Ep. 98 - The Kingdom of Heaven with Johnny Pemberton

Hello there, dear synchronicity listener. I want to tell you about a live event that is taking place in New York City September 21st. That's a Thursday from 6 to 10 p.m. at Noya House. That's 25th street in Park Avenue. This is going to be really awesome. We have about 20 panelists, 4 moderators, a lot of your mind-pot network favorites are going to be there. For all of the information and to get tickets, go to witmalive.com. W-i-t-m-a-live.com. All of the info there. Also feel free to have a question. Shoot me an email. Noya@syncpodcast.com will talk about it. Hope to see you there. Bye-bye. So, what I kept thinking was, okay, there must be something here for all these people to expand so much energy and time and pain and suffering and happiness.

For there must be something worthwhile in this dimension to stay here. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. This is synchronicity. Welcome to episode 98 of Synchronicity. My guest this week is comedian, podcaster, general awesome person. Johnny Pemberton, really a treat to get to talk to Johnny about a lot of different things. Whenever someone asks me, you know, what comedy am I listening to? Who do I like? Johnny is quickly, easily one of the first people I mention every single time. He's just effortlessly, it seems funny. One of the most gifted improvisational people musically gifted, sonically gifted, weaves music and sound and effects into his comedy in a way that I think is not only organic but great.

There's like a press release for Johnny as this intro, but really had a wonderful time speaking with him about a lot of different things, including psychedelics, gardening, so much. I don't like to root. I keep talking a little recap at the beginning of these episodes. Are you guys listening? You're going to hear what it's about. You'll hear Johnny. He's great. He's wonderful. I want to mention you heard it at the beginning here. This live event that's taking place in New York City, 25th and Park at a place called Noya House. This is called the event is well being in the modern age. It's a mind pod network event. I have three amazing partners I've been partnering up to get this done.

It's going to be really cool. A lot of mind pod network people are going to be there. I think by my last count, eat mind pod network people. Go to WITMAlive.com to go see the full list of panelists. Get tickets. Check it out. I don't want to give them away. You can go check it out. Also, I think if you include people who have been on this podcast, it's like 12, 13 people who are going to be there. It's going to be a series of panel discussions around some really cool topics, more information to come, but tickets are available. If you want to go, I think we have not that many available, probably right around 100.

So go and get those as soon as you can. There'll be more information as the weeks go on. I'm really excited if you were at the LA event. You know how awesome these things are. It's a really good chance to kind of mingle, hang out. We're going to do this one New York City style. It's going to be really cool. That is happening. Mark your calendars. Check it out. Stay tuned for emails from mind pod networks, synchronicity, all the places. You'll hear about it. It's my hunch over the next month. So I don't need to sell it that much, but would love to see you there. This is a great chance to connect in person, which is one of my favorite things to do. So yeah, that's going on.

Now, speaking of this event, this got me on a train of thought and it's not often, I'll be thinking of something that I should talk about in an intro. Just do these things right off the cuff. I don't know if they have that feel. Can you get the sense that I'm not really preparing greatly for the intros? But today, I didn't write anything down, but I was thinking about it because the event got me thinking like, this is a shared event. I have three other partners and there are obviously ups and downs, successes and failures in any endeavor, professional or otherwise. But it made it clear to me that having multiple people or a team of people ultimately responsible for something really is just a wonderful thing.

Instead of trying to do it yourself all of the time. This is the principle behind my iPod network, a lot of other things that I like to work on, but truly something that I haven't been great at for most of my life. I like to kind of be the lone wolf individual work on my own stuff, or I think I like it. I also have felt in the past that have been very receptive or open to the idea of having teams or other people help out with stuff, but I don't think I really was. I think I like the idea of it. And that's, I really think an important distinction. And Michael Donovan, a good friend from the Walking Home podcast, pointed out something really great as he linked with our great assistant, new assistant, Julia.

You're awesome. Happy belated birthday. She's been helping us out tremendously, but Michael pointed out that until you kind of really put it out there energetically and like make an affirmation that, yes, I am ready for help, I would really like some. That doesn't really start to flow naturally into your life, and it can be kind of a struggle to get there. So that, I'm just saying this for anyone who is going through anything. You're like, how do I do this? How do I start that? How do I do this? By all means go and do as much as you can, because then if you weren't a bunch of stuff and then plug into a team, you're going to be really great.

But also know that try to find some other people who are interested in doing what you're doing, who compliment what you're doing or interested in doing, even if you're not doing it yet. So this is a really important thing. I think this leverages this emerging paradigm of community being the new family. This is our new support system. It's not new in terms of, we haven't, we've been doing this for a long time, but, you know, we need to move, I think, a little bit more away from the scarcity model that we each have to fight for our own piece of pie, because that's all we're going to get to being like, you know what?

There's enough around here. And if we kind of partner up together, we can all be cool. So I got on the community ramp. Don't know why I did that. It was just feeling good about it. It was actually, that's not really true. I was freaking out about it like a spazz. I don't know how many listeners are spazzes. I'm a huge spazz. If you haven't been able to figure that out, I do that. I was spazzing out. And then afterwards, when I inevitably stopped spazzing, it's like, you know what? This is pretty great because I have people helping me with all the things I'm working on. And that really just is a good feeling.

So, yeah, I don't know. I got on that. Let's just get to the episode now. How about that? Really, stay tuned for a great one. Johnny Pemberton. Here you go. Bubba. All right. So, yeah, dude, I'm really happy to be doing this for a few reasons. One is you are hilarious. Like, I really, one of my favorite comedians that I've discovered over the past few years, and I don't say that lightly. Nice. I wouldn't say like a comedy nerd, but I have a great respect for the profession of comedy and it's been a big part of my life from a very young age. And dude, you're just super funny, but not only are you funny, you're incredibly creative.

And you work in sound and music into your comedy, at least with your podcast and your act, too, that I've seen, which is fucking awesome. So I thought a cool place to start would be which came first for you. I mean, I think I know the answer, but which came first for you music or comedy? Oh, definitely music. I mean, for me, anything comedy was something you could even do or anything, really. I think I probably always liked things that were funny, but only because just because it's, that's when you're a young person, you just want to laugh at stuff. So, I think music was the first thing I thought about seriously.

