Ep. 70 - High Times with Sean Dunne

I'm devastated with awe and gratitude every day and I think picking up the camera every now and then and bringing people into that world and spread consciousness that way it feels like it feels very important. For the first time, this is synchronicity. Welcome to episode 70 of Synchronicity. My guest this week is the return of Sean Dunn, documentary filmmaker. There's some of the best documentaries I've ever seen. You can check them all out at veryape.tv. All of them are free. I mean they're they're basically, I've had him on before, but essentially he interviews people who are typically marginalized, typically not well understood and just like is really open and honest and gives them an opportunity to speak their mind, which I think is a very important thing to do, especially when we're dealing with people who maybe don't share our same opinions and you know, beliefs about the world. I think it's important to hear from those people too. It's critical actually, especially when we're trying to come up with a template for how to engage with people who disagree with us without being nasty and or jerky. So this episode was recorded last week at Sean and Cass's apartment in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, a note about this podcast and the podcast for next week. They're in person once. I'm going to be doing a lot more of these in and around New York. Hopefully going to be doing someone at this MindPod network live event on March 18 in Los Angeles. That's going to be pretty cool, but I will point this out about the live podcasts that I've been doing. I talk a lot. Have you guys not noticed this? I feel like on the Skype conversations I do with people, I'm a little more mindful of letting the guests speak and hearing from them because that's why a lot of people listen, they want to hear the people I'm interviewing or talking with. These in-person ones for this episode and the one next week, I feel like I talk a little bit too much. Part of it was being in Sean's apartment. We recorded two podcasts. One was for this Synchronicity episode and the other is for his podcast, very ape podcast. That one is live right now. You can check it out as soon as you're done with this one or you can check it out before if you want. This is the first part of the conversation. This is the second part of the conversation.

Part of it felt like we were just recording his podcast. So I kind of felt like I was, you know, encouraged to talk a little bit more. So I talk a lot. I apologize if you're not here to hear me and you hear about Sean and the guests. Okay. The Synchronicity community, the email community. I mentioned something in this week's email specifically related to this episode. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you can join the Synchronicity community. This gets you into the book club giveaways. I give away a book every month or so. Haven't done one of those in a while. Gonna do one next week. There you go. How about that? You join the email community. I send you updates on the show, some extra special information sometimes related to guests. But one of the things I pointed out in this week's email is that Sean brings up something in this episode that I think is I've thought about quite a bit and I think is relatively important. And he says, you know what? I think I could give up everything and just go become a monk and a monastery. And I said to him, I was like, you know, I think you could. I think not everyone could do that. But I think you could. The question is, is that the thing you're supposed to be doing? Is that the reason that you're here doing the things you're doing now? Is it to give it all up and become a monk?

And that's not a pointed question. Really. The answer is think about it and decide what you want to do. I know in my life and a lot of other people's lives who've taken psychedelics, had transcendental experiences, there comes a point in time where you're like, all right, fuck society. I think I need to go live in a cave or a monastery and just so you can meditate for the Benti benefit of all sentient beings. Bent of it. That's not a word. But the question is, is that the right thing to do? So we discussed that. I think I gained some more clarity and speaking with Sean about that particular issue. And it's one that I think is relatively important because when we hear things like in Buddhism about being nonattached, I think that's a little tricky concept sometimes that doesn't mean to detach and pretend that the world isn't there. It means don't be so gripped by the trials and tribulations and oscillations in the world, not necessarily pushed them away. Not saying people shouldn't be monks shouldn't have their own perspectives on how to deal with their life in the world. But I do tend to think that people who are born in the West for the most part, this is we were here for a reason. Let's try to figure out what that is. So anything else I have to say, I don't think so. I'm kind of itching to get to this episode. It's a longer one. Again, I apologize for talking so much. We may have partaken in the devil's weed. You may hear that Sean has this crazy hands free setup that feels like you're in the cockpit of a plane with the microphones. I really had an excellent time. We're going to be doing more of these some special guests coming up in the next few weeks. Some really fucking cool people. I know you guys are going to joy. I just I use the curse word. I use the naughty word. That's how confident I am. You're going to enjoy this episode and episodes coming up. Again, if you want to hear the second part of this conversation, go check out Sean's podcast. Very ape on mine pod network.com. We know about mine pod network now, right?

There is a new practical guide to mindfulness coming out. I know I've said this a lot. It is really coming out. We're getting all our ducks in a row. It's happening. Also, I want to say a quick thanks. I've been reaching out to people who completed my creativity survey and doing a project and a course on creativity and a lot of people reached out are completed a survey, almost 200 people. And I've been doing these one to one interviews trying to find out more about what you guys want and what would actually be useful for you in a course on creativity. And I'm honing in on what it's going to be. And that's specifically because of the help that you guys have given me. So seriously, thank you so much for that. I'm just going to get to it, right? Let's get to the episode. No more yammering for me without further ado. Here is Sean, done. I always err on the side of low. Okay. Yes. Cause you can always make something louder. Yeah. You can't make something less. Yeah. Well, you can actually believe it or not. You can. You can. Yeah. You can take like an over modulation.

I mean, basically think of it like this. Anything that you had like in a big studio 20 years ago is now easily in a computer. So the things that were really expensive, like 10 years ago, which is like de-clipping things like that. I have those in software now. So it's like, why does anyone go to the big studio? One other thing. So in that thing, that Ableton thing I was showing you, there's this thing where you can take an audio file and go convert to MIDI, which is turning audio, a waveform into notes or velocity or whatever. So you can basically, let's say we heard like, you know, Rick James, super freak, we could then make that in one fucking click automatically mapped to a new drum track or take the melody and harmony from it and map it to notes in a separate MIDI track. Then on that MIDI track, you can put any instrument you want in there and it'll play it in that instrument.

That's like, no one spoke about it. I mean, I was at a school where they were talking about these things, but like, I feel like that was like a hugely under reported thing advanced in technology because that used to be like a lot of hard work. Like if you heard Rick James, super freak, you would have to figure out what key is it in, take a piano or guitar, figure it out, then recreate, okay, where are the notes, write them in and then you're like, okay, is this right? Is this close enough? It's just, have you heard Frank Ocean's new album? No, I haven't heard it, but I like the first one. Is it good? I never got into him before. Whatever his last critically acclaimed thing was, I gave a couple spins and I was like, maybe this just isn't for me. This new thing, blonde, holy shit, that's a sacred album. I don't say that about many records, but that's in there. Yeah, if it is. So here's a great, great, oh, is that a Oxford anything? Yeah, yeah, it's an Alex great chalice. So that's exactly what it is. Yeah, I mean, the sacred question with music, I wonder, or anything, because I feel like when you're in the mindset of things are sacred, it's easier to see the sacredness in things. I'm not even kidding. I know, I know you're not. That's why it's awesome. But that's what I'm saying, like, exactly. So I want, I think what it points to, I think, is that everything is obviously sacred. But when we're open or receptive to it and our filters are down, we can recognize it as the case. But I also wonder when I say that, like, you know, like, what if I put on like a shitty EDM record?

Yeah. I mean, I could get like the energy of it in some ways, but it's just like, it's derivative. It's shitty. You know what I mean? So I wonder where that fits in. And I know it obviously fits into the sacredness, but it's not my preferred secret. I was wondering the same thing this weekend, but I was like, you know, could I listen to bad music right now and really get it? Because what happens to me when I'm on this stuff is like, I become the song, I become the idea for the song, I get it. I don't play any instruments. So that's a very special thing for me. It helps me understand the Grateful Dead for the first time a few months. Totally. Never. I just didn't get it. I couldn't hear it. It was the record Live Dead from 1969. The first song is Black Star and it's like a half hour version.

Yeah. So we threw that on basically after we took a massive dose of LSD. That's the best way I do it. Yo, I just, I couldn't even tell you anything about these songs or this record besides like, I get it. I just, I got it. I got it. And I'm way, I'm way down. And basically I feel like new pathways were opened because not only did I appreciate the Grateful Dead and really get what they're all about and what they're doing, but now I'm like listening to jazz all the time. I don't know. And I don't know if the two, you could view no better than me are grateful. Well, there's improvisation. I mean, one of the greatest gifts of jazz was there was no set determining thing guiding. I mean, there was some structure, some structure.

There's the bass and a drum usually hitting out a repetitive rhythm, you know, for basses, but like, you know, whether it's Charlie Parker on the saxophone or Tholognes Monk, like they're improvising. So that definitely is like, there's huge influences in that in the Grateful Dead because they would improvise for hours at a time. Like just, you know, they're the same songs, but they're not. It's the same reason that I think I started like electronic music is there was all these remixes. Yeah. Of the same thing or an old song remix for you. So you were like into the Grateful Dead early? No, so I wasn't. I wasn't. You know what got me into the Grateful Dead? The show freaks and geeks. Really? Yeah, freaks and geeks. There's an episode where Lindsey, the main character smokes weed for the first time and she puts on a copy of American Dream and they play American Beauty. Right. Yeah. So you see how big of a Grateful Dead fan. But so she puts it on and the first song that plays is Box of Rain. And I've heard Grateful Dead songs. I heard Sublime's, you know, Scarlet Bugoni's like, I've heard songs. Yeah. But for some reason, like, you know, they're showing her smoking weed for the first time getting into it. I'm like, Oh, shit, that song's really good. So I got the album American Beauty and listening to it. I was like, Oh, shit, like this is really, really good. I'm not a huge Grateful Dead fan. I don't listen to a lot of Grateful Dead. I'm not like not a huge Grateful Dead fan. I just jam bands in particular or not something that I ever gravitated to. But what about EDM, isn't it? Like, are you saying this? Oh, I mean, so EDM, I mean, EDM is also a moniker and an acronym that basically got co-opted, you know, it's like I'm trying to think of like another analogy, but I can't.

