Ep. 84 - Music of The Spheres with Adam Sommer

Instead of thinking that you need to set aside time in the day to do it and create expectations and intensity around that little notch within your day, you figure out a way to live it towards always happening. This is synchronicity. Welcome to episode 84 of Synchronicity. My guest this week is Adam Summer and we're going to get to him in just a second. Adam, I actually was on his podcast exploring astrology on the plants and planets episode, focusing on cannabis a few weeks ago. So go check that one out. I'll have links to it too. It was really great fun but yeah, also I have had, I don't know about you guys, but I've had the worst allergies.

I have ever had seasonal allergies this year. I don't know if it's because we moved up here and there's a lot more trees, but man, it has been brutal, so if I have a sound congested in this episode or future episodes or previous episodes, that's what it is. I'm not sick. I just got really bad allergies and I'm basically, you know, doing rails of zurtek off a mirror at this point because, holy shit, the planet. It's like that M Night Shyamalan movie, the really bad one with Mark Wahlberg, where the plants attacking people, making them kill themselves. It's kind of what it feels like with the allergies here, so I'm sorry planet. I apologize to you, Mother Earth, on all of humans behalf, but please take it easy on the allergy front.

So with that said, let's get to some cool things. I want to talk about some stuff. I haven't done this in a while in the beginning. I know, people are just waiting for these long intros. And by people, I mean, no people. But frozen mango. I wrote these things down because they've made enough of an imprint on me and my reality that I felt like I should share them with you. So frozen mango is my new secret weapon. I love frozen mango. I enjoy mango, love mango, but frozen mango. You can get it year round, pick it up in your store, comes in chunks, little ones already cut up for you. You just, you take it out. You eat it. One piece at a time. It's like ice cream, but better. It's incredible. And also speaking of allergies, like it also, I don't know if it's just, it gets my mind off it, but I have a couple pieces of frozen mango when I have really bad allergy attack coming on and it solves it.

I don't know. I don't know what that says about me, but frozen mango is amazing. I highly recommend it. Go pick up a bag. We're now sponsored. Synchronous city is now sponsored by frozen mango. So there you go. I also want to tune you into an amazing mix, electronic music that I've been listening to. It's four and a half hours long. It's by a wonderful producer and DJ called Yoko Oh, and I know that's sort of confusing. Not Yoko Ono. Yoko Oh is his name. And oh, man, it is so good. I will have links to it on this episode page, which you can find at sync podcast, syncpodcast.com slash Adam. Then there will be links to everything I talk about on this intro and this episode, but that man. Oh, God. It's such a good mix. I love it so much. I really think you guys will enjoy it too.

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I downloaded SimCity, the iOS app on my phone. SimCity was a video game. I remember originally playing it on Super Nintendo, where you build up a virtual city. You know, it's a whole world. You build up buildings, residences, industrials, factories, roads. You got a natural disasters, mitigate. There's a whole thing. So I got it on my phone. I did these hands down, the most addictive game I have ever played on my telephone. I have to delete it soon because my population of a few hundred thousand people is, they're not particularly happy with me. We got a 66% approval rating. But I'm just pointing this out. Don't download this game. Don't download SimCity for your phone. It's also for Android.

Please don't do it. This isn't like some sarcastic trick. Like you should do it. It is super addictive. I am trying to pull myself away from it right now. I'm pretty much going to have to delete it. So just be wary of that particular game. SimCity. Don't play it. All right. Let's get to Adam. Long intro. I know. Adam, I was tuned in to Adam by a listener of the show. Amazing person. Stephanie Princeip. She tuned me on. She's like, Hey, I think you guys would be interested in getting to know each other. Here you go. And we did. And we are. And to prove this, not just that, you know, I'm just saying this. And I know I use a lot of superlatives at the beginning of every episode where I'm like, Hey, this person is awesome. They're great.

I genuinely mean that when I say that. But to take this to the next level, Adam is actually joining MindPod Network. So I've asked him to be a part of it. We're in the process of getting all his episodes up right now. His podcast exploring astrology is fantastic. I've only scratched the surface of what he's offering there. But if you have any interest in astrology, check out his podcast. Check out his website, WholesToHeavens.com. He does readings. He's just like easily the most knowledgeable person I've ever spoke to about astrology. Granted, I don't know a tremendous amount amount about astrology, but I'm very interested in it. As you know, if you've heard in the past few episodes, it's been popping up in my life quite a bit.

So it was really auspicious and fortuitous to be able to speak to Adam about a lot of astrological things. One of those things that came up with this, which is the title of this episode is "Music of the Spheres" or "Harmony of the Spheres," which is this idea that the celestial bodies, the sun, moon and planets, actually form some type of music, right? And this music is not usually thought to be literally audible, but it's a harmonic, mathematical or religious concept. So the idea is that there's this frequency that is generated by this movement that we can tap into in a multitude of ways. So I'm not going to go into the whole idea of music of the spheres. It comes up, not only in, you know, mystic, you know, Christian mysticism.

Hazrat Inayak Khan talks about it quite a bit in his book "The Mysticism of Sound and Music." It is in all esoteric studies, this idea of the music of the spheres. So that's kind of what astrology is and using it as yet another map of this terrain that is not really sensible, not the word in terms of not being like reasonable, but sensible. We can't sense it. This is another tool that we can use kind of on the path if it resonates with us. So being able to speak to Adam about this was really a pleasure for me. I think you're going to enjoy the episode. No, I take that back. I know you're going to love this episode. That's it. Thank you for reviewing, rating, all of the good stuff.

If you want to join the Facebook community, go to syncpodcast.com. There's links to everything you'll ever need to know. If you want to engage with the show more, that's all you've got to do. All right. Without further ado, here is Adam Sommer. In the past two weeks, three weeks, and running into the end of this week, we've really been getting a heavy dose of astrology. When I say that, I don't mean like I'm really interested in astrology, so I'm seeking it out and I'm reading a lot about it as a decision, as a conscious decision. It's coming to me. I know you know when that stuff starts to happen.

As I pointed out in our episode, I take that as a sign. I am just fascinated to get to know you better, but also really start to understand astrology a little bit better because as I read through your website on "Holes to Heavens," I love this whole different branching of astrology from Jotish to the evolutionary to the archetypal and traditional, and I also like how you refer to astrologers being in the realm of poets, and how this stuff is really a deep connection between our inner and outer worlds, which to me, if I were to break down the driving factor or aspect of the past three to five years of my life, it's been that connection specifically. Not only knowing that it exists, but really trying to go into it and figure out specifically how we map that terrain or use some of the resources that we can gleaned.