So I didn't get that nice. But maybe comedy was the first thing I was naturally kind of like driven, not driven to a bit, sort of inclined. But it's like finding and pulling around with. Yeah, yeah. So I'm interested. I think that might be right. Yeah, I'm interested because I've been a musician for most of my adult life and before, and I also like, I like laughing too. Like, how did you decide to do comedy? Like, that's something that I know is kind of like a ridiculous question, but I think about it probably pretty often. So I'm curious, like, what was the transition in your mind? Because you said you didn't even know you could do it as a thing. Like, what happened there?

Well, I mean, like, actually doing it is like, as a, as a real thing to me, like, actually, oh, this is what I'm doing for a living or at least this is what I'm trying to do. Yeah, trying to do, trying transitioning into actually doing. I think maybe was probably when I moved to Los Angeles, that's when I started doing, started taking improv class and I started, some point I started to stand up a little bit after that. And that's, I guess, when I decided because I was able to, because I didn't, I lived, I didn't, I never, at that point in time, I never lived somewhere where it was possible to do that.

So at least it didn't seem like it was, I guess I could have, but it wasn't, to me, it wasn't, it didn't seem like it was a doable thing in Tallahassee, Florida, where I went to college and in Rochester, Minnesota. Obviously, in time you're, you're like a smallish Midwestern town, you sort of, nothing like that seems available to you, because it's not really available. Right, I was going to say comedy hubs of the USA in Tallahassee, Minnesota, so yeah. Right. Those aren't exactly like, places where comedy clubs, even though they have them, usually doesn't mean they foster talent, at least it's not a place to like get started.

When did you move to LA? I think I moved in 2005. And did you move with the intention, like, you're just like, fuck it, I'm moving, I need to be to a bigger place, or did you have like some plan when you did that? Well, I mean, yes or no, I had a job, I had to have a job because my dad convinced me that I needed to have health insurance. Yeah, it's good thing I have. Yeah, and he was like, you can't just, you can't just couch surf, because if you do that, you're going to get sick because I have, you know, I have a bowel disease. So if that happens, then I'll have like, it was like, you'll bankrupt the entire family by something like something will come up.

I knew that would be a thing. So I was convinced I had to have a job, I got a job because of some friends of mine who were like, they graduated six months before I did, and they somehow got a job in LA. And so it's this thing where a lot of corporations and stuff, they just hire for the for the young, new people, they just hire people's friends because it's, it's easy to do that. And it's like, oh, your job was in the line. If your friend fucks up, it looks bad on you. So typically people tend to hire people who they can trust. Right, of course. Also, I mean, I don't know this, but from what I've heard, hiring, if you're a business, hiring people is the worst, hardest thing of all time.

It sucks. It's super fucking hard. I've done it for myself and I've done it for clients. It's just the biggest pain in the ass. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's really hard. So I guess that's why they hired me because like, oh, you know, you know, Mark? Okay. Okay. Well, Mark's good. Mark hasn't done anything. Mark's a nice guy. He's, he's, he's, he works hard and he's in his place. It's a pleasure to be around. So okay. You're in. So you move for a job. Yeah, I move for a job, but that's, but the, my plan was to move there. Right. Was to move to Los Angeles because that's where I had the most, most and closest friends.

And I wanted to start doing calling my original plan was to move to Chicago and study improv there. But I couldn't get it, couldn't get a job there. Like Second City and stuff like. Yeah, Second City, because that was all my, all my favorite people are from Second City. So I was like, I'll study there. Right. Right. But you had a job in LA. So you moved there. Do you like, do you like living in LA? I do. I don't want to think about it that much anymore. I sort of just think about it as like, it's a place. It's so big. It's really everything here. Yeah. So I mean, I, I've gone through every stage now. I sort of don't really have any thoughts about it.

One way or the other in terms of, is it good, is it bad? Yeah, no, I, I'm kind of the same way. I mean, I, I've only been there once as an adult, like a few months ago. And I was just a struck by how big it is and how like, I'm used to New York. Everything is kind of compacted right together. Yeah. Even the boroughs are really close. And then like, yeah, there's like 30, 40 minutes to get to some place and like, what the fuck is going on? How is this working? But, you know, I, I obviously, I know a lot of people who go back and forth or who are currently in LA. And I just, it seems like such an interesting place to live geographically, just because of the weather and kind of where it is.

It's like a desert that gets water pumped in, but also, you know, all of the surrounding kind of cultural things that happen there too. I find it's a fascinating place, obviously. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a whole lot of things. It's not, it's, it's maybe 11 things at the, at the very least. That's right. So you went and you started doing, you, you started taking improv classes. Yeah. Cool. And how did that go? Like what, like how soon after were you just like, fuck it, I'm going to do improv? Because I mean, I'm not surprised that you took improv classes, but truly like as an improviser man, like, I'm not just doing this to blow up your ego, but one of the best off the cuff people I've ever listened to, just either in conversation or anything, which is why I think your podcast works well too. Like, dude, I mean, like, were you always like this? Cause like, I remember even meeting you on Duncan's bus and you were like, you're just on fire, like as a person.

Is that just something that's innate to you or you kind of cultivated that over the years? I don't know. I think it's probably a combination of the two. I think it's something where, like I said, like, I think, even though I said that music is the first thing I got into, but that was something that was kind of serious about. Yeah. Just because I liked this so much, but I think I've always liked things that were funny and really attracted to things that were comedic at all, like just movies and stuff. Like, it's all the movies that I'd watch over and over again were set up as comedy. So I think it's something where I just, that's what I was interested in, and it's, I think it's, I think it's a lot of different things.

I think one element is probably if you have a bowel disease as a kid, you don't want anyone to know about that or pay attention to it. I think a lot of times I would goof off to sort of as a distraction from that or from myself, like both, like, don't look at me, look at what I'm doing. And also maybe to consume my mind, because I think I was probably pretty scattershot and my thinking. Yeah. I think it's that. Also, maybe it's just, I don't know. I think it's also just something where I get really bored all the time with, like, almost everything. So I think the least boring thing is to find what's funny about something that appears to be not that funny.

That is totally. How do you make fun of this thing that's in front of you, that's, that's everyone's taking so seriously. So I think it's a lot of that taking the piss out of stuff. It just sort of, it also kind of has to do with what kind goes to music, because I feel like a lot of the best music that I like the most is kind of. And I want to say anti-establishment, because that's so obvious, but it's sort of just going against what is, what's supposed to be the sound of something. Right, right. I don't know. Something like that, where you're just sort of taking the piss out of something, because seriousness, I think it became, I think everything probably came out of the rejection to anything that was taking itself seriously.

