Theta Healing with Jessie Lavery

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Welcome to Synchronicity. Have a really fun and cool episode. I think you're gonna like a lot this week with my friend, Jesse. I just did a theta ceiling now. Theta healing session with her a couple of weeks ago on a recommendation of a previous guest, Nicole B.Z., who is really just a wonderful person. She connected me, I was feeling stuck. Also, there's a quote in here from Jesse that I think is really helpful. And if you're someone who does readings or is an energy worker or just someone who facilitates healing, it's every healer needs a healer. I really love that because it's true. I speak about this in this episode and I've spoken about it before, but I'm wary of people who present themselves of having it all figured out.

It's one of the reasons that I am incredibly transparent on this podcast when I'm going through stuff, when things don't feel like they're working and strategies and things we can do to kind of help shift us out of that. And there's a ton of different modalities that I've explored throughout my life. I use a lot of those from the imaginal techniques to astrology, to tarot, just general energy work, all that stuff, medium ship when the mood is there. But theta healing was something I experienced, I wanna say a few years ago, it was in Turkey and me and Denise downloaded an audio book. And it was really interesting.

It was kind of like really put me in this interesting meditative space. And it's a whole system. It's a whole technique. We get into the nuts and bolts of it and who it's for and what it can be used for in this episode. But go and connect with Jessie. She drops her Instagram here and you can send her a message. She primarily does this word of mouth, but you never know. This is something you're interested in. I'm sure she can accommodate interested parties. So yeah, it's cool. I think you're gonna enjoy it. It's a modality that seems to also fit in with a lot of other ones where they're not kind of competing or contrasting or getting you to believe different things in order to get the benefits from it, which is what we like around these parts.

Big thanks everyone who showed up for the TikTok webinar. We had 25 people sign up for that, which surprise me. I didn't know there were that many people out there looking for help with TikTok and monetization possibilities. I just continue to explore TikTok. It's a very interesting platform. I do think there's a unique opportunity to get involved if that's something you're interested in. There's a lot of kind of shady shit going on with TikTok too. So just be aware of that. But if it's something that piques your interest, I think we have like a limited opportunity to kind of get some of the attention that TikTok is offering for people to come over and use the platform.

I am doing personal consulting sessions for that for probably another month. I don't know that I'm gonna be offering it much past then just because once my limit of my knowledge is there and I feel like I've learned everything that I can pass on, that's what I will share. And if people wanna take it and pick up the lantern or mantle from there, be my guest. I just think that there's some things that can save you some time where you don't have to go through this whole entire learning process on your own, just finding out what's bullshit, what's not, what's realistic. And to be very clear and I pointed this out in the session, which is recorded and I may make that an offering for people to purchase if they wanna kind of watch that, if they didn't get to tune in live.

Just take some short, you don't have to spend an entire month like I did, learning the ins and outs of it and what works and what doesn't. You can save yourself some time to see if it's even something you are interested in. Have some other cool exciting stuff that is coming up. The 28 day journal is released as a printed home. You can get that on the link in my stand store, which is in the show notes. And patrons get it for free. Anyone on the $7 tier and above gets the journal for free. We had a bunch of people download it, had some feedback on how to improve it. Pretty proud of it, it's pretty cool.

I've been going through it this month and I gotta say, it's pretty fun stuff. So if you're interested in that, you can either purchase it or join the Patreon, which is rocking, having a good time there. Bonus episode every Tuesday. Yeah, it's a good time, it's a good community. We also have the mastermind sessions going on every Sunday at 11 a.m. Eastern, where we are currently going through Napoleon Hill's Thinking Grow Rich and just kind of sharing our experiences. A lot of people are in this very odd transitional period where they're trying to figure out what to do with their lives. And that can feel very isolating.

And like you're the only one going through it, but I can promise you, you are not. I have the luxury of speaking to a lot of people on a regular basis. And this is just something that's in the air. We're all trying to kind of figure out what we're doing here. How are we going to have a career or be fulfilled or be in meaningful relationships or feel like we're making good use of our time on this planet, right? That's just something that's going on. So if you're one of those people, just rest assured that a lot of other people are going through it and one of the ways we're dealing with that in the server and on the Patreon is just talking with each other and letting each other know that we're not alone on this process and you never know what connections can come from that.

So if that is something you're into, you know, we got that going on. And then the other thing, which I'm only going to mention this once and then I will mention again what it is available. I am developing kind of like personal magic sessions for people who are interested in working with me on a one-to-one basis over a period of time, right? These would be either monthly or weekly check-ins where we kind of talk about and, you know, go through the imaginal techniques, other modalities astrology and tarot, kind of just to get you through any roadblocks or any ruts you may be in creatively, romantically, health-wise.

I still get emails to this day. I just got one right before I recorded this podcast where someone emailed me four years ago and was like, hey, can you please imagine that I get a bonus at my work and a raise and four years later he emailed me. He's like, I just want you to know, since I sent you this email, I've used the techniques, you know, and since that day, I've gotten nothing but bonuses and raises and I just made like seven grand in a few days. It was hard work, but I did it as a freelance thing and I never would have thought this was possible, but it really does work and it really does work.

And sometimes you just need to work with someone, you know, on a regular basis to help you stay on track. And that goes for everyone, that goes for me too. That's why I still sign up for readings and talk to people who I think, you know, have something to offer and insights that are helpful. So if you're interested in that, I will open up a waiting list for people who want to get started with that, but it's going to be a fun thing. And I'm kind of like, I think that's what I'm going to be doing with my time and kind of like my professional offerings going forward. I think that should be ready once I kind of get it all out and about sometime in March, maybe April, but I'm developing it to make sure that it like is the best possible thing.

