Love, LSD and Music with Colin Frangicetto

This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. Welcome to Synchronicity, my guest this week is Colin Francescetto, and Colin has been around the scene. I've seen Colin, this is one of the, what year of the current incarnation of my iPod network are we in, I don't know, three, two and a half, something like that, really around the time Eli was born, that's how I can, at least two things happen at the same time. My iPod network is kind of new Genesis and Eli, my son, and tonight, happy to share with you, I'll be finding out the gender of the newest edition to the clan.

Let me tell you this, people. Let me tell you this, yes, that was a not so subtle illusion that there is another child on the way due sometime late June, July, early July. We don't know the gender yet, but we're finding out Alexis is surprising me somehow, and Eli, I don't know how she's doing it, we'll find that out, so I'll have that news next week. But let me tell you something, for all those people out there, you're reading those reports, and they say, "Hey, you know what, if you smoke a little weed, you're not going to be a mixture sperm weird, you're going to end up with weird kids, you're not going to be able to conceive, it lowers your sperm count, I, if anything, it seems to be the opposite."

I would describe child making, at least in our household, related to the consumption of marijuana as it helps it, if anything. Minimal efforts are needed to sire child's, if you're smoking weed, I don't want to make that direct correlation, but that's obviously bullshit and propaganda. I don't care what studies the scientists want to bandy about, here's the truth about any negative studies about weed, and any overtly positive studies, this is just an important thing to think about, and it's not just for weed, it's for anything. Just look at the sample size and look at the funding, that's all, look at the organizations who are doing and running the science things, look at the, obviously if you know what a well-designed experiment looks like, look at that too, but not all of us have that knowledge, but those two things, sample size and the funding will really tell you probably more about than the actual study.

A lot of these studies you read, you'll say some crazy, insane thing they found out in the lab, and it's like 17 people, like 17 people participated in a study, you know, one time. Anyway, back to Colin, Colin has been around the scene, he's been on a lot of other podcasts, go check him out, astral hustle, third eye drops, what I heard him on was Sean and Cass is very eight podcasts, still one of my most favorite, they're just such wonderful people, and you'll hear us extol their virtues throughout this episode. And one thing that we spoke about very early on is just kind of how when you hear, you don't even need to meet them, that's what's so bizarre now, but when you hear certain people speak, when you see certain people speak and you don't want to always jump to conclusions, but sometimes you're aware of a very subtle, below-the-surface frequency that you go, "Oh, are these people really genuine people?" It doesn't mean that they're great all the time, it doesn't mean that they're perfect avatars of being the best people, and we get into that in the episode, but you recognize that they're being very transparent and authentic, they're not putting on errors, it is not a persona, it is something that is just, that's who that person is, and yes, there does seem to be a correlation of people who either can see a lot of psychedelics, LSD, or have taken it at an early age, and that's something else that we discover in this episode, or at least I discovered is, Colin has took LSD at a very young age, much like myself, he took it younger than me, I was 15, he was 14, which is, he really nails on something, I think that for those of us who have had that experience, it's like your mind is already changing so much, to throw in a psychedelic really has an interesting effect, could be good, could be bad, could be neutral, probably neutral, see what happens with it, but that is a very interesting thing that I don't meet a ton of people who have taken psychedelics at a very early age, kind of in a similar context, you're not, you didn't by accident take it, you did not know what it was, you kind of knew what it was, so that's interesting, anyway, Colin is a musician, have I not pointed this out, circus survive is his band, he's an accomplished musician, he's playing at venues that sell out large numbers of tickets, he is an accomplished artist, he draws, he makes these amazing art prints, he does installations, he's just one of these people who does a lot of things, but does them well, there's a lot of people who do a lot of things, it's very easy to overextend these days, but he does things and does them well, which is fucking awesome, more importantly than all of that, more importantly, although that's very important, is he's just a very nice and authentic and genuine person, and it's wonderful to speak to people like that, go check him out at collinfrangeaceto.com if you don't know how to spell that, look at the title of the podcast, that's it, it's easy, there's even links in the podcast episode, so you can look there too, that is all for this intro, without further ado, here is Colin Frangeaceto.

I'm excited to talk today, buddy, the most recent reason I reached out is I was talking to Sean and Cass, and they were like, listen, have you had Colin on yet, I'm like, you know, I see him everywhere, of course, like we're connected on social media, I've tuned into like parts of podcasts, but I've been like really busy and I haven't, but I see he's a really cool guy, and they're like, no, they're like, no, you really, you really got to tune in to Colin, and like see what's going on, I'm like, alright, if Sean, and I've heard you on the podcast with them say this, like I also, I think for people who recognize what's going on, like if they're wholeheartedly endorsing someone or something, I pay attention to it, because they're just such a wonderful people, so it's like, alright, that will be the impetus for me to actually get in touch with Colin and have this, and I'm super happy that they did because I got to tune into you, man, and I am very, very impressed in a genuine, not in what you've achieved type of way, but in kind of like who you are and what you exude, so I'm looking forward to this, man.

Thanks, man, me too, that's so flattering, and I got it, oh my god, I don't think I could possibly love those two, like more, they're just like the best. Yeah, they really are, they really really are, alright man, so like there's, I have a bunch of little notes I jotted down just from listening to you that popped up, but I thought a cool place to start is not to similar to what you talked about with Sean and Casslyn, very eight, but just personally very interesting to me is kind of the backstory and origin story of how you've maintained an artistic career for yourself, kind of through the trials and tribulations, but just like for people who don't know, you are a very accomplished and successful musician, you're a visual artist, you do drawings, you do installations, and they're like legitimately awesome, there's a lot of people who do a lot of shit, yeah, your stuff is awesome, like I was wondering if you could tell, you know, share with people listening for as much as anything, like what's your backstory and how did you maintain this kind of, you know, we're not young anymore, and you're still kind of doing the art thing which is fucking awesome, so how did this come to be, what's the backstory?