Like, I'd be like, "Oh, this is C, this is special." Like, "Oh, don't talk right now, you're not supposed to talk right now, or don't do that, don't make this sound in church, because it's not supposed to make a sound." Right. So it's like anytime there's something where you have to be reverential toward, it's just my natural instinct to, "Oh, how can I do the opposite of what you just told me to do?" Because were you getting in trouble like me in school, because of this bent, or were you just doing it for laughs in a nice respectful way, which I did not do as a kid? I think I got in a little bit of trouble, but basically, I never really got in trouble that much. I didn't do, I mean, I think part of the stuff that I thought was bad was actually nothing compared to what some bad kids were doing.

So I don't think that, I think for that reason, I didn't really get in trouble. But I mean, I got, I got in a lot of like problems, not problems, but trouble like stop talking. Yes, right. Disrupting shit, exactly. That's why I got kicked out of class and like sent to the library, exactly, exactly. Well, it's funny you mentioned this seriousness thing too, just because like, this is, I think like a life thing, not just, it's for everything. Like if you can, whether it's like a spiritual thing, whether it's a music thing, whether it's a comedic thing, whether it's a meditation thing, whatever it is, if you start getting really serious about things, it brings in this kind of rigidity that just makes it really hard to actually like have the space to function and even relate to it, which is why, you know, some of my favorite people to listen to are the people who are constantly encouraging us to not take things seriously.

And that's, that I think is just like, that to me is like, I'm, I'm, I'm subscribing to this idea in no small part because of our friend Duncan, but the idea of comedians is kind of modern mystics. Some of them know it on our kind of tuned into that flow state, which I think we're kind of skirting around here in the conversation, but some of them don't, but it's still this kind of effortless ability to kind of take out. And I don't want to say effortless like work doesn't go into it, but this ability, so like you said, take the piss out of stuff that maybe some people hold such high regard that it's fucking their own shit up.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's definitely true. It's because it's like, it's sort of a, I mean, guys, I don't, I don't think I really know what a mystic means exactly, but I feel like I get the idea of it, but I don't think I don't know what the actual definition is, but it makes sense that that's like a thing. The idea. I mean, the way I look at it, miss, miss all of these words to when we're in those that realm are kind of just like stigmatized to the point where they don't really mean the thing that maybe to one person as, you know, they might mean to another person. But for me, mystic just means the people who are able to pierce the veil of what's actually going on, whether that's taking a seemingly tragic situation and finding the humor in it in the moment, or it's, you know, going into some mystic visionary state where you're seeing the, you know, like if you're on psychedelics and everything starts together, those are both aspects of just getting beyond kind of the regular perception of the world.

And I think comedians do that because they're trying to make people laugh, which in itself is kind of an esoteric thing to do. It's not like, you know, it's like, I just, I can see the comedians who I consider like the fun, just make me laugh. That's the cool thing about comedy too. It's a visceral reaction that you can then analyze afterwards, but the best comedy, you're not thinking about why that joke worked or you're not thinking about why that's funny. And to me, that's like the funnest parts on the psychedelic states too. Do you do use psychedelics have you in the past? Yeah, I've used a bunch, not a whole, not a whole lot, I guess, but I have in the past. I've taken LSD and I've taken a pretty good amount of psilocybin.

And I guess I feel like, I mean, isn't technically MDMA psychedelic? Yeah, I mean, listen, I think cannabis, I put weed as a psychedelic to, to be honest. But yeah, I think it is. Anything that's psychoactive and ulcer/perception on high doses. Yeah. Molly, MDMA is definitely, I put it there. I took something called MDA, which I think people can call sassafras. Yes, the brown kind of, yeah, I took that. Yeah, that stuff is pretty psychedelic. It is. I mean, so yeah, I've done those things. Have they, when did you start taking psychedelics? When I was in high school, a good friend of mine, who I used to play in a band with, well, the only band I played in for about five or six years, I guess.

One of these, this guy, he started growing, cultivating psilocybin mushrooms in his basement. Nice. Well, that's not his basement, the house that he lived in called his parents' house. And he's the owner in high school. Yeah, his house he owned in high school. Yeah, so he grew those. And those, I didn't take them the first two times those guys did. I was really scared about it. But then I think one, I don't know, one day I decided I would try it. I think it was December 27th. I like that you exactly remember the date. That makes sense, though. I just remember it was after Christmas, during Christmas break. Right, right.

It goes, I think it was maybe a sophomore or junior, probably a sophomore in high school, I guess, not sure exactly. But we went out to some, it was a pretty warm day in Minnesota. So it's probably like maybe almost 40 degrees, which actually is pretty warm when you, when you live there. When the sun's out and you're used to that, the winter, that feels really good. So we went out this little, this little shit river in the city of Rochester, Minnesota. And we ate a bunch of these, I think we ate a bunch from the basement of my house that actually belonged to my parents. And then we, and then we took off and I think it was four of us maybe. I can't remember exactly.

God, I can't, that's where I can't remember that. I think it was four of us. Yeah. And we went down to the river and I just remember all this, just sort of getting bold over by this, by these intense experiences, like seeing stuff and just. And that was the first, first brush with, I mean, it smoked a bunch of weed before that, but never, I guess I had some, I had some pretty psychedelic weed experiences. Even the first, the first time I got stoned was, oh, that was really sick. What happened? I had one too. What happened? What's yours? I kept thinking about I was, when I closed my eyes, I could feel like I was sliding down really slowly backwards in a, uh, rotini, um, a giant piece of rotini pasta.

We shit. Yeah. Every time you close your eyes. Um, I, yeah, I was supposed to do this now for a few minutes. I can do that. Right. And it was, yeah, it got me, I was so high. It was such like a psychedelic thing. It was really crazy. I couldn't believe how cool it was. The weird thing was, I'm pretty sure I remember being really depressed towards the end of it for some reason. I don't know why. I don't know if I was like, I was coming down or whatever. Maybe it was, because it wasn't, it wasn't working anymore. Something about it. I was definitely felt shitty. I remember that. It's such a weird thing to remember that aspect of it.

