Ep. 3 - Jack Carroll

This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. That of course is John Tesh's intro to NBA Tonight. What was that, NBA? On NBC? Yeah, that's what it was. Man, that was good. As sung by me, because that's what that was and that's how I'm going to open up every single episode from here on out with that. Different renditions. Maybe I'll do a jazzy version, some other types. I don't know. We'll see. Jack Carroll, funny guy. You're going to like this one. Jack is a comedian based out of the UK, but he travels and is hilarious and is super smart and wise. Wise is the most appropriate word. He's also, what are you, Jack? 17 now? 17? I'm sure you're aging. I wish I was that smart and wise, what I was at his age. I was not even close, not even close. What do we go into here? We go into comedy, we go into depression, we go into other stuff that I'm forgetting right now, but more to the point, I think you're going to really enjoy this episode. One note, Jack is in the UK. I was based in the East Coast when this was recorded and we did it for you Skype. Jack was also leveraging his hotspot. The connection goes in and out. You'll be able to hear everything, but it goes in between telephone quality and a little bit better. I listened to it. It's not the worst thing in the world, and I'm pretty tough when I want to hear stuff because Jack really does say a lot of awesome stuff, so it's definitely worth listening to. Regardless of the audio quality, unless it was terrible, and then I would say don't waste your time. That audio is not good enough, don't listen to it. Without further ado, here is Jack Carroll. Thanks a lot.

All right, man. Thanks for doing this. Cool. I figured it was the perfect time to start a podcast because everyone else is doing it. That's usually when you get into things when it's oversaturated, way too many people doing it, no one gives a shit. That's the time to do it. That's when I identify it. I think it's appropriate. There's no real general theme of the podcast yet. I'm just interviewing people who I know, and I think are cool and are doing cool things. I don't really have a format, but I would like to start with... You see already. That's good. I wanted to start though with how do we know each other? Maybe you could explain that. How do we know each other? Because I was thinking about it. It's pretty interesting.

Yeah. Well, I reached out to the Love Serve Remember Foundation about two years ago, two years ago, two and a half years ago. You were the one who answered the message. Then also the one that I've harassed to get a regulatory moment back. I think that's basically it. That's one of my primary jobs is getting ready to email the right people back. I wanted to talk to you about your comedy mainly because you're one of the funniest people I know. You're also not to make this sound weird. You're one of the youngest people who I interact with on a normal basis in an adult way. I know other young, but they're kids. They're real kids. They're not kind of like you. No, not weird. Not weird exactly. He's what you're trying to say politely. That's basically what I'm trying to say. I don't know any other weird, younger people that I hang out with. I do think you're definitely one of the more interesting people I know. Your comedy is a huge part of who you are. For people who don't know, I'll have a little intro here explaining who you are, but you're now on a TV show in the UK, which I did a little research on, popular TV show. I wanted to talk to you.

You mentioned you reached out about the Ronda stuff. I know we've spoken here and there about spiritual stuff. We've gone on both sides of the coin with it. Very good, very weird. I just wanted to talk about how do you in any way views your personal interests maybe outside of comedy? I know it's all related with what you do as your job profession is a comedian. I think that is the main responsibility for a good comedian to try and see what's funny about what interests them. But I think how do I do it really? I don't know. That's a difficult one. I think you know your music and stuff as well. When you're there making something, it's difficult to see a process. But I think that is the hallmark of a decent comedian is to be able to have in whatever way you do it, to be able to view your personal interests into your act. I think that is a good thing to aim for. As far as how I do that, I suppose it's just... I think first of all, I'm interested in what's funny generally, like what is what's odd and what's fringe and what's esoteric. I think that lends itself quite naturally to finding a place in my act. That makes sense. That's what I'd say to that if it's not too... No, no, I think that makes sense. I think also I'm just interested generally in how comedians do what they do because I think everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people like to think that they're funny, right? They're funny. Yeah. Friends laugh at them, they tell jokes or whatever, regardless of whether they actually are funny or not. Of course. But to actually do it, people who I know who are comedians, from college, friends, people now, I mean, it is a really interesting way to approach the world because you're putting a particular spin or bent on things that I think what makes things funny is thinking about things in an unusual way. So it kind of leads people to different approaches to it. Yeah. I think that's the sort of danger thing is, after a certain point. It's like once you're on a sort of spiritual path, it can be very hard to close your eyes to that sort of thinking. Once you think like a comedian, it can be very... And that can sort of create causes because after a sort of weird or traumatic event, you think, "Oh, well, it's done." Might get a new five minutes of material. And that is the sort of dichotomy and the weirdness that a lot of comics have. But it's an interesting aspect of looking at life, I think. Because a lot of people are like a common misconception, I think, is that comedians, the best comedians are like depressed, miserable people because of either the way they're looking at the world or there's just a correlation. Like the same correlation people say between talented musicians and dying before the age of 27. It may or may not be true. Some examples of it, of course.

But I'm curious to hear your take on that because I'm sure you have a lot of comedian friends and I'm sure you... Yeah. I've been funny that you're bringing up that dying before the age of 27 things because not for me. Hilarious, actually, yeah. Odd that you bring it up because my sister and my mum went to see the Amy Whitehouse film at the weekend. And it's sort of weird how that is a common sort of theme that is thrown out there. It seems to have something to do with iconoclasm. And I was thinking like the rational explanation for that as well. Maybe we just don't remember the ones that live quite as much as we remember the ones that die. But that seems to have something to do with the sort of energy that radiates off those types of people. And then it's about finding the way I suppose to mediate that sort of... Well, they say it's like the saying the candle that burns twice as bright last half is long. It's like expending so much energy. You can't last that long. Which I think there's something to be said that. What about the connection between being depressed and a comedian? Real or not? It happens, yeah. Because I was talking with my uncle about this because he works with depressed people. And he's just gone to work with bipolar organization and I didn't know what. When he told me I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. I'm sorry.

No, it's good. But I'm ching. I'm sorry. I don't have the rimshot effect in the podcast yet. I'll put it in post. Yeah. Yeah. I will. I will. Thank you. Yeah. But I was talking with him about that. And I think a comedian is sort of in the same way that maybe an artistic person sees normal people's behavior as slightly odd or weird. And they're sort of not physically disassociated but mentally sort of to the ways of society. You know, I think a lot of them can see through the game. And if you're not able to sort of to manage that, then I suppose that can lead to a sort of depression and alienation. And maybe that's why it happens.