Sure, well, I guess, I mean I've been making stuff since I was a little kid and it's like very, every day that goes by that I, you know, get older, I sort of have this blurry memory of where it crossed the line from like fun and like kind of a self-expression in order to stay sane to the way that, you know, I pay my bills and it's like very kind of surreal to sit here and realize that like, holy shit, like I haven't had like a legitimate clock in job now for like probably 15 plus years and, you know, I was like, I'm putting together a little like catalog of my paintings right now and I'm writing something for it and that was kind of like what I wanted to write about was just like where, like, where did I cross the line into embracing the notion of being an artist and living an art life and all that and I think, I think it's hard to say when it started because the things that really, I mean, you know, you could say, oh yeah, well, the first month that you paid your bills, you know, whatever but it's like, no, it starts so much further back and realistically I think it really just always starts with like a leap of faith, you know, just like and a decision to not want to go one direction but go on another and I think for me, especially when my band Circa Survive started, I mean we basically made a choice that we only wanted to focus on basically making music and art and just, you know, no jobs and just kind of wanted to do that and I think just the active decision of saying we're going to do this and we're not even going to allow for the possibility of the other thing, yeah, that puts you into this almost, you know, completely different mindset where you're ready, you're ready to steal from grocery stores, ready to, you know, do anything you need to do in order to keep that going and I think it also keeps you very satisfied with the smallest of things, you know, it's like, oh, everything is good, I'm not getting my possessions taken away right now and even if they did, they don't mean anything to me anyway, so.

I love that. I think it's a really good answer and I think you also like you touched on something that's really cool, which is the transition not from just I like doing this, but to keeping yourself sane. I mean, that's something that I think I probably only realized like in the past three, four years, like it was actually making music, making art, staying engaged that way wasn't something that I just felt compelled to do, but like if you don't do it, it starts to kind of deteriorate into other aspects of your life and just like, yeah, it's not great, but I also think the key thing that you're mentioning there is that you're persevering and you're making like a dog headed decision that you're going to be doing this thing no matter what, which is like that that leads to results one way or the other, right?

I mean, that's like, without making that intention and following through on it, you'll never know and I think that's what's kind of like, the reason I talk about this stuff so much is I know personally what that can feel like, but I also recognize there's so many people out there who have that like potential of being an artist or potential of creating art and not saying like, hey, I'm going to, you know, only pursue this. That's one way to do it, but even pursuing it at all and like what that can do to someone's kind of soul and being to not pursue those things is like, that's a travesty. So I'm just acutely interested in always talking about that stuff because when you see people like you who've done it and are doing it, like this fucking inspiring, you know what I mean?

Like that's just something that reminds everyone else out there that like, you know what? You can make that decision. It might not always work out the way you want it to, but it's a decision that can be made. Yeah, no, it's so well said and I think that's, I think for a long time, you know, I'm very obsessive, I think probably like lots of artists and creatives. I mean, but I would say, you know, there's nothing I'm more obsessed with than the notion of kind of infecting other people with the confidence of just betting on themselves and being able to not worry so much about having this, you know, kind of like very clear cut safety net, I think people make really kind of, you know, perverse decisions based on the idea that they need like, for instance, you know, paid for health insurance, right?

But it's just funny when you talk to independent contractors who, you know, pay for their own. You know, like I have for so long. It's like that extra $400 a month, which don't get me wrong. It's insane and every time I look at it, I'm like, that is so fucked up. I can't believe I'm doing that. I can't believe I'm paying that for so long, you know, it's so fucked up. But I'm like, really, like, I'd rather have just have that be another thing on the list that I'm like, all right, that's another creative project. I just have to make sure it happens and provides for this $400 a month rather than being like, you know what, I really need a company to pay for this for me.

You know what I mean? Really, you're going to get shittier health insurance through them anyway, usually. And it's like, it's just like an illusion. It's a trap. You know, a lot of people are just afraid to kind of be out on the limb, you know, on the tree limb themselves. They'd rather have some, you know, big daddy corporation kind of like really just make, you know, everything's good. You have yours this. You have your that. By all appearances, everything is safe and okay and predictable. And. Yeah, man. Well, this is again something that I'm like acutely interested. I'm also someone who has battled successfully for my entire adult life, like it gets having a real job, which freaks the hell out of my wife and my mom, but I truthfully, like, I am willing to do just about anything to not do that and pursue the things that I think are good for not just my bank account, but my mental health, my spiritual health.

And I will fight to the last, you know, last dying breath I have to not do that, not because I think it's the best way for everyone, but that I also recognize like you a long time ago. I mean, psychedelics and LSD was no small part of this when I started doing it at like a pretty young age is that like the illusion of safety does not, it's not there and it's funny we're talking about this and talking about paying for insurance because you use that as motivator for a creative project, which is like very counterintuitive, but it's really not. And the idea of an employer, especially in this day and age, having your best interest at heart, even if it's a small, small company, again, is an illusion.

Like if something goes wrong with the boss's family or something goes wrong with the manager class, families, they're going to take care of themselves, which anyone would do, not even like in a necessarily like evil fucked up way. It's just kind of how shit works. So it's a very interesting thing when you talk about like, you know, you don't have to buy into this illusion of there's only one way to do that. And what I think it's particularly interesting now is I think the material and seemingly concreteness of the illusion, we're actively seeing it being broken apart in our ex-worlds more than ever now.

And I think that's just fucking fascinating. Yeah, dude, that's a very interesting take. I never thought about using the extra cost of insurance as a motivator to make more art, but that's like a clever little technique there, dude. That's so cool. Yeah. I think just being around a lot of like graphic designers and people who kind of work with clients on an artistic level consistently, you hear this kind of mindset a lot like they're like, oh, no, I need to work for a firm like, you know, I need health insurance. And I just kind of scratched my head like, dude, especially when I see someone that's just so ridiculously talented and has like nothing but all these like personal creative projects that they're like, oh, I, you know, I just don't have time for my personal work right now.

I'm doing client work and I'm like, are you kidding me? Like you could be doing exactly what you want to do at all moments of your day, but you've created this illusion that you don't have time for it because you're comfortable with that client paycheck and, and you know, I think I've learned, or at least I'm still learning that, hey, people have to want that for themselves, you can't force that on them. Yeah. It's, I mean, that's one of the realities of life that I think people constantly learn. It's not something that, I mean, you can fully learn it, but you're still going to go into those things because like, you know, I get from you and just, you know, seeing you not only on social media, but hearing you on the podcast too, like this, this desire to help people is very, very clear.

The counter to the wanting to help people is sometimes you want to help people too quickly or you want to help them if they're not ready, which is its own kind of weird fucking karma karmic situation, but yeah, you can't force people, but I do think what you're doing is probably the best thing one can do, which is just like, you know, win and live your life and share your ups and downs authentically and transparently and honestly, because then, you know, people can see that this is a possibility, you know what I mean, that this isn't something that I think a lot of people, I know you know, this is a musician that I feel like every musician knows this, but they don't talk about it.