It's a long intro to say, "Welcome to Synchronicity, man. I'm super happy to be doing this." Well, yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited. Our conversation was so natural and fluid when you came on my show. I thought so. It's what I'm looking for when I have conversations on the pod. I've said this before on this. In person, it's relatively easy to facilitate a harmonious, flowing conversation. When you're doing it via the web and aided by digital means, I really do think it becomes a skill in a lot of ways. So whenever I speak to people who have either been podcasting or just familiar with speaking over digital communications, you can vibe off that. It's always a wonderful thing. I thought it was really fun. We're talking about weed, which I love. That's going to get the social juices going.

So, dude, I would love to start and find out a little bit more about you personally. As I was re-listening to the episode we recorded, you pointed out that you were doing some acupuncture, some qigong, and coming at this from a healing perspective. But I would love to like, where did you grow up? Why are you doing astrological readings now? And how did you get into this? We'll just take it from there. So many different starting points. Aside from talking about where I grew up, just the origin of astrology, I think, is a good place for me. Yeah, I was sharing that. It was kind of an interest of using astrology as a diagnostic tool in the beginning. I never did acupuncture, but I did have a practice doing medical qigong with my partner at the time.

And she was the acupuncturist, so we would tag team clients in a way. It was neat in that sense. But I was never good at taking pulses. The tongue changes so fast. I went to a five-element school, and so a lot of the diagnosis relates to color-sound odor and emotion that you get through intake. And I was pretty good at that, but still there's a lot of variables, and it's quite subjective. And when astrology, as you were describing with yourself, as it starts showing up, and it ropes you in, I really do think that these archetypes, like being that your show is called synchronicity, you're into Carl Jung, you're already primed for this information.

Right. And once that happens, I think there's a place in our consciousness for this ancient system of symbols and understanding time and cycles to come in. And when it comes, most astrologers will say that they didn't seek out astrology, it found them. Right. Which is a huge point, because I think, and we can get into the confluence of the new age and modern movement and how a lot of people now do look at astrology as a pop culture thing in some ways, but that they're, as you know, and I know, even things that surface to pop culture have roots much deeper in actual stuff, but not to cut you off. I'm sorry, I just wanted to point that out.

Yeah, no, we can definitely explore that. It's a good topic. And yeah, so the first real seed, I think, that was planted for me around astrology was reading Rick Tarnas' book Cosmos and Psyche, which for anybody, you got excited when I mentioned it on my show, but for anyone interested in astrology or history, for that matter, that's what I meant to say. But also astrology, it's an incredible book. I mean, I think it took them like 30 years to write it. It's a very carefully written look at history over the past like 2500 years through planetary cycles. So like the Pluto Uranus cycle, the Saturn Neptune cycle and all of this. And he looks at movements within culture, but also huge events that happen politically and this and the other thing. It's amazing. And so I had read that when I was in acupuncture school.

And I read the whole book without ever even really looking, even knowing to look at my natal chart, like I wasn't that interested in astrology, but I was fascinated by these ideas. And then I started naturally meeting astrologers, moved out to Portland, started meeting a lot of people that were doing this. I'm like, wow, people actually do this. I didn't even know that. It was probably a second or third reading I got. It really affected me. And by the end of it, I kind of realized that it would be an incredible thing to know in the work that I was already doing. So that's where the diagnostic tool part comes in.

I see. And so like when astrology started, I'm just going to make this personal for myself. But when astrology started to find you, what described kind of how that worked and what was happening, was it dreams? Was it just information coming in front of your face? How did that work? Well, it really kind of started with that book. And it kind of was like a catalyst. Well, it was a Jack in the Box type experience too, because Rick Tarnas had also written this book called Passion of the Western Mind, which I read in college in a philosophy class. And it's a similar idea where he traces the origins of Western thought going all the way back to like way beyond Socrates, like going into deep, BC space. Cool. Cool. And I remember really liking it. I was like, wow, Western philosophy has always been kind of boring to me.

And then reading the book, I liked it. So, yeah, it was seeing that, oh, he wrote another book at the bookstore. It was like an NCAP situation. And little did I know when I bought it that it was really on astrology, I thought it was something else. And like none of the chapters are entitled with any astrological language in them, really, like cycles of transformation. And then you get into it. You're like, oh, damn, this is all about Pluto. And Uranus, this is curious stuff. So, yeah, I think it was like kind of surprising in that way. And then as far as dreams. And I was also kind of dabbling around with plant medicines a lot around that time. Which ones?

Mainly mushrooms. And I'd taken a trip solo to the jungles of Peru. Cool. This is back in like 2003. Oh, cool. Something like that. Before it was trendy. Yeah, in fact, when I went down there, I thought, like, no one knew what the hell I was doing, but none of my friends, like a few of them had heard about Iowaska. But yeah, I was always a big fan of Terence McKinnon stuff. So I was pretty primed to the idea and just like go perusing Iowaska forums online. I was like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to take a break from school and go down there. No one's Spanish never having left the country. That's super cool. I mean, I think I don't have the days ago. That's when my mom and my stepdad, I think, right around then they started going to Peru.

Well, before it's become this cultural trend, you know, for better or worse, although I think it's probably for better in many ways. So can we let's delve into the plant friends and allies here? So like what role did mushrooms play at the time? And then I'd love to hear Iowaska. I've never done DMT. I've never done Iowaska. I have done mushrooms plenty of times. Enough. Enough. Not that I wouldn't do them again, but I've, you know, we've had those nine to 12 gram college trips, which are like, oh my, that's like a double heroic double heroic. I didn't even realize it. Well, so I'll tell this man. So in college, I had a roommate who was relatively shady. I had known him from high school.

We were at Northeastern and when I say relatively shady, I mean, like if I didn't know him, I'd be like, this is one of the shadiest guys I've ever met. But he befriended some drug dealer in college who was like really nuts. He was telling me how like his first sexual experience, you know, having sex was on LSD. I'm like, oh my God. Like, I don't know what that would do to an individual, but he was really crazy. He was like, he had like ketamine, all the, I didn't even know what any of this stuff was. But one day they came in with an industrial sized trash bag full of dried mushrooms. And I mean, like, this is, this is probably legitimately like, I don't know, five or six pounds of mushrooms minimum.