And I do work with some people already on a regular basis, but this is going to be more like a consistent offering. So if that's something you're interested in, you can drop me an email at Noah@syncpodcast.com and I will add you to the list. So you'll be the first to know when that stuff comes out. All right, that's it. Let's get to this episode without further ado. Here is Jesse, an amazing theta healer and instructor. (gentle music) All right, third time's the charm. Jesse, thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you so much for having me.

Yeah, we got connected through our mutual friend, Nicole. You offer a data healing sessions. You also told me you teach people how to do that, which is really interesting. And I want to get into that a little bit later on, but I'm curious if you could tell me how you got into the field of theta healing, like how did you find out about it? How did you like literally get drawn to it? Like cause it's kind of like a unique thing, not a ton of people do this.

It is.

It's so true. And yeah, we are still a pretty small percentage, although it is taught around the world. But my story is actually funny, you know, I guess as most people's journeys do, I kinda had a low point and didn't know what the heck to do with myself. And it was just kind of in that seat face. And I actually had had a friend visit me and she wanted to go to a bookstore. It was like a metaphysical bookstore, so we went to one. And I went there just to really be with her and was in the healing section of the bookstore and saw this, the theta healing book is purple and black and I love purple.

So I was just drawn to it and I picked it up and I read the description of it and I was like, oh, that's really interesting. And I went to put it back in something about it. I was like, I don't wanna put it back. It was like, well, how much is it? (laughs) It was like 16.5 or something. And like, I think I can do that. I'm like, I don't know why I want this, but I kinda do. And so I bought it and like, it sat, of course, on my desk for I think two months, like we do. And then when I picked it up, yeah. I picked it up to finally read it. And like, I think by the fourth chapter my whole insides were buzzing.

And I was like, yeah, like this is, this is it. It is a truth. And I really, I read the first book that she put out by Anastival is the, I guess, strater of the delivering the message and the instruction on this technique. But I read her first book and then I think I signed up for class, the earliest class that listed that I could sign up to take. So I actually learned the technique myself was with, in two months later, so February. Actually, it will be 11 years that I will be practicing theta this month.

How about?

So it's kind of my, yeah, it's my little anniversary, 11 years.

That's pretty cool. So you were, you were drawn to it. Like what kind of like, you mentioned you were buzzing which is always the best experience when we were engaging with kind of like a new modality. It doesn't even happen in the spirit or just something we're genuinely excited about. What were some of the things that kind of like got your juices flowing or got you kind of excited about this within four chapters? Like what seemed to be unique or interesting enough to really get you amped up about it?

I mean, I think it was the empowerment behind it. Really, the thing I love about this technique and Viana and the way she delivers this message is that everyone can do this. And it's so empowering that we can learn to, with everything, it's a skill and with practice, we can tap into our own ability to make these changes on their own. Like yes, I'm a (indistinct) do it, I fit it on their beef. That's what I actually got certified to do. But at the same time, anybody like this, you can put it for yourself. And for some reason, I just got so excited that like there is a way, if you don't have to walk through life being into walls that have no control over, like you can then start to guide yourself and release old stuff.

Isn't you and embrace the new and it's really, it's based in the Theta brain, which is one of the five brain waves that our brain snaps in and out of as we go on. So the Theta brain waves, oh, I'll just kind of just because not a lot of people really understand what it is.

Yeah.

Theta healing is, it's actually at its base is a meditation technique. And meditation allows the person to go like intentionally on purpose and into their Theta brain waves. And for my experience, the Theta brain wave is kind of like your intention brain wave. I think I've heard it be called the God brain wave. It's where we tap into like the creative energy source of what we are and we can make changes within our conscious and subconscious mind. And we do this unconsciously all day long throughout our lives. I mean, every time we make a, we learn something and we determine something new, we can go into that Theta brain wave and set it into the subconscious of an experience where we determine something or we learn something good or bad, right?

We can go into, we snap into that. Just throughout our life, we are always setting things, replacing things, know and learn just based on the life that we're living. So the thing I like about Theta is that it allows you to do it and shut me and set it and consciously and intentionally instead of just allowing the unconscious to do it.

Right, right.

So it's like taking control of an apparatus that you didn't have control over before.

Totally, totally. I mean, this is also what got me super interested in a lot of the imaginal techniques that I use to this day and still get like time. I just got an email right before we jumped on or someone had emailed me four years ago asking, I offer to imagine things for people who are having trouble themselves or just want a little added boost. And this person was like, "Hey, can you imagine me getting like a raise at my job and boosting my income?" And then four years later, he just sent me this email. I was like, "I just want you to know, since I did this and since I emailed you, I've got nothing but raises and bonuses.

I just made like seven grand on a freelance project which is wild in three days for support." And I was like, I love hearing this because I talk about a lot of the similar things that you're mentioning related to theta. I love the modality and that's what I'm so interested in why I had you on. But like anything that can put the tools in our hands and allows anyone to use that, that to me is kind of, that's like my type of spiritual practice, right? I don't love top down authoritarian, you have to take this course and pay us monthly dues and only a qualified instructor of this caliber can do it.

And it's not that there shouldn't be a system to, you know, ensure some type of healing of course, but like just something that someone can use to communicate with their subconscious and the unconscious processes. And the same way you're describing kind of how we're making these choices all the time, just sometimes subconsciously, that's exactly how I describe manifestation. It's exactly how, you know, people are constantly creating their perspective and their impression of the world and quite literally the world. So I love that and it's something I sense when we went through this a couple of weeks ago, it was so good at getting towards these subconscious blocks that you may be aware are there, but you don't know specifically what they are or what's driving them or how to kind of identify them.