Like anyone can learn music. Like it is not this fucking secret. Let some people. Yes, they exist. We know them. Some of us may have some innate talents in certain areas and it may be a little bit easier to kind of get up that curve, but like anyone can do this shit legitimately, unless you're dead. Absolutely. Sorry. Then like that's the one kind of thing. And even then you can use rhythms like there is literally and it's like weird because I think that translates so well to like everything in life. Like there's really boring physical, clear limitations. You can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want.

Like that's that's the truth of life. I mean, yeah, dude. I love that you kind of have this, this selflessness quality about you that you kind of bring out in other people. I mean, what's that born out of, you know, in yourself? And I know I'm not, I don't want to paint the picture here that you're immune from negative mindsets. When I'm talking about this and I know you're not, you've spoken candidly about depression, but this desire to kind of share the love so to speak, where is, where does that come from? You know, I think a lot of it, it kind of is a twofold thing where I think the contagious nature of like, you know, the empowerment of doing what you want to do at all times and kind of just being self-sufficient artistically, whether it's music or just making things in general.

Like anyone who can kind of create their own reality, it excites me so much because I think that is like the key to everything in a lot of ways as far as finding a balance of, you know, contentment or whatever. But I think for me, I realized a long time ago with music, how much of it is just so, you know, you can self-teach yourself and same thing with art, just in general, DIY mindset has always been a thing that really, it was like a huge eye-opener as a young person realizing, you know, I think, again, to reference Shawn and Cass, you know, talking about Fugazi and talking about Ian Mackay and just the, kind of the punk rock mindset of just, you know, don't wait to get invited to the party, like, throw your own, like that kind of mindset really got to me at a very young age.

And then I think, I think we have in common is, you know, I took LSD for the first time when I was 14, so, you know, that really fucking gave me some different legs to stand on, I really, I just saw through a lot of this stuff and realized that the most important thing always has felt like human connection and human, you know, kind of creativity feels divine to me, you know. So kind of all, it all kind of meets somewhere in the middle there, I think, I just want to always kind of present people with the idea that what I'm doing is really not that special and that they could do it too, and that's why I always really had this weird little kind of earmarked note about the whole machine elf, you know, folklore of like, look what we're doing, do what we do, like how they're making shit out of nothing, and I just think like it's just this huge reference to the creative act, and I think about like, universes being born and created and how that can just be the same thing as like, making a drawing or a song.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, I love it. So dude, how I usually am one of the younger people, you know, in terms of inception with LSD, 14 has me beat by a solid year and a half, I think, what's the, 14 is dude, 14. I mean, if I'm thinking back to what I was doing at 14, I was probably just smoking weed. I don't even know how high I was getting barely experimenting with that. What how did you come to do LSD at 14? What were the circumstances, what was the trip like? Yeah, so strange, man. You know, it's just about, I think, shifting friend groups and right time, right? Yeah, some people, some, in some people's instances, they would say wrong place, wrong time, wrong thing, but I would say, you know, thank God for older brothers.

I think like, you know, I, I'm the oldest, but I had a few friends that had older brothers and of course, basically it was like, you know, started hanging out with some people I met in, I guess I was, yeah, I was middle school and I remember, you know, we connected over music and then, you know, cannabis right away. And then, you know, it was like a, a weekend hangout at my friend's house who I wound up just kind of staying there, like, a lot because, you know, his parents were never around and basically just, you know, we'd be recording stuff all the time. We didn't have to worry about noise. And then it was just like, hey, you want to drop some LSD and I was just like, you know, I knew about, I had seen the movie The Doors and that was about what I knew of LSD.

I was like, I was like, sure, you know, and man, an hour later life to say is just like, I was not, it was so much different than I could have ever imagined. And it just completely, yeah, I can really pinpoint a distinct change in my life and in my personality at that very moment. I mean, you're, your personality is changing at a crazy breakneck, you know, pace at that point anyway, but man, it's almost like it, it changed it and then almost like encased it in this like very nice, like protective, like temporary concrete, it's like, you know, you can just be who you really are forever, you know, I was like, and then I just like skipped a lot of the, a lot of the uncertainty and kind of like insecurity that I saw kind of running like a virus through most of my friend groups at that time, except for the two ones taking LSD, I guess.

Yeah, I mean, really it just totally changed me and I don't think I recognized that on a conscious level at the time. Yeah. I was just kind of like exploring, but now I can look back and be like, wow, yeah, I really remember that being the first year of my life where I was like, I don't really care if people like me. Yeah, totally. I don't really, I don't really care if like I fit in, I don't care if the, these people that I really like are, are not cool to these other people, I'm just going to be cool to everybody. You know, I just kind of made this conscious like choice at that point to do that.

Yeah. Dude, I fucking love the way you kind of put that in case, you know, it obliterates the idea of personas and creating them, but also kind of gives you this solid core of which to kind of operate for the rest of your life. And I think you touch, it makes me really think that in like 50 years, you know, we may actually be giving maybe micro doses, but some type of dosage to like teenagers, I mean, like teen angst is something I understood up until I did psychedelics. After that, like, yeah, like you're a teenager, you have hormones, you have all this stuff, but like I, it coincided at least for me and exactly the same way that you're talking about, but right when I did LSD, I got a longterm girlfriend at the place they did LSD at and she happened to live, I was in Boston at the time, we met at this program at music school, but she happened to live like 20 minutes away from me.

So I just like all of my, you know, other things you'd be caring about as like an angst ridden teenager or immediately fell into place and I was like, I don't care about what people think anymore. Like I have everything that I want, I'm going to try to carry this. And I remember all I wanted to do after that is turn other people on. I was just telling all the friends away, God, God, do LSD. You have to do it. We're going to do it in this hotel. We'll get it. And I just tried to turn as many people on as possible. And yeah, man, I think it's really interesting that what is often presented as a very dangerous and kind of, well, might put you on the edge of psychosis, which let's be clear, can do, but for the teenager, especially that it really can have the opposite effect and kind of like help you see through all of the temporary kind of relative bullshit and recognize that there's something much deeper that you can carry on into, you know, and carry with you into the rest of your life.

That's very never heard of her to put like that, but it makes a tremendous amount of sounds and totally is in line with my experience. Yeah, that's awesome, man. That's really cool. I feel the same way about, you know, I mean, I guess there's conflicting things inside of me when it comes to, you know, just kind of being like, you know what, every time anyone turns 13, this should be a coming of age thing, drops of velocity. But yeah, I mean, I'd have to say there, I would say I'm 90% in that boat and 10% in the, oh, but watch out for psychosis, you know, because I really think that, I mean, there are so many things that you're going to get put through in the course of your, you know, young adolescents that are going to put you on the edge of psychosis anyway, and probably half of them are going to be prescribed by your doctor or whatever.

