Being A Not-Bullshit Psychic with Bernadette Dickinson | 108

[Music] De-personalize all of it and get back to a place of joy and love. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. [Music] [Music] Welcome to synchronicity. My guest this week is Bernadette Dickinson. Bernadette is a fascinating, cool, down-to-earth mystical being who you will get very acquainted with in this episode. She's great. You'll hear. And Andrea who tipped me off to her. As always with psychics and intuitives and all these things, I never know what to expect.

I never know if this is going to be some ego-driven delusion or some mixing of parapsychology phenomena with some other thing, but I got to say, Bernadette's the real deal. I know that when you have a 45-minute conversation with someone and you're not getting stonewalled and you're getting real answers to seemingly, you know, difficult questions, that's something you can trust. And I think you'll hear it in this episode, too. But I wanted to speak a little bit about numbers. Why numbers? Well, this is episode 108. And I know I said in the last episode, I wasn't going to be talking about what episode it was anymore, but I bring it up because 108 is a mystical number.

Why is it a mystical number? I don't exactly know. But if you look at mala beads, prayer beads, there's usually 108 or some divider relating to nine. Nine is a mystical number and a lot of traditions. There's a lot of theories for all of this, but rather than focusing on specifically why nine or 108 are important numbers, I'd like to look at numbers in general. So Marie-Louise von Franz, Carl Jung's translator, disciple, student, one of his best friends, isolated the theory that numbers are the primary archetypes, essentially before everything else. That's how everything emanates. And I was listening to a conversation between Duncan Trussell and Shane Moss the other day and Shane ended up in the psych ward after doing way too many psychedelics and it sounded like he entered into a similar round that I did back in 2003 and 2004 where I was basically in a land of synchronicity.

Everything was a synchronicity. Everything happened. It wasn't like my mind was putting together some other way. It seemed as though the world was opening up its true colors. And yeah, you could say it's a mental delusion. You could say this is not how reality is and I had a schism, but nevertheless, I remember experiences that I wasn't making up that were objectively verified. So number and the reason I bring that up is Shane was talking about when he was going through these experiences and particularly some DMT experiences, he would see the world as code around him. Basically characters and mathematical equations that were creating the world.

That's fascinating. We could say is that a subjective hallucination is that actually a revelation of what actually creates what we experience. Who knows? But my hunch is these numbers mean a little bit more than we like to think they do. It's not just some random where you're tuning your conscious to and that's why you see them. I think they have qualities and characteristics, much like the zodiac, much like a relationship with the moon. There are these energies that are associated with them. Am I an expert on them? No, but they exist nevertheless. I just felt like speaking about that today. I don't know why.

Let's get to Bernadette. Bernadette has had a really interesting life and you will hear some stuff in here that is difficult to hear. There are some really tough experiences she's gone through in her life but you will also hear in her voice and what's behind it, the sheer joy and optimism that can come from someone who's had very difficult experiences and come out the other side, okay, and even thriving. I think that's something important for us to hear because I know there's always transitions and difficulties in our lives. That's an unavoidable fact of life. That's just what happens. Sometimes, I think in my mid 20s and late 20s, I was like, "You know what?

Can't wait to get to that point where there's just no drama. Nothing going on. Everything is stable." I'm sure we get those moments and maybe even get a month or two of that if we're really lucky, but that's not how life works. We are constantly being presented with challenges, situations, difficulties, suffering and it's kind of up to us how we deal with those. And again, I bring all this stuff up not from the vantage point of someone who has achieved perfect success and deals with stressful situations perfectly. If anything is the opposite, I'm not doing that great. But it's important that we try to remind ourselves that when we're going through these difficult situations that it's not permanent.

Even if it seems like the worst thing in the world, death might not even be permanent. If you believe in reincarnation, that even that state is a transient one in this world. So I bring it up because there's a lot of stuff that people are going through now. I know my friends, my family, the world. It's a transitional period of time. And speaking of transitions related to this podcast, I am becoming Mr. Mom starting Monday. I am going to be Eli's primary caretaker. Alexis got an awesome job. Super happy for her. So I will be doing this podcast, doing my regular job and taking care of a child three, four days a week exclusively.

So that's going to be an interesting transition. I'm trying to figure out how I manage my time and energy in an effective way that I can still do good stuff. Might have to drop some things. Don't worry. This podcast won't be one of them. But it's a transitional period for a lot of people, myself included. So it's always helpful to hear someone who can remind us that we don't have to approach our lives from such a heavy place. And yes, it doesn't know if it doesn't mean we don't experience heavy shit. It's just that we do ultimately have that choice. And like, if you're like me, that doesn't mean when you're going through your shitty thing that you're going to be super, you know, carry all this equanimity and be so great.