But it basically got like taken over. EDM used to just mean like in the 90s, electronic dance music. Yeah. There was no other wave describing what it was. And it wasn't what you hear now and refer to as like a genre unto itself, which is weird. What I liked about electronic music is that they were typically these two to three hour mixes where people would fuse songs together. And they were just like outrageous sounds and arrangements that humans couldn't recreate in physical reality, although there are elements taken from real instrumentation that just was like incredible. Like I was like, this is this endless opportunity.

And so then I started getting into making that type of music and just realized it's an infinite game. Like music is the coolest fucking thing ever. There's always more music being created. You will never be able to listen to all of it. Yet there's so much good stuff. Like you could spend every second of every day for the rest of your life finding songs you loved and not run out. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, I know. It's a beautiful thing. I thought about that the other day. I was like, I think I'd be cool with never hearing a song that I've already heard ever again. Like because that's how open the pathways feel right now. Like it's like let's I don't know. I've now turned it over to the algorithms and I let Spotify discover so good. I don't know. And I'm like, first of all, how did I not find half these songs because I've been a crazy nerd my whole life. Right. Right.

You know, but then it just is to what you're saying. There's just so much stuff out there. So many tapped in motherfuckers from all angles like doing this stuff. It's it's my favorite favorite artistic medium. I mean, I don't I mean, it's obviously something that pulls really deeply and one of my favorite books is um, uh, how's right any icons, the mysticism of sound and music 100% get it 100% read it. It's fucking awesome. What is it? It's essentially he's a Sufi mystic. So Sufism is a branch of Islam, which I know essentially nothing about Islam. I really don't know a lot. I know it's an Abrahamic religion. I know that it's stigmatized and I know there's probably some really good stuff. I'm like other Abrahamic religions, some not good stuff. Um, but Sufism is the mystic side of it. And these are people who, you know, are delving into the more like Bob Marley aspects of, you know, the religion and philosophy. So how's right in and out Khan was an incredible, believe he was a sitar player. Um, I could be wrong, but he he played, no, it was another instrument. I forget the name of it. It's some special thing. I forget the name of it though. Um, but he was like one of the best, the best in the world. And he basically gave it up and never played again. And he only would teach orally, um, basically certain things about Sufism and his basic theory, I mean, there's so much of it, but his basic theory is that sound is the basis of everything. And what he talks about explicitly in this book that was written really long time ago, he talks about, if you keep drilling down, he talks about scientists.

This is, I don't want to say really long time ago, probably like 50, 60 years ago, before quantum physics was really popular. He's like, if you keep drilling down, scientists will eventually discover that everything is just vibrating matter. And that's string theory. That's what quantum, that's what quantum physics says. If you just keep drilling down, it's not actually there. It's empty space and these little vibrating strengths, one of the popular quantum theorists. So he essentially says that this is also backed up by every world, major religion and philosophy. If you look like the word first, there was the word, the word is God. So the sound is the first thing. If you look, uh, in, and Vedic, um, that's the primordial sound that you tap into. It's the first thing he's like, he gives all these examples. Like so it's important to understand the nature of what sound is. And he essentially says that it's the essence and manifestation of the divine. And it's the first and primordial, basically physical basis for everything. So which I think why it makes sense to people like music. Well, and also the urge to make it. And the, well, I mean, yeah, yeah, there are some, and this is something that I think is really important too. Like everyone can make music. Like it is not. Some people may have certain karmic dispositions or certain inborn talents that make them predisposed to being quickly adept at making, playing an instrument playing an instrument. Like I was one of these people with saxophone, but I'll tell you the truth of it is even if you're one of those people, there is literally no correlation between that and being able to like make beautiful music. Because what happened to me is like, I was, I was really good at saxophone when I was young, eight to like 14. It's like the best, wherever I went, I was the best. I picked it up faster. I knew how to do everything, but I didn't practice that much. And my teacher would yell at me. And I had these awkward conversations where like my mom's paying this guy to teach me every week. And he's like, you know, fucking, what's the matter with you? Robbie Robertson, that was his name.

Robbie Robinson was the name of Robertson. No, Robbie Robinson. He, but basically, I was really good, but I didn't practice. People started getting better than me. It started. People that weren't as naturally talented. People that didn't have like a natural ability started getting a lot better than me, because I stopped caring specifically about that. And eventually, you know, I sold my saxophone, which I regret that decision every day now. You sold your saxophone, but an N64 or some shit. No, I mean, I sold my saxophone like eight years ago. It was a Selmer Mark six. I think I sold it for like three, three, four thousand hours. It's probably worth like 10, 11,000 hours. Really? I didn't even know you could have a saxophone that expensive. Well, here's the truth about that saxophone.

It was a good saxophone. It wasn't a great saxophone. And it has nothing to do with price. It was just, it didn't play. I had played really great saxophone sport and I didn't play like one. So I knew it wasn't like the best of the best, but this dude, this doctor from Columbia came down and bought it. And he was really happy. But got off. Oh, yeah, the talent thing. So my point is, what the talent thing is, everyone can learn how to play amazing music. And I think what is really the prerequisite for making like beautiful, incredible music, regardless of talent, is a connection to that divine element that music actually is. And if you can, you like, you've already mastered that truth. But now could I learn an instrument?

Easily, like super easily. Yeah, yeah, not even a question. Like what I would recommend, the two instruments I would recommend starting with. And I'd probably start with keyboard. That's what I want to do. Well, then you're already on the right track, because what I would do is get a MIDI controller. 50 bucks to 200 bucks. You can get one with weighted keys or not and teach yourself, you know, like, you can, I mean, I could teach you basic stuff, but like, you can look online, like how to make a chord, you know, you don't even need to know music theory. You could take some acid or take some mushrooms, that's what I'm saying, play with the piano. You'll want some framework to probably bridge the gap, but you could also just record it and just say like, Hey, I'm new, John Cage. This is my new piece. It's called acid and joy. So, but yeah, man, anyone can learn. Most people can tap out a rhythm pretty intuitively. You can learn drums like there's everyone has what that I feel like I'm really good at that. I feel like, in this is what happened, man, in fourth grade, they were assigning instruments to people. And I wanted to play drums, really. Yeah. And I got trombone. And you got to sign an instrument? Yeah.

Yeah. Isn't that weird? Because I mean, honestly, it sent me on a track where I'm not I'm not musically inclined at all, but I wore an instrument for a little kid to work. Yeah. And I was small, and it was big, and I had asthma. So it required like impossible. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It was crazy. I got fucked up. So off track and by eighth grade, I was like, I don't want to be in band anymore. And I quit the band, you know, whatever. And I never got into music. But now at this age, and doing the exploration, I'm doing, I hear music and I want to compose it. You know what I mean? I want to get it out of me, you know? And that's a that's a that must be the greatest itch in the world to scratch. Yes. But it also drives people insane. I mean, but it does like Jimi Hendrix, famously, I forget the exact quote, but he was like, you know, like, it tortures me the stuff I can't get out. Really? So what do you mean, he would hear it? He could hear like that? Or like, I'm sure like, most people, whether a musician or not, sometimes you go to sleep and you hear the best song ever. That's me. No other song. But you know, and you're making it in your head, and you're following, you're like, Oh, shit, this is the best song ever. Okay, that's bad enough.

Now, imagine if you actually had the technical capacity to recreate that, like, I could do that, right? Yeah. But then you wake you up, get in the morning, I'll get in the morning, you can't write down some little notes, some little voice note, you can leave it doesn't job, I have so many voice notes complex completed thing you hear it. Yeah, that's crazy. But the good news is is now more than ever, the thing that I was talking about, where you can transpose a clip of music and make it into melody and drums. Now the distance, this is why people with very little technical proficiency can become like pop stars. There's a whole other facet of that that goes involved, but like, you can make music with very little knowledge of music. Like everyone, I mean, like, like, okay, here, I'm gonna talk some shit. Can I talk some shit? Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.

Okay, I'm gonna talk some shit. I feel bad and I don't have any, I never met these guys. I have nothing personally against them. They're about to, they're nominated for three Grammys. Okay, this is blowing my mind. It changed smokers. That's right. Yeah. Okay. I never heard them. So I knew these, they ran in a, I, when I first moved to New York, I was out at like, the big clubs, like the famous, you know, like where the athletes are going and shit. And it was not my scene. I was there because like I knew people who get me in for free and we could drink for free and it was like one of those situations. Dude, we're smoking blunts in the club, rap music, blast it, like, do you have no idea? I know, I know. I was there though. And like, often, and like, you know, it wasn't my scene. So I was definitely like kind of an outsider, but like, I got to, what honestly kept me coming back, Sean, is that I got to smoke blunts in a fucking club.

I know, that's pretty dope. It's like, it's chill. It's, it was amazing. Like, and like, right up by the booth, like mean tape. It was fucking awesome. Okay. So there was a sim, these guys were up and coming DJs. There's a lot of these DJ kind of collectives, especially in and around the city that, you know, oh, there's, you need a night here. And I was, I actually knew one of the guys and like, I got gigs through that DJ thing. I was just kind of learning the ropes and they put me in some place and like, I had no right to be there and like, you know, I'd play like kind of what I wanted, but kind of what I thought they want. But yeah, I mean, so it was, it was cool. And I'm very appreciative that I got that opportunity.