And he's like, thanks for letting us do this in your room. I'm like, what? He's like, thanks for letting us keep these in your room. It's like a dorm room. And I'm like, sure, he's like, just take as much as you want. And I was like, really? And he's like, yeah, like take like an armful. So I literally got to like go in this bag and like scoop up like probably like half pound of mushrooms or something. And that was, you know, a good semester of college. So at that point, when you have that much and like, we weren't selling them and making money, you know, we'd give them to friends, but like, you know, nine grams, ten grams doesn't become such a crazy thing.

You know, it's like the time in your life, at least for me, we're like, we were doing some heavy exploring, you know what I mean? So, yeah, that's how those double rogue doses happen. But to shift to shift away from me, I'd love to hear how mushrooms kind of integrated in with the astrological stuff and then the ayahuasca, of course. Yeah, yeah, I think they all have a particular role as an ally, right? Totally. But here's my take on what's happening. Once the astrology starts to find you and fill your cup, in some sense, is that it really does start with the title of your podcast. Like once people start recognizing synchronicity in their life and they start interpreting symbols, both in the dream world and in waking life, and they start seeing like 11, 11, or these things start happening.

Right. Like, that's the beginning. And I think that it only increases in its speed if you're going deep and intentionally with things like mushrooms in the ayahuasca and whatnot. Like, everything becomes meaningful and saturated with these little magical incantations for something like this. Yes, totally. So I think that in a way, we need to be rewired to really truly understand what's happening within the archetypal landscape. And so there's tools, like the first step for me was like, okay, these plant allies, like my whole life was changing. They were teaching me breath and yoga without ever even having to do a yoga class.

They told me special things were happening in me around that time, which was my early 20s, and then we got into the iching. Cool. Yeah. Really started being blown by the iching. And I would, yeah, I'd mess with it like every day. And I really loved it. I was doing it like the traditional way too with the sticks and whatnot. Oh, cool. See, I have a copy. And I never did any real divination with it, with the coins or the sticks or any of the Eurosticks. But I just will sometimes randomly pop open a page to see if there's some broader perspective it can give me on what's going on. But that's so cool that you did the actual sticks and everything.

Yeah, man, it works. And the coins are just fine as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. So any form of divination in this kind of a way, whether you're reading tea leaves or coffee grounds or doing the iching or tarot, it's a huge step in this direction. And I think then it's just a matter of time until the astrology component comes into place and it's introduced to you properly. Because as is assumed within this conversation, it's much more than the skimpy little horoscopes that are written in the back. No, that's all we're talking about. We're talking about fortune cookies and horoscopes in the paper.

That's what we're talking about. Yeah. And that was kind of always my perception of it. Like I survived Naropa without even giving two shits about astrology. I would always lie to people when they would ask me my sign and just play with it. Oh, really? Oh, it's kind of a game. Because at a place like Naropa, before your name is even asked of you, it's like, "What's your sign? When are you born?" Right, right, right. How much? Capricorn. Can't you see it? I'm just like Zoe Dash, you know. But anyhow, yeah, so I just think it's a rewiring of consciousness, of course, that the planet allies help us with.

Especially if you're doing the armfuls of doses. Yeah. And then try blindfolding yourself, putting some earplugs in and sitting, or sitting, you know, in your own little sesheen for a couple hours. And things kind of happen. So when it came to me, it actually made a lot of sense. All I had to do was learn the symbols, learn some of the techniques. And then it became this term that I use often called cosmonosis. Yes. And it's distilling this true wisdom that's alive from the cosmos. Right. Which are one and the same if you really get to it. But obviously, you know, when we say this, and this is why a lake kind of how astrology fits into like the modern schematics of the world.

You know, it can sound highfalutin. It can sound detached from the day to day world. But in fact, what's embedded in that is that, you know, the sacred is in the mundane. They're one and the same. So having some resource or tool or map of this terrain based on linear timing. And I mean, I'd love to hear, because I believe both of these things at once, which is somewhat paradoxical. I believe that time is ultimately a complete illusion. I think this is, you know, backed up by modern physics and just intuition. However, like no one's going to deny that it's 12, 19 p.m. in Eastern time right now. Like it's we are fixed on some grid of time where we measure things.

The revolution of the planets is actually how we come up with our day cycle. The solar and the, you know, well now we're on the solar cycle. We're on the lunar cycle at one point. But, you know, this is what defines us. So how do you kind of interpret that synthesis of the one and the duality and how that kind of fits into astrology and our lives as individuals and even collectively? I like this question. It's a good one because astrology ultimately is a study of time. Right. And when you look in astrology chart, it's not a line graph. You know, it's a circle and things are moving in these circles.

And it gets really strange when you apply. Like, well, like Rick Tarnas does in his book is these planetary pairs. And so like a cycle say between the sun and the moon. Well, that lasts 29 and a half days. So there's a certain time signature to the way the moon is felt. And the moon relates to our own personal experience, our subconscious and the way emotions. Surfed through us. Right. And so that has its own time signature. Right. Like when we get lost in an emotion or through a memory or just any deep thing that like takes us. Like that time signature is the moon. And now you look to father time.

Lord of karma Saturn. And he has a very different time signature. In fact, he works. You can track it in seven year cycles. You've heard of the seven year itch. Yes. But his whole orbit from sidereal degree to sidereal degree is called the Saturn return. And in my eyes, it begins on our 10,000th day. Which is like around 27 and a half when we're that old. And then ends on our 30th birthday. A lot of other astrologers would say different, but it's, you know, around 29, 30 is when we have our Saturn return, our first one. Sure. But 10,000 days, not only is it a tool album and tool has a song about the Saturn return.

Yeah. But this number is really important because if you skimp it down to hours, like 10,000 hours is that number of mastery. If we do something fully for 10,000 hours, like we should be pretty damn competent with that activity, right? Right. Well, that's also what Saturn relates to is mastery over three dimensional space. And so when we think about the Saturn return, we should, well, not necessarily be a master in like the gray endist of senses, but hopefully a master of ourselves to a good extent. We know what our Dharma is. We know how to take care of ourselves. We're an adult. We're grown up.

We're not living in our parents basement. All that kind of stuff we should have grown up around age 30, hopefully. Hopefully. Yeah. Control influences and circumstances aside. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. But like when we're talking about the soul and the spirit and like this idea of maturation, and so that time signature and, you know, both East and West with Saturn, he's Lord of Time. That's how things work. And I think that in developing things like patience, say with, with my iPod network, yeah, you can, you can look to the origin point, like the first time you put a podcast up for this, and you can cast a chart for it.