But you know, progress, baby steps, baby steps, that's what we're looking for. So that's it. That's what I'm going to say about this episode. Bernadette, really a true joy to speak to. If you're interested in her, there will be links on this episode page to her website, bernadettedickenson.com. I will also have links available on the, I don't know what a podcast is, on the podcast page. So if you're in your iTunes app or Stitcher or anywhere else you consume a podcast, you will be able to click on those links. I think you might be interested in setting something up with Bernadette because I know I was after this.

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And then we can kind of get into the more, you know, woo, nitty gritty. I hate woo. I do too. Just to be clear, it's a terrible word, but we'll get into words and why they're stigmatized too. I'm glad you said that. And I'll tell you, from the standpoint of like having gifts, you know, being born with gifts, from the practical standpoint of how I use it in my daily life, most of the time I use it for other people and to help them, I can see beyond, you know, what can be seen. For myself, it just makes it easier for me to connect, but it wasn't always that way. Do you know what I mean? Because I was very empathic as well before I really tuned it into being clear sentient, I was really sensitive to energies without knowing why, like a lot of people.

And I ran from my gifts because they weren't acceptable, I was born in 1966 and, you know, through a good part of my upbringing and young adult years, it wasn't acceptable like it is now. Yeah. Tell me about it. Even when I was born in '83, and people weren't talking about this in the 90s or even early 2000s, it's a crazy shift in terms of the acceptance of it. But yeah, I mean, what was it, so you tuned it out growing up pretty much or you just kind of... No. Yeah. I didn't tune it out. I kept it to myself and kept a secret because I was raised in a Catholic household turned born again Christian.

It was looked upon as something evil and of the devil and I didn't find out till I was in my 30s that my grandmother, my dad's mom was a psychic and healer in Hawaii. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. And maybe helpful to someone who's going through some of those things growing up, that's crazy. So I mean, what were... Can you just... I had one other person on this show who was psychic and had gifts and she also was very practical about it and, you know, was averse to the kind of term woo or some of these magical things that we can associate with this. But what were some of like your earliest experience, either with, you know, clairsentience, awkward, any psychically-eated skill?

So I was really blessed because I could see angels and I could see guides and although I thought they were very real, like everybody could see them at a very young age, I realized that just wasn't the case. And at five years old when a Catholic priest came to exercise me, that was a fun one. I realized because, you know, my guides and angels were actually doing this shush thing, like don't, you know, pretend like you don't see us kind of a deal. That's when I realized, oh, like there's something wrong with this. And then along with that came, you know, kind of shaming, guilt and confusion. But before that and even after that, you know, as a very...

I had my own private world and it made me pretty shy. But that was, it was a more comforting place to be than, let's say, real life, their dimensional life, like, was a very tough place to be because there was a lot of challenges within my family. And so that part of my life was just, it was just fun. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to me, you know, my sister grew up with some of these things. And even for me who, you know, I was relatively accepting of these things, it's a really... You can see the difficulty that can kind of be brought on by this as especially a young person having some of these experiences and trying to have to, like, not only figure out how to navigate this world, but also things that other people aren't experiencing.

I mean, how did that continue to kind of manifest when, you know, I guess, you know, when most people grow up, especially given when you were born, like, you know, it doesn't get easier. It's not like people are more accepting of these type of things. What do you say to people, like, I'm even to this day, I'm sure people are like, "Oh, well, this is all a bunch of phooey, like, I don't believe in that." Like, I always like to ask people who possess some of these gifts, like, what is your... What is your tent, your approach towards people like that? That are thinking that it's not real. Yeah. That it's just like a...

So, here's a little secret that, you know, some people know, my students and clients know, most of them, not everybody knows. I'm very skeptical with psychics. Right. Right. Right. Totally. You know, I get it. I totally get, like, that there is a certain level of uncertainty and fear of the unknown, and there's a big stigma when it comes to being able to see things that the normal I can't see or hear things that are out at the normal range of hearing. But reality is science is catching up. So you don't have to believe that I'm psychic or that I have these gifts or that I can sort of prophetically get dreams that are going to tell me what's about to occur.

You don't have to believe that. But if you are more scientific in your approach, go study what they've been proving. Right. I know. And that to me is always the funny thing is, I mean, and it really does kind of underscore that people are going to believe what they want to believe until they're ready to believe something different, no matter what, because there's, you know, just... And people can rule it off it as anecdotal, but I know just from my personal experiences and the more people, more and more people I meet who validate, you know, what people would call paranormal or psychic phenomenon, like they seem pretty commonplace.

And it seems like almost everyone experiences them. And it does certainly seems like some people can get more in tune with those things. You described a certain point in the beginning there where you kind of embraced what was happening. Can you describe what that transition was like for you from kind of having to hide it towards bringing it outwardly into the world? My life fell apart. So yeah, it goes, isn't it? Yeah, for real, I mean, you know, I had basically, even though I had kind of tried to run from my gifts and what I knew I was supposed to be using them to do and what my life was supposed to look like, I really just wanted the California lifestyle.

