Sacred Spaces with Alexis Readinger

♪ Then I'm bent to keep ♪ ♪ She call me up to save me ♪ ♪ Calling in the mirror ♪ ♪ The castle's not the way I'm fixed ♪ ♪ I put these walls upside down ♪ ♪ I carry in time ♪ ♪ I don't know what to do, what to do ♪ ♪ She thinks I know they could be the one with me ♪ ♪ I'm ready, we're living the way behind me ♪

Welcome to Synchronicity. My guest this week is Alexis Redinger. She runs Preen Inc, which is this amazing firm that creates magical, sacred, cool spaces. All over California, she's just doing cool shit. You will hear in this episode what she's about. There were birds there, birds. If you've seen the gift, do you guys know I put gifts up for every episode on the synchpodcast.com? I chose a bird gift for her 'cause there was two fucking cool ass birds doing their thing. Was it Charlie and Lola? Is that right? I think if I remember correctly, that's those are the names. They were lovely. She was lovely.

Big thanks to Jill Shock, who when I go back there, we'll do a podcast with her again, the Death Doolah LA. She's the best. She introduced me to Alexis and I'm so glad she did. 'Cause what a great conversation you're about to hear today. You're gonna love her. She is cool. We talk psychedelics, we talk spaces, we talk trauma, we talk dreams, we talk time travel. Lots of fun stuff in here. So stay tuned for that. Whoa, how should I mention my friends, Ned? Guys, these dudes are fucking supporting cool shit. You hear, know them on other podcasts. You know them from this podcast, CBD, cannabis, hemp.

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Stay tuned. The details will go up on sinkpodcast.com/readings, and there will be all the details. I'm going to open up the digital books again, but basically what's been happening is you guys have been pouring in. It's been fucking incredible. I've honestly just feel so good and feels good to know that this is what I'm supposed to be doing. You guys are getting stuff out of it. It's wonderful, but I need to make sure that my space and time is in check with all of this stuff. So I'm going to be just closing the books, figuring it out with Jake, my assistant. He has some great ideas, and I think it's going to be helpful for me managing my time because I do a lot of stuff, if you can imagine.

So yeah, stay tuned for that. I'll leave them up through the weekend until I go to LA, but I'm going to close them for the week that I'm there. So there'll be, or the two weeks I'm there. So it'll be up and ready and cool for everyone. So that's going on. Is there anything else I need to mention? Let's hang out in LA. Let's find a fucking cool thing to do. If you're there, let's get up. I got a house. Oh, I'm staying at this healing house. I'm going to have more details for it while I'm out there, but is this Airbnb? This dude, Riley, I'm super stoked. Like I joined Airbnb and most people don't want you to stay at their place if you have no reviews.

You just seem like a shady person. I'm like, dude, you can Google me. And then Airbnb blocks on the message, the word Google. So it's like, dude, it rhymes with Google, Google me. And then he did, and he's like, oh, we're on the same vibe. He's like, I got this really fucking cool house and sound healing and I'm like, all right, perfect. Way to be life in general. So yeah, cool stuff will be going on out there. If you want a quickie reading when I travel to past the time and because it's fun, I do the, I guess we'll just do like $13 to $20 readings on Instagram. They're just like a three paragraph thing I'll do for you.

So you could stay tuned for that. It's a different price point. I'm trying to make sure I accommodate everyone. I don't want to just be some like fancy, I am, listen, I am a fancy ass. Terror and astrology reader at this point. And I do charge a lot of money, but I want to make sure that if you want a reading, there's a way to get that done too. So Instagram would be the place to follow me for those impromptu things when I'm in transit. What else, what else? I think that's it. Just have a good time. Remember that everything is fun. We have some really cool episodes coming up, some very cool guests, some solo episodes.

I've been moving around in my mind. Just cool stuff. Do you remember how I said I wanted Neville Goddard's birth time? Someone found it for me. But they were like, it just popped up. I thought I'd share it with you on Instagram. I was like, oh my God, fuck yeah, this is the best. So I have this full birth chart. I think we'll do an episode where we do that. I just want to remind people, whether it's Neville Goddard or anyone, any mystic, don't get too caught up in the person. It's fun to like, whoa, that was cool, but it's you. It's you, it's always you. So it's fun to connect with people and share and make music and all this fun stuff, but it's you, it's always you.

Don't forget that. So we'll do an episode of that. And then we'll have one of those reading episodes. There's just fun shit going on, guys. It's really fun. That's it. Let's get to this episode. Man, Alexis, she was badass. Go check her out, preen. If you need any like architectural or spaces designed, I can tell you confidently, she is the person for that. So without further ado, here is Alexis Ranger. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

Keep, is it a girl?

Yeah.

Can she talk into the mic?

Would you say Apple? She's like, no, I'm terrified of that. (laughs) She's trying to get away from it.

How many words does she know?

She's funny, like, it'll just be a full sentence out of nowhere.

Like what are some examples of like a sentence theoretically?

One day she's like, I like that bird. I'm a bird.

Oh shit. (laughs) Right?

That's crazy. How long have you had birds? Like how long have you been connected?

You know, I had them when I was little.

Perits?

Yeah. Well, no parakeets.

Parakeets.

And then started getting lovebirds when I was in architecture school.

What are lovebirds?

They're real pretty, they're all like super colorful, that we had a lot of unfortunate, untimely deaths.

Oh, how?

How? It's happening.