Yeah. I mean, the first time I smoked, I didn't get high, smoked in like a corn pipe in the woods behind my house. The good old corn pipe days, the second time and about eight more times after that, somewhere around that, I don't know exactly. Um, I would have a very, very, very, very weird, weird, like one of the, even compared to like, I was taking like 14 grams of dried mushrooms at points. This goes up there in terms of how weird this shit was. So I was in a movie. I was watching, uh, we were just about to watch in a theater. Grumpy year old men too. Grumpy year old man. So the second grumpy old man. I sat down with my two friends, Tommy and Travis, and we'd gotten nachos.

And I remember I took a bite into a nacho and it was like the eternal bite. It felt like it was repeating just like millions of times. Like I experienced sensation over and over. And then I turned to my friend and said, "Hey!" And it sounded like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey." Wow. And I'm like, "Holy shit." And I'm like, "I gotta go." So I get up and I walk out of the theater and walking feels just like the words feel and the sensation. So it feels like there's eternal kind of like slog up through the theater. And so I get out of the theater and there's firemen in the lobby.

What the fuck? So I'm like, "Hey, is there a fire in here?" And like, obviously there's no fire. They're like standing around in the lobby. They're not in any rush. They're like, "No, there's an electrical problem. We're just checking it out." And everything is repeating like thousands and thousands of times. So I get to a payphone, call my dad, and I'm like, "Yeah, you gotta go. It's the worst." I was like, "You gotta come get me." And he's like, "Is everything okay?" I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, everything's fine. Yeah, just, you know, movie wasn't good." Because I didn't want to tell him what was going on, even though he wouldn't have cared.

So this lasts probably for like two and a half hours. So when something-- Wow. I know. When something lasts that long, you have time to like play with it, right? Like you can be like, "Well, can I turn it off? Like, what is this like? Is this ever going to end?" And so you start like analyzing all these things. So that happened, I don't know. Like I said, eight or ten more times. And it was unpredictable. And at first I thought the weed was laced with stuff, but then like, "No, who does that? No one does that as, you know?" I'm like, you know-- Yeah, that was such a thing it was always talked about.

Spring, it was like raid, yeah. Yeah, probably not actually. No, definitely not. No one is going to take the time to do that with the shitty weed they were getting. So yeah, but I mean, it was-- I will never forget those experiences as being like profoundly impactful on how this is like definitely a psychedelic experience. It can get you there for sure. Yeah, I mean, I always touch on this stuff because for me, I was about the same age as you when I took LSE for the first time. And it just completely shifted everything in my life just in the sense that I had-- The way I thought the world was and the universe and everything worked, I was like, "Oh shit, I'm an idiot."

Like, I know nothing. I hadn't experienced that before, and so it really kind of crystallized that for me. Yeah, definitely does that. So let me ask you about a few other things that I see that I'm not like a sock or anything, but I know you're into gardening. How did you get into-- I just started a garden six months ago, and it's like one of the most favorite things I've ever done in my entire life. What are you growing? I'm growing tomatoes, cucumbers, green beans, basil, peppers, jalapenos, parsley. It's amazing. Yeah. It's incredible. How did you get into it? I was a kid. I remember just-- I don't know. I thought it was interesting. My mom did some very low weight gardening, like putting in annuals, like begonias and patunias and patients and stuff like that.

I just used to do that with her, just because digging in the dirt and stuff feels good, and I could smell. I can't remember how, but I think I was at a seed shop. Maybe a seed shop. Maybe something where I decided I wanted to grow these morning glories. Oh, cool. I just didn't-- I don't know why, but I was obsessed with growing them for a while. I started them from seed because you soaked them in water for 10 hours, or 12 hours in hot water, or you can nick the seed surface to help them germinate. I would grow them. I was obsessed with growing them on this little fence we had in the backyard, but it was so shady, and I planted them outside on these light posts, and this full sun, they grew like crazy.

I was like, "Oh, this is so cool. I think that was the first step I was really into." I think I transplanted some willies, some willy tubers once. That was the first thing. I was sort of like, "How come they're not growing?" I don't know. I just was interested in it. I just thought it was-- There's no other way to describe it. It's cool to see something grow. It's so fucking cool. I like growing things I can eat. I've discovered. I appreciate it. Everyone should. Oh, my God. It's so much. It's just crazy to know you put a little seed in the ground, and then that turns into things that you can eat in planets. I don't know.

It's a pretty printer. It really is, but a really cool one in time lapse. It's fucking awesome. I was listening to some of your conversations with Duncan on his podcast recently. You were getting a little into the Trump and the society thing, and how energy is actually cheaper. I'm curious. This is not coming from any expertise, obviously, on your part. What the fuck do you think is going on right now? Not only in our culture, but the world at large. What's your take on this? I ask you this because I get the sense from a lot of what you put out there in the world that you do think about these things on some level, and you also probably have somewhat sobering of a take.

Not sobering in a bad way, but an insightful kind of thing to do. Not to put you on the spot, but I have a hunch. It's okay. I'm simply a spot. Honestly, I don't really know because there's too much stuff going on to know everything. I kind of took a step back because I just got tired of learning about the political stuff just because I find it to be just really disheartening. Also, you just have things going on that no one can do. You can't do hardly anything about it. There's this illusion, though, because you know about it, you can affect it, but really. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I have like two. Maybe I would say I have two, but I think for the most part, I feel like things aren't that different at all.

They just seem like they are because people have so much access to information technology that we are acutely aware of things that we were not even 10 years ago. There's stuff that we just people just don't. More people know more things than they have ever known, at least as far as I know in terms of how history has worked and how is like technology works. So, it's this thing where you just have so many people knowing about so much. And you happen to have this guy who is just like breaking ground for terrible. Like, he just keeps, like, I was thinking about this last night, how let's just say in a world where let's just say Trump kept all of his election promises.

I just say he did. Like, things wouldn't, it would be so much better if he did that. Like, there's so many things that he said that were legitimately, but the reason why people voted for him, they were like legit, but he didn't keep any of them. There's this thing where it's kind of it's laughable to me. I just saw a post about the guy he's he's nominated for a record checker for Coca Cola. Yeah, I just like this guy. It looks like it's like a cartoon person who you, I just can't believe it's real. It's like this thing where, like, you're fucking up so bad, man, because you just, you clearly does not know what he's supposed to be doing, but he's too headstrong to define it otherwise. So, it's just, I mean, it's just sad really.