But there were other DJs who were technically decent, had, you know, some level of skills, but we're playing what I would say is like, you know, like music I wouldn't want to hear out or at my home. Like really top 40 remix EDM type stuff mixed with a little hip hop, not bad and enjoyable just to be clear. Like it wasn't like they were shitty and like train wrecking, you know, transitions together. It was just like stuff that like, this is like the easy button, you're hitting the easy button, you know what I mean? You're hitting the buttons here that make this something that you, yes, people are going to enjoy it. But it's not really like, you're not advancing anything and you're clearly not trying to like push. Anyway. And that's a, that's a judgment call and that's subjective. Okay. But these guys were there and they were just like all the other people. And most of the DJs in this particular collective, like you had to be like, kind of good looking. It was like a marketing thing. Like you didn't have to sign a contract or anything, but they knew like, put up again, looking very good. So these people, and they were just playing other people's stuff. And, you know, at some point, I think they signed with some marketing agency. And since this is like probably like four or five years ago, since that time, I've watched them go from like really like, and I don't feel bad saying this, but you do not have what I refer to as a lot of talent. Like it was just like really like these are people I'm like, you're not, this isn't a craft for you. This isn't a skill for you. You know, you care about this because you're getting like pussy and you're up on stage and you get to drink and you're called the fucking chain smokers. Right. So, okay. So I've watched them rise through the billboard charts and I listen to the music and I'm, I hope people who are listening understand this. I, I really give all music a fair opportunity, even if not the first time, like I, I recognize that I didn't, and I'll go back and that's how I find really eclectic and diverse forms of music. It's like, the only way. I think it's a real skill and it goes back to the house, right, any outcome thing.

That's how you discover things in life too. You have to be open-minded. So I give this shit a fair shake. I, I watched their performance. I forget where it was. It was like something on the VMA and it's not like I stalked these people. It's, this is like a random thing. They're very popular. So like they will come across, you know about them. Right. I don't even know their songs, but I've heard of them. I'll be able to name it on your vague descriptions. Right, which is nuts. Yeah. Right. Okay. So I've watched them just like, and now they're nominated for Grammys and I swear to God, man, like it blows my fucking mind. Yeah. And I don't consider myself any particular rare talent. Like I'm some amazing like effects twin type of person, but I do know like what function music can serve and serves in my life. Yeah. And it, it just, it's kind of like the equivalent of like Donald Trump being president. Yeah. Yeah. Like the Chainsmokers being nominated for Grammys. Like I have to tell you like, yeah, that's Donald Trump being like, he's in the election.

If they win. Yeah. I don't know. Man like this. Well, but, but now I mean, and to bring it back to my boy, Frank Ocean, I love this guy all of a sudden. Now I'm reading, he didn't even submit his album to the Grammys because he doesn't think it's a great representation of what's going on in Black culture and music. And now people like Kanye aren't showing up, even though they submitted and are nominated, they're not showing up kind of out in solidarity. It sucks. Can we be honest? No, man. I mean, they miss it every time. They miss it every time. It's just like the Grammys turned into, I don't know when, but it turned into just like, I don't know, man, like, I hate thinking that we're just getting older and out of touch with things. I just listened to music that came out in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. I start to get hard pressed to find stuff. There is tons of music. And I just be clear, like, I probably listened to thousands of hours of music from the 2000s that I love. I'm not saying there's no good music, but I'm saying the stuff that rises the charts publicly and popularly, it really went off the rails. And just to be clear, I love a lot of Justin Bieber songs. Justin Bieber gets some heavy hitters. Katy Perry gets some heavy hitters. Those are great fucking songs. But there's also shit up there that I hear on the radio, like when I'm driving my car now, I'm like, how did we get here? Like, how is this what is, and it's, I think, you know, it's...

How did we get there? I mean, because it probably coincides with like, with Napster or something like that, because it did have... I think it's a technology driven thing? Maybe. It could have been Limp Biskit. I disagree. I don't think so. Because Limp Biskit had some jams, no matter what people want to say. Or like stuff! No, it's bad. Don't get me wrong. But they... You can make an argument that the people who are producing Limp Biskit, like, knew how to make a sound appeal to a certain people. Like, Limp, you're right. Limp Biskit might have been the start of this, but I mean, what you're alluding to is marketing co-opted, an art medium, the most popular form of it, and the biggest country for outputting this stuff to the world, and that set up a model and a paradigm that continues, and this is kind of how we got Trump. This is the logical conclusion of this stuff, and to me what this means is I'm subscribing to the E-Ching theory here, and hopefully it flips soon, but when you get to the maximum of one thing, it flips to the other thing. And I'm hoping that Donald Trump is the maximum that the Patriots winning the Super Bowl is the maximum. The chain smokers. The chain smokers are the maximum. I'm sure there's the factory farming. The unsustainable ecological things are doing is the maximum, and that this will flip and isn't just the beginning, or the middle of a death spiral. Yeah, peak capitalism. Peak capitalism where, just, you know, God, man, I mean, where are we all? How much further could it even go? I mean, like so much further, right?

Yeah. We were talking about black mirror. Yeah, that's true. I saw, do you have you seen the one black mirror that's not depressing yet? The one where the lesbian couple, yeah, totally. That's the best one. I just saw that last night. Yeah. So I could sleep. I was so, I was like, this is the nicest thing anyone has done for me in my life, but they decided not to scare the shit out of me before bed. Yeah. That's such a good one. Yeah, it is. It's, it's, it's, and like Alexis was asking me today, or she was driving a train, or we were driving to the train. Um, you know, would you do that? And I was like, listen, they said you could leave if you wanted to. Yeah. And like, yeah, granted we're in those weird machines and everything. But like, if you have an option of leaving at any point, I probably maybe I'll give it a shot. Yeah. I'm not so confident in every other thing that could potentially happen. Who knows? So, um, that was a really good one. Yeah. What do you think's going to happen when you die? Um, truthfully, well, I think I do believe what's going to happen is very similar to what Tibetan Buddhists describe. That's how I feel too. Very much so. Um, and I do think that I have done that before. Um, whatever that means. And Buddhist might say there's no eye. So you're just talking cock up. But, um, I do think that that is essentially a similar thing, which is you have certain opportunities to recognize your true nature. And if you do, you have an opportunity to potentially leave the samsaric or illusory world realms of existence.

And never come back into birth. We could go to a Buddha world. You could merge with whatever. Or you could just dissolve. You could, or you could, which some people do, choose to recognize your Buddha nature and say, you know what, I don't go back in there because not everyone's here yet. So you got to go back in, say, what's up to everyone and be like, Hey, maybe you guys, you know, I have to do this. And then do that and dedicate. That's the Bodhisattva. That's the vow that you take that you will stave off your own enlightenment or detachment from an illusory world until everyone gets on the boat with you and then go over or you go back and ferry people across essentially. So that, I mean, and so essentially to get a little more specific, I don't know if this is what this is what it's about Buddhist say. But you have these opportunities and the Tibetan Book of Dead, if you've ever tried to read it. It's not as easy as people like to pretend, let's go. Yeah, it's really is the crazy shit in the world. Yeah. It's just, I have mad respect for people like you and Duncan and like who can like sit down and like, I only read probably the first 150 pages and it's a big fucking thing. But I mean, what you're reading for people who have not cracked it is these very, very detailed, I mean, and I think they're used for visualization practices and meditation. So that's why they're so detailed and they're actually wanting to give a verifiable, you know, report of what's happening.

But it's like, you go through this channel, this like breath channel and you get to the Northgate and there on the Northgate is the blue headed king with the sword and the dagger and this hand and over there, there's a throat and his consort is with him and they all have names, like really complicated Tibetan names. And then that's the Northgate. And then there's the sub Northgate and it's this color and then there's the Eastgate, the Southgate, the Westgate and they're all like this. And like, it's just so many pages of that. So I don't know, essentially, this is what I think happens though, when you die. And I don't know, I really have no fun. I really have to be very clear about that. But this is what I do. This is what I'm believing right now. You essentially have opportunities to recognize your true nature and how that's presented is not just like, hey, do you recognize your true nature? You have to, I believe, deal with the karmic implications of this most recent life, kind of review what people talk about the life and review thing, see and feel and experience, not dissimilar. I've never taken ayahuasca, but from what a lot of people seem to describe, they have to process certain kind of themes or things in their life that they maybe didn't realize how uncompassionate they have been in their lives or how anger has hurt so many people. So those types of things, I think you process you kind of a, and this is, this is instant. So the Buddhist, I believe say it's 49 days, something like that.

So before you actually leave, and you know, just make this transition. So it's quite a lengthy process. And God knows what it feels like time. I believe the boundary of time pretty much just dissolves almost completely. So then you also go through this eventual period where you can recognize it there. If you go through that, you eventually face what are known as, I think, the 10,000 wrathful and peaceful deities. And these are manifestations. So if you were, I think the way it works, and this is, this is just me speculating, if you grew up in a Native American tribe, you wouldn't see Tibetan 10,000 demons. You would see some psychic manifestation of these things in your culturally appropriate, so you could process what's going on. Using your hard drive with your metaphors. Basically, and you would see these things, and that's supposed to be like the worst thing. It's like a nightmare of dreams where you're just like, and what they're, they're not supposed to be terrifying in a bad way. They're supposed to be terrifying in a way that wakes you up. Yeah.