Oh, man, I want to do all of this. Yeah. If you know the day, I would love to do that for you. It would be really fun. And then my point though is like you have that chart, well, in the seven years is the first big test or maybe like a trophy ceremony to the creation of this. And that's also true in relationships, right? Like the seven year itch. That's where that term comes from, right? Not a lot of people in our generations make it past the seven year mark. Yeah. Because it's probably a pretty big transitional period. And you know, we can talk about the kind of the broader cosmic scene that we find ourselves in right now, not just seven years, but yeah, I mean, I, I don't find it surprising that people have a harder time staying emotionally, psychologically, and just kind of spiritually involved over a significant period of time, especially is, I don't know about you, but it feels like reality as we know it is not functioning the way that A, we were told or B, maybe how it has been in the past, who knows, you know, but it certainly seems like we're in a very cosmically significant transitional period.

And I often think about does everyone feel like that? You know, does every generation feel that this is the most significant transitional period of, and maybe, maybe that's just the metaphor for life and living life. But new media and communication certainly seems to have amplified some of the crazy shit that's going on. So I love this idea, though, of time signatures and the interplay of planets, I mean, it reminds me of one of my favorite concepts, which is the music of the spheres, right? Which is literally these patterns and relationships that exist. And I think one of the coolest one I've seen, it's like a gift that is always on Facebook and social media is the Venus transit, where they map out the linear one and it forms this amazing geometric pattern.

The five-pointed star. Yes, exactly, exactly. So all of this stuff, you know, a lot of people look at this, for me, it's weird when people look at all of this stuff and these patterns and the numbers and the influences and disregarded is kind of like, oh, well, that's just how this works. There's no other significance to it whatsoever. You know, this is just something that happens, like astronomy, for instance, right? There's not a lot of added psychic matter that goes into astronomy. It's an empirical study of the movement and that's it and kind of the relationship between. So what would you say is kind of the major, and you pointed this out in the other one, too, that at a certain point in time, astrology and astronomy were inexorably linked.

They were together, what do you think happened, I'm sure you know, in some ways, what happened and what is kind of the difference that you see in the approaches to astronomy and astrology? At this point? Sure. Yeah. I think, I mean, I wasn't around back then, I think it was a slow transition, but it was always my assumption that it was the church that made astrology duck beneath the surface for 300 plus years or whatever it was, but yeah, I've seen other sources and heard people talk about this. Colleagues of mine that it was really science, reason that there's still remnants of those viral memes in me, even, like when I think about certain things astrologically, like certain techniques, and what that I'm like, how is this even possible?

It's, you know, like as Terence always said, like life is stranger than we can even suppose. It's so true. And that's what astrology is to me. It's like a relationship to the mystery, like I don't need to apply my left brain to too much to the magic that constantly is coming through these charts and my work with clients and whatnot. And so, yeah, that happened around the age of reason, the scientific revolution and what not I think was like a huge blow to not just astrology, but to all esoteric traditions. And so it's slowly been making a comeback strangely enough, I read this article that made a really good case for pop astrology, that in the turn of the 20th century, when it got really big, like the idea of like the sun sign horoscope, like that hasn't been around forever, like people focusing on sun signs, like as far as I understand, and Vedic astrology, like the sun sign thing isn't even that big of a deal.

They focus more on the nakshatra of the moon. That's exactly right. I, for my Vedic reading, that's, there's, I have a whole book from the lady who did it. She sent it to me. It's this like huge book on just that, the moon's influence. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a different zodiac altogether. It's 27 signs, not 12, because the moon moves through one of these nakshatras every day, but, anyhow, it's somewhat of a new concept, but this guy, I forget his name at the moment, just made a really strong case for pop astrology and brought it all the way to the present. And when it comes down to pop astrology, the only person that I can really like tolerate and bow down to is Rob Bresney.

And you've probably read him before, he's in over 2000 publications across the world, his little horoscopes every week, and he's just, he's a great writer. The guy that wrote Pronoia, if you've seen that book around, it gets around, okay. I think he's in New York too, he's in your town. Rob Bresney? Rob Bresney. Yeah. He's in the back of like the local boulder free weekly paper and like I'll still read it every once in a while, just because it's so clever. And he's just a good, it's kind of like a Tom Robbins type sat. Cool. Cool. Slaver to it. Right. But yeah, like I've never resonated with it.

Like I've always had a very deeper version to the pop astrology idea, but this guy was making a case where if it wasn't for that, astrology would be dead. That's a really good point. Yeah. Because that was my first and probably many other people's first introduction. And you know, I would look when I was younger at the newspaper and look it for the cancer sign and I'd look on my birthday. And like I mentioned, the other one, my dad is into astrology. Right. My mom even would send me, you know, when it's my birthday, the astrological stuff. And it's something that still was there and around and we had access to.

And I think I even remember having like a yearly astrology book when I was younger, like 12 or 13 or something. So it was there. And that's a really good point that maybe in a very kind of saccharin or diluted form, but still it could be a gateway for people. Yeah, that's a really cool point. Yeah. And then like amidst that like little wave that kept it afloat, came the humanistic astrologers like Dane Rudjar and Alexander Rupperti, like these amazing thinkers, Carl Jung did it. I think a pretty damn good service for astrology as well in the 20th century. And then you have the psychological astrologers and the sixties and whatnot that come about like Liz Green and Stephen Arroyo and Stephen Forest and even like Rob Han, like these are huge names in the astrology world that are still alive today, most of them.

And it was like a fusion between like Jungian psychology and spirituality. Yes. Yes. And then amazing. This is like, yes, continue, continue. And that's, I mean, that was the first stepping stone I had into it, very specifically evolutionary astrology is the branch of the astrology tree that convinced me of the efficacy of astrology and it was through Pluto and the nodes, like this guy, Jeff Green wrote these two books back in I think the seventies or maybe early eighties about Pluto and it's some deep shit about like the soul's intention to incarnate, to experience these specific trauma. That's my shit right there.

That's literally another thing that's been popping up in my life is A, I found myself saying it and I very rarely have the balls to go out on kind of a spiritual limb and say something like, Hey, I think we're here for a reason. I think this is what we should be doing. Try to remember what it is. And I found myself saying that repeatedly over the past like month and a half, you know, whether I've had that idea in my head or not, I typically tend not to vocalize those things. That to me is a fascinating concept of which I completely identify with whether it's the Bodhisattvas vow to reincarnate and have an intention for being here or just collectively that we have made a conscious decision as individuals and a collective to incarnate in this specific place.