I'm not even going there.

Oh.

And I always wanted a gray, and Charlie was a present from my old boss.

Wow.

Yeah.

And Lola?

And Lola, I let Charlie pick Lola out.

How?

At the--

Took her to the bird shop, and that's who she wanted to hang out with.

Wow.

But they were babies, so they were both only a year old.

What do they look like when they're babies? So they're just--

Kind of the same, but their eyes are different, their eyes are black.

Eyes are incredible. Like truly, that's the first thing I noticed.

She said, thank you. I mean, amazing. That's cool. So recently, the reason I asked this is because I've been really-- you just say it right now before a second. I've been jumping into various energies of animals, just because it's like, we have characteristics associated with them, there is clearly attributes. Like the same way we would use like deities or gods, but the animals have them as well. And since I've been doing that, I've encountered a lot more, you look intuitively new right before. You're like new.

I felt her body change. Yeah, yeah.

That's awesome. I've just been experiencing and encountering a lot more animals just like out. So that's why I'm asking all these questions about birds because they're all symbolic of something too. They're a part of us, right? And they express something out. And I think it's really cool that you have to and you live with and work with, that's fucking cool. All right, Alexis, what were in your workplace, preen Jill who's sitting over there doing her own thing while we're talking, introduced me to you. And what, it was under the auspices of magical places. 'Cause I was working on a project, I'm working on a project about magical places.

And she's like, oh, I know exactly who you should speak to. So I'm curious who you are. Why, what, how did you get connected with magical places? I know architecture and stuff like that, but like, what drew you to do what you're doing right now?

Wow, what created the conversation? 'Cause it almost feels just like a return to being a kid, you know, and just allowing that conversation to be back again. And I don't even know, like, it's been like, and I'd say there's been a process and an evolving that's happened. And I've had, my business is turning 15 at the end of the year.

Kinsenia for Charlie too.

Right, for Preen and Charlie. And I think one of the things that I was never able to do with the business was actually explain what my intention was or what was different about us or what we were doing. And I really think that we've had a slower growth because it's taken me being able to step into that conversation for the business to actually flourish. And I got into a bar project in my neighborhood a few years ago, and it was my first independent development project.

You got on your own.

Yeah, like a charge of, like, yeah.

Yeah, like bought it.

Yeah, wow.

It's like raised money. And I picked really unfortunate partners. (laughs)

Oh, I know that dynamic. I've experienced that dynamic before, huh?

Yeah, and so--

It'll teach you.

Oh, yeah, I got my cherry popped.

Yeah, it was always the first time.

Oh my God, it was pretty awful. And it took me a couple years of them sort of drawing this thing out. And eventually I was able to get all my investors out and tagged, which was my intention was--

Right, not fuck over the people who you had brought in because of shady fucks, like, totally.

Totally. And when that happened, I was like, you know, this is just not who I am. And there's gotta be other people in the world who care. And so I started just googling. (laughs)

Yeah.

Like different communities and groups.

What were you googling?

Just trying to look for, like, who in business really, you know, cares about the world and people around them.

Right.

And I had had a very intentional community socially for some time.

But professionally it wasn't syncing up to that point.

Exactly, I didn't have that at all professionally.

Right, right, yeah.

And so then actually Channing you met this morning who came through, I met her through this inquiry through a developer friend of mine. I found Summit, I found, you know, in some of the communities I, like, tried on, but just didn't stick.

Totally, yeah.

Like, went on a nature hike with the young impact investors and, like, I don't know.

It's like surreal, like, I just wrote the objective, like, witness observer principle. That's a pretty fun experience, I'm sure. You know, even if it doesn't, like, mesh, and you're like, this isn't for me. It's just like, what? This is something that people do that I didn't know about.

Yeah, and there's all these groups out there.

Infinite, there's more and more every day. And they all get, yeah, totally different interests and ways of approaching the world. Yeah, so you're trying on different.

And then, and I had done, I had also done Landmark back in '04, right, Landmark?

What's Landmark?

Landmark Forum, it's what, do you know, remember, like, est in the '60s?

No.

Consciousness, seminar, just arbitrary set of distinctions that are created, you know, by which you can look at what you're doing to, you know, advance or stop yourself and whatever you're doing.

Totally, I get above the consciousness, like, the unconditioned awareness of--

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

Why did I bring that up? (laughing)

Well, you're mentioning S.

Oh, languaging. So, yeah, so it was, I ended up working with a brand identity team on a project I did up on Sunset. And the way that they were speaking, I was like, did you do Landmark? 'Cause I could just hear some of the terminology, the way of speaking. And so they introduced me to my coach that I'm working with now. So, between working with my coach and my empath.

Yeah, that'll do it. Oh, that'll do it. The conscious and subconscious minds working in tandem, that'll do it.

Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's my mission, statement for the company very much came out of reading.

Yeah. - Yeah.

Because it's, you know, my take on readings now that I do them for people is the cards, the charts, the energy is always you, the querent. And so, it's a way we present what we actually want and want to experience through another person, through a reading, through a coach, through whatever. And it allows us to accept it kind of in an easier way if we just kind of like, think of it quick, or like, are we sure, like you can't, the cards don't lie, the astrology chart doesn't lie, the coach is giving you good stuff. So, I found that to be like a very valuable way of kind of like getting below the threshold of like our conscious minds, like through other people and stuff, yeah.