So yeah, for me, I mean, I'm just so grateful for that experience. And I think that, oh, man, I mean, I really think oddly enough, it also gave me just this really beautiful, like it kind of just like, you know, slowly deteriorated my fear of death in a lot of ways. It was just kind of like, which I think is pretty common for psychedelics. I mean, unless it's the exact opposite, death anxiety nonstop, but yeah, I mean, for me, it was like, I noticed a distinct change in how I coped with loss and death after that, like kind of a welcoming of it and an acceptance of it and noticing that in myself and kind of wanting to be there in those moments for people when they're struggling with loss and grief, you know, kind of noticing that as a strength of like, oh, okay, you know, I, for whatever reason, I can handle this, this painful transition phase better than some people can.

So I kind of have a gift that I can, I can help others through this time. And I really appreciated that all like a lot. That's really fucking cool. Yeah, I think my, I am not as advanced as you probably in that sense and relating to death. I always like to think that I am because in some sense, I don't even believe in the concept of myself at all. But then I'll remember my kid gets like a cough and I'm like, Holy shit, what the fuck is going on? And it's like, ah, he has a little gold going to be okay. And I'm like, Oh God, still have some shit to work out. But yeah, dude, that's, that's really cool that that really kind of helped you with that.

And then that your next instinct. And I think this is something that what kind of blows my mind about psychedelics is I, we have, we have had very similar experiences and takeaways from doing LSD. But I know there are people who've done LSD and all God knows five, just every possible thing you could do and still seem very much in case in a, in a goic standpoint and it blows my mind. I'm like, how did that happen? And I, and I recognize, and this is something that you talked about with Sean and Cass again, we're just going to keep referencing them because they really are that great. Um, it does, there's a resonant frequency that I think that some people when they take a psychedelic, they get back in touch with and they say, Oh, that's me.

This is me. This is, this is really what it is. And then they can recognize that in other people. And then I think other people just maybe don't even see that or see it, but think it's something else or add it into their persona or their kind of psyche and carry it around as kind of like an intellectual thing or superiority thing. And I think that when people recognize each other, this is why I'm just like enamored with you as a person. Cause I, I haven't heard people explicitly say this like you encourage that. That's what you want to be talking about. That's what you want to be communicating through your art, through your music, like that shit is, if more people openly spoke about that, I think the world would clearly be a better place cause you don't, you don't see people doing that all the time, which is why they're so easily recognizable when you do see someone doing that.

You know what I mean? Yeah. No, totally. And yeah, it really, anytime I, um, like you said, it's a frequency and you pick up on it and anytime I pick up on anyone else doing that, it just is, it's like, uh, yeah, it's like spirit food. It just makes me like, why am I like, oh man, yeah, exactly. Yes. Yes. Yes. And I'm going to go out and do that more today. And, um, I kind of seek that out now rather than seeking out the negative, which I think I've spent a lot of my life doing, um, and when I kind of, you know, everyone, uh, can just fall off the path and just kind of get distracted by a, uh, you know, big scary monsters.

But, um, you know, it doesn't have time today. Yeah. Definitely. Um, but yeah, I think focusing on that and focusing, um, like I said earlier, like the love frequency and just, um, I'm really trying to amplify that and spread that. Um, you know, I, I love being a satellite for others. I love rebroadcasting other people. I love basically connecting people. Um, and I don't know, I get, I get a huge kick out of basically, you know, just kind of encouraging other people to do that same thing, you know, like, Hey, um, it's awesome that you think I'm cool and you like my music or you like my art or whatever.

But like whatever it is that you do, um, try to kind of like take whatever it is that you think it's cool, like that I'm interacting with you or whatever, go do that for someone else today. You know, like that's kind of like what I'm always trying to have be the footnote of any interaction I have. I love that. Dude. That is fucking an amazing thing to say to someone when you've kind of created, you know, a creative vessel for people to engage with because it really does, it's like the ultimate paying it forward is like, it's true. Like the thing is, is that, you know, I've had so many conversations about what makes an artist who's an artist, or some people just not ever going to be in.

Yeah, like the truth is it's not everyone is going to be a commercially successful, successful payer bills type artists, at least not in the way the economic system is set up now. But that doesn't mean that it's not you can't make something amazing that is going to fulfill you in some way. It's, it's not our fault necessarily that the structure of economics in the world doesn't support that type of lifestyle. This is just a collective kind of delusion that's being played out now, you know, which is relatively new and innovation. We haven't been in this capitalistic system for that long in terms of history.

So really just like encouraging that to come out. I mean, that, it's very interesting you mentioned, I remember a very specific trip I had with some friends in a hotel room. It was 411. I remember that because it was like, it was like, like rain information. We're tripping it. It was a big part of the trip, but I remember turning to one of my friends who was drawing something and it was just like really cool. I was like, that's really cool. Like you're really talented. And I was like, you know, anyone can do this if they want to, but most people don't realize that they can do it. And she's like, do you really believe that?

I'm like, yeah, I 100% do because it's just the desire for someone to do something. If it's in them naturally, it's more likely to come out. But someone who doesn't know that it's there is never going to necessarily dig down and try to find it unless they're encouraged to do that. So it became like a very big part, like whenever someone was like, Hey, I like your music. I'd be like, you know, come, if they're over at my house, I'm like, come play with this MIDI keyboard. Come make all these fun sounds out of this drum machine. Like you don't like my two and a half year old can do it. Like this isn't something that is like, you need tremendous technical skill.

I'll set something up. Or wherever you hit something, it sounds amazing. And you'll make something even cooler. And I think that really is like a metaphor for the type of energy that we're talking about, which is like, just be cool to people, just be nice to people. And something else that I don't think we've explicitly spoken about. But it's really important. It's like this, this idea of vulnerability, this sense of being vulnerable and letting people see not just the amazing good parts of yourself, but your fears, your insecurities, though, the failures, those things, like that shit people can relate to.

It's harder for people to relate to these outlier success, you know, I'm in a successful band. But like everyone is dealt with like, Oh God, I fucked up or I didn't do this well. And I think that's another thing that's like very cool about you is like, I see you doing that, especially on social media, like you're very transparently honest about this stuff. And it's like it's a juxtaposition from what you normally see, but it's so fucking sorely needed, man. I mean, could you talk about a little bit of like kind of the, let's say the not fun aspects of reality, the negative mindsets, expressions, like how do you, how do you deal with those and kind of what lessons have you learned from that type of stuff?