So I love that it's like the self-empowerment tool. And I also like that, you know, you describe these state of waves, which I'm aware of the different brain states as kind of like it greases the wheels for creating new neural pathways, like new perspectives and shifts and these integrate beliefs. And wisdom is like a huge thing. So you describe it as a meditative technique and I can attest to that fact when we went through it, there is a lot of that, but it also seems like it has a lot to do with kind of dissociation, kind of imagination and then kind of directing someone gently towards kind of revelatory states of consciousness that they may not have been able to access through another modality.

So if you talk a little bit about that, I'm fascinated.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, so the technique of itself is the meditation and that's where we actually, once we figure out what's going on, we do the shifting, the releasing, maybe some downloading of more appropriate, better ways of doing things. But when I'm working with someone or with my style freaks, I do this for myself as well. We do a thing called digging. And to some people are like, this kind of feels like therapy in a way, which really it kind of is, 'cause I'm just asking questions, right? And you're just answering. But it's a really open way of digging. And the more that you do it, the more that I've done it, right?

I've been doing it for 11 years. So with a lot of people. So I've kind of been able to, over the years, learn how the subconscious mind works, how it establishes belief structures and how it internalizes experiences. And it makes everything a benefit. It is designed to turn everything into, at least a learning experience, to where we get something better out of it. And so, and I'm digging, I'm just asking questions to kind of figure out what's going on within your subconscious mind. What was determined for you and the benefit that you're getting so that we can have full understanding of what's going on.

And we kind of get, we don't just receive great beliefs from this life. We have genetic influence. We can, like science is starting to prove that we can actually get experiences, traumas, emotions, all passed down genetically from our ancestors. We also can take in information from collective consciousness of the energy of the areas that we live in very heavily. And when we go and visit places, we can activate things.

Totally.

And so, it's trying to then just ask questions and figure out where within you, within your conscious awareness, is the hanging out. And so it does. Sometimes, I told you, it's gonna feel like you're using your imagination and I want you to make it up. Because if it's in your energy field, you have that creativity to draw on. If it's not in your energy field, you can't make it up because there's no awareness of it there. So if you're imaginative enough to make it up, then it's in there somewhere. So that's why it's actually can be really fun and interesting, can't it? To see what comes up.

I mean, I was shocked. I mean, it's an interesting thing because like, I think when you encounter kind of a subconscious belief, right? You initially make contact with it. I don't know if initially it's the right word, but like you can see it clearly. It feels new. It feels like something you weren't aware of, but it also feels very familiar because you recognize the energetic impact it's kind of been having. And you know, we did this for like what? A little over an hour. And I was, I do a lot of different things, like this type of stuff. I am very curious. I like to explore different modalities.

I use a lot of them for myself. I help people with some of them in particular that I feel I have a pretty good grasp on. But this was one that really seemed to like very quickly get to some core beliefs that I didn't even know that I was essentially running. And listen, it wasn't a magic block and was everything solved in my life from an hour and a half call? No, but a lot of things. No, and I wouldn't expect anything that's claiming to do that also should be met with like some heavy skepticism, but it absolutely like shook up enough of what was going on underneath the surface that my reaction since then to similar stimuli that maybe would have had me go into like a pure panic mode or just like what is going on.

You know, there's no control here. At least I can witness this that happening and then remember kind of what we uncovered and what we dug for. And I was like, oh yeah, like that's of course where this is coming from. Like why else would I be having all these feelings? In fact, there's evidence that this isn't even real, but I'm still kind of generating this. So I mean, it was very illuminating for me. And I think for people listening, like I hold this stuff to a pretty high standard. Like if it doesn't work, like I will say it didn't work. And I'm not someone who's just like going to, you know, be induced to believe something because like I want to believe it.

Like it has to actually show it's worth. And like this was, I felt so different for like, and I got to say like the afterglow of it lasted for a good chunk of time where I was like acutely like inspired. Like the podcasts I recorded since then, the bonus episodes, some of this content I created since then, like you can hear qualitatively like in my voice that like some things had been like shaken up and work. So I mean, I can't speak anymore highly about how effective I personally found it to be, which makes sense based on how you're describing it.

Yeah, absolutely. And that makes me so, I mean, that's always the fun part for me. And working with so many people and hearing similar stories, it's just, it's what makes it so much fun. And actually I was just super left-brained, super skeptical person when I first started as well. And I remember even when I went funny story, when I went to get certified, I had never even had a session before myself 'cause I was one of those, I want to do it myself. I don't want you to do it, yeah, I got this. So I'll just get trained and I'll do it myself. Well, the first day of class, I was in such resistance and I got like the worst migraine.

And I had been for like a couple of days going up, having the weirdest, strange just thought that I was just ignoring. And I remember telling the teacher, like, I have this migraine and it's really difficult for me to concentrate and I feel like I can't, they were teaching the technique at first in the first day. And I was like, I just feel like I can't. And she's like, well, what do you think is going on? And like this, it came into my head. And I almost was not even acknowledging the thought. But at that moment, it came into my head again. It was like, if I connect, if I may actually enable this within myself, I'm going to lose my free will somehow.

And I told her that. And she did just a little quick digging thing with me at that moment and she released it for me. And instantly I felt my resistance go, my headaches started clearing up and I was like able to do it. And it's like that right there. I was like, okay, yeah, there's definitely something to this. 'Cause up until then I was like, like, well, we'll see. But I was hopefully, you know, excited and optimistic. But yeah, that really, it's those types of experiences that got me in the beginning too. It was like, wow.

Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense too because like one thing that I speak about a lot when it comes to kind of just like imagining is your current state that you're in, your current mindset, your belief. Like if you are trying to jump timelines or move dimensions or create a different reality or a different version of yourself, we don't often think of this, but you can't be the same person. And what that actually feels like for your current state of being does usually show up as resistance. I mean, it can even acutely show up as like, you think you're going to die. Like, you know, you actually think that something is going to happen and you're physically going to die because to the part of you that has, you know, developed a habitual response to like data or just the stuff that's going on in your life is very threatening.