You know, I just really wanted to be sort of jet set and live like everyone else in my whole life. I just wanted to be normal. That was the big thing. Can I just feel normal, be normal, act normal, see things normally thinking that that was the solution to all of my problems. And I had some huge traumas occur and big events occur. The one that really made me step in was the molestation of my daughter when she was three years old. Wow. My life hit like completely bottomed out and I went and then I was angry and I was like, okay, God, why, like, are you punishing, you know, what everybody goes, are you punishing me?

Right. Right. Right. What have I done? And then I had other people telling me, you know, you should have seen this coming. Why do you marry the guy as if you're supposed to know these things, right? So when all that happened and I got over my complete, like, anger at the universe of why these things had happened and why I mean something I had never imagined was even possible wasn't even remotely in my fear sector. Right. I got down and dirty after going to counseling, going to different churches, trying to get answers. Nobody could answer anything. And I went, all right, I'm going to put you to the test, all of you, my angels, my guides, God, if you're real, but I'm going to put you to the test, give me answers, explain to me how to turn this around for myself, for my daughter, and explain to me why these things happen.

And then all of a sudden books that I, I don't know if they were even real at this point because I have yet to be able to find them appeared on my path. I had dreams. I had ongoing visions. And then suddenly I could understand things like the Bible, which was pretty cryptic to me for most of my life. I started to study things like Kabbalah and I had already studied like all of the religions because I was always looking like one of these things has to be true, right? None of them, none of them could answer. So Spirit took me on a journey of discovering the truths and all of it. And then teaching me how to create my life, how to overcome circumstances and how to get out of that place of just utter devastation with anxiety, depression and all of that.

And then I did step in and accept my gifts and decided at that point, I don't ever want someone else to feel the way I feel. Fine, I'll use my gifts for good. Yeah, if you have to, if you're forced into it, of course, I totally, what, what, I mean, it's amazing because I've heard so many stories, you know, whether it's about psychic abilities or creativity or art or professional success. It seems a lot of these mythologies have to do with kind of hitting this absolute bottom destructive breaking point, kind of from like the Campbellian hero's journey type of thing. Like you have to hit that bottom to be resurrected with some newfound perspective or power.

It's crazy that it was such a such a intense one for you. I mean, something like you said, like that doesn't even enter people's sphere of consciousness, typically. So it really was it just caught you in blindsided you. So after this happened and you kind of forced to do soul searching, something you said really interested me, you recognize kind of the unity or similarity and the messages that you were seeing and researching things. That's something that I myself and a lot of other people I know have also come to recognize. Can you talk about like what that kind of illustrated for you or showed you at that point?

So one of the first things that I learned, and this was back in the 90s, you know, before the internet, you actually had to, you know, get your hands on like real books that, you know, they're tangible and you can hold them. So I hit a place that spirit described to me back then as zero point, you know, there's a lot of stuff teachings that go up that are going on about what zero point is. But on a personal level, for me, I had to hit that proverbial zero point where everything I ever believed was up for grabs, right? Like, okay, there is a God. There isn't a God. There is a devil. There isn't a devil.

There is, you know, like you've been there. I've been there. I just so you know, I mean, I don't know how many people listening are going to get this. I've been thinking about that particular thought, what you're describing right now, this zero point where there is such, it's terrifying just to be clear in your own mind because you are literally on the, I literally have been having this out over the past three days. I've been bouncing it around remembering some experiences I've went through. I know exactly what you're talking about, but please not to cut you off continue because I know I just wanted to say I get it.

I understand. Yeah. Well, and it's an interesting place to be because you have two choices when you hit zero point. You know, you go crazy or you kill yourself, you know, that's that one choice or you really just embrace it and enter into that place of the void and allow yourself to be free floating in a place where you only take on what resonates for you and what feels true versus what you've been programmed to believe. So that was the biggest platform and jumping off point that and it took work. I mean, it took really a lot of inner work. I had to face all of my shadows. I had to look back at my life and all of the decisions I had made up until that point.

And the only catalyst that really I think could have potentially even gotten my attention was something happening to my kid because for me, you know, I'm a satch like a double satch with a Pisces moon and an Ares rising. So for me, if anything happened to me, it was no big deal. I was made a joke that I'm Tigger the Tiger. You know, I'm just going to bounce, right. And I would unconsciously bounce to whatever, whether it was alcohol or drugs or another relationship, a new career, you know, whatever. But when it was my kid, it was like, Oh, wait, you can't bounce without creating something completely new.