It's a thing where, I guess I get really frustrated with people getting super frustrated because I really feel like everything. People, people look at things in such a, they look at things so closely in terms of, there's so reactionary. People are very reactionary, which is, I think only serves to hurt the person who's being reactionary, not so much to affect change or to feel better about anything. That's been the case in my life for sure, without a doubt. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's crazy. You're touching on a lot of really important shit here, which is obviously the hyper focus that we can put on these things, but, you know, a lot of people get a despondent kind of outlook when we see, I mean, Trump's, he's, he's a, he's a ridiculous human being.

I mean, and, like you said, Clovis does, he looks like he belongs in like an Archie comic, like it's a ridiculous caricature of a human being who'd be in charge of theoretically like agriculture, a very important thing in the country. It's just insane. It's hilarious. It looks like he's just putting hamburgers like on a conveyor belt into its mouth constantly. It's ridiculous. I mean, but a lot of this stuff to me, I try to, and I obviously oscillate. My, my trigger person in the campaign is Jeff Sessions. He just, he's just to me, he's fucking with weed. He's just the dick. It's like, come on, man. Like just lay off it. No one even wants you to do that.

So I have my trigger people too, but I also have friends and no people and see it constantly who just engage with this stuff as though it is there in their face reality. When the fact of the matter is that's only your reality when you're plugging in and tuning into it. And this isn't to say that we don't try to figure out ways to maybe not get people like Donald Trump elected. And people who don't have her interest. It's just that the absurdity is now being revealed at such an acute level. Like he's the shit he did with the boy scouts just every day. There's Scaramucci. It's just insane. So like, it's calm. It's pure comedy. It's pure comedy. And I think the boy scout thing is like, it's unbelievable comedy.

It was, I've never seen it. I mean, it's just too much. It's too much. I have legitimately. I used to make the joke that I couldn't tell the difference between real campaign content or like president. Content and Vic stuff, Vic Burger stuff. It's legit. No, it's at the point. I don't know. Like, I don't know if this is just an elaborate joke. And I know Vic personally, it's like maybe he's working with the campaign because this shit is too on the point. So to me, like what it does though, and I think this is the benefit of Trump, if that can be said in any way, is that this is just waking people up to either the absurdity of the political system right now or the absurdity of like the entire system we've built around in this country.

And that gives us an opportunity to a laugh at it, not in like a non-engaged like, aha, it's all burning down, but in a way like, see this isn't working. Now, let's actually focus on things that actually do work. And that to me is like, that's what the emerging kind of paradigm is. But at the same time, you have people reacting to it as though it's the most fucking serious thing in the entire world, life and death. And just to be clear, I know it is for some people. Like, if you're facing an immigration bill and your family and your grandfather wants to get it and can't. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about for the people who have the luxury of not having to worry about that stuff who obsess about it and can't actually make any change.

It's just a weird, it's very weird, but I do think there's a lot of opportunity here for us to kind of like grow up and wake up. It's super strange. It doesn't make any sense. And it's, I mean, I always think that people just have so much brain power. So it's this thing where it's easy to engage in this sort of thing that feels like you're doing something, but you're actually not just because of the way it's laid out, like Twitter or any Facebook. You feel like you're doing something by responding or having like a discourse with someone. Maybe you are having like a legitimate, people always say this crap on Twitter.

Like, it's like you see these people get these flame wars. They're saying, well, I'm just trying to have a conversation about this. And it's just, you're talking to, you're talking in a limited character space to someone who doesn't give a shit to you. That's the truth. People used to send letters back and forth and they would, they would carefully construct their argument. Well, this is something people, it's all this stuff that's out there that has nothing's being vetted. Nothing, nothing matters anymore because you can say anything. So it's this thing where there's no, there's no restriction of any type of speech whatsoever.

So when you have that, it makes everything, when everything's, when everything's so cheap, the technology has effectively cheapened. Right. I mean, it's just a classic double edged sword, but I don't know. Yeah, to me, it's something where I just don't see there being like an into it. It's probably just going to get worse, I suppose, for a while. I, yeah, man, I wonder about it just because I noticed recently, like I was, I was using my phone as like kind of my default reaction. I was on vacation, so I didn't really have that much shit to do. So I shouldn't have been grabbing my phone every like five.

But you do it. But I was doing it my wife pointing out and I was like, sucks. Holy shit. And then I saw a guy walking his dog on the beach looking at his phone and I'm like, oh my God, that's me. I'm like, holy fucking shit. And I do think this shit is at its best neutral. I really do. I don't think that these technologies are surreptitiously developed with the soul and express purpose of fucking shit up and making people lose. I don't know. I think people beg for it. Exactly. So there's some aspect of this connection that I think is pure and good and beneficial. But we're, the truth is, man, we don't have time to react to this shit anymore.

Like we don't, when was the transition from when you did everything on your phone from when you kind of just checked a few different things? I don't remember when that was. When did that happen? No, I don't either. It was gradual. That's right. There's like, I mean, people talk about the mark of the beast, right? That's like the old thing that people are worried about. And they used to think that the market of the beast was the social security number. And when we introduced that, there was something where there's a huge outcry. I think it was the 40s, maybe something about them. That there was a huge outcry, a public outcry against this. Like we're going to be reduced to numbers.

This is bad. And they kept saying, no, no, no, this is just for social security. You will not be identified with this number. That was like a public information campaign. And fast forward. Now it's literally that's your identification number. That's your number. That means you're a United States citizen. You have a social. That's how you use it for everything. So it's a thing where if you're the powers to be, you just got to wait. If you can wait out of generation, people won't give a shit about whatever you're trying to do because they'll forget that this thing is not normal because it's going to be always there.

So that's what I always think about. It's this thing where I think it goes both ways. Where powers to be trying to cause problems, no, they can wait out of generation. But also you think about all these these buffoons. Like let's just say Sam Clovis is an example. The brilliant Sam Clovis. Yeah, the guy is like the fucking keeping the shunt market in business. Or is it stent or shunned? I think it's stent. I think it's stent. The hard thing, right? Great work. Stent. He's probably like a he's probably a walking bag of stent. But that guy, it's like all I have to do is just wait. All this shit's going to become all those like Trump is old guard as he's so old.

He's going to burn out. Those people are going to burn out. You already have all these people. If you told me 15 years ago that most people will be as progressive with gay rights and any type of civil rights stuff as they are now, I would be hard to believe. Yeah, that's true. I wouldn't even believe that I would be censoring myself as much. Right. It's like people, I think it's just a matter of time. Time fixes everything. It's going to happen. Like those are outmoded ideas that people are so shocked by. Those are from people who are going to die because... I wonder. I wonder. I'd like to think, do you know any of this whole occult, Donald Trump, Pepe, Keck type, do you know anything about that stuff?