And also, you know, there's your brain has got to be, you've got to be a little bit mad to be able to do what, you know, what comics do on a regular basis that you've got to feel a bit crazy already. Yeah, in a good way. And also could be a battle. I mean, I think that's incredibly poignant what you're saying about the connection of seeing the world and kind of seeing through bullshit or I don't, not necessarily bullshit, but just kind of the systems that maybe some of us say for granted, you know, the veil or something seeing through it, you can have one of two approaches and an analytical quick mind that can make jokes out of something is a very useful skill if you actually realize that there's a levity behind it. But if you start taking it seriously and, you know, really seeing that still while being a comedian, I think that's really, really an astute point. I mean, I think, yeah, that's really, really smart. I mean, that's, because I've, you know, you look at any, any comedian, I always think the, you know, the big exception to the unhappy comedian role. And I know there's a ton and so it's a generalization, but it's like someone like Jerry Seinfeld, who just genuinely seems like a guy who's happy all of the time, like really doesn't like maybe to a fault. Who knows? But he's not, so he's a very successful arguably one of the most successful. Oh, definitely. So, and you know, look at someone like Ricky Gervais, right? Someone who will certainly, you know, campaigns for animal rights and very serious issues. You can tell, like, it really isn't taking himself that seriously, you know? So it's very, I think there's, there's a lot to be said with having the right approach to see this stuff, but also not engage with it, which I think is a relevant metaphor for life in a big way, right? So very astute, very, that's, that's brilliant, man. Yeah, definitely. That's really interesting. That definitely is like, yeah, you can't get, you can't get too attached. It is, you know, it's, I think the point of, you know, the, if you're not having fun in a way you're missing the point of the thing, like you should, it's not, it can't all be fun, obviously, but, you know, it's, it's, I think, you know, just, it is good to, to laugh and try and, because like, I don't think like a lot of people go and say, you know, well, if I didn't laugh, I'd cry, I don't think that's the case. Like, I think, you know, if I didn't laugh, I'd be much more unhappy because therefore, the being, you know, that, that is, that is what I first and foremost above all else, above all the reading and the sort of getting deep into the esoteric weird stuff is like, that is what I do and have done for forever. Yeah. Like, forever. So if I didn't have that, I don't know, don't know how my life would have turned out really. Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, one of the other reasons that I think I've noticed with a lot of comedians, not all of them or, or just people who I think are funny, they have a, a clarity about them. They see things in somewhat of a clear way, which doesn't mean that they're going to approach it in the right way, but they have to have some sharp, incisive kind of perspective on what's going on. Maybe an outsider's perspective, maybe an insider with an outsider's perspective. So I think there's clearly a relationship there between the parallels of what people experience throughout their lives, the ups and downs, how you're going to react to those, what is the meaning of it? Because we all know, like, a ton of fucked up shit happens in the world. And you certainly have any number of approaches that, you know, ways to approach fucked up things. You can cry about it, you can grieve about it, you can laugh about it, and they're all appropriate at various times. It's not to exclude one from the other, but I think that lightness that comedy gives people, whether they know what the real benefits of it are or not is really important. I mean, this one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you about all this stuff is I myself and many other people I've known can fall into the trap of getting spiritual to the point of it not being fun and it being like a chore and something serious, like you get the pictures of like, you know, Catholic nuns, like beating people for doing the wrong thing or, you know, people not eating and fasting for 20 days. And it's a huge thing. And there's there's reasons that people do those things. It's not to say that there's they're completely just categorically wrong. But when it becomes something serious, I think that puts like a rigidity to it, which is not in line with how this stuff actually works. So I really love talking to people like you, who seem to intuitively get this, especially at a young age, which just constantly blows my mind.

Yeah, I think that's it. Like, there's no matter how deep they try to get into it, like, whether I, you know, I don't do this now, but like, the weird magic. Yeah, you're rich, like magic. Yeah, like, when I do, it's a little part of my brain, the rational part, the comedian part of my brain was going, okay, crazy, you're doing that. Have you seen yourself, you mad bastard? You know, of course, it was, have you, what, what, what are you doing? Just go watch some family again, chill out for a bit. And that is it, I suppose, like that be, that is the mechanism in my head to stop me hopefully falling into any, you know, kind of fundamentalist ideas. Right. Even, because I think even sort of, I don't know whether this is like, because I've never suffered properly, but depression seems to be a little bit of a, a cycle of from the mentalist ideas. Not in a bad way, because obviously it's one that really is to do with a chemical imbalance in the brain and can't be helped, but it, I would hope that that I've got some sort of safety mechanism to, you know, where I can just sort of check myself in the words of ice cube before I, I wreck myself. Yeah. That, that is sort of it, I think.

Well, like, when in the times like I've gone through bad days with anxiety and stuff like that, it seems to be a social bacteria in cycle as, oh, well, what if they, and then what if this happens, what if this happens, and I think the same is with depression, but in a, in a more self-critical world rather than a fear of having anxiety sort of where. And, and that seems, it's easy said than done to be able to break that, because sometimes it does feel genuinely impossible. But like that, from a complete outsider's point of view, does seem to be sort of a fundamentally stopped. Is that? The difference between anxiety and depression, right? Anxiety is externally projected things that can happen to you. Depression, I think you're right. It's an internal kind of anxiety about yourself and not knowing what's going on. It's, they're both examples of fear, right? And I think, you know, going back, I'm going to continuously tie it back to the comedy stuff with you. One of the best antidotes for fear that I know is comedy, right?