I find that fascinating. Can you talk a bit about that? No. Yeah. No, no, it's a secret. So if that's your shit, then I mean, you are getting roped in for a reason because you can see all of that within the natal chart. Like those questions can be answered. What is the soul's purpose? What is the like my biggest fascination with astrology that was then and it always will be is the stories of our lives, which relate to the nodes of the moon that create eclipses. And it's also a damn dragon and I've always been fascinated by dragons. And so the nodes of the moon are just the most mind boggling points and they're not even visible in the sky.

All this is the intersection between the path of the moon and the sun. And so there are these invisible points in Vedic astrology, they call them shadow planets. And yeah, you can see the story of your life, past, present and future within that thing. And it can be altered as long as our relationship to the dragon along the hero's quest is constantly addressed. Right. Like we can write the story of chorus and that's where the north note comes into play. And so all of that is also my shit. And there's not one day that goes by when I'm not engaged within this material, whether I'm giving readings or I'm teaching to my students where you drop in with some of these outer planets like Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, Chiron and the nodes.

And it's reassurance that you get day in and day out that we live in a magical cosmos. Right. And there is this thing that is beneath all of it that has been around for a very long time and now that it's coming back in this really potent way to where there are healing implications. Yes. In the power of language and in our own capacity of asking questions and weaving together analogy and metaphor and whatnot, you can change a person's life with an astrology reading. Absolutely. I mean, the resonance that can't be faked with this stuff is ultimately what keeps the momentum and the re-emergence it sounds like going.

This is always my final arbiter of a belief system or something and I caution to say final. But if I have a direct experience of something, you can't just shake it off. You're like, nah, and if you get a few direct experiences of something, it really just solidifies into something that it's not like a misremembered idea or concept or experience. It's like, nah, that should definitely happen. Even if it doesn't fit into the current paradigm of how you view the world. So when we're talking about soul's purpose and incarnation into this world, you mentioned that we have some ability to not only view and kind of read what's going on, but also influence events.

To me, this touches on a very cool concept. One that I don't have a problem, even though they seem kind of paradoxical, is this idea of free will and karma. It's something that I know you know about this because you know about the Spobota books. He definitely, the third one is all about karma. It's actually my least favorite of the three, but I think it's some of the best stuff he covers because it's a lot about the horse racing and I'm like, nah, not super into it. But the idea of karma in that I think is one of the most lucid explanations of how this stuff can function in relation to free will and you know past karma and karma we're creating.

So how do you kind of view the interplay of free will related to astrology and karma? The one question to rule them all. I'll say this, when I first started studying astrology, I was fully in the free will camp, thinking that yeah, the fate and the way a lot of Vedic astrologers specifically use astrology just not into it. And ten years of doing this and especially dabbling in Vedic astrology, I will say this now, they have a few techniques that fuck with your relationship to free will. And so also then experiencing some of this particular trans is like once in a lifetime trans it's that happens, say from Pluto or Uranus or Neptune, like we only get to get those gifts once in a lifetime and having an experience then I'm like, yeah, there is a faded component to this whole thing absolutely.

And so when it comes down to the free will, it's, and this is how I work with the energy like say, I know Pluto who can bring a lot of pain and suffering to a person depending on where they're at in relationship to say that area of their life. If I see that a big Pluto transit is coming within the year or two or three or something close for a person, like my job is to inspire them in the deepest of ways to get all of that right. Like the little death that need to happen before you get just walloped by this energy that you can prepare for it. And so there's a lot to that, you know, like just being in training for whatever to come.

And our own practices too, like just our relationship to impermanence, our relationship to soul, our relationship to time and all that love. And then when the transit comes, then where the free will also comes in is the way that we respond. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because we can respond like, let's take a really quick one. That's actually happening at the moment, which is Mercury retrograde. Yes. All right. So Mercury is retrograde at the moment. It's retrograde for three weeks, every three months. And people like little fledgling astrologers or pop folk that like the, you know, point fingers at Mercury retrograde and blame every single mishap in their life to this little silvery planet in this guy.

I think I do that, unfortunately. I'm sorry. Well, we have to understand like I call them MRIs, Mercury retrograde interventions. Like there's something very real and tangible to Mercury retrograde moments, but the whole point of Mercury is perception. When a planet is retrograde, it's closest to the earth. And so in Mercury's case, it sweeps through between the earth and the sun. And I think that these interventions are gifts and he is a trickster. He's a wily coyote man with wings on his feet and he has a way of really messing some shit up, especially technology. And if you can train your mind to where every time an MRI comes around, so you can be asking the question, why?

What am I really supposed to be doing right now? How can I be? So here's my MRI for this time. A bunch of my calendar went missing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was terrible, man. And so yeah, a handful of readings, appointments and other ways just went missing. And so I kind of rely on my calendar. I don't tend to remember things a month out. And so when it comes around to that time, if it's not my calendar, it doesn't exist. Totally. And I was just getting sideswiped by these missing appointments. It was really intense. And well, the lesson was pretty simple, get a real calendar, Adam. It's good.

It's good. Yeah. It's an easy solution actually. Yeah. Yeah. Get something to write him. When was the last time you did that? And say, yeah, I went out and got a journal with a calendar in it and we're good. Yeah. But yeah. So these things happen. So that's a micro example. But you take it on a macro with like those transpersonal planets like Pluto, Uranus and Neptune. It's a little bigger. We're talking about life changing events. And so if we can ask the same question, like, why is this happening right now? And if we can find an answer quicker, then we're going to be better off, like the transition, the healing, the mending, the regeneration is all going to be much swifter if we respond in a good way.

Right. And ultimately, when shitty stuff happens, shitty in quotes or negative experiences, no one likes to hear this when they're going through them and caught in it that this is an opportunity for transformation and for growth and recognize it. And when you're in it, you're like, fuck this. But if you like you're saying you have some inkling that this could be a transformative event, even if it's not comfortable, it changes our relationship to quote unquote negative events. And we're going to go through them joyfully, like, you know, if someone close to us dies who we love, we're not going to be ecstatic and happy like a lunatic.

But we can have the seed of perspective that can grow with the passage of time to appreciate what that actually meant for our lives because you alluded to it. You know, the story of our life, our lives is a very poignant idea. I recently went to this life after death talk with Alex Gray and Dr. Raymond Moody who wrote a life after life and, you know, the near death book. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Super cool dude. And you know, he's he's older. I think he's like 82 and he's very scientific and empirical. He does not really go to speculation, though, very often, at least not publicly because that's, you know, that's not his prerogative.