So snaps you out. That sounded like ayahuasca from what I've heard. All right. So it snaps you out of your delusion. It's not so like, I'm an asshole. I'm going to kill you. But even though it probably feels like that, and then there's peaceful ones, that's another opportunity to potentially, and I'm butchering this whole timeline here, that's another opportunity to recognize your true nature. I think eventually you have this last opportunity where it's called the clear light of awareness, and this is this white light that a lot of people talk about. And this apparently is very hard to look at and stay conscious. And so most people black out. And so then I think once you black out, you have like, this is your, you're about to be born again, you're going into the part of becoming.

And so then I think there are realms that so there's these realms that exist and they're different color lights. And so they correspond to like the animal realm, the human realm, the demigod realm, the god realm, and the realm that represents humanity is blue. I don't know if that's because it's earth, but it's like this blue light. And so then you start to move towards this blue light because it's familiar and it's a habit, right? And you're doing it, you're not doing it with awareness, you're just doing it as a reaction, like we do everything here. So then you go towards this light. This is if you're getting reincarnated as human again, which apparently is chances of that just so everyone is clear is like very rare. I was going to ask you about that with all the beings and the whole universe. I think they describe it as like there's a ring, like a inner tube on the ocean, the whole ocean, and there's a turtle, and the turtle comes up every like 10,000 years and the chances of becoming human is that it gets right in the middle of the ring and it lives in the whole ocean. So it's like basically like, yeah, it's like, it's not like the thing that it's very precious because you, there's the reasons for that. But so you go towards this blue light and you then, and this is assuming you're being human, you see your eventual parents having sex and you get attracted to that. I don't think it's like a sexual thing. Who knows? And you move towards that and then that eventually pulls you into the womb and then you were born, rinscent repeat.

Wow. Yeah, I think, well, you know, it's crazy. I was reading this, this psychedelic manual that has a whole bunch of essays in there and I think it's, is it Rick Strassman that wrote about? And it's the first time I ever heard this. How long a baby in the womb takes to develop the pineal gland? 49 days. Oh, is that right? Dude. Is that right? Yeah. Is that true? Yeah, dude. We just cast, well, maybe we'll talk about it on the other one, but Cass can read to us from that section. It was blowing my mind. Pineal gland. Yeah. It's very interesting. That's when that comes into it. That's when that grows and that's what's giving us a DMT that may be the key to consciousness.

I don't know. I think it is. I mean, I think that's what a lot of people, I mean, it makes sense because that's how the ayahuasca phenomenon in this, in the world is like, I've never seen a substance or a thing blow up like that because someone in my family, like a distant cousin or relative in France came to a family reunion we had, I think in like 2005 or something. And he was like the leading one of the leading researchers of ayahuasca in 2005. Something like that. Yeah, really long time ago. And like no one knew about this. And my mom went to Peru a couple times. But no one knew about this. She did. Yeah. And she met my eventual stepdad. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

She went to Peru a bunch and took it. Yeah. This is a long time ago. Yeah. So she wasn't scared. I don't know. I mean, she did it. She had a calling, right? The people who do it have a calling. I wait to hear if I have a calling. I have signs, but I'm not there yet. So I've seen it since then when I was like, what is this weird fucking thing? My mom is doing it like, I don't know. She's like, yeah, this guy knows all about this plane. He's in our family line. Oh, yeah, Fredrick. This is French. And just like how it's blossom to now, like, everyone knows about it at the very least. And they know it is a tool. And a lot of people have taken it. People are taking it. I heard someone told me someone took it in the Bronx. They knew someone took it. That's not good. Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, is that you? Did you tell me that?

No. Well, but I've read articles about people taking it at Williamsburg. I know that there's don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's I've heard a lot of people say that, but then I've heard other people be like, you don't have to go to the jungle. You don't know. There's there's places up in Hudson Valley. Yeah. Okay. That's yeah. Yeah. That's what I think the difference may be with the difference. Because I'm not big into like going down to the jungle. That's enough. That's enough right there without tripping my balls off for seven days straight. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to. You don't have to tell me. I mean, these must be like the consciousness barriers we're putting up for ourselves. Because like I. Yeah, I don't. I'm sorry. I don't.

I know we died. We probably see things way worse. I don't ever want to see like a seven inch cockroach. Yeah, I'm good. Now. And if I'm tripping on Iowa or anything, if I smoke weed and I saw a six if I there if I have a seven inch cockroach walked across your floor right now, we would stop for quite a billion. I'm not okay anymore. So I get it, man. I get it. That's one of the best things about this apartment. I've never we've never had a bug or a rodent or anything in here. And when we complain about the rent, we build that in. We're like, okay, say we're to move somewhere else. Yeah. You know, that's an expensive that's a thing you got to think about and deal with. And my God, there's mice is rats or whatever. Well, there's that there's mice in the Hudson Valley. Oh, fuck yeah. I saw a little mice. We left the sink, like not totally clean the other night.

And I saw I kept hearing the spoon rattle. Like that's the water on. Yeah, it's like gotta. And it was dark and like it was the perfect time for my mouse to come out. I saw it scurry away, but you know, so what do you what are you going to do? It's not no, no, no. Well, if I had a cat, my cat who lives in my mom's now Isis, unfortunately, named it the point, but a really great name my cap before. It is before. But she was the mouse assassin boss in. I moved into a place with her where there was a lot of mice two days. She killed like six mice. They never came back. Oh, wow. I think basically it's just like don't leave shit out that they can get. Yeah. And they don't come back. Like they haven't seen it since. I don't know how being a homeowner and protecting this man made thing from nature will square with my with my veganism and well, let me ask my sensitive little guy. I've actually covered this question before really the guest because I was reading a book by this Tibetan. He was like the Dalai Lama's teacher. and he was saying that he was like he was like a record recognize at a very young age to go like study at this famous monastery in Tibet.

This is before the Chinese came and they were like rolling up with this whole entourage like a little kid and these monks come out of this monastery running out like screaming stop, stop, stop, stop. And so like there was an ant trail and you got to go you got to wait for the ants. So like I asked this question because at where I was living in Maryland, there were ants like an ant infestation. They would come and they would fucking make little trails and you and like I was ant Hitler. I killed so many. Oh no. I mean and I felt bad every time. Hey, I'm gonna pay me on. That's when you die. You're gonna be black mirror ants. Yeah. So but so I asked the question in someone and I mean I think this is one of those things where ideally here's the question.

If you start making decisions and you do have to draw the line somewhere like you do it with like veganism and like you're just like no I can't fathom that. You know why you made that decision. Yeah. If you don't have that same kind of feeling when you're like you know what if I if I got infested by ants or spiders here would I kill them? Yeah. If you're like you know I'm gonna kill them. Then it's then you should do that because if you're doing it inauthentically, that shit will never work. It's a Maharaj quote that I really I think is good but it can be self-destructive if you let it get to that point which is like it's essentially the the paraphrasing is you're not done with something until you're done with it. Like you can't force the issue. So like if you doesn't feel like an authentic thing that you're really going to be able to do because listen if you start going down the road where you're not killing ants you probably you're well then you're damn close to moving into KPL. You're going to be um but you're probably not is my point. You know what I mean like good. It's funny because uh you know I was I was listening to um I barely ever listened to Joe Rogan's podcast but he had fucking Henry Rollins on.

I see I listened. I barely listened. This is why Joe Rogan's so popular. I barely listened but I listened to Alex Jones one. Oh yeah I made it 10 minutes into that. I watched all the thing. Fuck that. Fuck that. But um Henry Rollins goes on there and he's going a million miles a minute in life like seriously since he was a kid and I'm like like and he's not going to stop. He's just got this certain energy to him and you know there's this human instinct to kind of like compare and be like oh god I feel like a fucking piece of shit but I'm like it ain't my trip. If anything my trip's the opposite. I feel like I'd be happy as if I was a monk. If I'd if I could just meditate. I think so.

Yeah kind of. I don't disagree. It's easy for me to say five days after I took a really heavy dose. That's why I was going to ask. That's what I was eventually going to get to but I won't even break it down like that because I think you can get there without having taking any psychedelics from meditating enough if you're feeling that in tune with what's going on. The question is is is that your best place to serve? No people. No that's the question because if it's not that and listen there are people like I think his name is Nick Nick Vreeland. He was like the son of a very famous fashion icon. I think she wrote for my wife knows about her but he was like a really high fashion like into the scene New York elite and he was he's not Tibetan recognized one of the first Western llamas. I think he was the first Western llama appointed head of a monastery in Tibet or not in Tibet. It's an Indian dump. Somewhere around there. I fucked that up but it's somewhere around there. My point is is like you that is an option. He just goes around. He's very simple. He still has a camera. He takes pictures because he was an amazing photographer. His documentary on Netflix is called A Monk and a Camera. Really good. Check it out. My point is with the you know disassociate and becoming a monk. That is one way to go about it. The chances of being born in this country with the privilege we have is nothing wrong with doing that but I think it's probably for a reason and this also goes back to I do think we choose sitting carning like I think this is kind of like a decision.