Laughing about something that's truly terrifying actually helps, right? Like that can snap someone out of like a completely panicked point of view. So, I think they're related. I mean, I think you're, you're naturally kind of, what I like about you, Jack, is you latch on to these concepts and you, you, you, you say them in a way that is plain spoken and makes sense. But they're also like, you, you live this actually. I think if you note your own patterns, this is actually what you're doing and it's really cool, man. Yeah. I think that, like, that is something you've got to, you've got to do because I think if, you know, if you know, like with the depression being, and the anxiety and being, as you say, completely destroyed by humor, like the, I've got like, even in the worst throws of like a panic attack that, like a message you didn't have, you'd be able to come. And there was, you know, I was having this really, really weird, weird experience like through what I don't know is anxiety, thank God. And there was old Spanish men outside my hotel room glowing arms in protest. And you know, even, even though I'd lost, like, I thought I'd lost connection to the world around me and I was not the same, that is still very funny. The fact that there's old Spanish men buying Honda, there's a sort of, there's a sort of accompaniment to this breakdown. That is like, that's really funny. And like, I think that that is, it's great at nullifying fear. Like, there's a comedian here, well, he's dead now, but he's a comedian called Bob Monkhouse, right? And I am, I'm not, I'm not a, like, not a massive fan of his, because he's sort of an old 70s style pre-alternative thing. But he reinvented himself in the 1990s, just, just, I think it was the night, just before he died. And he got cancer. And he had a joke, which was, I've got a funeral pile in me in my home, and they've got a picture of me in the window with coming soon next to it. Like, what a great way to just nullify any, like, that is just, death has come for him, and he's just jabbed it in the face. Like, I mean, that, that's, that's exact, I was watching a documentary on Netflix, The Tig, The Tig Nataro, which is, you know, she got diagnosed with cancer, was having tons of issues. And then one night just went, I think it was the comedy seller. I might be wrong about that. But she went and just did like, you know, stand up, and just basically wore hard on her sleeve, bore everything out, and they turned into this massive phenomena. And you could tell, like, that, that type of comedy is what cuts through that. There's two aspects of comedy, right? There's the external, you as a comedian must know, that making people feel good, right? Letting people escape from their daily travels by laughing at something. And then there's the internal benefit of when you're laughing at something that escape is also doing something else to you. It's giving you, even for a brief moment, another perspective on your situation, which to me, that's one of the key takeaways that I've discovered in life is the more perspectives you can cultivate, the easier your life will seem, right? I don't know if it's actually going to get easier. You could still have devastating things happen at any point in time. But if you're able to look at it from different perspectives, the chances of you not being so tied down to the situation, um, increases. So I, I definitely, I think that's just such a powerful thing. And it's just something I'm, I'm really interested in exploring continuously. I mean, it's, it's, you know, it depends on the guests I'm going to have on the show. But I think there's a lot to be said what's going on in the comedy world all over the world right now. To me, it seems almost like a renaissance of comedy. I think we're at the perfect time with the technology where it's at, how quickly things can move. And also the voices and the people who are a part of it, yourself included. I mean, I think it's just like a really exciting time.

And, you know, it also, one of the things that comes with comedy is sometimes there's a sense of cynicism. And I think kind of navigating the cynical kind of fucked up things that happen in the world, but in a light way that shows that there's still good things happening is really important. And you don't want to be like a goofball about it, right? You don't want to be heavy-handed, like, Oh, I'm going to be the comedian who says everything is okay. I'm the optimistic. It's like horrible. Like who the fuck is that person? But also towing the line of just like the weird shit that happens in life and giving people a release is really an important role, I think.

You know, I think I've been watching, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but while I've been filming, I think you will have done because we've tried about it before. But while I've been filming, I've been watching a lot of Louie leave the sitcom. And that guy, man, he's just like that. That show is just one of the, one of the best things. It's just, it's just, that is just so good. And as well, I think he had a very interesting thing in the article I was reading within, like, nobody said I don't, I'm paraphrasing there, but something like, I don't want to go and decry the evils of the world. I want to put all that on my shoulders and like, say, well, I'm a shit person sometimes.

And this is like, this is how I'm, how I'm acting, you know, now, and rather than go, oh, well, because there's only so much like screaming about, you know, the election can get you. Not to mention, it's like shooting fish in a barrel at a certain point, right? Like, I mean, how easy is it? I always say this and I was a big daily show fan. But at a certain point, I didn't watch it that much anymore because I'm like, it's, it's like never ending target practice. Like, you're taking aim at people who are literally just come on. How would you not make, it's harder not to make fun of them. That should be the type of comedy we're doing not making fun of this video was like, intelligent. Um, yeah, I mean, I, I love Louie. I mean, I stand up and his show. I mean, he's, he's brilliant. I mean, he, I think that's really important that you heard him say that, that focusing on your, because that's another key tenant, afraid, all the spiritual stuff. It starts with you. If you put it all on you and you approach the world and the things that are fucked up and you start with, the things are in you, that's only going to have a positive impact on the people around you. And then hopefully the world at large. But if you're just raging against the machine of all the stupid shit, not only is it somewhat easy, but it's also like, you're right, like, what are you going to do at a certain point? I mean, what is that actually helping with? What is that really? Are you contributing a new voice to something, um, and a twist? So yeah, that's very, that I think what, like you were saying earlier, like he's so great at distilling the human experience, just sort of taking a thing and, and then just ringing out all the jokes from him. But, but like, it's obviously, it's basically like, it's a little bit in the same vein as Jerry Seinfeld, but like, completely different because it's observational comedy, but about about him and the little voice in his head rather than, hey, it's funny that, you know, things are like this. And like that, that, well, at a certain point, you sort of go, yeah, but what else, like, you've said 20 things that we've all noticed during our day, but what are you going to do now? What's your take on that?

Right. And like, I think that is where he's sort of really good at distilling the human experience into like, even if like you can't, I think all these great artists like a very good distilling human experience. And even if you don't hit on it directly, you know, connects with you personally, you've, you've had something like it. And that, that, it's sort of like, it is finding common ground and it is observational. But in a, let's face it, in a better way, that, you know, the right, the way in a more difficult way. Well, I think also what, what makes Louis and other comedians and just any artist, whatever they're doing, like you said, is the more genuine they are as a person, like everyone's unique, right? Let's just take that as a thing. There, there are no two people, no matter how homogenized we'd like to believe people to be in any, you know, demographic, whatever it is.

No, everyone's unique, but to live that uniqueness and be genuine and also have the confidence to communicate it to the world in a specific way and do it well, that's the skill that we're talking about, right? I mean, that what, that's what separates people. I mean, anyone can make observational humor, right? I mean, if you sat down, I mean, I think anyone could actually do this, sit down, find things that you think are common experiences, try to get you might be shitty jokes, but you can do it and someone's probably going to like it. But to really extrapolate what's going on inside of your mind, realize how ridiculous so many of the things in our minds are and then communicate that and relate it to something at large is a skill. And that's why Cosby didn't do that and he just threw out blunt observations because if he looked inside himself, he'd be going, oh, well, the stuff, you know, the stuff I'm doing, it's really not, not okay. But like the character that he was projecting of Bill Cosby family man, like that, that was a nice shield for him to not have to look within himself and go, are you being people dreadful? I'm a dreadful rapist. And like, you know, maybe, maybe if you don't like a little, you know, a little bit about like the not, but just before it got to that stage of, well, you know, got a few, got a few ludes lying around and I don't know.