It's very scary to know that that may no longer be, you know, an operating system that you are using. It's like you've updated it and it has gone to kind of the archives and it's not really going to be running the show anymore. And there can be a lot of things that come up when we try to do that, but paradoxically, that's precisely how we kind of evoke change in our lives is we do fundamentally shift who we are, right? And that is scary, but it's also liberating. And, you know, I think that--

Very much so.

An initial challenge for a lot of people. And I'd like to say it gets like a lot easier over time, but I will say that like, you're always going to throw yourself new challenges.

Oh yeah, that's what we're here for. Yeah, that's what we're here for.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. Oh, what was I gonna say? Oh, the thing that I like about theta too, 'cause well, there's a lot of things that can bring us to that brink of like shift, right? And sometimes like things that we can do can like almost throw us too far over the line to where it creates a little bit of a chaos, a little bit of a crisis, you know? And the thing I love about theta is, I feel like it never quite take, because it's always coming from you. I'm asking you the questions. It's going as deep as you are willing to go and able to go, that it doesn't ever really send people over that line of like, okay, now we've cleared too much and it's created a crisis.

Like I've actually had clients feel like, oh, like this is so annoying. They can't we just clear all my limiting beliefs in one session? Why can't we do that? And I was like, you wouldn't know who you are or where you were if we did that, like-

Exactly.

It has to go incrementally. And so that you can kind of settle into the new, you, your new perspective. And then you're willing to take that step further out of your old paradigm, into the new, yep.

So you first started with this, what were you trying to clear or gain insight into? Like where were you in your life? I mean, you said it's 11 years ago, this month. Like where kind of like, I'm always interested to see where people are at and what kind of drives them to approaching kind of a new way of being or a new system of looking at stuff. So like what was going on in your life where you're like, something's gotta change. I gotta look at something here.

Yeah. So I was very much growing up a rule follower. I'm going to study and do what I'm supposed to do in order to get the things that they, quote, quote, right, say that I'm going to get by doing it this way, including my parents, including the area where I grew up. It's like, okay, you do this. And then you're gonna go and you're gonna be successful and you just follow these rules and then, and then that'll make me happy. And I felt like I did all the things and I tried a whole bunch of different careers and ultimately, and I've gotten married. And I just was trying to put all of my ducks in a row of like accomplishments and like, it was almost like, okay, if I do all these things, then I'll be happy.

And I was trying to do all the things and they weren't quite working out right. And I never quite ended up happy. In fact, the more that I tried, the more miserable I got. So in 2010, I got a divorce and I was like working in banking at the time. And I actually, weirdly, it was working in the end. Like, you know, from the 2000, there's a whole bunch of like crashes of different industries. Like I literally was working in high tech, high tech in Silicon Valley in 2001 when the dot com bubble burst, like everywhere that it was, it was, I was there and experienced. I was in real estate, I was building houses when like a whole bunch of places were foreclosing in different places.

I was working at Chase Bank in 2008 when that all happened. I mean, it was just so weird. And it was like, okay, so basically what this is teaching me is the world says that all of these things are the way. And I go and I do that. I gravitate two of it and it ends up all crashing. So that was trying to teach me to like do it my own way. But so I was like, all right, I'm just, I'm not gonna do this anymore. I'm not gonna do it the world's way. I'm not gonna try to force something that makes me happy. And I actually, I had gotten into Vikram yoga. Have you ever done that?

Of course, yeah, yeah. My mom is also into it, yeah.

I do kind of credit Vikram yoga back in the day, like 2005 for kind of bringing me back within myself and kind of realizing like, okay, I have a self in here that I need to listen to as opposed to just outside information. And so then I was like, well, I'm just gonna quit my banking job and go be a Vikram yoga instructor. And that's what I did. But then my body doesn't seem to handle that heat.

Yeah, it's a chance, right? It's super interesting. I can never get into the hot yoga stuff. It's really, really hard.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I had to be in that hot room like 25 hours a week or something to make a living. And yeah, my body died. So ultimately, like I was pushed out of that too. It's like, nope, you thought that was what you were gonna do, but no. And that was where I was. It was like, okay, I can't go back to what I was doing, but it's this yoga thing isn't it. So now what? Like, I need to be free. I need to like find myself. I need to connect with myself, but how do I even do that? And I started journaling every day. And like about four months later is when I found the book. And then it just took me on this whole...

It's wild. I mean, it's interesting. Like, you know, I asked that question to more nowadays because I've just noticed in working with people and, you know, talking with friends and family, it's we're in this very, very weird transitional period, which seemingly has been here for at least a few years. And, you know, I think a lot of people think that it's just happening to them. Like they're like, oh, well, this is just the part of my life where I'm going through this. But it seems to be a collective experience. And I think, you know, the functionality of that is we are being asked individually and collectively to shift kind of what we're doing in this realm.

And it is trying to align us with things we are truly excited and passionate and curious about. But the system haven't quite emerged yet to support that. So it's like this very tall task for a lot of people kind of trying to align and find what it is they feel like doing. And I include myself in that. I mean, I know this just from the past few years and have been relatively successful and most of the endeavors I've actually pursued, but it's still nevertheless can feel like, you know, what is going on right now? Like what is out there? So like, let's say someone's listening to this and they're like, okay, I'm interested in this data healing thing.

Like where would I start? What can I expect? Like what would be a useful application of this? And I will preface it by saying, when I got referred to you by Nicole, I was just letting her know like, I feel stuck. Like I feel super stuck. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. This feeling is kind of draining the life force out of me. And she's like, I think you should try this. But like, what are some other kind of places you would recommend starting with something like data healing? Yeah, stuck is a great place to start and seek out a beta session. Fear is also another big one. I mean, I feel, which can feel very different.