I was going to ask you that when we got on my podcast. Do you think Eli chose you guys? Yeah I do. I definitely do or we chose him and it's like a symbiotic thing because I'll tell you this. This is the fucking truth. I don't know what we would do if we got like a fussy kid or like an unruly kid. He's the best kid I've ever seen. I didn't know like and I'm sure every parent kind of feels like this but I'm telling you he's the most easygoing happiest. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen and like we're just like like thinking our lucky stars because we're like like this kid was like you know some babies have collock where they know and it's not like the parents fault it's nothing. No no no why would it be the parents fault it's nothing to do that it's just the way it is it's the only the parents fault in the sense that it's probably your karma to have to deal with that but like yo absolutely I just want to burn off all the good karma I have because I do think that that is is something that is chosen. Now I think it's more along the lines of an unconscious decision yeah then like how we think about like yeah I want some ice cream or I want to go on the internet like it's not it's not that it's it's some urge and the principle of karma at play and I think it's possible to to break that but well I mean and I've definitely I've woken up to it and it's only been and it's honestly since I started discovering since I discovered meditation and psychedelics and really kind of waking up to who I am it's not to say I wasn't that person all along I was just doing it more unconsciously and now you know I joke about being a monk or whatever but I know based on how my heart feels and how good I feel and then I met a person like Cass who's my girlfriend and producer that I guess my purpose really is to to go out there and make these films and you know I can say right now it is right now it is right right now you don't have to lock yourself in any fucking frame yeah that's for sure yeah it very much feels like that's the way I best serve the world especially right now when a guy like Trump gets in there I feel extremely focused and I'm like oh I have I have purpose because what I do is try I feel like and I can sit and can say this because it hasn't always been this way I'm seeing the world in a really interesting loving inspiring way I'm just I'm I'm devastated with awe and gratitude every day and I think picking up the camera every now and then and bringing people into that world and I'm surrounded with really talented people that can take that vision and make it happen with with light that's all these things are it's just images that it's just light right and and spread consciousness that way it feels like it feels very important yeah for the first time you know like very much so for the first time for me I'm like okay this is my purposes what I was put here to do right now maybe not always the case hello synchronicity listener why am I interjecting in the middle of an episode so rudely what Sean's talking about cool stuff I'm talking why am I interrupting I wanted to let you know about the synchronicity facebook group it is growing in size we're very close to 800 people as you're listening to this if it's in February 2017 if it's in the future we're probably over like three million people by now if you're anytime in the future I'm very confident on that you want to join we're talking about cool stuff there are some of the smartest most engaged insightful people I've met on the internet or in real life in this community if you want to join go to synchpodcast.com and you will see in the menu on your phone on your computer people still use those right you will see a link in the menu called facebook group click that has to be approved I will approve you that's it again there's really fun stuff going on in there the reason I'm touting this community is I have been blown away with how it's evolved just in the past two three months since I started it um get involved say hello have a good time I'm pretty active there so are a lot of other people um this is kind of the bridge to some of these real world events that we're going to be doing I mentioned in the intro March 18th mine pod network live event in Los Angeles that's all I got to say that's it all right there'll be more information shoot me an email at know@synchpodcast.com if you want to chat that's it back to the episode well I would I would probably say it has always been the case but you probably have an awareness of it now that probably will give it another element to it which I think is important I think aligning your purpose and what you're doing yeah knowing about it like ultimate it gets harder to make do shittier stuff yeah and shittier again like these are all subjective and objective terms I think if you're doing the thing that is authentic to you regard them like you know this better than anyone like commercial success does not define anything it doesn't have it defines it in the paradigm of context that people can understand who consume things yeah but like the worth of something like that's why I think we quickly became very good friends and Michael recognized Michael Donovan recognized to connect us because he saw a similar vein and what we were trying to do even though yeah really nothing like overtly on the top related except yeah we both liked my weed just good it's really good um it does work um so I do think that that's incredibly important and I agree I mean I I think you could go to a monastery I think I think I don't know what would happen I don't know I think about myself in a monastery and there have been times in my life where I've just been so tuned in to the point where like you know it was just like one step away just dropping everything identity just everything really one step away um but then you know inevitably I think if you really pay attention to the signs around you and you know try to really separate what you've set up for yourself just in terms of wants and needs and you know what you think you want and what has actually been manifested around you it'll point you in the right direction and I think that's what's the great thing about this awareness stuff is is it gives you the perspective and wisdom to see what's going on and be able to make like a pretty clear-headed decision so yes you have the opportunity to do whatever you want could be a monk could be anything um but yeah I think you recognize yeah kind of what's going on well and and honestly um Michael and you guys like encouraging me to do a podcast is really it's really helped kind of uh sharpen everything and and provide me another little something to push off of to realize what the documentaries even are because you know I think I don't know I don't know I think just podcasting such a different medium I feel like when I put these out they're just like in the river of history in there it goes and the films are but the films could be revisited 20 years from now in a really significant way whereas I don't know if anyone's gonna listen to this conversation 20 years from now podcasts are more there more I do believe they're probably more transient and ephemeral like they're not going to be something that like a movie like you're saying along for media that said who the fuck knows yeah who knows who really knows like I have to think about this sometimes you know like is you like going to stumble upon synchronicity probably like I mean like archives somewhere I mean so yeah I mean so I do think that they probably to know the context of these conversations is somewhat important but I just think like you like you said with podcasting stuff is like the dynamic interplay between two or more people having a conversation moving just one person yeah it's just a monologue that is especially in real time so if it's you know weekly close enough that is a new form of communication and it can be so like hyper localized and community-based or you know 30, 50,000 100,000 people are listening millions of people when you get up there listening to this live or pretty close to live yeah that's that's fucking nuts no one has come to terms with I mean that's no one has come to terms everyone is it's like the Trump stuff every day and I was sucked into I'm really happy to say and I it seems like based on my Twitter feed a lot of other people too it seems like we pulled out of the immediate gaping sucking chess wound of the Trump president I don't mean everything is like I spoke to a dude that the podcast I'm releasing this dude wrote the ethicist for the New York Times you know all dealing with ethical questions he's he disagreed with everything I said I was like listen this is an opportunity this is gonna be you know it's very bad it's gonna get bad but this is you know it's finally up on the surface now we can deal with it he was like no this is the worst he's like this is the worst thing ever it's only gonna get worse you're gonna see it's gonna be the worst thing ever you're basically making the I argument as it's the Reichstag fire this is just what happens before they totally take control and fuck over the country and I was like all right I respectfully disagree so like I mean you know I've what was the context I was talking about this with it was something that ship has sailed yeah well I mean it happens the Trump stuff oh no I remember okay so as the context of getting sucked into the vortex of this Trump stuff and I'm just now being able to pull out and not have to tune into it yeah so the power of being able to have conversations like these in the midst of where people from the majority I think who are following mainstream media and I don't say that like Alex Jones says it I'd say like you know people following major outlets who maybe have corporate backers who maybe have agendas I'm not saying that like conspiracy theory maybe they do maybe they don't I don't know maybe there's honest journalism it's not the point the point is is if we can provide some type of antidote or some other questioning or paradigm or format that's valuable now absolutely and the weird thing is and this is why I encourage everyone to either start or be on a podcast and that's easy enough to do um and I'm sure you know it's gonna be funny the kids aren't even like they're gonna be like why if I could call these podcasts it's just like something we do now with this app yeah yeah exactly dummies yeah what do you recall it's such novelty to us right what's us it's just like well the podcast this is what we do we're gonna call it this it's just conversations about stuff other people all right here's the right here's what I really think you can become enlightened by yourself you can totally do it and you can totally you can sit in a cave you can do it that's a tough one you can know you can do it you can do it chances are you're gonna fail like you can do it hundreds of thousands of human incarnations doing it alone is so much harder than having other people and other things to bounce ideas off of bounce fuck-ups off of bounce real world experience to get to the bottom of what's going on in the inside yeah so that's why I think you know again it goes back to the being a monk thing there's value in that praying for all beings at all times devotedly and compassion I think can do worlds of good somebody needs to be doing it totally holding the space for all of us absolutely I think it's possible to incorporate that mentality in the world now I think the householder the person in the world especially in the west where a lot of the seeds of these things you know kind of destructiveness we're seeing now in the world we're born um I think it's really important that we have people who can do both who can be at least a bridge between some of these more introspective detached not in the world things and people who are just like I'm in the world I'm here like I can't it's not practical if everyone became a monk overnight yeah it wouldn't be like that smooth transition into utopia that we would like to think it would be is like everything would stop working everything would be fuck people would die like millions and millions maybe billions of people would die like all air traffic controllers just like yeah that would be the downfall of dosing the masses well I mean one of them I mean I don't know what do you think about dosing the masses well I've heard a lot more people speaking more boldly smart people speaking more boldly about that literally people I really like well I have a guy a friend I really like named Nicholas Powers he was on my podcast yeah yeah he had a he he had a beautiful symposium the other night called using psychedelics to end racism and classism it's on it's on it's available on Facebook they livestreamed it so it's available somewhere on there but at the end like they were really making the case for like you know what it would be like and what it would do to to dose Donald Trump or the White House or whatever and it was very funny and I don't know I don't know how I don't know how I don't know how something like that would work I don't even know how if I agree with with something like that but the thought is is interesting because it's basically like saying like this dude needs to wake up you know and that's that's the greatest shortcut I've ever found acid would do it for them no I think it would freak them out right and the drug war would would get so much more ramped up right everyone would be taking LSD piss test they're like yo everyone who takes LSD is feeling like this yeah we got to start murdering people would go do tear do tear day you know the guy in um uh where