Yeah, for sure, well, there's so much, there's an abundance of negativity as there is positivity, you know, it's all there for us, whatever we want. And you know, depending on what you dialed your radio to that morning, you may tune into a station that's broadcasting a bunch of slime and you may get infected. Or it could just come out from inside of you. I mean, sometimes we just have shit that's, I mean, I think so much of our resistance to say sharing process or sharing, sharing like, like you put it, like the, you know, there's nothing magical about what I'm doing. I can show you how to do this.

If you really want it, that's really, that's the, that's the biggest ingredient you need is desire to do this because the, and the second one is time. And just, you know, really, you know, not being afraid to fail, like these are all things that basically can really free you and allow you to discover things. But I think a lot of times we don't recognize that, say like an artist who's gotten, you know, a bunch of, you know, the fame or even just like some status on social media and all that stuff, you can kind of notice which ones are really confident and which ones are kind of like, oh my God, I'm a fraud.

I mean, we all think we're frauds. That's, that's, that's normal. But I mean, I think being afraid to share your secret sauce and thinking that, oh my God, if people know how I do this, they're not going to think it's great anymore. They're not going to think, they're not going to think I'm this magical thing or whatever. That, that really is like a, it's a reflection of inner pain and insecurity. And basically this thing where, you know, you're seeing your, your psychology of why you, you know, maybe are kind of doing the sisyphus thing of, of being an artist and like, I want, I want to be recognized as being amazing.

And I want people to think like, oh my God, how did they do that? But like for me, it's just the total opposite. It's like, I remember very distinctly having, you know, 10 years ago already being in a band that's, you know, successful, but feeling like I needed my own outlet. And you know, I, I always connected to making visual art. And so on my downtime, you know, around like our second record, I just started like drawing again and I started painting again. And because we had a local record store that we all love so much, like basically got their, they got all their shit seized, like they owed taxes and all this stuff.

And so we did this fundraiser thing to try to get them into location. And thankfully like they actually got it and they're still around today. Like it's pretty, it's pretty awesome. But that gave me like kind of the gall to, to sell the stuff I was making because I was making it for someone else. So I feel like that's a good hack for anyone who's going through that like, oh God, like, who do I think I am? I'm not an artist like that, that whole really difficult thing where we, you know, crossing the threshold from, okay, I, I make doodles to, oh, I sell doodles, you know. And I think it's like, for me, the negative stuff is when I get obsessed with, you know, everything that is the opposite of that.

When I get obsessed with, why don't I have more followers? Like, why don't I have more money? Why don't I have more success like this other person who I see as a contemporary that is like, you know, why are they getting all this like sunshine and I'm over here getting rained on. Like, the second I go down that rabbit hole, it basically, it's like, you know, basically taking an exacto knife and, you know, opening all the stitches of all the wounds I've had from like, you know, being a conscious being all the way to now and that just plays itself out in a way of like, oh, I'm suffering, I'm suffering, I'm suffering, I'm suffering, you know.

I mean, that's basically, you know, it's a very simplistic way to see it, I guess. You know, obviously there's complications to all of our daily struggles and there's chemical parts of it and some of it are just like emotional, but I think for me, it's just like trying always to recognize when you're off, off center and be like, all right, something's off and I need to get back to where I was. And, you know, until you recognize that, I think, you know, you're kind of like a boat, like, just kind of like drifting off and then, then all of a sudden you're like, wait, where the fuck am I, like, how did I even get here, you know.

So I think it's, you know, not to use the ridiculously trendy word of mindfulness, but like, I think, yeah, it's all mindfulness, it really is. It's interesting because it, mindfulness is obviously an overused term and word, but if we really identify, even if it's not in words, but in our own minds, the idea of being able to recognize something, that maybe it's cause pain is usually a good waker upper in terms of recognizing something because you're acutely aware of something like pain. But when you add that idea of reflecting on it, that's where the mindfulness comes in and you can basically say, like, all right, well, this is what's going on here.

What the fuck do I do? And more importantly than just the mindfulness that you mentioned, I think that that metaphor of, you know, opening up with an exacto knife, your wounds and scars and stitches like, dude, that is spot fucking on that comparative nature that we can so easily fall into. And like you and I both know this, but when we're in that mindset, we don't think about it, but like, we don't know what the fuck is going on with other people usually. We're 99.9% in our own heads so much of the time that like to even whatever our created image of someone else's success is like, we don't know what the fuck is going on.

We don't know what internal struggles or family struggles or relationships, struggles, anyone else is really going through it unless we're very good friends with them. It really is. And even then you don't always know, you don't have an exact, you know, replica of their consciousness. But that really does seem to cause like the majority of pain for people in life. And I think once you can get more adept at dropping it or recognizing when it's going on, it does kind of smooth shit out, you know, because that's self and that's the second arrow, right? And Buddhism, that's, you got shot with an arrow and then you're reflecting on it and dwelling on it.

It is the second arrow. It's like you're doing it to yourself and it's not needed. You already have a fucking arrow and you don't have to shoot another. So it's, but you really nailed it. Like that is when you kind of go off center and the truth is a lot of people just live their lives off center. They don't even know there's a center. That's where the mind always comes in. But yeah, man, like that, that can really fuck people up. It really, really can, including myself when I see it. But I think you also, you touched on something that's really cool is this idea of especially in the day of social media, day and age of social media.

I just did something which I really never thought I would do because I spent so much time. It's brought me a lot of money, I've helped a lot of people with it is I left Facebook two days ago. I was like, you know, here's, and I was like, listen, here's the thing. And I, the way I've justified staying on there for so long is I have business pages. I have pages where if I want to send traffic to a website or sell something or increase downloads, I have this ability to do it, so I'm like, all right, I don't want to just throw that away. I mean, I've taken time to build it up, but man, like I unfollowed a shitload of people because I didn't like what was coming into my consciousness on a daily basis.

I wasn't signing up for it. And that wasn't doing it. And I realized, you know, all the privacy stuff that's coming out with Facebook, how just what they're doing to our attention and harvesting and pushing us to these different directions that maybe we don't want to be pushed in. And I was like, you know what, this shit is not healthy. So I'm going to leave it. I just be clear. I'm still on Twitter. I will fucking use Twitter to the day I die if it's around, just because I love the idea of selectively tuning into what you want to tune into in a chronological fashion and I use tweet bot, which allows me to do that.