But like that is approach was well, you know, that's interesting. I would just based on what's come out, I'm thinking this is more detailed planning than like, ah, I got there. Let's go. Yeah. Well, but that is the thing like that he was the epitome of like what the most extreme level of what we've just been talking about, where someone is presenting a character in the world, like he is literally presented a facade to cover for like, yes, what what we found out was within, which was the worst of human behavior. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, that's, well, I think Bill Cosby, I mean, let's go there because it's certainly on every, a lot of people's minds, especially when talking about comedy, but, you know, he, I, I will admit that I don't know if this is admitting it.

Now, I never really found Bill Cosby to be that funny. I didn't like the Cosby show. Like my wife loved the Cosby show, you know, loves the intro, loves everything. You know, I've heard his stand up, the Noah Zark thing and, you know, it's okay, but it never struck me. And this may just be a generational thing as much as anything else, but he was never a comedian, like who I would put up there as like, this guy is one of the big ones. But if you look at his career prior to all of this horrible, horrible, horrible stuff, really green attraction, because the truth is this stuff had been out there for decades. This isn't new. It's just we're refocusing on it in a more consistent light now. He's, he's a juggernaut of comedy. That's why this is such a big deal. I never, I never really got the whole thing. I like the pudding pops voice, right? He doesn't like the doing any of that. But I mean, I think there's really, that's the type of comedy when I'm talking about the Renaissance, I guess, that I've been noticing and seeing some of it through podcasts, like people like Duncan, the pharaoh audio, definitely anyone listening, check that out, Dustin does amazing stuff there. It's this authenticity that's coming from people's personal experiences and translating it into a more universal thing and not a facade, not like I'm, you know, doing this type of like, because like, right, isn't it almost like putting on a facade like that, a form of prop humor, right? You're, you're putting up a fake you as the prop, right? It's not actually what's going on. So, yeah, I think, yeah, that, and that being, you know, the anti phony brand of comedy, which I think has become popular, is also helpful for those depressed comedians, because before, you know, Robin Williams had have to go, like, it's not half a gram of coke and then run around the stage screaming about, you know, George Bush for 45 minutes. And then, and then go sit in his car and be depressed for the rest of the day. And like, now I don't think you have to do that as much. You just sort of, well, I'm depressed. And that's the, that's the sort of the, the, the fact of the matter is, I'm depressed and that and like, what is funny about that? If you want, if that's what your humor is, maybe that's not where, not where his humor was. But the, the, I think, like, it makes every time I see, and I put it on the face, but pretty regularly as well, every time I see a thing about Robin Williams, it, like, reminded me that he's no longer here.

Yeah. It makes me sad, like, properly, that he will not be able to make any more things, or, you know, I would have, and that is a sort of thing with Carlin and Hicks as well. What would they make of what the world in 2015, and, and that sort of thing as well. So I think, and that's what sort of, like, yeah, I think that, that's the thing is, is like being able to the anti-fowniness of, and again, as well, that's not to say, like, that some comedy that is not like, like, yeah, no, no, because I get it. It's not to say that the comedy that you're doing, I think you're breaking up, so I'm going to fill in until you come back. But it's not to say the comedy that people are doing is inauthentic too. They are, like, there's value to lots of different types of comedy. Slapstick, right? That's not like someone being an authentic real person, but it can be funny. I definitely get that. Yeah, consider that. There's, there's an issue of sort of going up with, in a leather jacket, smoking a cigarette, and thinking you bill Hicks, and just like, and just shouting about like, oh, well, the government, and then he sort of go, well, yes, you've pointed out the problem. We all know, like, we all know that the government does some awful things sometimes, but what are your solutions? Right, exactly. Or what's your new take on it? What is some other way to look at it? I mean, well, I think you're just describing Dennis Leary, if you're just talking about doing a Bill Hicks impression. Oh my God, that guy, man, that guy. So to steal, to steal a dead man's act, right? To steal the essence of a dead man.

And then, after you've made all your money to completely discard the politics and become a Republican, what a dreadful person. It's not great. It's not great. It's not great. And that's a big, well, did you see recently, this was a big comedy thing, or the fat Jew? Yeah, this is a huge, huge deal now. And just so people who may not know what I'm talking about, the fat Jew were not being callously racist. It's an Instagram Twitter account where someone who he would take other people's jokes and memes and things that they did were funny, and then use them as himself to gain popularity. And then also, directly, many times, purposely not attribute where he was getting the material from. He designed a massive deal with CAA, an agency, and a lot of people are up in arms because they're like, hey, this is bullshit. This guy's literally just stealing jokes and getting rich. What is he like? Is he a comic? Why is he signed with CAA? That's a great question.

I don't know. I mean, I think it's probably a general entertainer. I never got into the whole fat Jew thing because I had seen a lot of the stuff he posted before he posted it to me. He would just add a hack need comment. And I'd be like, what is the point? It was like, I think it's funny when I find it the first time from the person who put it. And there's nothing wrong with sharing things you find funny. I think it was just the way he was doing it. I saw a video he did where he slid into a kitty pool of chili or something. It wasn't funny. I mean, it was like, yeah. Yeah. Well, that is the thing. Now the bitterness is coming out about me about the, but I don't want to generalize, but most so-called, I've been posting on Facebook about this, but the comedians that only use Vine and Twitter and things like that, you know, that don't actually, that are not making like, that are not, that think they're a comedian because they can make a six-second clip of punching someone in the face and running away. They are terrible. I think they have taken the place in sort of the zeitgeist of those, of only things that we were talking about, like those, because it's quick and easy and you don't have to think too deeply about what's just happened to you. Like, that's the thing is, and a lot of them are sort of racist and, you know, not not.

That's the, I mean, I use Vine. I'm like one of the only people in my age who I know who use Vine regularly. I like to follow a few people in particular, but they're typically like, found footage, edited stuff. I think that's really a clever way to use a platform, but I mean, I've, if you ever go into Vine as someone who's not used it and try to go, go to the comedy section and you see what comes up as comedy. And these people have millions of followers and Vine millions and millions of times. I don't get it, man. I don't, I don't understand it. It's, it's not comedy. And you can tell, I mean, there's something to be said, I think one of the things we haven't been explicitly saying, but you can kind of, comedy is so dependent on the person or people making it, right? It really is them digging down inside of themselves and sharing something. So when it's this superficial kind of candy coated, quick, like, here's what it is, like, yeah, it may give you a chuckle, but is it really, is it really what we're going for with this stuff? I mean, there's probably, you know, merit to both sides of the argument for that. But I have experienced what you've experienced, which is I find it to be very fleeting. Here's the difference, right? Here's something I hope this doesn't sound egotistical. But I put up quotes. I spoke about this, I spoke about this on an earlier podcast.

