to people using that imperative form. Enjoy. I totally agree. I love it. Dude, we'll talk to you. Peace. [MUSIC] Thanks for listening to that episode. Go check out SJ on Twitter. Very easy to find.

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It's just like when you click into that and understand kind of the alchemical symbols of what you're seeing. It's very easy. Where it's starting to click for me with astrology, as you probably heard in this episode, is I'm getting the energies behind the planets and what the houses represent and what the signs represent energetically. And that for me is kind of the in to the door of understanding it. So as I continue to open that door a little bit more and eventually walk through it, then I'll be able to be like, alright, I really get astrology. But for until then, I find it just so helpful. And I recommend this for everyone. Like do readings for your friends and family. That's what I was doing. I recognize the planets now. I recognize signs. But yeah, that's all I'm doing.

So anyway, I has a lot of episodes this week. It came up full moon energy, something going on. Next week, we'll probably have not as many episodes. I don't know. Who knows? We'll see. That's it. Happy imagining. Enjoy your life. Bye bye.