I mean, fear can paralyze you and make you feel stuck as well. But fear can also just be, you're not even thinking straight, right? I feel like a lot of people out there are just kind of in survival mode.

Exactly, yeah.

And there's really no way to connect to the truth of yourself when you're in that mode. And you know, other people even relationally, like you can see it in career or money, but like you can also see it in your relationships. It's like every relationship feels like it's falling apart or I mean really anywhere, like dissatisfaction. If you feel like there's something more out there that you're just not identifying and you don't know how to get there, the process of data healing has helped me identify it. It's the clarity giver. Like you said, even with your session, like all of a sudden we had the session and then you got clarity on different areas and just had some aha moments and you're like, "Oh, okay, now let's go in this direction."

It's like a path opener. I mean, I will say again, I had been feeling relatively uninspired for longer than I care to admit and it's not in all aspects of my life, but at least creatively, like I was even having trouble just like summoning up the curiosity and excitement and then like directly following it, I found several things where I'm like, "Okay, you know, I don't know if this is the thing that is going to solve all my problems, but I'm excited about it. I'm curious about it." It's something that's like fundamentally interesting to me, which I hadn't experienced in long enough time that I was able to recognize the kind of power of that.

And let me ask you this. So like metaphysically, what is kind of the cosmology of theta healing? I know we did some kind of past life and ancestral stuff, but as you understand it and how it's explained, like where does this fit in kind of like metaphysically in the realm of like, "What's going on here?"

I think what you're asking. Actually, I don't know what you're asking.

Yeah, yeah, I'll ask it in a different way.

Yeah, clarify again.

You know, like people will talk about like they're being a creator or a universe or they're angels or like there's this type of stuff. Like is this kind of like a unified source energy? Is this like beings and they're doing this thing? Like where is it fitting into that whole spectrum of possibility?

Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, so in theta healing, we refer to it as creator, but also it's source. It is the universe, it all is, right? It literally is all that is. So it's creator of all that is. And you know, quantum physics says the center of every single cell, every single atom is just that. It is that creative energy of all that is. So, you know, we kind of have a technique where we imagine that we're going up and out to the seventh plane where that's all that is, unconditional of energy exists, but it's arguable as to whether we're not just going deep within, you know, the atoms of ourselves in order to do that as well.

Yeah, I asked this because I remember doing something like theta healing, there was an audio book and there was this meditative exercise where I think you were going through like this pink cloudy realm and like all these different layers. Like what, so what exactly like, what is that? Like where?

Okay.

Yeah, exactly, we get it. (laughing)

Yeah, so theta philosophy goes through, like there's, and this is different from dimensions. There's seven planes of existence. The first three planes are here on earth. It's minerals, rocks, soil. The second one is the plant world. Third one is animals and humans. Like those are basically the planes that we can see and we can be consciously aware of our five senses can actually see them. So third and down. And then fourth plane becomes, after we pass, we get out of this physical presence, we can go on to fourth plane of our ancestors. Fifth plane is the source of like, we as souls are born into the fifth plane.

And, but it can have angels, guides, that's where ascended masters, gods, goddesses, they're all existing them, they're on the fifth plane. And the sixth plane is the laws of the universe. It's kind of the framework of how things are set up and like here on earth, right? We are subject to the law of gravity, for example.

Right.

That obviously is not on the fourth and fifth plane, but it is here, but it's like that sixth plane sets up all of those kind of framework laws of the universe. And then the seventh plane is that source energy. And we also kind of describe it as the seventh plane being the highest, but also going through all the other as well. So as if it's a bullseye, it's the outer ring, but also the inner most ring as well. Like it's the seventh plane is everywhere. Really, the goal coming here is to recognize our connection back with the seventh plane, while still being able to physically be here on the third plane.

Yeah, you answered it exactly. Because I remember this stuff kind of like doing these exercises if I'm like, oh, that's really interesting.

Yeah.

And it, yeah.

So when you're actually, what the meditation, what the technique was actually doing is what it's literally doing is it's walking you up through the planes of existence.

Yeah, yeah.

And like the jelly-like substance with all the rainbow colors.

Yes.

That's the laws of the universe. And that you're a destined white, bright, or pink, iridescent light, that is the seventh plane of all that it is. Like it's walking you through the different layers of light and the golden light, that's the fifth plane. So it's literally just guiding you to walk through the planes of existence to access that seventh plane.

Excellent. When, like, when you started discovering this stuff, was there any like resistance? Because these are like, obviously, this is what I call the woo-wom. Like we're very young on the show, so people are comfortable with it. But like, you know, I think sometimes when people, depending on what their either religious upbringing was or just how they've experienced things, like, you know, they can kind of be like, "Oh, I don't know about that." Like, how did it kind of hit you and how do you, like, how did it fit into, like, your personal kind of metaphysical beliefs?

Being raised Christian, I totally understand people's like hesitations. At the time I was opening myself up and I did receive some resistance, but like, really within that class, that first initial experience was like, "Okay, you need to be open because there's something to this." And actually the thing that's really made me see the truth in it is all of my work with myself and with people in digging and releasing beliefs and their experiences with other planes and things that come from that. Like, it's just, it's the more that I get exposed to. And the more that I clear myself and heal myself, because I'm one of those people that every healer needs a healer.

And unless I'm doing my own work, I shouldn't be helping other people do theirs. You know what I mean? So, and the more that I do work on myself and free myself up for my own limitations, the more equipped I am to see the bigger picture and to help others see their way out of it as well. So, and really that's what I see myself as having done. And what's actually really cool about it, too, if anyone out there is wanting to help people in the same way, is every time I do a session for someone else, I am privy, like my conscious awareness, my ego, my brain, is also sitting there watching and learning through your experience.