I don't see it on the app. So basically like, the truth is like, I was like, this is something that I think most people won't do. They're not going to voluntarily leave social media. There's a lot of compelling reasons and, you know, endorphins being one of them, serotonin being another that people want to stay on these things. But it doesn't seem to be making people happier on the whole. And I think that to me is something that I feel confident in saying because I don't haven't had a lot of conversations with people. I'm like, hey, how does Instagram make you feel? And they're like, great. Makes me feel fucking awesome all the time because there's this, what you're talking about, that you can see people who are only showing you this one dimension of their lives over and over again.

And that's just not how things work in life. No one is their Instagram, no one, you know, unless they're showing like the fucked up things that are going on. Like I always joked about there should be an Instagram for like when you get in fights with like your significant other or like you spill some shit, you break something and you should have like documents at that because like, that's just relatable. It's also probably be hilarious, but like the truth is, we don't want to present those aspects of ourselves to other people because it's uncomfortable. It's scary. It's vulnerable, which is why when someone like you is out there kind of just like willingly doing that, not in like a look at me type of way, but just sharing earnestly and honestly in a helpful way like that.

That's the antidote to that stuff. That makes social media enjoyable. It makes it real and it makes it helpful, I think, more than anything else. Yeah. Well, I think it's all just about realizing the neutrality of everything and realizing that, you know, there is this black and white yin and yang thing going on at all times. And, you know, I think it's, you know, social media is just this perfect example of it at all times that any time you want to, you know, you can really, you can find, you can find the slime, you can find the negativity at any point, you could also find the most inspiring thing in the world at any point.

So it's like really, it's right there and as far as interacting with it is such a tricky fucking thing and I think it is for me a thing that ever since I finally succumbed to the dark side and was like, fuck it, I resisted for a long time. When the band first started it was right when MySpace was really kind of exploding and we made a band account and none of us had personal MySpace and we thought, you know, it'd be really cool to, you know, keep it that way, you know, and we also thought it would be cool to not sign any of our names when we'd post updates but it would always just be like from like the we, the us, you know, it was like this really like kind of, kind of naive like way of like trying to battle the ego issue of all of it because it was so clear like, oh my God, this is just narcissism, you know, it's rampant, you know, but I think it just slowly got its claws in me and then eventually, you know, it was like one day somebody signed their name on a post and then the next day someone else did and then all of a sudden we were all just signing our names and then we had our own accounts and then sure enough it was like we each had our own Facebook eventually and, but when I, when I did finally join Facebook it was specifically to try to kind of sell my, my, more of my work, like more of my art and stuff and I kind of used that as the reasoning behind it and then sure enough like to this day in many moments where I struggled to stay on there, the business aspects of it were what was keeping me on there and I'm still on there now but I'd say what keeps me in general in a place where I'm like, I really actively try to use it in a way that is, you know, every day I try to do what I can to just like infect other people, you know, with kindness and with vulnerability like you said and just the idea that like, hey man, it's cool, like you can, you can wear that mask if you want to but like you really don't need to, you know.

So you're a, you're a Facebook bodhisattva is what you are is you're saving off your eventual enlightenment to remain in shepherd people across in a dark, dark place. So I appreciate that. Yeah. It's really what you're doing. I mean, it's weird like I, I get, I think the main thing and I'm really just analyzing this with you because it's been on my mind is the main thing that is, is freaking me out about Facebook and all Twitter is not that much better. It's the idea that our personal relationships are the product of something that's being sold to other people that really tipped me over the edge.

Like I knew it was going on. I had a Facebook account right after it opened because I was in Boston and they opened it up to all the Boston colleges then. So I've been on it for a very long time. It wasn't always like that. I mean, I remember setting up the initial pages for businesses in like 2008, 2007, sometime like that, it used to be a very different place. But now having used it both as a marketer and a user and seeing how people kind of relate to things like follower numbers or likes or metrics and all of these things. And what the tangible benefit is for the end user, meaning you and me spreading positivity on Facebook or just, you know, sharing podcast episodes, it becomes kind of a game of, I've seen it come become a game of diminishing returns for the end user and increasing returns for Facebook and corporate people who are mining all of this data, which really at a certain point, I think will hit a critical mass when people will be like, fuck this shit.

Like there's something else we can use. But I also don't like the idea that we don't get to shape what we're choosing to pay attention to online at least, right? In our lives, we can't choose what's coming in. We've, you know, we've picked our relationships and what we're going to pay attention to and things filter in from there, but the idea that I'm going to be being fed stuff that makes me angry or I don't want to see and that I don't really have any intention of dealing with at that point. So it's not going to make like lead to some positive change in my life. It's just something that's either noise or negatively affecting my mood that I am not choosing to see.

I really was like, that's a very destructive tool more than it's worth it. And again, like I am not, I want to be very clear about this for anyone listening. And you included like, I don't judge anyone who's on Facebook staying on Facebook. I was having a great time. I mean, I left when I was actually pretty much enjoying most of my time there. It was just a conscious decision that like, I was logging in like an inappropriate amount of times to see shit that I didn't want to see. And I'm like, I have to make the personal choice at this point to reassess this relationship. And I'm not like unplugging.

I'm not cutting the cord. Like I probably have a bad idea for a lot of people. I love Twitter. I check Twitter hundreds of times a day, fucking love it. So it's not that, but it is kind of this like, it's, we're moving into a very weird kind of where era where relationships are becoming the main economic driver of our society, which is like, no one really talks about this shit because we don't have time to think about it. But that's really what's going on. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, it's a, it's total like, it's like a capitalistic inception. It's like, it's like earlier today, I was texting my friend, because he, you know, I wished him Merry Christmas yesterday and then he sent me back this things.

It was like, just this comment about like, I wish people would choose kindness over consumerism or something like that. And like as, as I read that, I was searching for like a funny Bitmoji dissension. And in the Bitmojis, there was a Bitmoji that was an ad with my, with my likeness. And it just had me like as a reindeer. And it said like, buy Bitmoji merch. And I was like, I was like, oh my God, they're selling me images of myself. This is fucking crazy. I was like, that's goddamn genius. But yeah, I just sent that back and he's just like, wow, resistance is futile. I was like, yeah, I mean, it's obviously not.

And like, for as much as I get kind of like cynical about this stuff, I, I remain very optimistic about the, the rate of people recognizing this stuff. And even if we're not all actively leaving kind of our corporate overlords in masses and mass protests. The truth is, is that the, as the awareness begins to increase about this type of stuff, I think we then can have the conversations that ultimately lead to the better systems emerging. And I see that even with something like, which is a terrible name and I have a podcast network podcasting is just a bad name for what we're doing here, which is just kind of like spreading the seeds of dynamic interaction.