So I embraced that zero point from that place. I did begin to literally unpack every single one of my understandings, my beliefs and what I replaced it with made so much more sense. So what did you replace it with? It's still growing. Of course. And I asked that knowing that it's a process. And I mean, we can get into the whole how time and linear time fits into this. But I mean, what is your, your current understanding or kind of, I don't want to say belief system, but kind of like knowingness of what's transpiring for you personally and collectively, I guess for people you help and at large. So that the one thing that came out of all of that that I hold true to to this day is we live in this incomprehensible, infinite field of possibilities at any given time.

We can enter into that place and really like enjoy it. Or we can resist it out of fear and need for complete structure. Right. Right. Yeah. So it's the life from that field of infinite possibilities from a conscious place, an intentional place now. And in that place, oh my God, life is so much fun. Even when it's not right is it's a weird thing that I've recently experienced clearly not to the degree that probably you have with some of your experiences, but it's true like even when things are going horribly wrong and like I don't even mean like you're smiling through it. There's some aspect of yourself that knows that it's like not, it's still kind of not a game in a way that it's trivial or unimportant, but it's not to be taken as seriously and restrictively as we may be considering it.

I mean, it's hard in the moment obviously to be doing this, but when you can really take that broader perspective, I know what you mean. I don't think it's as hard as we make it. And that's the one thing that I like to help people with and teach people, you know, there's this one thing within I call it meta-fizzlers, right? The metaphysical community, but I call it fizzlers for a reason. My guides have a great sense of humor in the way they've taught me, but a lot of things meta-fizzler fizzles out because it's just a fad. It's just a trend. And there's a lot of those things that are out there, but there's some pretty easy simplified ways to carry on with your life and build a strong foundation that's practical because I'm not into all of the woo-woo stuff.

I'm not into all of the BS. It needs to be simple. It needs to be practical. It needs to be easy to apply to third dimensional reality. We're focused on fifth dimensional, alien, all these other things. You're not here now. I'm so happy to hear you say this because this is, I mean, if there is kind of an underlying theme of this show, it's that, listen, I love what we're pejoratively calling woo-woo stuff as much as the next person, especially if I think they're substance to it even behind kind of the fanciness. But more importantly, I recognize that I have to navigate this reality pretty much all of the time.

Unless I'm sleeping it in dreamland or there's some other psychedelic experience somehow involved. I'm pretty much here so to kind of do the whole spiritual bypass thing and not recognize what we're supposed to be doing here or what we're here for, I think, is a huge mistake. I'm so happy to hear you say that. So what are some of those simple things or things we can be doing to kind of open up ourselves to this infinite possibility, limitless possibilities? So most people don't want to hear this, but this is the truth. Don't personalize things. It's not about you. It's just not about you and you alone.

Yes, it's about you in connection to everybody and everything in this entire universe. But it's not personal. And when you get the way someone's acting, the way things have stacked up, the way that things are not happening or not about you, it's not a personal thing. It's not a personal attack. It's not there to beat you down or build your ego up. When you get that it's not personal, then you get the joy that is meant to be in your life. And then the other thing is do your inner work so that you can silence the ego. One of the things that I teach in my classes, in my charm life class specifically, because I have a lot of people that are interested in studying spirituality and they're a little afraid of the Bible and they're afraid of all these, you know, different ancient sort of spiritual texts and they don't understand the devil, the angels.

So there's one simplified teaching that I give to everyone that kind of turns a light bulb on for them so that they're not so afraid because there is some really good nuggets in the Bible. Of course. If you can understand the parables, there's some really great nuggets and one of the things with the Bible, if you really want to get it, replace every time that Satan has mentioned in the Bible with the word ego and you will completely understand what God was trying to tell you. That's a good way to go out to the desert and fight with some horned creature. Jesus went and wandered the desert for 40 days and 40 nights with his own ego.

Sounds kind of like the Buddha under the tree. I mean, there is the mythology that I and I'm totally, I totally am with it. And I think the mystical undertones of almost all the religious texts, at least that I've studied, you know, either in depth or in passing, you know, there's validity in all of them. And I like, I like that you're you're using the Bible as a reference to I've had a lot of conversations about Jesus recently and it's someone who grew up Jewish and 100% and believes in the teachings of Christ, you know, it's an interesting place to be. But you said something about this personal, not taking things personally.

And this is something that I think various modalities kind of get us to this awareness of that. You know, some people use meditations, some people use plant medicines or psychedelics. Some people even just use their creative practice, whatever it may be. But it does seem, and I can testify to this fact that when I can generally be while I can generally be aware of that, there are those kind of like heavy, carmically laden situations, whether it's our personal relationships or something else, or maybe it's a political thing for some people, there do seem to be those sticky things where it's hard to remember to not take things personally.