And I can actually take that in. Like, I've had clients, I've sessions where it's totally resonated with me. Like, wow, I wonder if I'm kind of, I've kind of got this going on in myself, too, you know? And I can go up to Creator after and say, Creator, you know, happy paced that, that awareness in with me. And sometimes I'll get some guidance to dig a little bit in myself. But ultimately, I'm able to incorporate my clients learning in myself at the same time. So it's a double bonus. I get to help them and I get to help myself at the same time. Yeah, no, that's like really, you touched on a couple of really important things there, too, which is like every healer needs their healer is like, it could not be more true.

I mean, I think people who have done any of this type of work or worked with other people, like number one, it is a very sacred and precious kind of space. You're cultivating and holding for people. And if you don't have that kind of intentional awareness of it, it can get away from you very quickly because there are a lot of subtle forces at play, which we may not be consciously aware of. But I have found the same thing in a lot of my energy work with people. You get messages and it is like a healing thing for the person giving the read. I mean, there's definitely been a few readings where I'm like, I probably should have paid you for this.

Like this you help me really get to these four issues that are like, wow, like good job. But like it is like a very reciprocal exchange. And I think that is kind of a reason that we see more people getting into fields like this, not just like, I don't think anyone gets it. And if you do, please check yourself. Like I don't think people get into offering things like data healing or energy work or astrology or tarot, like for the money because number one, it's like that should not be your first place to go. If you think you're going to be like raking in the dough, especially in the early days, like it is very much kind of referring to people.

Yeah. Over time, obviously you can build businesses and like understand where your value and what the exchange is. But like it is something that really does tend to kind of raise the collective frequency of where people are operating. Cause what you're ultimately giving people is the potential to recognize what is kind of driving them. And what is like forcing them to be, I don't know, forcing the right word, but why they feel the way they do and with kind of shine a light on it and kind of dispel some of the uncertainty and darkness that can shroud these things, which can really like, yes, pull people back for very long periods of time of their life.

And I think regardless, no matter who you are, there is value in exploring these modalities. And maybe it's not astrology and maybe it's not the imaginal techniques. Maybe it's not data healing, but if this stuff does kind of resonate with you and it sounds interesting, I would never be shy about kind of investing in yourself and seeing if this is right for you because a hundred percent. You never know. You never know. It's true. Well, you know, just going back to your former question too, like part of this too is a soul's past life experiences, my experience, your experience, another place and time as another, another physical being. And I wasn't sure how to think about that.

It could very well be very, very old ancestral experiences too. So I kind of at first was like, yeah, it's just really old ancestors, you know, and then going into that imaginative digging, right, I had experiences that would come up that I visualize that felt so real. And especially in the beginning, now I'm used to it. But I was so blown away because throughout my life, I had certain fears or resistances or anxieties about different things that I had no, in this me, Jesse, in this place and time, there was literally no logical reason for me to have an aversion to that thing at all. And I even looking at my parents, like, they don't, they didn't, like, just didn't make sense.

I, you know, I don't know. Exactly. And I mean, I feel like there's a lot of people out there, like there were certain things where you kind of feel crazy. Like, am I just, am I just nuts? Like, why, why is this a thing for me? And what I found is that by actually opening up to that and seeing those experiences that felt so real, and then all of a sudden that brain connection happens, it's like, oh, that's why I had this. I was just pulling this forward from some other place where in this is not valid anymore. Like the, the environmental structure around me is no longer the same as it was in, you know, 800 AD or, you know, whatever time it would have been.

And you realize like, oh, and it just, it made me feel way more relaxed at knowing that, no, I'm not crazy. I just wasn't aware. And I couldn't, um, I couldn't classify where it was coming from. I couldn't apply it to my life. And so it just, it just felt like there was something wrong with me. And I get a lot of my clients come to me with that. Like, I just feel like there's something wrong with me. I'm not making connections between my, my life and my feelings. And going back into those deeper places, even even soul consciousness, um, you know, like it fits, if we internalize a belief deep enough, it can sink down onto that soul level. We take it with us beyond this life.

And it gets, it's very philosophical. And a lot of it is religiously influenced and all of that and recognizing that and just letting that heavy stuff go is really amazing as well. It's like, oh, oh, yeah. What I, what I really seem to like about data healing is that it fits in very nicely with a lot of different systems that I enjoy, right? Like when you mentioned some of the past life stuff, I immediately think of like Vedic astrology where there is a whole section of your chart that is related to like past life karma. And you know, I have a very, um, open view of how like reincarnation and past lives work. I do believe that like what we believe about how things work actually is what is true and what creates them. So that could mean there's no past life too. There's tons of past lives too. So I kind of, I'm open to that freedom of thought and kind of conceptual building a conceptual universe or system for yourselves. So it's, it's very cool how it kind of doesn't omit or kind of like work against other systems. Because so often, you know, if people are doing kind of the spiritual tourism kind of path, which is far more common, I mean, I was saying this to someone in our mastermind group, I have in my server. Um, you know, if you think about how you know this, we've been around the block enough. But if you think about how spirituality, like a path would have warped say 20 years ago, like you had to do what you did, which is being a bookstore, kind of get this synchronous moment where something falls off a shelf, or you needed to hear something from a friend or somewhere and then go, Oh, I'm going to go get a book on that or research that somewhere at the library of all places. Yeah. Now, it's very, very different. You can't go on social media. If you've ever liked or watched a video about, you know, inspiration or manifestation, you're going to get inundated with hundreds of thousands of pieces of content and instructors and teachers. So it's a very different process now. And I think more people find themselves having to sift through a lot of different types of modalities and healing things. Yeah, a lot of times, they contradict each other or they don't they don't allow the freedom. So when you find something that is kind of like a universal puzzle piece within everywhere, it at least is worth your attention, right? And that's kind of what I found is like, I totally agree. And you know, I actually was very it was a really interesting from an experience for me as a teacher. I taught an advanced class one time. So I mean, there's a plethora of theta classes that you can take the first two being like the basic class and the second class is the advanced class. We go into a little bit more of an explanation of the planes of existence. Like I just kind of briefly explained to you. And in the class, I had three people. One was Christian. Like, and these are still like practicing. One was Christian. One was Jewish and one was Muslim. And I thought like, this is such a cool class. And so we got together and we're talking, you know, we're talking about all these different concepts in the planes of existence. And I kid you not like, I would make these points. And all three of them would be like, oh, my religion teaches that. Yeah. And I was like, all three of your religions teach that.