I put up quotes every day on Facebook every weekday. Part of it is for other people. A large part of it is for myself to, to review, to think about it, to find it in the morning, to set the day up like that. There are also millions of other people on social media putting up quotes. You can tell the people who just found a quote, put it up because it's quick and it sounded nice and it was cutesy. And then like an actual quote that is like, really has some substance behind it. And I think that's the same type of deal between the comedy that we're talking about. And it's really, yeah, definitely. And I think, like, the, the, the, the, the EDCA of Vine and those sort of things, learning itself to, at a deeper level, is part of a capitalist culture that lends itself to the, the fact you've been able to steal from, like, poor comics who can't, like, that's the thing, it lends itself to that, that, that, that savory. And then it's okay because, oh, well, you know, I'm, I'm okay. I've sorted myself out like I don't have to worry about who I've, who I've played, you're right. And like, I think that, that is it. And kind of just say, like, you quote supremely, I love your quotes on Facebook there. Great. And also then I can see quotes that have sort of been stolen from imposter Drake Instagram, say, like, let's say, hard work and dedication, and like, or something, you know, equally stupid, like that, like, there's, there is a real difference in quality. You're, you're doing, you know, um, how this hooks Liam, all that sort of thing. And like, well, it is, it's what you're talking about. It's, it's the attention and intention behind what people are sharing with the world. And I think the more reflective you are on, on what you're sharing, not to a point of like tripping yourself up and being overly critical and self, you know, overly analytical, but really just putting some attention and care into what you're communicating is, isn't important. It's like, people on, people don't get that. And I agree. This is a huge issue with the web for all of its amazing, incredible qualities. It does, it has, at least we don't know if it's inherent to the web. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. Maybe it's inherent, like you're saying, to advertising and capitalistic materialistic society, but it is definitely lending itself to these quick hits of just temporal, transient, superficial, you know, blast. And I, I can, I mean, you don't need a major studies to tell that that's probably not going to be good for, for younger people or just people connected to the, to the web all day long, which is a lot of people.

And then my attention span is worth because of it. Like, hey, I find it difficult to sit and read, like, I'd much prefer to read an article than I would, you know, a full book about the thing. Like, and I think that's been evidenced in, you know, I was, I was hearing someone the other week talk about a study that, like, you know, if a YouTube video doesn't grab someone within the first, yeah, two, three seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Then they're gone. And like, that's the thing. I, I wanted to ask you actually about hooks, like, because I put it on Facebook, on, you know, Facebook, not, not a great, a great pun. And I was just like, where did that come from? They said it was like a, because I read a quote that's, I think, Joe Rogan also wrote a book on Facebook, but it was like, about the pharmacological, what does he call it? Where there'll be, there'll be, basically the, the, due to a pharmacological thing, the society will be happy to be subordinate to the evil people. And someone commented in the name, like, that wasn't, that wasn't a friendly warning. He was girting. I'm like, what I said, well, I have, uh, you know, my main experience without this Huxley come, comes from a couple different areas, obviously Brave New World and Island books. Great, great, great. I mean, those are standard on their own outside of who he was as a person. And then the other area is, um, Ram Das was friendly with him.

And him and his wife, Laura Huxley, and they had a lot of conversations. Aldous Huxley was actually the person who gave Ram Das, um, the copy of the Tibetan book of the dead, him and Tim Leary. And they found parallels, uh, between their psychedelic experiences and the book, which was obviously pretty astounding to them. So, you know, he clearly has a huge standing in the psychedelic world, um, and in the philosophical world. Now, having seen some videos of him speaking and read some of his writings, I think he had an air of confidence about him. I think he was also decades ahead of most people in realizing the influence of what we now know to be what we live in advertising world, you know, industrial, military complex, all these things that really he predated, um, he was right on. So I imagine that rubbed quite a few people the wrong way, right? I mean, that is, in the same way when I talk about something, maybe a little too confidently, regardless of what I'm saying, if the person thinks I'm being a dick, they don't care if I'm right or wrong. So I can only, like, I didn't know him, obviously. I only have, you know, stuff we have recorded in history.

I don't get the sense that there was anything. I think he was just very opinionated and and had a very real take on the world. Also, you know, to throw in the extra bit, he was a big LSD taker, you know, that's how he died. He actually took LSD. He not because of it, but he was dying and tripped off into infinity. I have found it terrifying. Uh, well, you never know. You never know him. You know, why is that you pun? No, me? No, no, no. I haven't done LSD in well over a decade. Some other psychedelics here and there. But, um, yeah, no, I mean, I, I was going to say, and then I was checking myself in my head here, I was going to say a lot of people who do, uh, psychedelics, mind expanding drugs, transcendental drugs, whatever you want to call them, are typically pretty open minded. Um, but that I actually have experiences where that's not the case. Um, there's plenty of people I know who think because they've taken psychedelics or had some type of experience with outside, whatever it is, that that somehow puts them in a more knowledgeable category and than most people. And so other people are then to be looked down upon on because they even had the experience and that I think there's a pretty pervasive culture of that underlying a lot of these things. That being said, I never really got that vibe from Huxley. A lot of the quotes, you know, that I find from him or, or things I've read actually really seem to be very insightful, poignant and have quite a bit of empathy, you know, in them. So that's just been like, yeah, that, that's what sort of shot me that it was like, I've read, I've read, I've read like, a lot, a lot of Ireland, I didn't quite finish it, but I read them out of it. And, um, I've read obviously the quotes that you put up and a few different quotes. And he seemed a decent guy. Like, I just want to know what, you know, don't, don't be having to go. He's, he's all right, he's all of us. And that, that is the sort of, like, I think they were thinking that you were sort of a shill of the government. But then again, if you speak, if even if you get shared on the internet, then you're at some lunatic, what color are you a shill of the governments? And that, as well, I was reading the other week as well. Apparently, people were saying like, Hunter S Thompson was involved with the Bohemian Grove and that sort of thing as well. So, like, you know, what, who can you, you can only take really what you know for definite, which is, yeah, some pretty cool things. Like, yeah.