However, you can tell he's someone who clearly understands the relationship between spirit and the world. And one of the things he said that I thought was fascinating is what he thinks our 3D reality is is essentially a background for us to play out our stories, which is generated by spirit. And that's for us to learn and interpret and appreciate, you know, relationships, ideas, concepts, things like that. And he really views this as a kind of shared collective backdrop that we're all kind of like, hey, we we agree that this is real. So now let's play out all of this other stuff that we need to work through.

And I love that, you know, kind of what you're saying here with the astrology stuff is some of this gives us some insight into the stories or kind of energies that may be moving around us and influencing us. And I mean, this is the whole as above so below as within so without idea. So yeah, I love I love this man. I'm like, all right, let me ask you this, because it's, I can't believe we've already done 40 minutes, what, you know, we got another half an hour and us, I think, but what, what would you say for someone who's listening to this? And they're like, I'm, I'm interested. You've piqued my interest in kind of the different ways astrology works and the different levels of it.

Where would you recommend someone start in terms of understanding this for themselves or getting some, you know, a boost in this direction? Get a reading. Yeah, I think getting a really wonderful astrology reading is the end. And then once that's there, you know, for example, when I do it, I record it, I send them their charts. And so it lives on like I always re listen and see the charts and whatnot. And then, you know, there's some self study, this book recommendations that I could offer and my own podcast, like my own podcast, I think is entertaining without even know astrology that much, but there's hundreds of them.

I think there's over 300 exploring astrology podcasts at this point. And so that's another thing. Yeah. You've been doing this for eight years, right? I mean, that's pretty fucking awesome. That's really committed. Well, yeah, I mean, it's obvious, you know, in speaking with you that this is something that is very important in your life and it's not just on one level. It's not just like an intellectual thing. It's something that resonates deeply, which I always love connecting with people who kind of have found their zone for this period of time. And I just love that this idea of, you know, one of the cool things since I just moved to the Hudson Valley.

And we can actually see the stars now, which is incredible. Like it's it's I actually for the first time that I can remember, you know, from living in cities and but now here I can see the moon move across the sky as I take my dog out every night. So like when you say that it moves through very quickly, every day, like I actually know what that means now, because I'm like, oh, the moon was over there. Now it's behind my house. And it's anyone who hasn't done it in a while, if you can, just go out at night on a clear night and look up if you can see like that, that's, people have been doing that since people have been people, like it's an incredible experience to know that, you know what I mean.

And it really does put you in touch into this kind of cosmonosis as you put about. Could you speaking of that term, could you define that like a little bit further in terms of what that it's obviously a very broad and cool term, but could you give a little more perspective on on what that means to you? Yeah, definitely. Cool. I'm going to answer it by your experience of sky gazing because it's my sentiment or by feeling that astrology doesn't make full sense unless you actually are connecting with the sky. And I can't tell you how many astrologers I know or just friends that I know that have no connection whatsoever to the sky.

Like when I point up, I'm like, yep, there's Venus in the evening sky even though she's a morning star at the moment or there's Jupiter. So tonight when you go outside around 10 o'clock or close to midnight, you'll see that that little yellow sapphire in the sky, the brightest thing that's up there is Jupiter. Oh, no, shit. Right. And like you can connect to all these planets and you brought up the Venus synodic cycle. And so here's my answer, like by connecting in three dimensional space to these planets and the changing of the constellations and being able to understand, say, where it falls in one's chart that is in one's own lived experience, something happens.

Like you're bridging these two different realities which possibly are the same. And then by watching it and living and really listening to the synchronicities and the intuitions and watching the dreams and just seeing it from all different directions, it all comes together. And once it's not intellectual, it's a lived experience. And that's to me true wisdom is when the heart and the mind are on the same frequency. And you can do this very much. When you look at the sky, I mean, what do you feel but awe? Yeah, exactly. It's the one time that I overuse the superlative awesome more than anyone and have him.

But it actually is appropriate when you're looking at the sky. Some awe, awe, awe. Yeah, like I think it was one of the original meditations, like as we transition from tree swinging primates into these bipedal artistic critters, like looking at the sky and trying to make sense of it. So you mentioned evolutionary astrology as being a particular branch you're interested in. Could you give kind of what does that mean and how does that how does it work? Yeah. First of all, there's two main astrologers who kind of have their schools with an evolutionary astrology. I'm not a part of either of them.

So I don't call myself an evolutionary astrologer. I just think of myself as an astrologer sitting beneath the astrology tree with branches. I love that that's my general outlook on all spiritual traditions. I don't call myself a Buddhist, even though I do some Buddhist meditations. I don't call myself a bhakti, even though I have a bhakti guru, like, you know, we're all talking about the same stuff here and not in like a just a naive kind of, yeah, it's all the same, like, no, when you really dive deep into this stuff, you recognize. It's all my... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we find each other under the tree.

Yeah, exactly. It's just fun. Everyone else is in the branches too. Yeah, exactly. It's much, much. There's a lot of shade up there on the very top, I suppose. But anyhow, evolutionary astrology is this assumption that plays on the Buddhist idea of reincarnation. In fact, in Tibetan astrology, they use certain time-lord techniques. And I think synestry, like, we talked about last time, like, using charts to charts to find Tokus. So reincarnated masters. In fact, the story of Trumpa is fascinating in his autobiography around that. Which is what? I don't know it. The one that he wrote, I think, is called something about Tibet.

Oh, it's been years, man. I read it at Naropa, but it tells his story of, like, you know, the Toku experience and then living in the monastery and then China invading, he was, like, 15 years old, and thousands of people over the Himalayas, stuff like this. But it's woven within their tradition to, like, recognize the Tokus. That's right. But so that's an assumption within evolutionary astrology, and that can be used in a number of ways. But with Pluto, like, as the soul's intention, which is, like, the Jeff Green camp and then Stephen Forrest, who's one of my favorite old wizards, he uses the nodes of the moon.

And in a really magical way. What does node mean, exactly? A node. So it's, like, two points along the ecliptic that are perfectly opposite, like these nodes and what they are is the intersection points between the sun and the moon's pounds. I see. Okay. Cool. Got it. Yeah. So, yeah, it's like working with past lives and the idea of, like, one's potential and all of this kind of stuff. There's a lot of really good techniques and ideas within both of those schools. For me, I don't work with past lives, unless I'm doing holotropic breathwork and combination with astrology or, like, I don't regress people or anything, but I don't think it's that valuable to talk about past lives because it's just another thing for the ego to grab onto.