That's all it is. Very much kind of to me, the antithesis of how most social media, at least from a consumer or corporate commercial standpoint is used, which is we are going to pre produce something to elicit a response to get you to do something that benefits us, which is like, no one, if you think about any, any entity, any post as a person who's approaching you, and if that's how they were approaching you, no one would stand for this shit. Like if there was just always someone around you, who's posting like amazing vacation pictures, just like, I am going on the best vacation ever. It's just from me and my family, you'd be like, fuck out of here, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna hang out with you, you're terrible.

But that's what we kind of get bombarded with. It's just like, I kind of am on this crusade, which is like, it just sounds stupid to say, but I really seek out authentic people, which to me doesn't mean like you're being real or anything, it just means that we're seeing a complete picture of a person. Do you know what I mean? We're not just seeing one side of things, which to me is like, you know, I got heavily involved with the spiritual kind of nonprofit world, and I was what was ultimately I got very jaded for a long time because I thought it was going to be immune from that type of posturing and I know it's just laughable, right?

It's like the stupidest thing to ever think and I got a very heavy dose of like not only is it not immune, it's like you're going to be dealing with the most hyper inflated egos you can possibly imagine these people genuinely think a lot of the times they're enlightened or they have some real thing to teach you that you don't have and that can only lead to just like craziness. But I really now when I see anyone, you know, whether they're an artist, whether they're a temp, whether they're someone who's unemployed and doesn't know what the fuck they're going to do. When someone's just being themselves like, I just, I seek that out more than ever these days and they just, it turns out a lot of those people do happen to be artists and musicians because what the fuck else are we going to do?

But yeah, man, it's, it's really, it's been an emerging theme, especially in the past two, three years of my life and you know, I'm, I'm really grateful that I get to like interact and meet people like you who are doing this shins, Shawn and Cass and all the other people who have had on this podcast who kind of are exuding that frequency, it's what keeps me optimistic about the future of this planet, of our culture, of our society, because like there's a lot of people these days who exude this a lot. Yeah. I love the Mad Libs aspect of what you just said as far as the, the spiritual nonprofit movement.

I feel like you can just take that out and plug in punk rock plug-ins like psychedelics. Yeah. Plugging in like, like all that, there's so many things that you would think would be immune to, you know, egotistical, capitalistic, whatever, but it's like, it penetrates every part of reality as long as it's, you know, pervasive in that, in that culture and it obviously is our culture. Yeah. It's everywhere and I, you know, that's, I think probably why, you know, people like yourself and myself like, you know, find a lot of comfort in the notions and ideas of Buddhism and other, you know, kind of mindsets that are similar, kind of seeing it all as one thing and seeing it all as no good, no bad, everything is just kind of like perfect as it is and I know that's a very controversial thing to say these days, but, you know, I try to, I try to just like really let that be the only, only truth in a lot of ways, you know, because everything else seems debatable and confusing.

Yeah. But if I just look at it all as one thing and allow for it to all be as it is and interact with it the way that makes me feel good, that's the only thing I can really do to get through it because otherwise it's just like, it feels like you're trying to, it's like that feeling when, when you're in a very, very heavy trip and you think that closing your eyes is somehow going to make it all disappear but it's actually way more of it, like no, there's no escape. There is no escape. Yeah. There's no personal clockwork orange that you can't get away from no matter what you're trying to do. Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, it's true, and the idea of everything being perfect is controversial because when we get stuck in a dualistic perspective, it is the most disputable and easily disputable thing that is like, oh, there's starving kids in Africa.

There's two kids who died in border patrol custody. That's perfect do buddy. And it's like, listen, on one level like, no, that's horrible. Of course, it's the worst thing ever but on another level, like if this was the karma that was planted by those two amazing souls to wake up another segment of the populace to the terrible fucking things that are going on in some sense, that is kind of like the perfect way of doing it and who's, I always, it's a very difficult thing to kind of live in the state of open-mindedness and open-heartedness. They sound like really great things to aspire to because it's like, oh, yeah, we want to be open-minded.

You don't want to be a close-minded prick. You want to be open-hearted. You want to be a dick to people and un-compassionate. But if you are really living in those states constantly, you're going to be challenged by pretty much everything you encounter in this reality, which is the kind of like devastating beauty of it if you really think about it. It's weird that this is, we think about those two terms, which if you ask anyone, even the most die-hard Trumpian, they'd want to be open-minded and open-hearted at least to their family. But it's not a very comfortable thing. It's not always going to bring you happiness in the sense of how we like to think about happiness, which is accepting things as it is.

That's what we should be doing, but we want to just feel good all the time, which is if there's one thing, this is why Buddhism is still so popular. If there's one thing we know in life, it is just not going to be great all of the time. There's no one who's lived that life yet, period. They haven't existed. So, yeah, dude, it's a very, listen, I know there's the Chinese curse that, you know, may you be born in interesting times, I really do think it's a blessing, man. I find this stuff to be amazing. Even the terrible, horrible shit, because it is this neutral slate that you can kind of put your own perspective on it, and if your perspective is everything is perfect, I just have to figure out how, what better way is there to go through life, right?

Yeah, and I think it's also, I mean, it's a misleading way to label it, you know, like a saying perfect, because people just attribute only good things to perfection or whatever. It's just a way of like, you know, summing it all up and just saying, you know, there's not much of this that you can control, and maybe that's just the way it was designed, and you know, you can kind of only, you can, you know, it's just the whole grasping thing. Yeah. It's all there. It's like, it's such a, it's all built into our nature, the way we are, and so much of our suffering and our agony is us trying to fight against who we are, you know, and be the opposite of that, and that just, I don't know, I mean, it's not like I haven't spent years upon years doing that very thing and suffering in that same way, but you know, once you wake up to it and kind of realize like what you're doing, at the very minimum, you can kind of like watch yourself and sort of laugh at it.

Yeah. And recognize and laugh at just kind of the monuments and systems we built that reinforce that idea. Like it's like that, just to be clear, like, I don't think it's a natural human response to the way culture and society has evolved. I think what it is, is it's a reaction to difficult and fearful situations where we try to insulate ourselves, and then it turns into a system, and then it turns into a codified system of laws, and we do all of these things to not deal with our shadow side and the fucked up shit in ourselves, but then we forget that like, now these things are running us as much as anything else.

We've created a fucking, you know, system that's anything but egalitarian, we're constantly competing with each other in so many ways, which is why, again, when someone like you comes along, which is why Shawn and Cass can recognize us, they're the greatest beacons for this, when someone comes along and they're like, listen, we don't have to be competing like this. We don't have to be constantly trying to prove that we're better or we have some magical thing. For those of us who are like, Oh my God, someone, someone else knows this too. It's like, that's how the emerging paradigms like actually emerge.