I mean, like all right kind of stuff? Yeah, but the more occult aspects of the universe. I don't know anything about the occult. Okay. It's really fucking insane. I think I first heard about it. It might have been Duncan. It's this dude Jason Louve. He's been on Duncan's podcast a few times and I had him on. He had a theory that I needed to find more out about, which is he was not overwhelmingly concerned, but he's like, this is some real shit that's going on that people aren't talking about. And so apparently there's this whole kind of anarchic occult, Egyptian fused idea that they're putting chaos magic rituals.

They're super imposing them onto our cultural kind of institution. So the presidency. Right. And so Donald Trump is their chaos God. And that's why you'll see Pepe the Frog sometimes and Keck, K-E-K. What's Keck stand for? So Keck is, there's multiple ways to look at this. One is, I believe it's a type of Korean delicacy. Not a delicacy, but like a pastry or something. You stand for keep everything kicking? No, I don't think so. But it's basically, people would say top Keck. It was like a meme that emerged. But Keck is also an Egyptian. For the 4chan thing? Yeah, exactly. Exactly, exactly, exactly.

So 4chan is weird and we don't have to get into the whole thing of how weird it is. But basically, it also is an Egyptian God. And it's kind of this chaos God. And so essentially, this huge, very racist, very white supremacist wing of which Richard Spencer, people he studied under basically built out this whole alt-right from. But it's weaved in with this very weird far-right occult stuff. And basically what defines far-right occult stuff is people who think that magic is real. Right. That you can concoct rituals and conduct rituals that have an impact on reality as we know it. But that information is only okay for certain people.

Right. That's the right side of occultism. Right. The left side would be is yes, magic is real. We should obviously have initiations for people to understand the power of it. But everyone should theoretically have access to these things. It's not something. Like meditation. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So in the occult, though, what ended up happening was there was this merging of ideas that we need to protect this magic and only a certain initiatory group of people can have it too. Only white people can have it. Only white males can have it. We need to guard and gird ourselves against these other outside forces which are looking to destroy the white race, which to us is just such a ridiculously asinine idea to even give it any type of credit that does injustice to the idea.

So the thing is, is that that's all tied in to this Donald Trump stuff. So they legitimately look at this as something that is rippling through. They call it like meme magic. It's a whole fucking crazy thing, but it's just a substantial number of people. This isn't, we're not talking about like 5,000 people on 4chan. We're talking about like hundreds of thousands of people who really believe that this is what's going on. And we could talk at nauseum about the factors that get people to that point, but I certainly subscribe to the idea of the universe being malleable. I don't think the hard and fast rules of Newtonian physics apply in the same way that a lot of us like to think that they do.

Like quantum physics is definitely getting to that. I mean, that's an interesting place to pursue. Like, what do you think this reality is? Do you think, is this our only reality? Is this our only incarnation? Is this we live and we die and that's it, are we here for a reason? What are your thoughts on any of that stuff? On Keck. Just in terms of your, this reality, being a malleable place, is that something you subscribe to? It'd be malleable, I suppose. So I mean, I think that there's, I think I don't have the ability to understand what it is. The only thing I know is that, I don't know, I don't think I can know exactly what that is because, I don't know, I mean, I always, with all things I have converging viewpoints, I disagree with myself.

So part of me thinks that like, there's the old Christian idea that the kingdom of God is on earth. I really think that is true for the most part, that, I mean, to put it in perspective, but when I had this really bad LSD overdose about six months ago, I was like slipping into the void, right? I was by myself, I was, it was way more than I was prepared to take, it was an accident accident. Oh yeah, those are the, then you know it's coming, did you know it was coming? Well, no, I'm honestly meant to do a, a, a simple microdose, like, I meant, I did that for three months. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. And I, that's what I was doing for it.

I had all the stuff planned that day. It was like noon or something on a Wednesday, right? It was, it was, I had a lot to do that. I have for real. I get it. It's great when you're microdosing. It's like amazing for that. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. I did that and obviously became what it was, a full blown thing. And I just kept slipping into this state where I was looking at this reality that we're in right now from like it, from apart from it and sort of laughing at the absurdity of it. How much, how important people, how much stock and how much, how important people make everything seemed out to be, and how just, just how much they're, how much to do and what we want to call it about in this reality, just the significance people put on it.

I was laughing at it because it was just so ridiculous to me. And I was almost thinking like, oh, I don't even need to be like being alive as, why would I even be alive? Yeah. I've been there. I get it. So, but what I kept thinking was, okay, there must be something here for all these people to expend so much energy and time and pain and suffering and happiness for, for there must be something worthwhile in this dimension to stay here. So I was like, on that case, I have to fight, I have to keep my head here, I have to retain my anchor in this dimension so I could come back. I mean, it's also the part of me that knew, like, I know this acid trip is going to end just some time.

Right, right. I just have to fucking hold on, as long as I can hold on and not die, like, I will stop tripping. But you can say, you can know that as much as you want, but it still doesn't matter to some extent. So I guess I just feel like that there's something worthwhile here. I mean, I'm not like a real scholar of the Bible or anything, but there's a lot of people who talk about everything that Christ said, inside that, I said the word Christ. I know. It's a crazy person, but I feel like there's going to be to be gleaned from what is written in the gospel is that if you look at all the things that Christ said and everything that people taught from what He said, it seems like a great interpretation is that live in this way and the kingdom of heaven will be on earth.

That's right. And I think it's absurd, the idea of living, I mean, think about the Buddhist traditions the same way, like, why would you live for tomorrow when you have today? That's right. So it's just, and I really think that there's the idea that there's all this crazy dumb Christian shit about heaven and all that stuff, it's absurd because really, it's the same thing as this Buddha, it's like, this is, you're living in heaven right now. Because there's also something, I remember don't talk, this is years ago, but he told me about something that, about the idea that the world is on fire, like everything is terrible.

All life is, and so the idea that anything is, any one place is better than another is purely your personal viewpoint on the thing and not really actually, there's no empirical better or better. Right. Right. So in my mind, all this stuff fuses together and also you think about, also, I mean, actually I think a lot lately about the idea of original sin, kind of like the idea that, because all people are, I'm kind of like this joke about it, actually, about how people are so surprised about how Trump is bad, like, yeah, he's, yeah, he's bad, but so are you, we're all fucking terrible. Like everyone's, pretty much everyone's terrible, if you're not terrible now, you were, you did something.