Well, can I, I don't want to keep talking about this, but I want to point out a function of why we may not remember past lives. It's not just, like, some random quirk. I, I point this out a lot when the idea of reincarnation comes up. Let's say we remembered everything. So let's assume that there's past lives and we could remember that would, that would be horrible. Can you imagine having to remember to remember your last death, your last thousand deaths vividly in detail, like, no, like, that's not something we want to be, you know, if you're reaching in, you want to be an enlightened master, go for it.

But I mean, most of us are probably not prepared, you know, as evidenced by some difficult trips that we want to be remembering in full, you know, are, are full of full gents and memories. So I do think there's a function for that too. It's not just like some convenient thing that people can point to and be like, well, yeah, why don't you remember them? And it's like, well, maybe there's a, there's a linearity or an unfolding of this that there's some significance there. But yeah. Okay. Sorry to cut you off. I like that. Yeah. I like that. And I don't know if you're familiar with Sriara Bendo. Of course, I, I'm familiar in the sense that I've read, uh, many quotes, um, enjoy many quotes.

I have the life divine and my bookshelf downstairs, I have not been able to crack that thing. I got, I got like 20, 30 pages in. I'm like, these are the thinnest pages I've ever seen. There's like a thousand more. I don't know if this is going to be something I can undertake right now, but yeah, I have it. I completely understand. I feel the same about Finnegan's wig. It's kind of similar thing. It's just daunting. It's daunting stuff. But yeah, he, uh, you know, being from Indiana, I, this isn't a astrology quote or anything, but, um, like there's this idea that comes from him. I might have got it from that book.

I don't know. Maybe it was just a quote that I saw and like, but when past lives come up, they come up for one reason and that's to be extinguished and the karma burned out of them. Mm. Mm. You know, I, I butchered the quote, but no, but that makes it make sense. Yeah. That's the idea. And, and so like in the very beginning, cause I was very influenced by this branch of astrology, I would talk about it. And then it never felt right in my body when I would do it. And then I started noticing that the only thing that people were remembering, a lot of my clients were the fictions that we would play with around their past lives.

Mm. And I don't think that's necessarily, uh, that helpful, because they're just holding on to another story. It's like this story and this life is enough to work with because the stories are illusory anyway. And if you put another story to it, you're like, Oh, I'm just wait because I was Jack Kerouac and a different, that's why I like wine so much shit. Oh, God, man, yeah. That's really funny. And it's really true too. I mean, I, I haven't done any past life regressions. I believe, um, and past lives, I've, I've talked about this on a few podcasts. I, I have a, a, a very confident feeling that in one of my more recent past lives, I was probably a woman just because there's some aspect of the feminine that I noticed many of my male peers cannot tap into.

Um, I noticed this, especially when my son was born, like as soon as he was born, like holding him and like, you know, making him feel secure was like such a natural thing for me to, it just felt like I had done this before. So I do believe in it, but it's not something I actively explore or dwell or focus on precisely for the reason you're saying like the, I mean, can you imagine if we all had access to our previous stories and lives and like how the ego, like you said, would just play with that and love that? Like, I mean, that is, that is just a pitfall made for everyone. So I totally get that.

Yeah, like just to, to look at the other side in the argument, because there are a lot of astrologers that are weaving the two of them together. Right. Like, I, one of my ex students does regression work with astrology and I think it can be really powerful. Right. Um, can be my experience. Yeah. It's just another thing to hold on to. And, you know, another quote about past lives, tick not Han, well, if you boot it, lovely Buddhist teacher, he says, to understand past lives look no further than the moment, like it is here, like no matter if we're going to create a past life fiction or just focus on what's going on in the moment when you're looking at an astrology chart, for example, I don't think it matters.

And I think it's actually more powerful to be addressing what's actually surfacing now instead of going backwards. Cool. Yeah. So I have something that's so fucking right too. I mean, that's the essence of everything right now. I mean, it's why Ronda wrote the book here now, I mean, it's literally, that's it right there. Um, can you talk a little bit about, um, archetypal influences related to planets? And I think I saw when you were recommending, um, uh, uh, Tarnas's book, Cosmos and Psyche. It immediately made me think of Psyche and Matter, which is a book by Marie Louise von Franz, who's Young's main translator, um, and it, it's one of my favorite books.

It's also one of the hardest books I've ever read. It's just the densest, most ridiculous things. And she talks about number being kind of a primordial archetype. And I think she has another book that specifically delves into that, but she really spent a decent amount of time and looking at patterns and number, um, and it's clear when you're looking at astrology that numbers are involved, right? We're talking about degrees. We're talking about relationships and patterns. So what does, how to, how do the archetypes manifest within astrology within our lives? I mean, they're multivalent, right? Like take a planet like Mars, for example, you ask how as an archetype that might manifest, so every single time you pick up anything made of iron, or if you work out with a kettlebell or something like that, like that's Mars.

Every time you eat a beet and poop red, that's Mars. Every time you get into a conflict with someone and you want to hit something, that's Mars, any violent encounter in life, any animal that can rip your head off, anything that sharp or poisonous. That's all the archetypes showing up, right? And then when it comes down to the, like the four dimensional spaces or like what it might show up like in dreams and stuff like this, it has a really strong personal filter, first of all, like for example, in the dream world, like where bullies show up or like when you're being chased by a lion or something like this, like that's where Mars is showing up.

And then like in say the causal realm, like in its perfect form, I think that's where the deities come into play. So Mars, Ares, literally. Yeah, yeah. I was so kept popping into my head as you were saying Mars, I'm like the Ares, right? I mean. Yeah, the same same, Greco-Roman, yeah. But also all the heroes like Hercules and Perseus and Theocles, like heroes, right? It shows up in the hero in any journey, right? So Mars, again, and then in India, like the greatest example of the Mars journey period is Arjuna and Krishna's story in the Bhagavad Gita. Right, right. There you go. Like that's your answer.

That's the highest expression of the story of Mars and how we can fight. But fight our cousins and fight our kin and fight what was the demons of the mind? It's all these thought forms. It's all of these archetypes that are dancing around inside of our consciousness. Oh, man. This is so fucking cool. It's like, I mean, incredibly grateful that Stephanie thought to connect us because this is it's happening at a very synchronous time in my life where this stuff is really coming to the surface. And I'm also seeing how all this stuff connects and to be able to talk with you who you clearly have many different perspectives and have delved deeply into the heart of astrology, which is fucking amazing, man.