You need that to happen because otherwise we're just thinking this shit in our own head. You know, you're old enough like me to remember 10, 15 years ago, regardless of what was going on in our individual lives, society and culture, these conversations were not coming out like they are today period. There's fucking 20 podcasts on mine pod network. There's hundreds of thousands of podcasts where people are talking about similar things or in their own way, talking about similar things like that shit didn't exist. But it was like coast to coast AM was as weird as you were getting about like anyone talking about something that wasn't like normal, so to speak.

So it is, we are moving towards whether people think it or not. We are moving towards different things that are substantially different than the way things operate now. And it's nice to be able to connect with someone like you who's actively doing it, man. Oh, man. Well, right back at you. I think the whole idea about podcasting kind of representing in a lot of ways the antithesis of what we've been discussing, kind of like the viruses of social media and kind of, you know, narcissism culture and all that kind of stuff, it's like podcasting. The second I found podcasts many, many years back when like, I think it was like season one of WTF or something, I was like getting into, but I recognized like the reason why it was so soothing to my soul to engage in this was I had been starved of long-form conversation.

And so many people are. And I think it's just a worth, it's a, it's worthy of like examining the idea of, you know, for every action, there's a reaction, I think like, you know, entertainment and media and culture are no exception to this. So when we have basically become this like, you know, sound bit culture for, you know, a couple of decades, you know, shorter and shorter and shorter and more concise and more concise and more filtered and more whatever, all of a sudden to hear somebody just talk openly for, you know, an hour to three hours is just nothing but like, oh, this is the best, at least I know that like, this is not, you know, being pushed to me by, you know, some weird overlord or whatever, you know, this is just, I'm just listening to people be people.

And I don't know, there's something really, you know, I get really excited when I think about just like, where podcasting is going to be in 10 years. I think it's, you know, we haven't even seen like, you know, it's, it's still and it's just, oh, yeah, it's infancy, it's, it's, it's a very weird kind of evolving system. And I think we're going through a pretty transformative period with it right now. And people always ask me, because I have a pod, just to be clear, like, I have a podcast network in the sense that the way you like amplifying cool signals, that's what MPN is. It's nothing more. There's not like some built out structure to this thing that there's some profit sharing model where it's just, Hey, this is shit that I have identified is cool.

I know there's a platform that people tune into. Let me just add cool people to it. That's literally all it is. There's nothing else. And yeah, man, like I, that dynamic aspect of the best conversations in life, whether they're recorded or not, or when people are just honest and open with each other. And so if you're used to having, if you're used to having conversations like that, that's just your life, but if you're not and you don't see it, it is kind of revelatory. And it is something that you can immediately pick up on. Is someone putting on airs? Are they trying to project their perspective only?

And when you actually hear people just engaging it, it is. It reminds people of kind of what we're here for, which, you know, is probably the most highfalutin way I could talk about a podcast, but it is kind of what I think about them. Well, obviously, I mean, you're so right about all that. And I think, you know, my pod is a really great example of how, you know, I think it's kind of a similar, I mean, I draw a parallel line between podcast networks to record labels now, but like the cool record labels that really fucking, you know, blew my mind when I was young because they would basically do that same thing.

It's like, oh, you know, like Fugazi got huge, but they also recognized that they had power with that popularity and they, you know, kept Discord records going throughout that and then put all the bands that they thought were important on that label because they knew there was a good percentage of the people listening to them that would want to be checking out, you know, other music that, you know, they thought was cool. So, you know, I love that idea of just kind of like, you know, you're basically just making your own little world, your own little like record label of podcasts that are awesome.

Yeah, that's, I've never heard a poll like that and I fucking love that description because that's kind of what it feels like. And like, I consider, you know, the people on my iPod for the majority of the people, like those are, those are my people's like, those are my family, whether we talk often or not, like they know that if they need something, they can come to me and I know that, you know, for most of them, I could do the same and it's just, it's kind of just connecting people together, which is probably the theme of this podcast more than anything, the one you and I are having. Dude, I have immensely enjoyed this.

I have to run to take care of my son, but I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. I want to end with the questions, but before I do, where can people find out more about everything, you know, given their website at the very least? Yeah, you can go to, it's ColinFringesetto.com and if you have to Google that to figure out how to spell it, then I don't blame you. And you can kind of find everything else about me through there, but I'm basically at Colin Circa, most other places, Instagram, Twitter, and yeah, I mean, you can find me if you want to. And I'll link out to everything. I just know some people listen and they're like all geeked up from the conversation.

They're like, I want to connect with this person and then they hear you say it and they're like, I'm doing that right now. But don't do it if you're driving, obviously, but. You can always send me an email at Colincirca@gmail.com. Love it, dude. All right. Last questions. Again, this has just been really, really fun. If you're ever in the city, again, let me know. I'll try to come in because I would love to hear. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, favorite color. Favorite color has fluctuated over my life, but I'd say at the moment it is blue. Nice. Favorite number. 33. Oh, that one's man. I think you're the second person in like a few episodes to say that.

That one's been popping up everywhere for me recently, everywhere recently. Same. I think that's when Jesus was when he left his mortal coil, I believe. What is your favorite animal? Oh, man. Cover your ears, dogs. I have dogs and cats. See, I grew up with a cat and now I have a dog and I have a cat. That person. I love my dog. Don't get me wrong, but I know I'm my soul, it's cats. Last question. What's a practical tip that has helped you in your life that you could share with people listening? Practical tip is that if you think and act as if there's always a future, then you can kind of relax and know that you don't have to be perfect today.

Just kind of like realize that you're always a work in progress and that life is a work in progress. I love it. Colin, thanks so much for doing this, man. I really enjoy tuning into you on a daily basis and we're friends now. I can't wait to meet you on real life, dude. So awesome. Absolutely, brother. Right back at you. Thank you so much. It's an incredible honor to be on this podcast. Finally, I've been listening for so long and I think everything you're doing with Mind Pod is just, yeah, it's a fucking blessing. I really appreciate it all. So thank you. Oh, man. That means a lot. Thanks a lot, dude.

All right. We'll be in touch, bud. Yeah, man. Text me anytime. Send me gyps and nudes and whatever. Oh, I will. All right. Of course. All right. Peace, bud. All right. See you. I'm going to be in touch. All right. All right. Thanks for listening to that episode. Thank you. Thank you.