Yeah, and then to the place where I'm like, you know, it's also, it's not about, you know, what I'm interested in creating and some levels is not about me at all.

It's just, you know, being in the conduit.

For sure, but in some ways it definitely is too. Don't forget about that. That's something, I used to do that more than I think was healthy. I think there is a level of awareness like in unity consciousness, when you jump up kind of that unconditioned awareness, you recognize even the concept of you is probably an abstraction, right? You still maintain the sense of identity, but here you want to be more aware of kind of, you know, honoring both helping others, but first making sure that you don't diminish yourself.

Like the airplane.

Yeah, exactly, oxygen masks first, and then really making sure they're like, 'cause like as much as a conduit is just the vessel and I think that's what I live from that space a lot, especially when I'm doing like intuitive stuff. However, I found that if that morphs into me diminishing who I am, individuated, that doesn't work either. You know what I mean? Like I was like, also, yeah, I am also awesome. And I also am able to be a vessel because I'm fucking badass, like, you know what I mean? Like that's important too. I've just found that out probably the most in my life for the past three or four months and it's like, yeah, shit is good to do that.

It's interesting, it's an interesting balance. And being a creator, yeah, you're like, "I am the creation, but also I'm not." (laughs)

You're both, right? I like the Rastafarianism thing, the I and I, right? The big I, everything, you're that. But you're also the little I, you, right? Alexis, Jill, Noah. Like those two co-exist at the same time and they allow us to basically not freak out when living from both those places at the same time. That's been my experience at least. Okay, so you started connecting with the right people. We're sensing this merging of your world. So how did it begin to show up in your professional life, this merging of like what you've been talking about with friends and stuff?

It's still, I mean, definitely the level of integrity shifted in my clients. But I still have some that like to be pretty squirrely. (laughs) I feel like lately, I'm just like, I'm holding the space for everyone's integrity and like creating that for all the teams, different teams I'm involved with.

Yeah, yeah.

It's interesting. It's definitely, it's a maturation.

Yeah.

And it also just showed up in being able to say like, genuinely, what are we doing?

Right.

We're creating these spaces.

Right, what are we doing? What's the point?

Right, right.

Yeah, and it's like, you know, getting into just the heart space of the people, 'cause everything's emotional.

Feeling is the secret. It quite literally is what unfolds this reality. To the degree that we feel and believe things that is inevitably expressed in this world. So if you start from there with any project, whether it's a physical place, a state of consciousness, anything, and you feel it, and that shit happens. Always, like in my experience, it's something we're doing all the time. That's what the freaky is part about. People will ask me 'cause it's about this imagination stuff I've been talking about a lot. They'll be like, how do I do it? I'm like, you're doing it all the time. You're just not aware that you are.

It's literally, you either imagine this in the past and it's unfolding now, or you're right now imagining something and it's a direct reflection of your state of consciousness. So when we slip into the intuitive heart, the subconscious, the feeling state, and we trust it and we have faith in it, it always comes out. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life. Like when I've just completely surrendered to that and allowed it to be, not always comfortable, but without fail is what this world is. I view this world very much like an effect. When you change your mindset, when you have the intention of integrity and all of these things, your clients picked up that bat signal and are like, oh, the prospective clients who come to you are like, oh, there's something energy there that I'm sensing now and I wanna work with her.

And magnetizes. - Exactly, for sure. So like, what's your philosophy when approaching kind of creating a physical space for any project? Like, where do you start when doing that?

So there's so many different information feeds that need to sort of be considered, but really it's like the primary is getting into the intention of my client because there's something that they care for so deeply and they're not generally able to language it.

Express it clearly through Zintaxia.

Or it's even just like energetically, there's a nuance to it. So it's like maybe something you can language. So it's that discovery process is just kind of receiving all that information.

And knowing how to process it and then get it out, right? I mean, that's-- - And it's not a conscious, I mean, there's levels of it that are conscious, but it's not a conscious process. And so it's that first schematic phase of just going through image after image, like thousands of images until we're pulling together 30 and then--

Owning in.

And then that starts to be the conversation around what we're making. And it's like, it's cool, it's totally subconscious.

What do you find a lot of clients wanting? What do you find like the spectrum of intentions are for people who are coming, who you're energetically, you can pick up on it and you're like, whoa, this is exactly what I love. What's been showing up?

Well, they're really all from the hospitality space.

Yeah.

So they all have a deep desire to be of service and create art and offer it.

Right, right.

From all the different places, if it's a chef or developer or whatever, but they're all coming from that space.

Yeah, yeah. There's gotta be a lot of nuance though to individual people and their energy for what they're trying to do. What excites you kind of the most, you know, in terms of someone approaching you with an idea or if there was like, let's not even say someone who's come to you, but like an imaginary person who'd come to you. What's like your dream kind of energetic person to come and be like, I want to do this.

Oh my gosh. It's hard for me to separate typology a project from just characteristics of being.

What do you like to do most in terms of projects though? Like what?

I'm dying to do.

Yes, this is what I want to know.

You guys.

Some like hotel or at least just meditation space, something around the hot spring, but I want to do earth work architecture.

Cool.

Yeah, and so, you know, we do so many hospitality spaces. We're not generally doing as much ground up architecture, but I'm ready to do more.

Yeah.

We're just finishing up a house in Oaxaca.

Oh, cool. My sister's in Oaxaca, Oaxaca all the time because Mascow, she's like Mascow Queen.

Oh.

She's always there.