Yeah. Like hurt something that didn't, didn't deserve any pain, you've inflicted pain, you've like done something that's bad, because as a human, you are just in a hair, and you're just bad, like even being alive, like people try to like lessen their footprint on the earth. Right. Like, oh, I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to recycle everything and do all this stuff. Like you can't, if you're alive, you are, you're, you're causing just your physical president's presence is you are already terrible. Everything. Well, it's entropy, right? Right. We live and then we die.

And then it dies. And I mean, the, the very, I, it's very, your LSD experience, I think is a really tremendous insight. And that, that typically those types of experiences tend to happen when your ego is basically fizzling. Shatter. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. Yeah. Bye bye. Now you're going to actually get some stuff. And I think that's when a big wave of intuition typically comes for people. And now our ego can immediately co-op that if we let it. But I don't think it did in your case. And I mean, I, I, I, this is, I subscribe to the Ram Das, um, and the Buddhist conception too. Because the Buddhist, you know, while the emphasis is living in the now, one of the reasons I love Buddhism, especially Tibetan Buddhism is they have these very detailed kind of cosmologies of how all of these interrelationally like set up universes or dimensions we would call them exist.

And they're fascinating. And it's, it's far more complex and life is suffering and then shit sucks and so live in the moment. And it's also that simple too, which is the beauty of it. But I subscribe to the theory that we are here for a reason. And I don't subscribe to that in a wishful, kind of hopeful, I mean, I think those elements can be involved, but I think that we're here not to suffer as a punishment or to experience the rewards of it, but the potential opportunity that those friction laid in situations, like I'm going through this past year for me has been one of the most difficult years, but also one of the best years.

So it's like you have these two dualistic kind of things coming together that present these very unique opportunities to like learn shit and grow and discover things about ourselves and other people and kind of the interconnectedness of everything together. And that's why I think, you know, you get that little thing that says, you know, you're here. This is why you're here, you know, tether yourself back. You're here for a reason. It's like the concept of a Bodhisattva. Have you heard of that? The Steely Dan song? Is there a silly, so Steely Dan, I have a funny Steely Dan synchronicity, they formed like 10 minutes away from where I am now in the Hudson Valley.

They went to college. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So yeah, no, Bodhisattva. I don't know what that means. No, I don't. I'm further word about it. I don't know what it means. Yeah. So Bodhisattva is this idea in Buddhism that when the goal per se of Buddhism or any of most of the Eastern religions are enlightenment, right? Which didn't be translated in a bunch of different ways, but essentially freedom, right? You've recognized the true nature of reality and therefore are free. So Bodhisattva is someone who does that. They get to the point where they have realized the true nature of reality.

However, they choose to stave off their impending enlightenment to continue to incarnate in different dimensions to ferry people across, right? And this idea is both considered an actual thing, like, you know, people will die and they were right about to achieve enlightenment and they will come back. But also the real message in all of the Buddhism stuff is that we're all Buddhists too. We all have that innate seed in us as well, which applies to Bodhisattva logic as well. So I think there's a lot of us. I just think culturally, temporally, where we are and get into the whole time as an illusion thing.

Where we are right now in history, I think there's a shitload of pre and current Bodhisattvas. And I think that manifests in a tremendous amount of different ways, but nevertheless, I see it. And I think this is, it's intimately involved. It has been obviously in the musical worlds. We can see this with like Bob Marley, Stevie Wonder, people like that, but it really seems to be prevalent to me in the comedy world as well. You can just tell the people who are in comedy, who may have had very tremendous amounts of suffering, difficult, horrible things, but are really just beacons of light. And they may still be going through shit, but they're doing it to provide this atmosphere of levity for other people.

So I think this is this very weird nexus that's going on. Well, the other people, I think primarily for themselves, that's how I feel. I'm very selfish. I don't care. I really don't, not doing it for anyone else. I really 100% know I can't give a shit, if I don't think it's funny, then it's not, well, I'm not enjoying myself. But I would, I think that's real though. That's a real thing. I mean, people who, that's what a hack is. It's someone who's trying to make others laugh, and not themselves. To me, that's the essence of being a hack is that it's not caring, not caring if you think it's funny.

But if you find something, it's like anything, it's like any great literature like, ah, any great literature, but lots of stuff, you hear the story, like what, JK Rowling's wrote those books for her daughter, right, or something like that, she wrote them, she wrote them for someone she loved, ah, intimately for a pure reason, right? So basically for herself, essentially, if you're doing it, well, it kind of, I feel like it kind of fuses instead of sort of thing where you're doing it for love, and only that. And same with, ah, Tolkien, I didn't talk and write those for his nephew or something. And I'm sure these stories are everywhere where someone, it's either writing it for someone who's, they love like themselves, who's super close to them.

I think Flannery O'Connor did all of her work for God, like she dedicated her to her life. She was like a hardcore Christian. So I just think it's like that's the thing where you're, you're doing something creative because it's the only thing that makes you happy, and by extension, it makes others happy because you're enriching, you're like, you're bringing up the temperature of the hot tub. So you know what that is? That's like resonance. This is something you're about in like creativity, and obviously we understand that term in a lot of different ways, but that's, that to me right there is the essence of creativity and art.

And every, that's why when you can hear a song by a band or an artist that's technically incredibly proficient, but then you hear some rough dingy recording of like people in a basement, but we're doing it just for the fucking love of it. And you can feel the energy more from the other one. That's what that is. And I think, oh yeah, the lesson there is that energy is in everything that we're doing all of the time. That's literally how it is. And I think when you start tuning your frequency to that, that's, that's when the magic really starts to happen in a lot of different ways. And I think that's, that's huge, man.

And I mean, you're right, a hack is someone who would be doing something for other people. Do it for yourself. And if other people love it, you've just hit the jackpot. Yeah. Sometimes you, sometimes you just have both who since this is a reason there's a lot of popular hacks. It's just because sometimes people don't want something that's that they want something that's like you want to have like a, it's all, it's all with a map, I guess, but there's, it's why some people get all bent that shape out one person or another having success or something. But I honestly feel like some, there needs to be some mediocrity out there.