is it fuck the country where he's just murdering people for drug people yeah the Philippines yeah yeah territory right he's insane how the fuck is how are we gonna at what what could happen to a guy like like Trump who is so um like what's gonna crack his consciousness what's gonna be the thing nothing he's so padded no he's locked in I mean I'm sure you've met people of all ages who have just like locked in to the thing like that's it anyone go back to your hometown the people that are you know you can you can find yeah very stubborn people who are just yeah just like pretty much locked in who like who kind of know there's other shit going on but are just like I'm at the point where if I'm gonna investigate that I gotta go do this this is like I'm good I'm gonna do that and I get that like way of thinking and I think we all do that in many different ways oh we build coffins of comfort you know like cool this layer um yeah like this yeah I mean so I get it I just I don't know man I don't know what I don't know what's gonna happen I have a kid so I don't know if that spurs optimism I was definitely optimistic I think before I had a kid and I also like I was saying where the guy who disagreed with me about this shit is you know I think this is an opportunity I use the description I use the cancer analogies which is if you had cancer you'd want to know you had cancer you know most people want to know because if it was treatable you'd want to come up with a plan to fucking treat cancer you wouldn't just want to be like oh like dead now so if it's non-terminal I mean let's just use that I don't think this is terminal I don't think Donald Trump is terminal we're baselineing here we're really getting down we know it might be terminal for the world we live in and the systems we live in as we know it as we know them and I don't mean that in some like radical apocalyptic future I just mean like um I we just bought a house I don't see how that system that we're in that that survives another 50 years it's impossible it doesn't make any fucking sense and everyone knows it everyone my age trying to buy a house is like yo this doesn't make any sense yeah this is like I don't think I'm saying sense it's not the values of the people coming up now so here's what I think happens since we have now an avatar of this destruction in Donald Trump this is a wonderful opportunity for the people who didn't get that this shit isn't kind of working out um they're like oh boy this isn't working out fuck my kids and their grandchildren are fucked I got a fucking fit so figured on their spazzin so many people and I've seen this like who the people who are convinced that every Donald Trump person is evil as fuck their racist and misogynistic you know listen I just trolling Patriots fans big time because they're everyone's friends I saw that was beautiful thank you it's my favorite thing to do in the world it really is I secretly secretly love Donald Trump because he has given me the perfect troll for Patriots it's the best thing in the best the only it's oh I can't even go into that that's my favorite thing in the world but but truthfully this is an opportunity for us now to like here's what I was talking to my friend she was looking to buy house and she was she's self-employed and her husband works at um first school and she was like like what did you encounter it was like and I basically told you I told you it was like couldn't afford this by ourselves are you kidding me like we can get a loan by ourselves like I'm self-employed it's no possible not possible but I think something is a really easy thing to implement we see the early stages of this and they're kind of not great is like how about we set up what they used to do back in the days where we set up essentially a crowd local community source thing where if we can find you know people who have the means and resources either moderately or minimally to help people cover the cost of getting a loan yeah um you know collectively and share the burden so people can buy houses and they know who's going into the community and people get to know like that shit's gonna emerge Douglas Rushkoff is doing a great job in his book throwing rocks at the Google bus of talking specifically how this economy we're in and the global economy and everything military industrial complex is just an extra-div model of wealth um and I would put up there with that and juxtapose that I do believe I haven't seen anything that disproves this that there's plenty of stuff to go around for the world plenty of food oh yeah plenty of water plenty of energy like yes we're way too dependent on fossil fuels if we want to keep doing that yeah my money is yeah money's it's fake yeah so especially fiat i have bitcoin trust me i know money's fake i trust me i know money's fake so um the point is is that if you if you point out that we're in this economy that's not built on actually providing value but it's basically built on speculative money making so if you start a company let's say we start a company we start a eco-friendly weed company that's going to change the world and we find some we know someone he goes oh i can get you some investors i can eat 50 million dollars to invest to grow your company like oh shit think what we could do 50 million dollars we get this out to billion people so this investor is like hey guess what i can get you another 200 million from these people and they're going to invest in your company and you can get this out to everyone like fuck yeah like now we compare ourselves the real salary member we believe in this shit we're doing it and we're getting paid eventually what happens is you've taken on so much capital to invest in your thing these are like these billion dollar companies these 10 billion dollar companies i really want to where it's happening with uber now after everyone deleted uber because they were valued at like billions of dollars maybe the biggest IPO ever so basically these people take on all this debt and wealth and it's not really it's not really but you have to pay it back so the value of the initial public offering the IPO is you got to pay all these people back through the IPO so they can cash out if they want there or get their dividends and just keep making money forever if the company's successful but it's no longer tied to what we wanted to do yeah which is helping the world through an ego-friendly weed business it's now something that is a cash is no value in the world and that's how most of these things work and that's the goal right and that's the goal well he basically breaks it down and says if you go back to the old days we're like with bazaars and like you know free marketplaces before currency before the crowd the king was like hey you need to have this coin over the realm and this is the only coin you can use and if you're caught using your coin we're gonna fucking kill you so i don't know they did exactly like that but i think so uh you know before fiat currency which that is people are just like yo you're a barber oh i i butcher cow so i'm a dairy person oh i make carpets do you want to figure out a system where we can trade our goods and services and oh maybe we have a local thing that says i owe you this much so like that got co-opted it basically is moved into the digital domain which dis attaches it from any system like he brings up this like a certain economist who is like listen you can do fiat currency if you attach it to like a public restoration project or something that really provides value for people because then it's a self-sustainable thing but when you detach it from that put it on the digital realm the same models you get the crash of 2008 for the housing thing which i don't really understand i didn't have any real debt i didn't have any real thing that i was any foot in the door where it fucking fucked me up i wasn't trying to buy a house now i'm seeing how it fucked me up though because when you go and try to buy a house now been yourself employed like i told you they are assuming that you will not make any money the next year they're saying you're moron basically you're dumb fucking lucky that you've been able to survive for however many years we do it because that's just about to come crashing out when the banks are saying that and this is what i've other people i've been talking to who are out in the world who are waiters and i heard this i forget who i heard this but you basically you hear sharpings like when they start pulling money out and they start getting cagey it's not just a reaction they know they're going to make more money from donald trump all these learnings yeah so yeah man i just think that eventually we're going to be forced to come up with systems like let me put it like this i was forced to get a lot more smart and compassionate and open-minded out of necessity because if i hadn't done that my life would have been a lot worse if that's basically what happened to me right that's what happens to a lot of people right i mean you get to the point it's selfish in that way almost you're like okay you know obviously i've tried other things i've tried other ways this is this is the only thing that's going to work for a guy like me i that's how i also was talking to the guy who disagreed with me i was like listen man the reason i'm starting to pull back on the trump stuff and i'm still tuned in i still know what's going on but i'm not obsessively doing it it's like i gotta control my own shit i got i got my own issues like that's first and foremost that's shit i actually have to deal with every day i can choose to deal with what's going on and like you know i'm not saying that anyone should not be engaged with political activism or anything like that it's just that you need to make sure that you're okay and in and not a selfish way it's the the same oxygen mask analogy you could put on your oxygen mask first so you can then be okay to put it on other people yeah you still have to put it on the other people which a lot of people have forgotten yeah but um i just think we're going to be forced to evolve quickly more quickly because people are seeing kind of like this could get really it already has it's bad it's bad yeah oh yeah it's it's worse than i would have expected and like to to your point about like our financial institutions trump just signed an executive order basically basically encouraging banks to give bad advice now because when you because when you say you can legally aren't you encouraging it at that point yeah do you regulate i mean the funny thing was yeah it is you anyone could say trump just signed an executive order and you could make anything up and people like believe it yeah i know i know he actually did that trump just signed an executive order that may just should be killed yeah yeah and he had to do it you know he had to do it he had to do it he had to do it people like no that's not okay i i can't keep us safe legally he can't even figure out he's such a dumbass with the biggest military in the world and he can't figure out how to keep us safely well he's not in charge right it's Steve Bannon yeah i know i mean i know that's like that's crazy too so we have to keep minding people i mean that's just i just say it because it's scary because like i hope people can like rattle his Donald Trump's cage enough that like he gets that he is being manipulated but the other thing is that a lot of people are conveniently forgetting like you know we and i didn't live here but like he took out a full page ad in the new york times i believe or forgot what paper it was um basically calling for the death penalty for these kids who were excused in the central park five they were innocent they were exonerated so like through DNA evidence like he was basically like yo killed these and they were kids man they were like kids so like he still stands by it and his dad apparently like you know there's a fine line between the cat i mean there's not that's a dream but a lot of people like to think there's a fine line between the casual racist who's just discriminatory and has certain views and people are like fuck you so and so like so there's not and i think that no because Trump's in there i mean it doesn't make a difference that this guy is a racist it's he's been proven to be a racist for decades and i mean i grew up in New York and i know about this guy you know what they're doing and this is what scares me and Alexis freaks out every time i'm venting it but i really do think this is what they're doing and this is not i don't think so much of conspiracy here he's poking the bear right now yeah the muslim ban is poking the bear he doesn't give a fuck who's in this country you know she's gonna happen he says it every day he's gonna happen it's gonna happen i'm warning you it's gonna happen he's just saying this so when it does happen either because they allowed it to happen or weren't as secure as they could have been them trying to prove a point or someone just is like yo fuck down Trump trying to blow some shit up uh he's gonna be like uh yeah i guess what now i was right so now the you people who didn't believe me some of them are gonna believe him and he's just gonna start going so crazy with the civil rights stuff um so crazy we're gonna start a war i think i think i think it'll be yeah because i think it'll be easier for him to be a president i think he'll learn from what george w bush thinks so it's easier to be a wartime president and do the do the types of things he wants to do it's also the endless jobs program of all time to send our our young men and women overseas to fight an endless war