Exactly. I mean, and Hunter is Thompson. I mean, talk about that's another, that's a completely different type of guy, right? I mean, he was, you know, not an anarchist, but within the confines of society was completely outrageous. I forget which documentary it was. It was like his last days. And there was a documentary and like, you know, he was just, he was a really, really interesting guy and also just took a lot of drugs, like a lot, a lot of drugs. So, you know, people would take a lot, a lot of drugs. You're probably going to find examples on them either contradicting themselves or being kind of a little loony at times. I mean, that comes part in Bartle with it. But yeah, I'll just Huxley is a really very, very interesting guy. And I think just one of those people I look back to who was like, okay, this guy was ahead of his time. Like he's, he's, he's quotes. I mean, you know, quoting people from older than him a lot of the time, but anyone who's relatively in the past 100 years, 200 years, whose quotes still hold up, like they're, they're on to something, you know, they're, they were tapping into something deeper than their cultural resonance at the time. So that's, yeah.

Including the phony Drake Instagram, like, yeah, you didn't have my back, well, I didn't need you anyway for a start. I love that. You know, ahead of his time. He's ahead of his time. He's, that's 30 years. He's going to look like a savant. I mean, yeah, I always just had, I just, you know, I don't know. Maybe I'm just holding myself in too high of a light, but I just, you know, it's one of the things that I think does a disservice to any spiritual, spirituality is hard enough to get into on its own, right? With all of the stuff that comes with it, all of the ways it can change your outlook, your approaches, some of it won't do at all.

You don't need to make it sappier and cornier than people already think it is, right? So when that stuff is just what people are used to seeing, you're not, you're not helping anyone there. And, this is a funny thing. Like, I messaged a new last night about this book. I'm watching this at primers recently at the moment. And Jan, he goes, turn it to primers line is, we've had this before, to assist the Janics, we've had this before with you, Vishnu, and you fucking Richard Halper. Yeah. And that, that, like, she, she is obviously using, like, the, the spiritual in flitting from seem to seem, you know, spiritual thing to spiritual thing as a defense mechanism to not analyze her terrible behavior. And that, you know, well, I've had a complicated one. Like, I think that, that is sort of defense shield. Oh, without a doubt, as well. And that, and that, that is a thing with a lot of people as well. Well, I think the easiest way to identify someone who's kind of approaching it like that is if something bad happens to someone else and they say it's karma.

If someone says that's karma, then that means they don't understand really what's going on. Sharon Salzburg had a, had a great quote. I'm going to paraphrase it, but she was like, it's not karma unless it's happening to you. Don't, don't ever talk about someone else's karma, because truthfully, and I believe this, it's far too complex for us to understand if you're, if you're incorporating the belief that, you know, of reincarnation in multiple lives, you know, the way that karma could interact with a soul or a person throughout multiple lives, like you have no idea where we can barely plan for a week ahead of today. We, we can't go back that far. So, you know, like, yeah, I really, I really don't think the Supreme being cares who slow you boyfriend, particularly. Well, they might, they might, but not in the way you probably go. Yeah, it's totally true. So, yeah, I mean, I, I think that, that anything can be used, whether it's comedy, spirituality, anything can be used for your own selfish purposes to either, as a defense mechanism, either as an attack mechanism, as a egoic type of relationship, it, that's why I think, you know, having some base to come back to things, some, some way to look at it from, from a clear, clear perspective, whether that's comedy, whether it's, you know, a guru, whether it's, you know, you, a community based initiative where you feel good doing good for other people, something that those types of tools, I think ultimately are what help people truthfully, because like you can't stop, you can't stop bad stuff from happening, you can mitigate it, you can plan, you can try, but it's still gonna happen. We're all still gonna get sick, we're all gonna have loved ones who die, we're all gonna die. So it's cultivating kind of an approach that can serve you throughout life that to me is, that's, that's at least what I'm trying to do. And I notice you doing it too. I mean, that's, that's me is incredibly inspiring. In a way, in a way, again, some of the concepts still seem abstract to me, but like, big, and also, I don't, I shouldn't even really be talking about this, because I haven't practiced in months of being just happy sort of.

And also, as I've said before, like, with this new and anxiety thing, whatever it is, everything is tinged with that now. So I think, you know, if I, if I chant the Harry Krishna mantra, that I'll suddenly be carried off into heaven and not be able to identify with, you know, not be able to play the Witcher or do anything for me. It's very, it's very good. It's very good. Oh, my God. It's good. It's good. I mean, I'm going bananas for it. It's just like, I'm, I'm probably put in like 60 hours. I don't even think I'm halfway through the game. Yes. Incredible. All right, continue, sorry. That is, well, you know, I think as well, like that, um, that yes, or that thing of it, that is why I haven't been because again, that's an irrational fear and definitely what happened. But you know, as I've said, I'm trying to do the thing, you're saying, which is tether yourself back to just a normal existence for a while, which I think I was talking with this about with my cousin the other week as well, like, um, you know, and it goes back to what we were talking about at the start, the iconic class on and the dime before 27. I was going, Oh, you know, obviously Jim Morrison went through this sort of shit.

But instead of trying to tether himself and, you know, talking about it and that he decided to eat lots of mushrooms and drink a bottle of whiskey every morning. And that, like, and that is why, you know, he didn't last too long because he wasn't able to tether himself back to reality after all this, you know, adversity. The more you plunge into the creative field, unconscious things that aren't tangible esoteric. Uh, yeah, I think there is a necessary, you can go very, very deep, but you want that thing, like if you're jumping into the water in the ocean, you need that line that's still connected to you. Can't just go scuba diving off into the abyss forever. Otherwise, you're going to be lost. You're not going to be coming back. So to have that connection, whatever it is, um, I know in times where I've, uh, in the past gone off the deep end, I've dived off the diving board and been in the deep end for a little bit.