And I recognize that's our good friend, egos function. But what are some ways that you in your life are able to kind of deal with those situations where things do get sticky, where you do personalize them and you find yourself being like, ah, but how do you do you know what I mean? Yeah, so I've been a practitioner of EFT, emotional freedom technique and tapping. Since about 2000 and I want to say one to something like that, when it was just in its inception, beginning, and it's a great way, you know, tapping on the acupuncture meridian points and bringing up these things that are so emotionally charged and pulling the emotion out of it so that you can actually get back to rational thinking, right, or even access your intuition is a great way to depersonalize it.

I do a lot of journaling too, that's to be able to put your thoughts down on paper, all of these things that you're so incredibly tied to, you know, that it means this and it means that to be able to go back and look at it and really either prove it or disprove it. It's amazing once you write it down. How easy it is to disprove so much of these things that you personalize, that you make real. Well, it gives you that external reference point. It's like if you said all of the thoughts that you had out loud, well, we would all think we're insane instead of just, you know, kind of thinking it, we'd know we're insane.

For sure. That's, yeah. So can you explain the tapping thing a little bit? I mean, I only know in passing and I really honestly don't know too much about it. Can you explain kind of the idea behind it? I've actually never heard it mentioned in relation to the meridian points and just to say my only experience, yeah, I've never heard that my only experience with acupuncture was very interesting. I went because I was having a neck pain that wouldn't go away, like shooting pains down my arms and my wrist and it just was recurrent. And I went to a doctor and he's like, oh, yeah, you have a herniated disc gave me some steroids and Valium took that for a couple of weeks still was there.

One of my friends suggested I go down to Chinatown and in the city and see this, you know, guy who didn't speak any English and get acupuncture and I went and I'd never gone before. And he put a couple of needles in my wrist, think one of my arm and like my back. And within 10 seconds, my entire body started vibrating to the point where like it just felt like, you know, when your leg falls asleep, but like that, all the way through my body. And I told him, I'm like, Hey, like, I don't think this is the way it's supposed to be working. I don't know. It's good. And then like five minutes pass and I was like about to pass out and he took him out and immediately stopped.

So I know and clearly know the subtle energies and the Meridian system is something valid because I've experienced it. I don't know shit about it outside of that, but I know it's valid. So I'm really interested to hear the kind of connection between that and tapping. Right. So the acupuncture Meridian points are just the major energy centers in the body. There's a point on our head, like right around the part line, right? That's called the place of a thousand meetings where a thousand nerve endings collide and converge. And when you tap around that and the rest of your, you know, we tap around our face and our chest onto the lymph lymphatic point, which is the setup place for tapping. When you do that, the lymphatics are a point of emotional congestion. That's where we store emotional congestion and emotional toxins in the body as well as physical toxins.

So as you're focusing on the thing that you're either upset about or anxious about or, you know, past trauma, whatnot, and you're hitting those points, it's releasing all of the emotional energy behind it. It's, it sounds a lot easier than I'm, how do I, how do I put this? It's easy to do if you're with someone that knows how to set it up. I'm lucky because I just get out of the way and let spirit take over. So whenever I tap with somebody, it's, I don't have to have a long conversation with them to find out what's exactly going on. Spirit just jumps in and goes, okay, and then I tend to say exactly what that person's thinking.

So it works really fast when I do it with somebody. And when I do it for myself, I'll tell you the reality is I have to write it down. Like what I'm focused on because we are egoed even during something like that. We'll get in the way and make us forget what we're supposed to be clearing because that thing that we're clearing is it's hook. Yes, exactly. I love that you're bringing that up too. I just got to say, like, everything you're saying is fucking amazing. Like truthfully, like it really is like so on point with all of this and talking about when you're doing these things for yourself because, you know, I've noticed this a lot with myself, not necessarily with giving spiritual advice, but maybe even just listening and being in air for people. But professionally, I'm really good at helping other people, you know, with certain things. But when I turn that same directional thing onto my own, it's like, Oh, my God, I'm having so much trouble. And what it is, it's the hook.

It's the ego hook. It's there's expectations. There's things, you know, that could go wrong anxieties, fears, insecurity. So I like that you're bringing up that while these things maybe can be done because we can have those other people be our mirrors and reference points and allows us to do it for other people, it can be particularly more challenging when we're doing it for ourselves. Because it's the hook, as you put it, that's, that's really just well, and we have an, you know, the ego likes to throw this blindfold, a conscious blindfold on us to where, you know, we can't really see what the real issue is because we can't really see our own behaviors, our own belief systems that are very, very linked to the ego that keep us very blocked or trapped. You know, you can ask your friends and they'll say, Oh, yeah, you know, you have this problem and they'll go on and tell you. But when you're sitting there by yourself, you're like, No, I don't have that problem. And you know, and you hold on to it. And literally, it becomes this part of your armor. And that armor that may be protecting your ego is also keeping you from your true nature, from your heart space. You're, you're again, plucking things right out of my consciousness because my big thing that I've been eating. When that happens. Oh, yeah, I know, you know, I guess I, you know, I've been reading, revisiting Chogem Trungpa's book, Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism and his entire metaphor related to spiritual materialism is essentially that we put on all of these armors and adornments and clothing to essentially make us feel good about what we're doing rather than getting to the naked reality of the situation, which can be uncomfortable. And he likens it to, you know, taking off your clothes in a public place. Like that's not a comfortable thing to do. But yet when you do that, you see the naked reality for what it is, and that there's actually a tremendous amount of freedom to actually start acting wisely and compassionately from that space. And it sounds very similar to what you're talking about, you know, in relation to the ego and ourselves. It's, it's fascinating that so much of what, you know, people gravitate towards to relating to spirituality, we want it to be some light filled, love filled, always positive thing. But like you even acknowledge in your, your bio there is, we have to face these shadow materials. And if we don't actually do that, then they consume us because they're below the threshold of our consciousness.