So my client, Breecia Lopez was called out and the New Yorker is the queen of Mascow.

Oh, how interesting. I guarantee she knows my sister's test. It's impossible.

Yeah.

Impossible if you can't. Cool.

They own a restaurant here called Gillegetsa.

Very cool.

And I did it, yeah, designed a house for her and her brothers and sisters.

And so you like building, this is what I'm sensing here. You're now having the desire to build from the ground up, foundationally. Which to me, just when I hear it, just to be clear where my head is at, is this is an expression of what you're doing internally, right, to physically see that played out as a foundational thing that's built up from the ground up. You're expressing naturally what's going on in here now.

Interesting.

Yeah. That's cool.

That's interesting. 'Cause a lot of our projects, you know, it's taking what's there and kind of holding it and morphing it exactly. And also sensitivities, like, you know, we're pretty good at like, existing brands that need translated into a more current space or.

It's interesting, hearing you talk about this, it sounds like what you're really adept at is A, being able to tune into people's energies and intentions and aspirations and then take them in, work with them to tease it out. And like, these are my favorite types of people who, yeah, they can help you do some amazing shit that you maybe couldn't have done in your own as easily, but they show you that you actually had everything and they're just facilitating getting the energy out. That's like, that's a real skill for people 'cause there's a lot of people out there who don't think they're part, like they hire someone just like you do it.

I don't know, but like, it is so much more fulfilling for people when they're a part of the process and they realize it's actually them too, who's co-creating this, yeah.

It's all about co-creation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool, that's fucking cool. So where did you grow up?

Oh, I'll give you the full story.

Yeah, full story, please.

Was my family's from Texas for a long time, so I definitely-- - Yeah, we're in Texas.

Fort Worth.

Cool, cool, cool.

But when I was little, we lived in Little Rock, Arkansas. - Cool, my, Alexis's great-grandfather, her dad's dad, no, her grandfather was from Little Rock.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, in Texas, Houston afterwards.

Oh, there you go.

Yeah, I get it.

Arkansas is beautiful.

Yeah, I've heard it's really nice. It's an interesting place too, yeah. It's like Little Rock in particular, I think is like very unique in Arkansas, is that right? Or is it like kind of in symbolic of the whole place? What's what's your take?

Oh, I guess it's less redneck.

That's what I was saying. That's what I was trying to say in like the-- (laughing)

It's like the Austin equivalent also in like Texas, like Austin, Texas is like not, that's the only place I've been in Texas.

Okay, yeah.

And it's like, no one, they're like, this is not what the rest of the state is like. It's like, okay.

Yeah, but Texas didn't used to be all that conservative, either, it's just weird right now.

Yeah, it switched. But it's switching back on who knows? Anyway, you grew up in Texas.

It's just being flooded by Californians.

Yeah.

Yeah, so that's what happens.

Yeah, so, yeah, and you know, it's funny, and Arkansas grew up in a, our house was like a modern redwood cube in the forest.

Oh.

Yeah.

Cool.

My mom was into like antiques and abstract expressionist art.

Cool.

Beautiful.

Cool.

And I keep thinking about this place that they took me at. I must have been like, Charlie Bird, please, we're doing an interview. (laughing) I keep thinking about this place up in the Ozarks, called the Thorncrown Chapel. And when you talk about magic spaces, this is a Fae Jones project, and it's, I'll show you a picture later, but it's this succession of cross timbers that forms like a depth of sacred geometry. And then I'll glass sort of below in the forest.

Where is this?

It's in the Ozarks.

Those arts are kind of like weirdly magical, though I've had people mention them to me who live around them, and they're like, have you been to the Ozarks? I'm like, no, I haven't been, but like people tell me like, there's cool shit going on.

Yeah. - Yeah.

Yeah. - That's cool.

It's pretty neat.

That's cool. So you grew up in this kind of like, magical forest house in Arkansas.

Totally.

Okay, so you grew up there. How did you find yourself in LA though? I'm curious in people's LA transitions at this point.

I actually, I came out here for grad school.

Cool, for architecture?

Yeah. - Cool, cool, cool.

Exactly, I had just turned 21.

Oh, wow, cool, cool.

I liked LA, wanted to come out.

Where'd you go to undergrad?

Vanderbilt.

At what age?

16, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, my mom and my sister did the same thing, 'cause like you were saying, 20 went to grad school, it was like, I didn't graduate my eventual college until like I was like 26 or some shit. I didn't, I wasn't in school the whole time. I just like, stuff happened.

Gap year.

So yeah, in a way, definitely, in more ways than one actually.

Where were you in school?

I started in Boston at Northeastern, studying psychology and like within the first two months, I'm like, this is bullshit, like I hate this. Like this is not, I wanted to learn about like philosophy and like mind and it's like the brain. I'm like, fuck this. So I withdrew from there after like a year, then I enrolled in Berkeley, or eventually graduated from college of music. So, and that was great. It's just down the street too from Northeastern. So I was like familiar with the area and everything, but I did have a period where I had a withdrawal when I got launched into another dimensional reality for three months after I took it.

Did I tell you about this about the LSD, where I took it?

I think so. - In trip for three months? Okay. Basically, while I was at Berkeley at music school, I was taking a fair, I was very well versed in psychedelics. I mean, I was taking acid since I'm 15. I would regularly do high doses of mushrooms. Yeah. Yeah. - Oh yeah.

We're good, we're good.