It's like, yes, it universal truth, right? Like all religions, there is, there is that universal truth within them. It's just the technical, you know, differences where people get caught up. And so it was so cool. Yes, the semantics, the surface level stuff, but the depth of concepts and truths are all there. You know, and so it was just so neat to see. And also these practicing, you know, religious women that were very much embracing data healing and using it to grow their lives. And all three of them are now, you know, really great healers. Let me ask you this. So is there a difference? Like, do you find like men being drawn to this as well? I've found in some of these modalities, there's kind of a skewed ratio. Like, what is your kind of experience been with people? I know it's for everyone. I'm obviously a guy and I did it and it was, but do you find that like, you know, women who may be a little more intuitively inclined for various reasons, gravitate to this stuff more? Or do you have you seen any shifts? Yeah.

Um, I do see that. I would say over the years, I have seen more men coming into it, either, you know, getting receiving sessions, also going to trainings. But I would still say it's probably about 75% to 25%. If that, you know, women are just smarter. That's really as I've learned and connected with, you know, people in my life, you know, very quickly, have I realized like stuff that I think are like profound realizations, like all of my like spiritually inclined women friends are like, what like, that's like basic shit. What are you talking about? It's called your intuition. It happens every day. Pay attention.

Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's also that right, right? It's also that, you know, women are allowed to feel in our society and traditionally men, you're just really not allowed to feel. And so, it's really hard to go inside and get connected with yourself when you're too busy not feeling anything. So like I even noticed like having a session with a lot of men, not you. Um, but even asking them like, how do you feel about that? Like what are the emotions that come up, even having them like try to find the emotion that describes it. Like a lot of times they'll just do a verbal description of it. It's like, it sounds like you're describing regret. Oh, yeah.

Regret or, you know, whatever it might be. But that's probably a big part of it. And I do feel like that's shifting now. So that's good. Well, it's a huge point because in what you're talking about with data healing and what I talk a lot about with the imaginal acts, like the secret sauce of this are your feelings. Like that is where you lose you from state to state. And I do think a lot of men have grown up. Um, I don't want to say like being explicitly taught not to relate or identify their feelings. It's certainly not something that's encouraged. And it's not a societal kind of, um, yeah, it's a bit submersive. Like it's, it's just underneath there. But and yet message received. Yeah. And I've noticed like, you know, talking about this stuff as a man and, you know, having various people connect. And I have, I think it's a relatively healthy split of people who tune in who are men and women. But I think it's used a little bit towards women.

Um, it is changing. And I think people men, especially are kind of recognizing that like, they do need to be a little bit more vulnerable and in touch with their feelings. Because even if you achieve this success or fulfillment or whatever it is, like you're going to want to be able to feel it, you don't want to just have the trappings of it and be stuck. That's its own type of like weird purgatory prison. Um, so it is something that I think I've seen it shift more. And I think men are looking for that. Um, so it's, it's cool that there are different ways for people to get involved with it. So like, let's say someone's been listening and they're like, okay, you know, you have peaked my interest. I want to find out a little bit more about this or let's say they want to get in touch with you. Like what should their next steps be for kind of like taking the road?

Should it be the book? Should it be booking a session? Like what do you, what would you recommend for someone who's now interested in data healing? I mean, like I said, for me, and you said for you, like a session, getting that initial clearing, um, is really eye opening. So I would always suggest that at least, but the book, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I think it's probably still 1695. Maybe it's gone up to 20 bucks, but like that's a really, really, um, cheap way of kind of seeing if it, if this resonates with you. And I feel like any good here, like with me too, like this probably poses a lot of questions. Like how does this relate to what I'm going through? And like, I need to explain to you a little bit of what I'm going through and like, tell me if this is actually even going to help me, which one data healing can pretty much help with anything.

So I just kind of blanket that. So don't worry. Like your problem is not special enough to like not be able to be helped. Um, but at the same time, it's nice to just be able to have that casual conversation and ask for more clarifying questions of like the process and how things work. So I, I always offer that. And I know a lot of other healers that do that as well. Um, and then, and really, oh, you know, I was kind of going to say too, it part of it is allowing yourself to ask for help. And when you were talking about the thing with men, like a lot of times men have more trouble asking for help. Yes. Then women do. Um, and so that's a part of it.

And the other thing, the thing that I saw with men too is ones that reach out and like will have a session or two. I think sometimes there's a misconception of like, this is going to be like therapy. Like I'm going to have to go once a week for the rest of my life. Right. And, and from my perspective as a day to healer, my goal is to heal you so that you can move forward and not need sessions every week. Like to empower you actually to go ahead and do it for yourself. Or, you know, that's why I really became an instructor because I'm like, you know, have a few sessions, move some, some major stuff. And then you don't have to just go to learn the technique if you want to go help other people with it. You can learn the technique and you can just do it with and for yourself.