against a religion basically i don't know i mean i i i agree that that is a very plausible outcome like it it makes a lot of sense but who's he going to war with who are you going to war with right now where it doesn't escalate to the point where it's not like iran yeah iran's gonna be like yo guess what we got nukes guess what morons we have nukes like don trumps been saying like we're definitely developing plutonium like we got nukes you want us to blow up israel and then we'll be like uh no because then that's gonna so i don't i think the weird thing is like you think you'll keep his head out of all that stuff i'm really he's trying to cozy up to put in it by all accounts he's trying to establish himself as like part of the axis of evil like what you know famously was far too is the axis of evil was just some poor fucking people in shitty countries getting bombed all the time or an axis of evil now we won't let him in because we bombed him it's so fucked up but um no i mean like and again we're not political pundits we have no fucking idea but i do the the tea leaves to me would seem to point that like he's looking for opportunities to ab proven right yeah be like you so i never thought of like he's trying it is easier to be a wartime president it's way easier you can pretty much have a known enemy the problem is i don't think you have a country to go to war with you have this new gorilla terrorist warfare which it's not it's like vietnam it's like you don't win that war like you whoa we won the war we're pulling out great okay no you didn't win the fucking war you lost like you're winning any war ever again it's not a type of world anymore like what are you doing well for russia it's still kind of is yeah they're taking over you crane yeah they're just like real fashion way they're just like you know what we're gonna do this now and i mean i don't even know where i fall i don't can i let me tell you this i have i had let me tell you this i didn't i was surprised to find this i really do believe in the united states of america the way that states and the good and the bad that comes with this but the way that there are checks and balances even if we don't think they're gonna withstand trump and what's going on that's it's amazing because any other country i mean we'll see what happens in Germany and france and these other democracies but the way the democracies are set up to the legislative the executive and the judicial but like that shit is working right now yeah like the acl like they stopped the muslim land even if it comes back on and even if they overreach again yeah that shit is working their way to stop that gives me a lot of hope for people organizing getting smart about this because i i saw a tweet and this is the best tweet i saw on the whole donald trump administration thing is it's like imagine if we had um fascist just fascist instead of people who are fascist and also dumbasses like yeah like they're dumb yeah like they're not smart like they're telegraphing their shit from miles out and like they're sending out misspelled things and it's not like some clever con they're playing they're like morons they're like they're making shit up they're gonna get caught in their lives yeah you know so they're fucked so they're not gonna handle but you know if you get like a real efficient a real efficient thing you know listen i'll tell you what this is what i've been thinking about and i want to figure out how we can do this for good and not bad one of my relatives posted he's a theoretical physicist and he posted this guy on um the late late show the guy with the corbin i don't i don't really watch it but uh um son uh cbs i think yeah um and he had this mentalist guy he was israeli and i i like mentalist i think people who like can put the illusion of being psychic or something but are admitting that it is some type of like psychological or unconscious trick i think that's cool um i think it can be used very manipulatively when you get into things like nlp and stuff like that but this guy he did this trick and he got everyone in the fucking audience to unconsciously draw the same symbol which was a star inside of a circle everyone in the fucking audience and really it was insane and you can watch it what i really liked about him is he showed everyone how he did it he said all these symbols that you thought i was drawing just like making up if you look at them he drew like a superman s across a mountain a weird mountain he kept calling it and a bunny he he showed at the end that if you map them out they weren't actually those things it was something that spelled out star the s was the s the t was the cross the a was the mountain the r was the bunny flipped down it was an r and he's like this is why you wrote sorry and i was like oh my god wow i was like dude is this guy is doing this to a tv audience yeah you were so fucked yeah i mean i think like we got to use that for good we have to do that yeah i i think the the phrase of 2017 so far is there are layered layers to this thing yeah yeah exactly what the fuck oh no man beautiful i don't know it's just we honestly we have to figure out how to get better at recognizing a what we're individually thinking and then collectively apply that because yeah how what what else creates change i mean how else it starts at home like you're just saying you know who's gonna i don't see anyone out there consistently doing it so that was cast giving us the thumbs up sweet i think that this is a curtain yeah it's like you're coming into a stage yeah i mean it's actually because we have really annoying forced heat forced air heat so um and and it goes away like this this room will get hot as a sauna and then the second the heat turns off it gets really cold so that curtain helps keep the the heat in here a little bit and separate that make it feel like a bigger apartment than it is it's also cool yeah yeah it's pretty chill curtain talk with with no lamps just saying we need to figure out how to unconsciously create symbols that will make the world a better place instead of manipulating people because that's where i think we're on it and i i i don't know i was just so surprised how easy it was i kind of knew he was doing something like that but so did everyone else like he was blowing i think what's his name was there harry conic jr and harry conic jr was like right now but he and he predicted his like pin number you know there's these tricks that we can use psychological and unconscious like think tips we can use to to key in on this but that's not really why it's interesting to me it's interesting because if you apply that to a mass scale like bernays Freud's cousin which is basically he's like the modern father of propaganda which the nazis used his stuff which then turned into advertising symbols are being used against us without us knowing that symbols can even be used for that yeah that's to me like oh that's not i know so that's that's skit well pepay the wolf dunkin was telling me he said he was talking to jason louve i gotta have him on and he uh you should have him on too he i heard him on zach leery's podcast and he was talking about um pepay the frog and kek and these chaos gods that the alt right is summoning and dunkin like he talking i'm gonna go so sorry so sorry i'm like for what he's like the patriots because i spat let me just be clear i spat the fuck out on uh twitter i was laying into the pages oh yeah no fuck um but i like that you were associating them with that uh alt right asshole who got richer Spencer yeah which is retweeted him yeah yeah except this guy's rooting for this team because they have the most white people hey man Richard fucking Spencer yeah i mean they're i retweeted Richard Spencer which is probably unethical it's probably unethical i didn't even think about it like that that's pretty funny i did i was like yo i just dead ass retweeted Richard Spencer not a good thing um but it wasn't making my point you know it's yeah what notes so this kek thing so junkin was saying that jason louve said that he really thinks that they summoned this chaos god and everything is gonna be like this and i'm like yo man we got a summon some other gods then we need to make this like i i i also believe that i mean just in the sense that i do too i think the connection between psyche and matter inner and outer is just becoming more clear for people to see that when you think something and you manifest it is now you can manifest it much more closer than it's been in the past um aided by technology in some parts but i just think aided like what is going on collectively and energetically and i think as that happens a people start to just freak out because like why wouldn't you that's not what we were told we weren't told like hey if you really think about something really put your whole heart and soul into it you're gonna you're that's gonna happen people who do not believe that um and so you kind of freak out and then it's just like what do you do you have choices and then what happens to a lot of people myself included is you oscillate between you know the cultural track of what is going on in the oscillations of your life which you shouldn't fight by the way i don't think it's a good way to fight that i think that's why a lot of people have you know fucked up relationships and you know you know psychological complexes and issues is they're fighting you know a natural way of a life is set up and we're in the context of that life don't totally rail against it as some like separatist is someone who's mocking it because then you're not getting the insights that are applicable and then you have to also ride the wave of like intuition right kind of a line and like get those things to go so i think uh people you know you that's what's important to do and i think i forgot my trying to talk well i mean i think you're speaking about balance really and you know it feels like things like especially when i look at twitter you know a lot better up you've been on there a lot longer than i have but like you i'm like the only thing that's on there is is trump and it's being overtaken by this and and there's a very there's a balance that needs to be achieved between like this emotional outburst that we're all having and like having and honing that energy and actually doing something about it i think it'll naturally come like the cancer analogy like you you freak out my mom was diagnosed with uterine cancer like two years ago and she found out in like february and had surgery i think in late march and was like cancer-free in june and she was fucked up with major surgery she was fucked up for like a year but didn't have cancer anymore that i know what the process of feeling and like you don't know what's going to happen and like people who have to deal with like much worse things and themselves and other people like it's it's hot it's more focused and it's it's but if you've treated it successfully in any capacity you know you needed to know about the thing and that's what's going to happen so i think it is important to stay engaged and be aware of what's happening but like you're saying modulate and figure out how to allow it to remind you that things need to be fixed but not to get focused and fixated because like i was thinking about this too and like the first two weeks i was like i don't work in an office but i bet productivity across the board and every fucking job is going to weigh down i thought about that too is that not measurable yeah well they i read a report today on the trainover that said a third one in three people i think it was you know said their employ their co-workers were talking more about politics and trump than working yeah 33 said that that's what was going on which to me means probably higher i mean yeah how could you not be my mom works in a very corporate environment and she she calls me from there all the time and over over the past year her voice has become like that she's the only Hillary supporter there oh man yeah and but all they talk about is this stuff it's pretty it's pretty crazy you know whereas before that i just feel like we all kind of took for granted and just were we're in good hands oh we we thought we were but the truth is no exactly here's the truth that's an illusion too yeah the truth is is even if everything was great this is why i'm not advocating for Hillary to lose but if Hillary would want shit would have still been super fucked up and i don't mean that and i mean this just to be clear if burning would have won shit would have still been let's say the good people quote unquote one the shit would still be super fucked up because guess what there's still 60 something million people out there who feel that they are about to be extinguished in some way not just racially or white nationalist their jobs are going this is our facts this isn't like it's just the facts of life yeah those people also have a proclivity for guns so i'd much rather us feel like the people are like yeah we gotta figure out how to make this better without guns and people will be like we're pissed off and we got guns uh yeah yeah i i i was i watched this film last night called trumped on uh it's on showtime on tomorrow whatever yeah it's just basically a regurgitation of that show uh circus which was i didn't see it these political guys following around my friend a lot of good footage from the camera my friend i think his wife was on that show yeah i mean it it was cool i watched the show because it was like real in real time well shot politics and like dudes i kind of trust but at the end of it they're showing a like at no