She's okay.

It's all good, it doesn't bother me. And it won't bother people listening at all, I promise you. So, I would take like seven to 10 grams of mushrooms. I knew what the fuck was going on, basically. Like I didn't have hubris about it, but I was well versed in psychedelics. But one time I took like a nominal dose of LSD, like 150 mics, and I just didn't stop tripping for three months.

Wow. - Three fucking months straight. Through the dreaming state, through waking life, and it was such an extended period of time. This is why this podcast is partially called synchronicity. It was such an extended period of time that I had enough like, where were thought to like intellectually, empirically like test objectively with what the fuck is going on? Like sometimes I was just blissed out and there was weird shit. But then there'd be other times where I'd be like a normal person, like in my head and be like, what the fuck is going on? This is weird. So I eventually had to withdraw from school 'cause after this very acute kind of like, I was getting way too many downloads.

I was like a horny 21 year old in music college like trying to reconcile like deep fucking universal truths. And I couldn't just got wrapped up and my ego started getting involved in a weird way 'cause I was not prepared for what the fuck was going on and I crashed. So I had to withdraw. And I eventually enrolled a year later and they let me in the very prestigious program and I graduated from there. But that experience was not totally dissimilar from what I see a lot of people going through now which is when it clicks in that what you're imagining and visualizing and feeling and believing actually creates this world.

If the distance between what you imagine and what eventually unfolds gets short enough, it freaks you the fuck out the first time. It like can't not because you think of something and there it is. And it's like, holy shit, if that keeps happening.

And I'm amazed at like, first off that would freak me out. But I'm amazed at like, I had a really, really, really intense experience on DMT and Death Valley. And you know, in this coincides with actually that exact occurrence of me finding all these new communities.

Amen, I get it.

And there's a place we like to go to that's an oasis. It's like 60 miles on dirt roads and you kind of have to know which way to go and then arrive at these hot springs in the middle of the desert.

Cool.

And very cool. Did DMT there?

Yeah.

I just did that for the first time three weeks ago.

Oh, wow.

Loved it.

Yeah?

It was incredible. It validated everything I knew.

So it's interesting because the first time I tried it, it was all I, it was probably didn't have very much but it was just the experience of an entity sort of thing. Like I just felt flooded with love.

Yeah.

And then it was like, yeah, you get to feel that 'cause that's who you are.

You are it.

Yeah, exactly.

So this time in Death Valley, I did set an attention to meet my spirit guides.

Ooh, that'll do it.

And, but I, and I smoked, and apparently I smoked very, very little but I was completely transported and immediately like, everything became two dimensional and sort of a diamond pattern. And it was like, I went insane and it felt like falling out of a skyscraper and hitting pavement. And I was so terrified and so upset.

Yeah.

That I was like, I'm stuck like this forever. I ruined.

Right, this is me. I broke my brain or I'm dead or something like that.

Yeah, oh my God. And, and, but then there was this breakthrough and I was in this huge like glowing dome. That was all the colors of sunset.

Totally.

And like, and there was thousands of beings like presents is there, but three primaries. And they were like, yeah, like, and I was just coming to like it just fucking died.

Right.

Like, am I okay? - For sure. 100%.

And then they're like, we've been waiting for you.

Yeah.

This is what has happened before you come too.

Yeah, and it's okay. And I was like flooded with so much gratitude. And then the trans, it felt like a transmission. Like I started, I felt dirt under my hands and I'm like, oh wait, I'm in the desert.

Right, I'm on earth.

And, and my dear friend that had manufactured and given me the DMT was there. And I, and so he started, felt like he was patching me back to earth. And I was like, oh, interesting. He's one of my spirit guides.

Yeah.

And, and it's, it was the first time I felt like a real healing from the Ross and my mother as a young child.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

And it is immediately driven to start to create different projects in the world.

It just switched internally, like the trigger. Yeah, I get it. I think what DMT does based on my one time smoking changa and I ripped that shit. I did it three times like, cause they're like, you smoke weed, you don't know how to do this. Cause it's like the herb based DMT that you sprinkle on top of the DMT stuff.

Yeah.

And I ripped this thing three times. And second hit, everything got fractally kind of two dimensionally, third hit, lean back. And my experience was, it was on a beam of light that I was also the beam of light. It was vertically positioned. So it felt like up like a sentient, it was fucking nuts. I knew I was it. I was also writing it. And somehow I didn't really set a specific intention. My friends put on shuffle, higher love by Steve Windwood came on. That was my blast off. It was so fucking amazing. And then I asked, what, all everything? I said, all my dreams are really coming true. And I was just like, yes.

And I was like, whoa. I got scared at one point and I did my collie thing where I stick out my tongue going, ah. Kills the fear. Let's whatever needs to die, die. And came back down, it was like a nightclub. It was like purple flashing lights. And I'm pretty sure that is a physical location that I will experience in this life. Cause it seemed like it had tangible reality. It wasn't like, oh my God. But I think what DMT does, and I also heard before I blasted off, this happened to me on ketamine once. And I don't take a lot of ketamine. I've done it twice. But when I was rubbing my arm hair, it was shimmery.

It was like shing, shing. And that's right before I blast off. And I think what that is, is when you leave your body, that's the sound it makes right before it. Some people experience it like this high pitch wine or like there's shing. But what DMT seems to do is have you completely drop your body, but you still maintain your sense of self. Maybe not necessarily as Alexis or Noah, but we know we are, we still have that I am consciousness. And from there, it's just all bets are off. It's infinite world, varieties, interactions, cross sections of reality, people in this world, cross-secting. It's just, I loved it.