So spectrum, right? Yeah. Yeah. It has to be. You got to have some, you got to have some mediocrity. Honestly, you don't hear people say that very often, but it's, it's really true. It's like the idea of living in like an ever permanent blissful, great, everything is nothing is ever bad state, like that sounds wonderful, but you wouldn't know it. You wouldn't have anything to contrast with that to know that it was like that. So even if it was like that, it sounds theoretically wonderful, but you certainly wouldn't, wouldn't, wouldn't love it after a certain period of time. No, I mean, it's true.

Like I've never thought about like that because I'm certainly, I've lessened in my years and the more time I put into creating stuff, the less, you know, a tacky or aggressive I get about certain people. They still have, I have my moments, you know, I'll see an actor, a band or some music thing. Like there's, I'll openly talk shit about them, which is something I don't do a lot on this podcast, but there's a group, The Chainsmokers, you know, they're like, I knew these guys in New York and just like, like, I didn't know them well. They're in circles. I ran in DJ circles and just like, I don't know them personally, but just goofball, just like dinguses.

There's no other way to put it. Like there's, there's no real passion there, like their group is called The Chainsmokers and they want to fucking Grammy this past year. And like the Grammy, yeah, no, and the Grammys are like, you know, they're reduced to, to rubble at this point, but still I was like, holy shit, I can't believe it. And I don't, I'm not jealous of their success, which my wife will troll me about. But really, it's just that I know what the difference is qualitatively between art where people really believe in it. And I don't think that should be the most popular art. And I don't think it should be the most successful in terms of financial art.

But I respect it because I think that's evoking something that's really powerful in the human spirit, which is innate in us. And the more we can do to kind of hone in on that as a collective individually, that's, that's what it's about. Whether it's comedy and music, it doesn't matter. You know, one of the reasons, dude, I respect you so much is because you evoke that, that feeling and almost everything you do, truthfully, like I, I've tuned in enough to know that. And that's the stuff. That's why podcasts are blowing up. That's why comedy is blowing up and then a new rock star is quote unquote.

It's because it's quickly evokes real shit in people and that that's, that's what it's about. That's interesting. All right. All right. So I'm going to wrap up, dude. Thank you so much for doing this, by the way. I'm having a really good time. Yeah. This is, this is great. Yeah. So I'm going to, I'm going to ask you three quick questions and then one question at the end and then we're done. What's your favorite color? Green. What's your favorite number? Oh, probably 13 or 11, 13 spine. What's your favorite animal favorite animal? Oh, that's a tough one. Damn. Probably probably, well, I mean, obviously dogs are, I feel like dogs don't like count because it's like, you know, dogs are just basically humans.

They are pretty much. We're, we're so bonded. I was looking at my dog's eyes there and I, I was, I had this weird moment. I think I was drunk or something. Either way. Yeah, yeah. All their state. I was like, this is, this has been going on for over, what, maybe to what, 20,000 years? Right. Right. People have been looking at animals eyes and it's like, it's almost like time traveling. You look at a dog's eyes and you're just, this is, you're just, nothing is new. This is old shit right here. Maybe it's probably older than 20,000 years, right? How long with humans and dogs, it's all, we don't even know.

I don't know. I don't think. I don't know if somebody's claiming to know, but who knows? Yeah. I would say crow though. Crow's probably my favorite animal, Corvus, Corvus, Calyx. Why crow? Just because they're, they're a keystone species and they are just, I don't know, something about crows where I like to, they have, they have sort of like this neutrality about them that I liked. It makes me feel like I always think about this, I've talked with this on so many times I feel like I'll sit here, just, this is one time, I'll just say the short story. Yeah. I just saw, I saw crow land on a tree next to me after I was running up this hill, like we'll go jogging it and it just made me feel like, I, I, I can sort of, I was being told that the neutrality of death is, is real and sort of just, the crows remind me of insignificant, like the insignificance of life.

I don't know. There's also this writer Jim Sullivan, he talks a lot about crows. Crows are fascinating. They're incredibly mystical and symbolic animals throughout all of, you know, mythology. They're, they're, I have a weird thing where when I see crows, I usually see three of them. It's gotten to the point where if I see one crow, I'll look around and I've tried to make sure that it's not confirmation bias. I just always said three of them on the fuckers. They're, they're all around. It's, it's very interesting. That's cool, man. They are social. They are. Um, okay. Last question. Let me give you a tip that's helped you in your life that you could share with listeners.

Ooh, ah, I mean, that's, that's, that's hard cause that's like life is everything. It is. It could be anything too. I think Duncan's at one point was socks. So yeah. Yeah. You know what? Actually, Duncan had, he's not lying too because we were in Australia. I know. We're Australia. We're leaving. Get on the plane. He's like, he actually, I'm pretty sure he saw this to me. Let me, let me give you this tip. Fresh socks. Exactly. He was so serious. I know. Yeah. He bought me a pair of socks. I was like, okay. Yeah. I guess I'll put these fresh socks on. Um, I'm a sock guy too. I do like, I like heavy socks.

I think, I think thick woblin socks are highly underrated, but I don't want to, you know, I don't want to borrow from the sock tip zone. Jesus Christ. This is tough because I feel like I have a lot of tips. You can give more than one if you feel like you're constrained within that. Oh, God, that's the problem is like, there's just, I mean, okay, tip, um, tip, tip, definitely this is, this is a dumb look at, literally look at my room right now, I'm like, um, tip, uh, just you just stainless steel water bottle because also you can carry it. It's also a weapon. You can defend. Which is true. You don't want these, these clean canteens, the, what size is 22 ounce, 27 ounce clean canteen.

This shit's hard as hell. If you needed to, you could probably defend yourself with that in the clench, the clutch or the hydrate, hydrate with the stainless steel, like a double whammy and you can use it as a weapon in case you're being attacked. Yeah. Room temperature water. I know. I, I've just recently gotten really into room temperature water instead of cold water. I find it. It's better. Yeah. Ooh. The good is hot water. Hot water is good too. Hot water. It's been worn by the sun. It's in a glass bottle. That's a good one. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. Especially after exercising. Yes. I've just been doing that recently too.

Look, you just gave like three amazing tips for potentially Johnny. Thank you so much for doing this, man. Thanks for having me, Noah. Yeah. I hope to see you soon. Peace. Bye bye. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] How about that episode with Johnny? Johnny's great. Like I said, go check out his podcast Live to Tape. He has some amazing guests on there. I recommend if you're looking for an episode, the Todd Glass episode is fantastic. Todd Glass in his own right.

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