I've found things as mundane as sports to, to a lot of people, like people don't understand how I, I, I, I'm a huge American football fan. Anyone who follows me on Twitter will know this very soon. Um, but, you know, that, that is something that really kept me grounded. Uh, and it's something I think many people would approach like sports is stupid. That's the opiate of the masses. It's, it's, uh, obviously just, uh, you know, look at, uh, FIFA, look at the NFL, look at these horrible institutions that have surrounded it, but at the same time, there's something there that connects us to other people in life, uh, and not in a superficial way that is really important. So there, there is, there's two things we're talking about. We're talking about delving into the unseen and things that we can't really perceive with our five senses, but yet we have a very good feeling, either via intuition or some experiences that this stuff exists. And then approaching regular life, right? We've decided to be in one way, shape or form a part of life and society. So really walking that type rope and, and figuring out how to do that is a, is a challenge for a lot of people, I think.

Yeah. And like, that can be difficult because I think I've, I've sort of tethered the, the, the thing with trying to tell these off back to normal, normalcy, it can be, can be difficult because, like, the thing that I do to try and tell them as all back to normalcy is, um, that I think the same brain that I've mentioned this before, but the same brain that sort of gave me a sense of, yeah, everything will probably be fine. Like, as now, due to whatever reason, big, with that same ferocity and power that gave me such a sense of wellbeing, as now decided to be hired if I, yeah, by a caveman. And now, and now it's messing me around. And like, that's, the sort of thing is, I think, you know, being, having an overactive imagination or, or brain can sometimes not be the best thing. And it's about finding a way to just go, all right, calm, calm. Exactly. That's what it is, man. I mean, I think there's so many, so many different ways to do that, you know, ranging from meditation to a mantra to something like comedy, something like sports, something like writing, something like making music, whatever it is that works for you as an individual, that's what you need to do. Because eventually, if you keep doing that thing over and over again, it really becomes an ally to you. And you can pull your side out of, out of deeper and darker situations, which, you know, may not get deeper and darker for everyone, but they happen. And I think that's kind of the, that's, that's what I basically, what I realized this, this show is going to be about is trying to talk to people about what their personal ones are, and also what they can share to help other people. Because there's, no one is, no one person is exactly the same, just because I believe in a, you know, monkey God with magical powers, doesn't mean everyone else should or approach it in the same way. And my relationship, yeah. But they should. No, of course, yeah, no, I mean, that's why I preach an invalid. I mean, I have, I have, yeah, yeah, convert to Hanuman.com. I got it. Yeah, please, no, but the threat helps of the monkey God world. I want to be the event evangelical. Are you kidding me? Have you, did you see this John Oliver thing he did with these evangelical church hotlines, you know, oh, watch it. Watch it. It's amazing. I mean, he, he signed up as a church. His show is a church, because it's apparently really easy to skirt tax laws. If you say you're just an institution, and it's apparently very easy to say that. And these people are literally like, send me money and I'll cure your cancer through the screen. It's like, holy shit, you're a demon person. Like, what do you not know the ramifications? But, oh, check that out. It's great. This John Oliver. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah, that's what, that's what I want to be. I want to have a evangelical TV show for Hanuman where people can come up and send me lots of money and I heal their things with magic powers. That's my dream. That's all. This is just a good way to that. Just go right. Okay, I've got a big orange here and I'm going to eat it and then you'll be cured because of who represents exactly. Yeah. And that, that, like, I think, I wonder where that fear comes from now, because I was thinking about this the other week. And just as I'm getting myself on an even kill, I think however little the spirituality does affect consciousness in some way. And I think it's important for me now to get myself back on an even kill before I can start, you know, messing around with, I think that's smart. I think that's smart. Well, listen, here's the other thing.

We spoke about this privately is with the ritualistic magic, I don't think people realize how potent that type of stuff can be. I think there are unseen, there are unseen ramifications for anything we do psychically with a lot of intention and focus. And to be aware of them is usually can be a good thing. But if you're just like prodding the unconscious and prodding an unseen world, you don't know what you're going to get back. And that may sound woo to some people. But I mean, this is based on personal experience. You had a personal experience about this with this stuff. So, you know, I think that's why I think approaching this stuff in not too heavy of a way and at the right time and knowing that, you know, truthfully, you know, when you approach spiritual stuff in the right way, it'll feel right. It won't feel forced. It won't feel phony. It won't feel icky.

It'll just feel like, yeah, this is this is this is what's up, you know, and it may change. You may totally gravitate towards something else later, but there will be a common thread that ties all those experiences together and just kind of honing in on that and just being a regular person. I think that's where it's at. I mean, that's, um, Grant Morrison's quote about that is life plus significance equals magic. Yeah. And that and that's it. Like you look back on things and go, well, you know, maybe if that hadn't have happened or things turned out this way, then I wouldn't have got here. And but like, that's the thing as well is, I didn't even do anything that hardcore.

Yeah. You know, yeah, like he, uh, Grant Morrison, or whoever can wander around in a leather jacket, someone in Ganesh and still be absolutely and also tripping off his note on drugs every day, like, like that. But yeah, still you never know the truth is you never know you don't know. I'm the type of person where if you give me a tiny bit of any psychoactive substance, I will go. I will trip my balls off. Like there are some people who can just have a tolerance for it or have an approach to it. And I don't have bad trips, but some people do. You give them a team about they have a terrible trip or you give them a ton. They don't even think they're tripping. So I think the the point of it is this is a lot of this stuff comes from our mind, right? We're projecting things outward and inwardly. And so it's our approach there. And it's noting what's going on there first that can kind of give you the tools you need to wear a leather jacket and summon Ganesh to, you know, go do your grocery shopping, remove them, get to get you a parking spot. Or you could say, hey, I'm trying to communicate, you know, with this little bug, this beetle, and now I got beetles showing up around me everywhere. What the fuck is going on? You know, you don't, it again, what I always say with the spiritual stuff is it's always a matter of direct experience. It's what you feel and what you do. Don't take anyone's word for it. I think the Buddha says that, right?

Don't take my word for it. Go out into the world, experience this stuff and then believe it. If anyone asks you to believe something or say this is this is the way it is, I just, you know, from from schooling, I am naturally rebellious against that. I don't want to believe someone something said to me just because they said it. That's not to say I won't. But I have a natural aversion to that. And that's a good and a bad thing. But yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of different occult, magic, spiritual, religious, philosophical avenues to go down in life. I am a firm believer that if you have an interest, that's it. Just an interest in finding out more, learning more, gaining wisdom, whatever it is, you'll get the right ones come at the right time. That's me. You don't look for this stuff. You're never going to find it and you're just going to be caught in a wheel.