I fucking loved it. It was like just one of the most, and I think the same thing started to happen to me. I didn't ask for it. But since then, I've gotten a lot more intuitive messages that in this world certainly feel like not me necessarily. It feels like something, I mean, I know it is me, but it feels like some distinct aspect of consciousness that maybe I'm not familiar with, but it feels like something else, like God's. It's like, what the fuck is this? Now I just have to integrate that into my life in a holistic way because I think a lot of spirits wanna communicate with a lot of people who are alive right now.

It's just kind of, and this is a game to me. This isn't as high stakes as like sometimes make it seem, but like since we're in duality, moving through linear time, I think we're in a position where we can actually help a lot of people here and who don't have bodies or maybe like what the fuck is going on, you know? But it's a game, it's fun. That's cool. How many times have you done DMT just?

After that, I'm like, I mean, it's like, I have some here, I'm not, I'm not touching it. I'm like, I'm respect.

Do we get all to die on the pavement again? I'd rather not.

Honestly, when that all came out of that experience, I was with like five friends out there and I looked up and everyone's just staring at me with their jaws open. And my one friend's like, we did not know you could make noises like that.

Oh, shit. - Because they are screaming.

Yeah, they're like, oh shit, we broke her.

They're just making sure I was breathing.

Yeah.

And trying not to interrupt the process.

It sounds like you psychic, we killed yourself. And that is unnecessary. I mean, we do it all the time, but we don't usually perceive it as acutely as when we get those type of, you know.

It's interesting. I just camped with Zindo Project at Burning Man.

Cool, very cool.

Yeah, I do. I very much do.

So we were with all the maps, guys, and Android Jones.

Yeah, I was staying with my friend. Have you guys been down to that?

To what?

Some Skara.

I know what it means, but I don't know the place.

Oh, it's all, it's an arts district down here, but it's the Android Jones, all of his art, but interactive ways, and there's a film.

Very cool.

It's lovely.

Oh, that's my peeps. I haven't spoken to Android, but someone on my podcast that worked, it was like very close with him and had him on, like, for, yeah, that's cool.

Yeah, the visionary art stuff is great. I live near, aesthetically, all of it isn't my favorite, but I live near Cosm, just in New York, or Alex Gray and Allison Gray. And, man, they do have people who roll through, and I'm like, oh, shit. I'm like, that's some next level stuff. Maybe I don't hang it in my house. It's not like my aesthetic, but I'm like, wow. Well, you guys are capturing something that is clearly people experience and see, and you're able to pull it back and show people. That's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, so what's kind of your, what are you focusing on in terms of bringing into this world since we're on this subject?

Like, what would you like to see more of with these spaces you're creating, but also just, like, around you in general?

I think wisdom is showing up a lot.

Yeah.

I love making joyful space, but, you know, Jill and I have, I don't know if she's shared with you the project we've been developing.

Briefly.

And it's creating spaces for the dying.

Yes.

And Jill being a deathtula, you know, we're looking, it's the craziest thing no one has ever done it.

It, so.

I mean, like, there's a little bit here and there, there's some models, but it's not something that's been wildly explored. It's all spaces for the living.

Of course.

Around people who are dying.

Ramda said, when I first started working with them, he said, 'cause he was very, very much into death and dying at that point. I think he thought he was gonna die.

He used some stuff in Varanasi, I wonder.

Who?

In Varanasi.

Varanasi, yeah.

We should check into that.

Yeah, you'd probably find some other models, maybe in other countries, but he wanted, his idea was he wanted, when he died to be put in a coffin in like a mall, and it would say be dead now, and it would be like these places you walked into to like start learning about death. That was his vision, however, I think what you guys are working on is probably going to be the thing that actually invites people to do it, because to approach death, you kinda gotta be ready or willing to do that. You know from like your clients, and it's not everyone's gonna run towards it, because a lot of people, when they think of death, it's the end for them.

And that's what, I think there's the possibility of transforming that relationship.

It has to happen, right?

And creating the opportunity to have an unburdened death and an earthy, awesome, and sublime. What could be better?

Space.

Pilgrim Edge, totally.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, what I've opened up to recently, we were talking about a little bit last night, I really do believe every sliver of second, every time we experience, we are constantly dying. I don't mean like we're aging and then we'll physically die. I mean, it is a constant process of destroying our sense of self and rebuilding it up. It just happens so fast when we're awake, we don't catch it. But then you do have those DMT experiences or those weird anxieties that turn into ego death, and that shit is as best as I can tell intuitively as close as we actually get to the state of physical death, and to the degree we can strengthen our practice with that, what's cool is is when you do that, just you're finding out like when you psychically kill yourself and go through that kind of experience you see played out, you become a new person, but you also get more comfortable with the process of letting shit go, which is like pretty much what death is, right?

I mean, it's just embracing this change of letting all these conceptions of self, all of this physical reality, you're just letting it go. Like it's a piece of clothing you gently take off, but if you get all freaked out and are like, when I take off these bands, someone will fucking be obliterated, like that's not, then you never want to take off your pants, and you never think about taking off your pants and you're a weirdo walking around with pants all the time. So it's like, it really is something that in a multiple ways has to be approached, and I think the idea of a physical space for it where people can learn and just feel the vibe too.