So I mean, how, let me ask you this, because you say you're still going through it. How do you reconcile, I guess, on a daily existence level, having one foot, it seems like in the practical 3D reality, but clearly having another foot in some, you know, non-temporal spirit based reality, what does that actually look like for you? And I know that's kind of like a ridiculous question in some ways. But what does it actually feel like, or experientially, what does that like for you? You know, it's not as, it's not as out there as people may think, right? You know, the reality, and probably because I'm not into a lot of the distractions that go on in spiritual tourism, what I call spiritual tourism. A lot of people get lost in that, you know, it's like spirituality is supposedly like a vacation place. It's not part of your real life. If it doesn't have a practical application, I don't have the energy time or space for it. I mean, seriously, because here's reality. You are spirit first, and then you are human. And here in this third dimensional reality, and eventually you'll return to spirit. But right now, your point of consciousness is third dimensional reality. So any of this, your understandings and playing with spirit and guides and angels in different dimensions, it still needs to be practically applied to third dimension, or it's just like drugs and alcohol or sex. It's a distraction from living your real life. So the way I use it in my daily life, fortunately, or unfortunate for me, it is my place of accountability. It is truly like, if I start going off my path or I'm not being authentic, or honest, you know, I instantaneously feel it. I instantaneously get dreams that are like, Hey, hey, you know, yeah. So for me, it's a great place of accountability.

I've had some relationships with some narcissists in my past. And you don't answer to anybody. I'm like, you think that's true. No, I answer to the highest power in the universe. And believe me, it's not a lot of fun. Because with my gifts, and like, with helping other people and people in trusting me with their lives to help them see beyond what they can see and give them advice about, you know, how to shift and change and transform their lives. That's a huge responsibility. Yeah. And spiritual has told me, like the Bible says, be above reproach, be above it. You cannot have these places where, and this is one of my biggest bitches with a lot of the roo stuff that's out there. Yeah, I don't know if Andrea told you, I'm pretty like, no, I love it. I love it. There's a lot of people that have just sort of dipped their toes in and they dabbled with the fun pillow fluffing stuff and, and that, you know, speaking with angels and speaking with metatron, all this crap, right? Yeah, how do you apply it? You don't. It just makes you feel okay for a moment. But there has to be, there has to be somewhere where the information that you're sort of taking in, and it is on all levels, right? Body, mind, and spirit, whatever you're reading, whatever you're studying, whoever you're going to visit, these things are absorbing into you. Yes.

And they will make you or break you. Yes. You have to be above reproach. I can't have that place where I'm not congruent from my home life to my work life to my public life to my social life. I have to keep it straight, which is why I'm very transparent. Like I have a lot of people say, share so many things on live streams about your life. And it's like, why not? It's not a secret. You get it. You get it. This is, this is a very interesting area to explore because the word authenticity is used a lot in the spiritual realm, like so much that now that word is actually stigmatized for me. And there's a homework of people who I really think are genuinely authentic. And that's people who are sharing things about themselves, not to be perceived as authentic, but because that's their base level state, where, you know, I am the same way. And I'm sure this is why the conversation is flowing like this. We're not thinking of what we want to say. And then saying it, we're tapping in and just responding as this is the spontaneous, you know, way this is going to come out. And there should be some benefit from that. So I know exactly what you're talking about.

It's weird to me. It's not weird to me. It can be disturbing to me how much stuff seeps in that is inauthentic and does have questionable motives. And I see it all the time. And it really, it is a very interesting place to be in. But what I always say is something similar to you, which is people will ask all the time, I'm, you know, I'm a big Jungian. I really love Carl Jung. And I love his idea of the collective unconscious. And people will be like, well, you know, I don't know if I really believe in that blah, blah, blah. I was like, just to if you if you poke into these areas, whether you believe it or not, you will get a response. So those spiritual tourists, as you say it, or the dabblers, even if you're just putting your foot in and you think it's just going to be love and light, like just be prepared that something may grab your foot and you may get dragged down for a little bit.