one thought trump was gonna win and it was really palpable and he looked terrified when he came out to give i was watching this last night before i went to bed he looked terrified when he came out to give his acceptance speech and um i started thinking about what would it have been like if hillary became president i think it would have been really really really fucking bad i just think like it would have been better for the country overall but but this moment would have like i would like exactly what you're saying i would rather us be the underdog right now and have to be the resistance then whatever that resistance was going to be me too that that version of an american resistance it's not peace and love women's march it's not and it's open carry in the streets you know like scary shit i know and i mean i i do think that's i just keep thinking back because i was editing it i had to find a clip for this week's episode and like there's a point in the episode where he's like and i i'm laughing because he's could be right um he he's like no this is bad don't he literally goes no good we'll come up this now i i say this i say this confidently whenever you say no good or all good yeah you're probably gonna be wrong not been my experience yeah but he could mean like no good in the sense like you're about to have concentration camps in 20 years you know people would be art to argue that the good of that we're probably not going to be alive to see the good of that so for us it doesn't really but i mean i don't know man i just think that we have buffers and bulwarks against some of the horrible shits about to go down people are about to fuck a lot of people over but i do think some of the people who are in the process of fucking people over some of those people will be like yo guess what i don't want to fuck people over anymore and those people are going to be immensely wealthy yeah they're going to be in positions that maybe can influence like it's gonna happen sooner than later too because it's so crazy it's such chaos that like you know eventually some someone on their side is gonna be like okay yeah enough's enough with this we're not going to be in service this guy's ego as a country anymore right yeah probably what do we what do we i mean like i don't know i don't know where to think i don't want to sound like an idiot in 10 years not that that's what's driving me to not say things but like i don't like look back in 10 years and be like oh man like from my cell my cell with like my mind implant from black mirror where they're forcing me to relive like past memories to realize how stupid i was for fighting against imperial trump so like you know but i mean i i just have to believe that in four eight years this here's here's another analogy right i think this country and our political game especially the presidential race is just like football and i think what happened i'm a dolphins fan so i've gone seen a lot of head coaches get turned overturned in the years right a lot since then okay so this is what happens when you get a coach and a new coach he's the opposite of the coach before the exact if you had and you weren't winning and you weren't winning and some people thought you weren't winning so if you have you know a soft spoken tactical smart thinker type of guy not gonna rah rah yell at you the next how you get is some big fucking dude who's gonna yell at you be your buddy you know talk about drinking beers and that doesn't work you're going to go back to another guy so like it's just this oscillator yeah that's what this country does that's why people don't win parties don't win the two party systems they don't win three times in a row that's why it doesn't happen because like people are like nah i don't know this shit it's not fixed yet yeah i think the the framework what we're talking about is capitalism and all of this stuff i don't see how that's sustainable no i don't see how people can mean begin to continue to think that it's sustainable um and i think that is gonna promote change like i feel like it's like you know you will evolve or not into something they can adapt to like being a more sustainable presence on the planet or we will just you know yeah eradicate ourselves well it's it's beautiful because it's happening in the way of machines making jobs a thing of the past and they're gonna become completely obsolete probably not not all jobs but no i know but yeah eventually well they're doing like ten years that they said there was that graph i'm sure everyone saw it after trump won which is like um you know all of the states where the primary job in the state was truck driver yeah and then it showed you in ten years that like ninety percent of truck driving jobs would be automated yeah so so they're not all gonna become doctors exactly not because they're stupid but because like you know they've been driving a truck for 50 years so are we gonna treat them like the coal miners and are we gonna feed them yes this country bullshit for for decades saying yes we're gonna bring these jobs back fuck those computers driving these things we're gonna get you back in those trucks and get you back in those good jobs are we gonna are we gonna treat them like that and use them as political pawns and the jokes on them the answers yes yep totally that's exactly what we're gonna do it's so sad it's so sad instead of us saying all right so here's our chance to be socialist negative income tax yeah executive income tax we don't even have to be socialist we just have to be people like hey you got a few billion dollars you got a you got a kickback like i know you think that's all your money but it's not because you took it from these people and you got to redistribute it in a way that actually makes sense and even if you we disagree on how to do that even if you think i don't want abortion and i want abortion well that's fine we don't all have to fucking agree even if i think that it's outrageous that you're a pro-life person and you seem to not care about people who live in a state where there's no abortion yeah or a state or a country or or or you know you can have an enclave of people who don't believe in that as long as you're treating people with stability i mean i don't see why women if given the choice would want to choose against that but i understand the religious and philosophical reasons that one would be against the abortion absolutely you know and like ethically and we need to be more inclusive like that otherwise this isn't going to work because they got their shit together you can have some different opinions where it's no one is ever going to agree about everything that's why all the utopian movies or any story or myth we see there's always a fall from utopia because this is like more the stasis it's boring you might as well just tell a story like there is this place yeah that's the story sucks not cool yeah yeah i mean i think i think we'll be i think it's going to be okay because like i said i do think this is promoting change the women's march that happened right after he was inaugurated was really awesome it didn't fix anything really necessarily but it showed people that like we're not just going to roll over like some fucking third world nation or some country that hasn't been doing this like we we know what our rights are you once you give people rights yeah to take them away what you basically need to do is create a terror attack to the only way to take them away oh yeah totally and then we'll give them away in the name of americanism although you know but you said you didn't listen to it but i listened to the whole Alex Jones and Joe Rogan well i didn't like that it seemed like Joe Rogan was giving a platform to this extremely outrageous stuff what i was hearing calling people pedophiles and all this stuff oh we know Vic Burger right we know that something that directly happened because i was propagated to story which maybe there's some funny coincidence or something and truth that didn't investigate it hard for me to believe that this is a pedophile ring even though they're probably are pedophile rings in the world no one's dismissing that fact but yeah Joe Rogan for about three hours he smoked weed with him which is really cool Alex Jones smoked weed round count I was wondering that it was pretty it was pretty yeah you see listen here's the thing about Alex Jones and Vic told me something about that i know he's apparently a huge synth head like he has a lot of synthesizers like cold customs like super into them which is cool like that's cool like i relate to Alex Jones on that let's go shit i wish um but yeah Joe is a basically giving him a platform for a lot of really crazy ideas however he was pointing out some factual things that undermine the narrative of what people would like to believe about this country yeah it's kind of like the barack obama the things that people like i think barack obama's a mench as far as good as a mench can be as a president but he also droned the fuck i mean droned the fuck out of people in me you could argue that it was this whatever you want to say so it's a it's a moral quagmire there but like you know he pointed out when he said a couple things oh and then i watched the Donald Trump and i went down the fucking rabbit hole after i listened to Joe Rogan and Alex Jones i listened to Alex Jones have Donald Trump on his podcast in october wow as recently as october there was a can i tell you what really fuck with my head there's at least one thing that i agreed with Donald Trump on i was like yo i didn't think about it like that that's a smart thing maybe this guy's and i came away thinking this guy's not dumb what was it he was saying listen well we were fucking bombing Afghanistan and going in we didn't take any of the oil we didn't do anything you know and i don't agree that we should have taken on it's fucked up but he's like we went in fought this whole quagmire of a war it was a whole fucked up thing guess what china was doing they're mining the other side of the fucking mountains for rare earth materials to dominate a trillion dollar market on rare earth materials which we use for computers yeah and cell phones so who's a fucking idiot there we're fighting people yeah for an impossible victory in a place we don't understand we're only doing stupid shit and china is getting rich and i was like damn man Donald Trump i'm agreeing with Donald Trump so i really had like a dark night at Seoul that said you're the common man well i am the people i understood that this it is so easy to convince people of pretty much anything when we know so little about how things actually work and that actually means yeah helpful politics global politics and just like regular shit like how what our computers made of and whoa that i don't think i've ever got to know but that is a good point i mean like we don't know like we don't know the basic understanding of like how our how like our brains work we don't understand how things get manifested we don't understand consciousness we don't understand thinking you know when you delve into those things you get a little bit of understanding you know the world just kind of just breaks up in the way you typically understand it so and trump just seems like another just a thing that's happening and he's an avatar i think i really do i think he's a symbol of unfortunately i think a lot of people are buying into this narcissism you know cultural attitude and i think it's a fucking red herring because it's not narcissism it's a system that is meant to think you make you feel and think that you're somehow lacking there's personal responsibility here of course but you're somehow lacking yet can never get enough it's like trapping you in the hungry ghost realm where you can never get enough and it's like that just keeps you in this state where like the shit you're even fighting against and fighting for like not even necessarily what you need to be like like i said this is a balancing of the householders the in the west world and the inner exploration but there it has to be both of them and the inner stuff you know i don't think enough people investigate that through meditation through psychedelics through discussions what would encourage that podcast i think podcasts i do think that's conversations that's all when i say podcast that's all i mean conversations because we have all before we ever knew what a podcast was before we ever we would have these conversations with people smoking a joint or drinking beers whatever it is people are into having these conversations i remember my friend from like way back in elementary school we would talk about time travel when they were like eight you know and like well if you did this back then it would affect all these things and like that's how you learn about shit yeah that's how you do it i've heard about meditation on how it's starting really it rarely mentions it do you do tm yeah oh my god okay so i have a lot to you i'm not the next one i want to ask you a lot of tm yeah i'm totally down um fuck yeah yeah how do you want to do should we just keep going and clip it or start another one we'll we'll stop it um we'll get cast out here cool that's it we'll happen to go at it i love it how long was it i think it was pretty good perfect this was a damn pleasure man and now it's really fun yeah well it's cool so so post podcast apology for talking so much like i said i kind of do it next week too with a wonderful guest um but i'm gonna try to do it less it's something i'm gonna work on how cool is Sean how cool is their podcast 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