Let's be clear, like that is super needed. Like we all have to deal with this shit. No one's getting out of this life, yeah. With some honesty, yeah. And integrity and like, yeah, it's critically important. And I think one of the things that I think, I have a pretty grounded connection to the sacred. And so the projects that are around this space, I think that's really the gift that I'm here to be giving. I'm curious to hear your chart. Do you know your moon sign? You know, everyone learn their moon sign. I'm just gonna keep yelling at everyone to learn their moon signs. Even if you don't believe in astrology, it's like the most helpful thing.

I was telling you, like, the reason I encourage people to learn their moon signs more than their son or their ascendant or even any other other positionings, which are all great, is the moon is how you feel. It's when you're alone how you feel and think of yourself. Also in the age of the divine feminine, rebalancing everything, that's the feminine, that's the subconscious, that's the heart. So when people click into their moon, they're like, oh, this is actually how I feel, not necessarily how you express yourself or how other people perceive you. It's like, I feel like this. I'm curious what your moon sign is.

Oh, I'm gonna have to go do my chart.

Yeah.

Taurus.

Ah, that's up, that adds up. Yeah, this is fascinating. Well, what do you do? You also seem like you, I don't use the word often, but it seems like you're pretty good at selecting your reality. I was gonna say manifesting. How have you been, what do you attribute that to? Do you have specific practices or how do you do it?

Well, I think because I mentioned earlier that my mother died when I was young, she was sick for a while with the brain tumor.

Oh, shit.

And so I was, we're doing my reckoning with divinity when I was like five, I gave up on God, started praying to the lion and the lion, the witch and the wardrobe. (laughs)

Weirdly the same thing. Weirdly the same fucking thing.

Totally. (laughs)

And it wasn't working, but I think it's a little thing. I was depressed and I was so sad. And so I just have always chosen, I'm like, I never want to feel that way again. And I'm choosing joy.

Yeah, as the choice. And as a choice that is actually you're capable of making.

Yeah.

Sometimes people hear that and they're like, that's impot, what are you talking about? I'm depressed, I'm anxious, I have anxiety. And it's like, yeah, but what if I told you, if you've ever felt happiness or not anxiety, you could imagine that state and it would have naturally expressed itself? If you empirically test it, that shit will work. If you resist it, you'll think that's crazy. But I mean, you're a proof. This makes me think of something too. One of the things I use about this imagination stuff for is not just for future selection, but I go back in time and I've been doing this a lot with childhood memories.

A lot, a lot, a lot. And you go back to a traumatic or shame or just like shit that fucking you know is there and maybe just still a little more cleaning up. You go back and you recreate the scene with sensory vividness and the feeling, but you change it. You change it from the higher perspective that you use yourself as time machines. You now have a perspective that if you could go back to five-year-old you, you'd be like, listen, you got this shit. And when you actually have this conversation, the weirdest thing starts to happen to you like either right then or the next day, you're like, what the fuck?

Like, I feel different. Like, what is going on? Like, I'm not running away from this situation but this thing that used to trigger me. I'm not reacting to. It seems to be a game, especially now in Scorpio season with Mercury and Retrogate, that a lot of people are doing. And then what I found to the degree we go back and kind of clear up a lot of that stuff, then it seems to be a lot of ancestral work. It seems to be a lot of like six, seven generations. Like, people didn't have an opportunity, even LA, to express themselves fully like people do now. I mean, there's fucking weed everywhere. There's like, everyone's like into spiritual stuff that everyone can have a conversation, even in New York.

Like, I was thinking--

It's happening in New York now too.

Oh no, I was at the James. So I was at the James, like a fancy Soho hotel and the concierge, just a regular dude, probably from like the Bronx, like Puerto Rican dude. I was saying it's a, I was on there on Halloween for to read "Terra." And I was like, it's a weird vibe out there. And he's like, what do you mean? It's like Halloween. I was like, no, like there's something weird. And I was just like, that's all I was saying. And he goes, yeah, it feels like an ascension. And I'm like, oh my what the fuck did you do? I was like, okay. Yeah, so like, there is something that people can palpably pick up on now that's easier to kind of access it as like a dimensional portal.

And it seems like to the degree that people can open up to this, you can actually help people who didn't have as easy enough time recognizing that consciousness creates reality, who were grounded in physical reality so much that they felt that the forces out there were actually shaping them rather than the reality that it's the other way around. That revision stuff, I highly recommend it for anything because you change the feeling, right? You show the younger version of yourself that joy is a choice that you've made and it's benefited you so much. And then that conversation with the younger you is like, oh shit, I can chill out now.

And what's weird is when you start doing this, you realize that the past and future quite literally are just conceptions. And when we heal them and integrate them into the present moment, shit just starts getting way better. Like that's the only way I could describe it. I highly recommend that for any childhood, any past things. I, yeah.

Landmark does exercises like that too.

Yeah, it's because it works.

Yeah.

Yeah, it works.

Interesting.

Yeah.

It's cool.

It's just an effective thing. So yeah, I mean, we could cover so many other things. What were some of the other kind of modalities that shifted you into, I don't know, let's call it a higher perspective or kind of a bird's eye. I mean, you have birds here. A bird's eye view of the situation of like your life and just life in general was, I mean, you mentioned DMT, mentioned that a traumatic death experience of your mother when young would certainly influence that. What else kind of led you towards this path?