But you don't strike me as the type who's ever going to do that. So wouldn't worry about it. And I think your approach, yeah, the thing as well is the the main sort of thinking is just because you think something it doesn't make it real. Whereas the maintenance of chaos is just because you think something it does make it real. So what am I supposed to do with that? Yeah. Like, yeah. No, I mean, it's a, listen, there's a lot of contradictory things in a dualistic universe, right? I mean, we know that. I think it's, it's just realizing what is applicable to what situation, right? Quantum mechanics says that we can teleport that things that are not connected as we believe is space time, like regular, regular physics, Newtonian physics. That doesn't mean that because I, you know, prick myself here, you're going to feel it there. That's, that's not what it means. So there's scale to all of this stuff too, which is important. And just because what you're thinking is true or some psychic incantation you're doing has weight and value to it doesn't mean it's going to interact in the same way as something we're used to experiencing in the physical world. So that's why I mean, my, my advice you always was with the magic stuff is I don't think there's inherently anything wrong with it. I think if they can be actually used quite positively, just have all of the information about what you're doing before you do it. So in case something comes up, you have, it's like a map, right? The more maps you have about a territory you're traveling to, the more comfort comfortable you're likely to be in this situation.

That is a good metaphor for life. You don't want to look, you don't want to look back one day and go, oh, shit, I summoned katoule. Like, you know, you don't, you don't want to have to find Chris, you know, dad demon. Exactly. But I'm, I'm not all, you know, you can summon a metaphorical critique movement in this, in the form of, you know, your actions then lead to this thing. Absolutely, or negative, negative emotions or anxiety. Those are very real demons in many ways. I mean, certain Tibetan philosophies refer to those things specifically as, as demons. So, yeah, I mean, I think there's a ton there. All right, I hate to do this. I have to cut us off.

I don't need, I don't need you telling me now that we've, that I've been possessed by a demon. No, you're a possessed woman. You're totally fucked. Oh, good. And the show's over. You're joking. You're joking. I'm not possessed by a demon anymore. No, of course you're not. But yeah, I mean, that is it. We've got an ally. We've done an ally. That was pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. All right, well, thank you so much for this. I am going to send you a copy of this for you to listen to and probably put some posts in later. I'll probably just fade us out talking at some point. So, we don't have to have an official start point. So, it's over. It's going to be cool. I'm hoping you're the second person I've sat down with to do this. I did my first guess was Zach Leary, Timothy Leary's son.

Yeah, that is cool. Yeah, it's going to be really cool. He's such an interesting guy. Really very much a similar theme I'm noticing just from that one to this one is like there's an interest in the spiritual stuff, but there's also this kind of like rebellious like, no, I'm still like, that's it's like I'm in the world. I still want to be a person. Yeah. And that to me is how I am. So, I like to have that kind of reflect in my guess. That's a good way to be like, yeah, that is, I think, connect because there's a certain point where you do all the reading and you read all the stuff and you go, yeah, I'm, you know, I'm chatting and I'm doing that. But you're not actually connecting with the people and you've got to really like, I think it's nice just a little bit of relaxed, normalcy. It's nice. I think it's really important. I mean, I don't, I don't have any illusions about this being like a transformative major podcast, but I think I can hit a large enough subset of people who have are dealing with this type of shit who are, are recognized the inherent value of like a Jack Cornfield meditation, but also aren't ready to go to a fucking retreat for eight days and Maui and, you know, be loved out. So yeah, I think that is the equipment that sort of, when you've had a hard week of work or whatever, it's nice to sometimes just sit down, put the TV on something stupid and just sit down and relax for a little bit. And I think that is the sort of equivalent of this. And I sort of, I think that discussion about comedy was a good one as well.

Me too, really important too, because it's, it has been something I've noticed because there's, there's something else going on in the comedy world these days. It's, there's so much more authenticity across, I mean, that's not to say everyone's doing it, but there's, there's something happening, which I don't think is fully known yet. And I'm interested to see how it plays out over the next. Yeah, however long. Yeah, it seems to be doing with what you, to do with what you're doing right now, which is cut the microphone in front of you, like the, the, the fast acceleration of, of sort of comedy because of the internet and then being able to call people out on their bullshit. Like that is, they work in tandem together. They do create a sort of harmonious, good thing. Yeah, nice one. All right, man. All right. I'll speak to you on Twitter and what not soon. I got a meeting. But yeah, man, recorded. Good to go. Good look. What's the show called, by the way? Don't know yet. Got it. I got to come up with music and a name. I'm going to get like four record and then work on it. Probably launch it in September sometime. Cool. Nice one, man.

Cool, man. All right. Amazing. I'm like, bye. Bye. So then, in music, though, one doesn't make the end of a composition. Good point. If that were so, the best conductors would be those who played fastest. And there would be composers who wrote only for knowledge. People would go to concert just to hear one crackling call because that's the end. Say, "We're dancing." You don't aim at a particular spot in the room. That's where you should arrive. The whole point of the dancing is around. Now, but we don't see that as something brought by our education into our everyday content. We thought a system of schooling that gives it a little bit of pressure. It's all graded.

And what we do is we put the child into the corridor of this grade system with a kind of "Come on, kitty kitty kitty." And the guy who wrote a kindergarten, you know, that's a great thing because when you finish that, you'll get into the first grade. And then come on, the first grade leads to the second grade and so on. And then you get out of grade school, you've got high school, and it's revving up, the thing is coming. Then you're going to go to college, and by joking, you get into graduate school. And when you're through with graduate school, you go out and join the world. And then you get into some racket where you're studying insurance.

And they've got that quoted. And you're going to make that. And all the time, the thing is coming. It's coming. It's coming. That great thing. The success you're working for. Then when you wake up one day long, 40 years old, you say, "My God, I've arrived. I'm there." And you don't feel very different than what you always felt. And there's a slight letdown because you feel as a hoax. And there was a hoax, a dreadful hoax. They made you miss everything. By expectation, look at the people who live to retire and put those savings. Then when they're 65, they don't have any energy left, they're more or less impotent.

And they go with drumming and other people's senior citizens committing. Because we simply cheated ourselves the whole way down the line. We thought of life by analogy with a journey, with a pilgrimage, which had a serious purpose at the end of the thing was to get to that end. Success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven, after your death. But we missed the point the whole way along. It was a musical thing. It was supposed to sing or dance while the music was being played. [Music] Lincoln Tech provides career training that keeps America working. At Lincoln's mile wide campus, you don't just sit in a classroom. You train in fully equipped labs, work with industry leading technology, and learn the skills that hiring managers are looking for.

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