And that's the reality of the situation that we're in. So I just really, again, I love that you're bringing this up because, you know, early on, I look at it like sometimes like music. When I first, I really love electronic music. When I first started listening to electronic music, I was listening to really cheesy, you know, essentially bottom of the barrel corn ball music. Over time, though, I realized what I enjoyed, what was like, what were artists, which when I had integrity, which style I liked. And now I can kind of see, and it's not that I don't, you know, everyone who listens to the music, we all need entry points. We all need places to get introduced to this stuff. But if you are seriously trying to do the inner work, as you put it on yourself, like, it is good to really plunge in and check in with yourself. And it is kind of a bitch. Like, I'm the same way, like, when I want to do a fucked up thing, or I do a fucked up thing, I look at someone like Donald Trump, and I'm like, man, this guy does have a superpower. He is unaffected by doing fucked up things.

I'm not envious of it because I realized how horrible of a thing that is. But like, it is, it's a bitch. You really are held to kind of this beyond reproach standard. And that's not tooting our own horns. It's kind of a difficult thing to have to adhere to in a lot of ways. But I do, again, want to echo that I know exactly what you're talking about. It's interesting you bring him up because I have a lot of people since prior to the election that have contacted me as a psychic to what's your take? Yeah. Yeah. You know, and here's the thing. I mean, because he is sort of the outward manifestation of what's been happening for people closer to home on a personal level, right? Like narcissism wasn't a thing, a label or a description until, you know, the last several years, like maybe five or ten years.

He really has exploded over the course of the last couple of years, but so has the word empath. So people have asked me, you know, why to empath? So as a track narcissist and we have this narcissist as a president. And the reality is it is just that reflection of the duality, the contrast, the separation. So you can either feel things greatly and have compassion and a heart and be able to tune into everybody else or you absolutely don't. And that's the other side of it. And opposites do in fact attract. Look at magnets. They do attract. So what he's showing the world right now is what is missing where we've gone off track. He's showing the opposite end of the spectrum and helping people get very clear on I don't want to be that or I don't want to have that. It's not meant to shake us up. And he's, you know, a great example of what needs to be cleaned up. Yeah, I mean, to the extreme, to the extreme. And I couldn't agree more. I mean, I've used the analogy like he's kind of like a vaccine, you know, this is some really nasty stuff and you need it in your body for a little bit so your body can learn to fight it. I think one of the weird dynamics we have here is that people see such hostility, anger, rage, you know, outwardly express. And rather than seeing the reflection of themselves or the collective, they react and they don't respond. And they kind of, you know, an eye for an eye type deal starts to happen. So I think this is a tremendous opportunity. And I look at it kind of the same way, you know, as a personal tragedy, you know, a death or like you're what happened with your daughter, like these are moments that are certainly not comfortable. They're certainly not fun. They're certainly not objectively good in a practical standpoint.

But yet they're so right with opportunity for actually realizing learning something, you know, shaping yourself or the reality that you believe we can have that opportunity is so rich there that it really is like a powerful thing. And I think if we can maintain that space and that kind of perspective on what's going on, it really, it can be looked at as again, an opportunity. So yeah, I know. I mean, I remember it was already there though, right? Like, yeah, it wouldn't have been able to physically manifest in such a large way on the world scene. If it wasn't already personally happening, I know, but I wonder how many people truly I think it's so easy to look out at the world and really like you and I know that things are interconnected. You know, a lot of people listening, everyone listening knows that they're we're all interconnected in very real and tangible ways and subtle ways as well. But someone I think, I mean, I know people at times, it's not Donald Trump, there's Jeff Sessions sometimes get under my skin for the weed stuff. But like, you know, there are times where it's just like, yeah, fuck that guy. I personally say I don't, I'm not typically like that with Trump or anyone else because I just don't have the energy for it. Like I have my own problems to deal with. So I can't go and take on theirs, but it is very clear to see that people react in such a visceral way to this rather than saying, Oh yeah, like I'm kind of like that too. Like I see Trump do stuff where I'm like, Oh, I've done that. Like I've kind of been that behavior, not the specific thing he's doing, but that behavior exists in me as well. And I don't know how many people actually are reflecting on that, you know, I think it's obvious, like you said, but I don't know how many people are actually like seeing that in front of their faces, you know, no, they're meeting it. They're meeting that energy with the same kind of energy, which is exactly the opposite. But here's the reality. If you look at what has occurred on this planet for centuries, we have as a society, humans have narcissistically eaten up a bunch of the resources and caused other life forms to go extinct because of our selfishness. So now we have this, this thing playing out, whether it's a Kim Jong Un or Putin or Trump or, you know, on the world stage in the news and, you know, celebrity style, we have them showing up and people are like, Oh, how is this happening? Okay, take it back a notch. And remember, like, what choices do you make that add to all of this sort of consumerism, selfishness, materialism that doesn't take into account, we are not the only life form on this planet. Right. It has to happen to get our attentions and it has to make us uncomfortable so that we desire a solution to get back into comfort. We don't grow when things are good, grow when things are shitty. I know it's that's that's a plain reality that I think most of us don't want to acknowledge most of the time because we strive for comfort, right? We strive for security.