I think just, just the moments of exposure to what you might call more hippie, state of mind. (laughing)

When I went to Montessori's school and I was a kid, so it was very much like free to be you and me. We were watching the Ella submarine and listening to Simon and Garfunkel.

Yeah. My kid goes to a Waldorf school.

Oh, yay.

Yeah, it's just like these kids. They're having a great time.

That's so rad. You're Waldorf dad.

Yeah, I am a Waldorf dad. I guess at this point.

My guy, he's a Waldorf dad.

Ah, yeah. It's a, Waldorf dads are interesting because I always considered myself pretty, you know, do whatever you want and I notice, even at the Waldorf school, sometimes I'm like, yeah, but let's also discipline these kids sometimes. (laughing) It's also like, make sure that they know sometimes. They can't just do whatever they want all the time, but I toe the line. I mean, it's a toddler. Toddlers are fucking insane. It's like, they're sociopaths, basically.

Yeah, they totally are.

It's nuts. Like, someone just sit there like he looks like I was FaceTiming with him the other day and he looked like a villain. Like, he was cute and he was adorable and there was no ill will, but he was just like lounging back like an evil villain with his thumb in his mouth. And he's like, yeah, what's good? And I'm like, oh my God, like, what are you doing? He's a tourist too. Yeah, basically, yeah, that's cool. So you have the freedom to kind of express yourself.

And then having that early basis and conversation in that space, and then it's like then you're a teenager and for me, I completely forgot about all that stuff. And then it just showed up later.

Yeah, when, when about?

Probably when I was in California, yeah.

Yeah, it'll happen. I just noticed it from being here like now 24 hours. I was here a couple of years ago for a few days. I mean, this is the city of angels. Like, that's not named that. Even if it was named that before it was like this, the fact that it is named that literally creates it. And it's very palpable when you get here and people can get tripped up by that because angels again are just a dualistic conception. It's not unity consciousness, you know what I mean? But everyone's an angel. That's another technique that I love using is you use your friend's voice as an angel. So you imagine like if you want something or you want to be something, your friend's validating it to you.

They say, oh my God, it's so great, you got that. It's so amazing. And you hear it clearly and you just accept it. And then you go through all the people close in your life and you have them do it the same way. And it's fucking, that shit works.

Very cool.

It's very good. What else, what else do we want to talk about? I just feel like there's one more hidden thing emerging. Let's get to the questions and see if it pops up. I asked three quick questions and then one longer one at the end. It's an open-ended. What's your favorite color?

Oh, I like all of them.

That's not as uncommon as you would think, but if you had to pick one and it doesn't have to be fixed, just right now.

I'm sort of in between yellow and blue.

Cool, very cool.

Yeah, the other.

Yellow, creative, intellect, blue, intuition. Makes sense. Favorite number?

Five.

Interesting. I can tell you, I've done like 200 plus of these. Five probably comes up like the least, truthfully. I mean, some people pick like weird, bigger numbers, but like usually one through 10, but five is not that common. Favorite animal?

Oh, bird.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gathered that. Last question. What's a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you could share with people listening?

The work doesn't speak for itself.

Elaborate though, I'm just curious to hear that.

Yeah, and I don't know if this, it's like you've got to be able to like people, and it's like also when they're looking at images, if you show them an image of something, they don't know what you're showing them. Or if you show them work you've done, they don't, you have to walk them through specifically, every little thing about why that's relevant to them and why-- - It's the narrative too, right?

Yeah, that was a big thing for me to learn. That is at the heart of every successful artist and creative, they understand that process, and they don't use it as like a formula, they just naturally understand that the narrative related to the piece of what you're doing, and like sometimes you can embed things as you know, into the project that maybe people can tease out and figure it out, but if you do walk people through like the intention and the nature and the energy of the thing, it's so much more powerful. 'Cause they see it as like, at least for people who are creating holistic spaces, right?

Like, that's badass, like a lot of people throw shit out there, 'cause it's an incomplete project in their mind, so it doesn't resonate with people, but when people kind of get into a space, and like, wow, the fuck is this? And like, you can also show them that there's like a whole conception behind it, and there was an intention, that's pretty cool. Alexis, this has been awesome.

Yay. - Thank you for coming on.

Thank you for having me.

Is there anything else you want people to know about, you where can people find you?

Love links and all of that too, but yeah.

Oh, awesome. Yeah, we're at prenink.com, like preen, like a bird.

I just, okay, now-- - That's it, you know, so the birds have an oil gland at the back of their, like by their tail, and they draw that through their feathers, and so that keeps them conditioned.

Wow. - I'm ready for flight.

It's them, yeah.

We gotta do another one where we just talk about birds and the symbology, I'm not even joking, thank you for coming on.

Thank you. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)

Thanks for listening to that episode. I almost forgot what it was called. They're called episodes, Noah. That, you know, you've done 200 fucking 50 of them or so. Go check out Alexis@preenink.com. There are links on this episode page, on the podcast, pay all the places. She is cool as fuck, as you can tell. LA, I'm coming for you. This is gonna be great. We're gonna have an amazing time. If you are interested in a reading, let's do an in-person one. It'll be really fun. So that's going on, fun times ahead, happy imagining. Leave your best fucking life, guys. Just treat yourself for real. This is the season for treating yourself.

Sad season, popping up on Sunday. Ooh wee, it's gonna be good times. All right, that's it. I will see you next week.

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