Although I will say practicing with other people and using it with other people is, is a much better way to learn and just expand your knowledge and awareness. But opening up to that, like, I mean, people, you might have a couple of sessions for yourself and then be like, I really want to empower myself to be able to do this for myself and learn more. I love that. And I actually at this point, I have a lot of day to healers that are my clients. And I love it. They do most of the work on their own. And then when they get into a place, because we all do, right, where you can't see outside of your own stuff. So that's where the healer needs a healer thing. And you just go and allow someone else to help you. And yeah. What I like about this so much too is that like, there's an innate authenticity to this because a lot of times when you are going to like a healer or someone who's facilitating healing, which I think is a great term, there's this persona that's put up like this person has it all figured out. And they are this perfect divine being who's going to impart the cosmic wisdom onto you. Yeah. And it's enabled by social media and all these things. Yeah. Kind of have to brand yourself as such. And that just doesn't resonate with me.

Anyone who is saying they have it all figured out, I've gone through great lengths to be as transparent as possible when I'm speaking about that. I don't have it all figured out. I have figured some things out and they are testable and replicable. And you're willing, you're if you're willing, you can try them. But like, I'm not a finished product. I am not like a perfect person avatar, you know, working Christ like through all things. Like it's just not who I am. And this does seem like very accessible and relatable, but also like pretty deep and pretty profound if you allow it to be, which is really cool. Yeah. I was just going to add. I was just going to add real quick. Yeah. Like the way that I see my job is it's not my place to tell people how they should live. I'm here to facilitate them telling me how they want to live and why they can't right now. Like it's, yeah, it's like whatever you want to bring into your life, that's what I'm here to help you facilitate and or teach you to do it yourself to facilitate yourself, you know, and that I'm just what I'm with you. I don't do social media very much as well. Like people always ask me and I'm just like, no, because I don't see it as my place to tell people what they should be thinking or feeling or doing or no. I mean, it's their life. It's their journey.

Yeah, there is no should. So I agree with you. And then my last kind of big question here is like, what's it you wanted to get into teaching this or becoming an instructor? You mentioned you went to someplace like, how does that work? Or is there like a universal place that people go? Or you just look in your area or is it online? Like, how does that work? Yes. So I teach practitioners. So look, well, and here's really how it works. So you can buy the book. And if you can do it from just reading that the book gives you the instruction on the meditation technique, like if you're able to go ahead and use that technique and it works for you right just out of the book, you can do that.

And you can do that for yourself. 100%. And that's 20 bucks. And there you go. For me, I was blocked to it, as I said. So I kind of tried the technique, but I wasn't really able to do it. I went to that class. It freed me up. And so that helped me as well. So if you're reading the book and you're not feeling like you're doing it, then take a class and you will feel much more confident in it. And just it really all it takes is that basic class. And you'll feel much better about it. And that's to become a practitioner. If you actually do take the class, then you're certified to not only do it on yourself, but also to practice it on other people as well.

And there's a bunch of classes that you can do. Like really, once you get past the first four classes, I would say, then it just becomes like, okay, this is once related to a soulmate. This one is manifesting in abundance. This one is relationships, like friendship, you know, it's yeah, they're more specific or intuitive anatomy, like dealing with the body diseases and disorders, things like that. So then you, if you wanted to become an instructor, you would have to at least take the first three or first four practitioners courses, which is basic advanced DNA, digging deeper course. And you would create a course, which is it's really clarifying that relationship between seventh plane and creator of all that is and you and how to know you're connecting and all that. Once you have those four practitioner courses, then you can go and by and a stable teaches all of the instructor courses. And since 2020 actually, it's become a lot easier to take these courses because she's been doing them online before that. Like when I got trained, I had to, I went to Minnesota, Montana, where her headquarters is, is centered. Yeah, which is a really neat experience, actually, if you get a chance to go to Montana to her facility up there, it's great. But she teaches the instructor's courses and and then you get certified to teach practitioners. So you mentioned you're not on social media.

If people were interested in booking something with you or getting in contact, what's the best way for them to do that? Um, I am, I mean, I am on social media. I just, I'm not really you're not like on it. No, like, it's at my Instagram is at thetahealingbeliefs within us. So you can absolutely go on there and and message me. Okay, amazing. Cool. And with three short questions and then one little one, what is your favorite number? Oh, eight. What's your favorite color? Red. What is your favorite animal? Oh, a cat. Nice. And last question, what's a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you could share with other people? This can be anything from mundane to mind blowing, but a practical tip that's helped you. Don't measure yourself against anyone else.

A very, very good one. Jesse, thank you so much for coming on. Um, this has been great. I, I really, um, thank you session with you. I'm sure I'll be doing another one as soon as I count, encounter another major obstacle and challenge, which seemed to be not irregular at this stage in my life. So I'm sure it will happen at some point. Um, but thank you so much for coming on. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I've had a great time. Awesome. [Music] The pain goes hard tonight. The city by the bay has moved the stars and the good stars and soft decay. The rumbling from distant shore sends me to sleep, but the effects of life can sometimes make it hard to dream.

[Music] [Music] I hope to make you come back again until I break everything I want to find, until I'm all together. I hope you enjoyed that episode. Again, you can connect with Jesse at theta healings, right? Theta healings. What is it? Hold on. Don't let me fuck this up, guys. What is it? Here it is. Theta healing beliefs, right? On Instagram, you can go and send her a message if you're into it. Her name is Jessica Laverie, Laverie. I didn't say her last name, so I'm not exactly sure how to pronounce that. I hope I'm seeing it right. She's awesome. I really found this to be incredibly useful. Just make sure it's something you are called to and resonate with. I got to say, of all the things that I've done in the past few years, this was one that stands out as particularly effective at identifying subconscious blocks. It can really be used in tandem with the imaginal stuff because you get down to these core beliefs and you can find where some of the resistance is. If you're just kind of employing those techniques and you don't have an idea of what that is, it can get kind of tricky, right? It can get a little bit difficult, so that's it.

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