Even though, you know, if you go deep enough, you realize those are quite illusory in this reality. They are not your surface. You're not going to be able. Yeah, they're not lasting. That's for sure. Oh, man, it's I love that you brought it back again. I probably said, I love every single thing you said. And I mean it just so you know, well, it's truthfully you brought it back to this this point of personal responsibility and that the actions that we take like this is this is my common thing. I've said a million times on this show, which is there's something wrong with the world and you want to see a change and you feel there's some injustice by no means don't take action, but recognize the most important thing you can do is work on yourself and your own life, not as something that prevents you from taking action. But at least when you then go and take the action, you're not going to be bringing all this other shit with you, which could make the situation worse. And I mean, I think that's you know, that's a general rule. I try to apply as much as possible the varying degrees of success. But I mean, that really it's just it really always does start with you as a person. It's fucking awesome. And always well. I mean, I matter how far into the five dimensional world. Oh, it's got a 12 we'll go to 12 dimensions. My good friends made of blatant sound. So I you know, here's what I'd like to do. I want to ask you my ending questions. This 45 minutes flew by. I would also like I don't always say this on air, but I would love to find another time to go a little bit deeper with you on some of this stuff. Just because I'm incredibly impressed with your groundedness when dealing with some pretty lofty concepts. And it's something that like I personally appreciate so much, and I know my listeners do as well. So if it's okay with you, I'll ask you these questions and maybe we could find another time to do it to make up for the time I canceled.

Okay, great. Awesome. Awesome. Okay, questions, three quick ones, then one, however long one. First question, what's your favorite color? White. What's your favorite number? Eight. What's your favorite animal? Eagles. Cool. And last question. Is that an animal? That's an animal. That's an animal animals. Yeah. What is a practical tip that has helped you in your life that you could share with people listening? You know, I think it is that depersonalize it. Decersonalize all of it and get back to a place of joy and love. I love it. Bernadette, do me a favor. Tell me where people can find out more about with you, book something with you. Where do they go? And I'll put this all in other stuff, but I want you to have an opportunity as well. You can go to my website, Bernadette Dickinson.com, or you can find me on Facebook. B-vision, like B-V-I-S-I-O-N. One, the number one. Awesome. Thank you so much for doing this. And we'll set something up in the not too distant future, because I really, one of my favorite conversations, seriously. Awesome. It was a great talking to you. Thanks, Noah. Awesome. Thank you.

[Music] [Music] Thanks for listening to that episode. Bernadette, go check her out. Bernadette Dickinson.com, once again, links in the episode page on syncpodcast.com, minepodnetwork.com, on the actual podcast. Go check her out, seriously. She's great if you couldn't tell. Massive thanks to everyone on Patreon, Patrick Nemchik, producer level credit, gets a show out every week by contributing on Patreon. iTunes reviews, all the reviews, seriously, they help. The truth is, is I'm trying to figure out how to weave in everything I want to do into some cohesive kind of, what's the word I'm looking for, unit. Some cohesive actions that I'm taking together related to the podcast, my music, my day job, taking care of my son, and bear with me over the next month, while I kind of adjust to what's going on. I don't think you're going to notice anything on the podcast. There's not going to be like, "Oh my God, it's got horrible all of a sudden, but I want you to know I'm going to be going through some transitional periods. It is a priority to get this out every week for me, so I have made sure that I have set aside the time to do that. I really appreciate it. Listen, here's the deal. I've been thinking about doing more episodes on a weekly basis, so maybe two, possibly three. I have to put that on the back burner now just because I don't think that's a realistic thing to do with all of my other responsibilities. However, and this is, please do not interpret this as a plea, give me money. However, if the podcast continues to go in a positive direction and it becomes financially sustainable outside of other things, I do plan to increase this. I also have a couple of other plans just so you guys know who are listening at the end of the episode, "Pass the Music," which means you really give a shit, hopefully, or you fell asleep. Wake up. I really do want to do some other podcasts, too. I want to have some thematic ones where we can maybe not just talk about kind of navigating the world and all that entails, but you know, just regular shit, too. Pop culture stuff, movies I like, all of these other things, and I'm figuring out and talking to some people on how we can actually do that. So, just stay tuned. We're going to ride this wave for sure. So, thank you again to everyone. You guys are the fucking best. I will see you next week.