You're able to talk about so many different aspects of things that I've studied or came across independently and they all shit in perfectly and it's really cool. Yeah, and I'm still a noob. Well, that's the mark of a true talent is someone who recognizes that there's still so much more to learn and is humble about it. But I mean, truthfully, I've spoken to people about astrology before and not as in depth as this, but the way you're kind of able to weave it in, not only into the broader kind of macrocosmic angles, but the more practical, like, how does this work in our lives type of thing. Like, that's what it's about.

Like, it's all great to talk about this stuff, you know, and intellectually, you know, conceptually I, you know, analyze, but really, like, if you can't use it in your life in some real way, it's not that it's not as interesting. It certainly is not something that will be with you for any extended period of time because the ways of the world, you know, the ordinary world quote unquote, you know, they tend to have a way to to get in. So yeah, man, all right, well, let let's say a few things. One is I'd love to have you on again. I'd love to just stay connected and continue in doing this and maybe even figure out some way to weave a connection between our podcast because I think there's a lot of crossover.

And so like, we'll just make the commitment, if you're up for it to do this relatively regularly because I just think there's, there's a rich spectrum of things for us to investigate here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we could, we could even plan it in an electional sense by like trying to congregate right before full moons or I'm with it. Well, actually better this new moon tomorrow, plus new moon tomorrow. So maybe new moons we get together and dude, I'm with it. I'm with it. And people will enjoy it too. So I want to get to the last questions I ask. And I'm not going to give you the cautionary thing that I've been giving in the past few episodes about favorites.

I think you'll get it. But what's your favorite color? Ocean blue. Oh, I love it. That's my favorite color too. What's your favorite number? 17. Oh, cool. That's my wife's favorite number. And you were the only two I know who, why 17? 17. It goes way back to when I was a little kid. I think it was my first number in sports. And then I always carried it on my back all the way through high school and all my favorite players too, like when I was in the sports a lot, I had it and then it just follows me around. For example, I just moved from Southern Colorado. I was living in the San Luis Valley close to Crestone in the highway that goes straight through this huge valley as highway 17.

And it's also called the Cosmic Highway. That's pretty good reason. I mean, there's a UFO watchtower. There's an alligator farm. There's yes, hippies everywhere for a good reason. That's awesome, man. Well, I, 17 is Ryan Tannehill. I'm a huge Miami Dolphins fan. So I, I'm with it, man. I'm with it. It's also, I find it interesting that there's this sports connection between number and how that can be a lot deeper than just the, the sports level to it because I'm a, my favorite number is 13. I'm a, I, my sports hero of my entire life will be Dan Marino and he's number 13 and there's this whole connection there, but I was born in Miami.

Where are you? Or Fort Lauderdale. Or you're not a Dolphins fan? I'm not really a football fan, but it's a, it's a, it's a terrible sport. It's a horrible, horrible being upon society. It's fun. Oh, it's incredibly fun. It ended, but I mean, I, I love it to death. I, I truthfully it's a, it's like a, it's like eating bacon or something. You know, it's like, it's a shitty, horrible thing to do, but I actually don't love bacon. So I'll, I trade football for bacon. There you go. Um, what is your favorite animal? Mm. Dolphin. Mine too. Look at that dolphins blue, I think it's like coming back to the fact that I need to go to a Miami dolphin.

Okay. First of all, listen, you got ocean blue. You got number 17, Ryan Tan, a whole starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins and you got dolphins. You're the, I think you're the only other person to date who has shared my favorite animal, which is dolphin. Um, I'm with it, man. Okay. Last question. Uh, what's a practical tip you could share with people listening that has helped you in your life? Hmm, practical tip. I think that, and this is the case with any practice that you might have instead of thinking that you need to set aside time in the day to do it and create expectations and intensity around that little notch within your day.

You figure out a way to live it towards always happening, right? Like, for me being, this is, you know, you're on the computer a lot too. Like I can't sit, for example, in front of the computer for longer than an hour. So it's really hard. Totally. Totally. And so every time I step off of the computer, the first thing that happens is there's like, I adjust my body, I got bars and rings and kettlebells, like all around me, my yoga mat, and I just get like, do kind of like interval training, like 10, 20 minutes. Yes. I get fully back into it, walking is huge, and like always stepping away from this because there is a lot of powerful energy coming off of these machines.

Totally. And like it has to always be cleaned out, like throughout the day, and so that's the powerful thing. It's funny you say this because literally once we hang up here, I'm going to go jog because I do that after I sit down. It's something I like I feel compelled to do because got to get it out, got to get it out. Cool. Dude. So much for coming on. Let's talk via email about setting up some regular thing about how we could do this because you are awesome. You're awesome, Noah. I'm glad you think so. It's just good. Yeah. Cool, man. Well, we'll be in touch. Beautiful. Have a great day. You too, buddy.

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And we're wrapping up, as I record this on Thursday, May 11th, we're wrapping up the last live discussion that we did for this beta group of people. We had about 20 people taking the course. I am launching the full version of that course later this month. Most likely May 30th, that's the target date right now. We'll see if that happens, if the chips fall, where they need to fall, that's what's going to happen. I'm going to have plenty of opportunities and put it out there for people to sign up. It's going to be a general signup. There's going to be a limited number of seats and spaces available, because I don't want it to get too big, so I can't manage it and give the time that's needed to the people who are signing up for it.

But I'm giving you, as a listener of synchronicity, kind of first crack at it. So I'm just mentioning that now. This song, I started a month ago, finished it. This is the finished product. I'm relatively happy with it. I hope you enjoy it. If you're looking to ramp up your creative output or engage your own creativity or just finally finish stuff that you started or meet other creative people, this course has been helpful for a lot of people so far and I think it could help you. So I don't want to do a whole long ad here at the end of the episode, but I'm letting you know now in advance of all the other people, you know, since you've tuned into this whole episode.

So thank you again to everyone who has contributed on Patreon, donations, rating, reviewing. Really, your support is instrumental in helping me take this podcast to the next level. We have some really, really fucking cool stuff coming up, especially if you're on the East Coast. I don't want to get too ahead of myself, but there is a New York City event shaping up fairly sizable. In New York City, August, mid-August, I will give you dates and details as the time comes. But yes, thank you to people who have supported this show. You're awesome. I really do appreciate it, and I will see you next week.