Connection, Identity Politics and Ayahuasca with Anna Lundgaard Lewis

[Music] this is synchronicity this is synchronicity this is synchronicity this is synchronicity welcome to synchronicity my guess this week is Anna Lengard Lewis I know Anna for several years now we used to put on the well-being in the modern age events also known as Whitma she still does that with my good friend Jen Soudini and the next event for Whitma is in Los Angeles on 420 yeah I promise you I am still no longer involved in the planning but that's still the date so for details on this please go to whitmalive.com and if you stay tuned to the end of the episode I'll have a little discount code for you if you're interested in going and you're in the LA area Anna what's there to say about Anna so I got connected with her like I said early on from our mutual friend Soud to Simone who's been on the podcast before a lovely human being connected to me with many other awesome people too like Miles Neil, black school people he's Soud is a wonderful connector but Anna and I worked on this event together and it was a really really nice getting to know her she's Danish a Dane Scandinavian and something you'll learn in this episode is that the power that women hold in Scandinavian countries but especially the socialist countries where there's more equality at least in terms of pay and just status in society is something you don't encounter all the time and I know that western women in general are especially compared to you know places like Saudi Arabia or somewhere where you're not allowed to drive or more empowered but there's a directness and quality about Anna that immediately struck me and you'll hear it in this episode very powerful very refreshing to come across and she's doing some cool stuff in what I consider a very difficult place to try to hold space for people so you would think paradoxically that if you're throwing or putting on conscious events with mindful teachers and people who are in the industry to better other people's lives you would think that this would go relatively smoothly and yeah one time listeners of this podcast know that I've been behind the scenes enough for a lot of these large nonprofit spiritual new age religious institutions to know that unfortunately that's not how it works just because you know everyone is trying to better people's lives doesn't necessarily mean that they're easy to deal with or they don't have egos or there's not problems or there's not shadow aspects of of doing these types of things so I really really really love watching and hearing and talking to Anna about what it's like to put on these events we've done it together I've done other one she's done other ones and what very quickly happens a lot of the time is you realize that people are people regardless of what their intentions and aspirations are it requires a tremendous amount of training and practice with some grace mixed in to really you know develop a true sense of equanimity and egalitarianism especially when you're putting on events in the mindful spiritual realm so we get a little bit into that but and there's no better person than Anna for this because she's so direct and she really just shoots from the hip she used the fun term that I hadn't heard before she said straight from the liver talking straight from the liver and I like that and I think it's important I think more people need to do that especially in this realm of consciousness mindfulness psychedelics there's far too much you know persona crafting and image crafting and I was talking about this I think with my mom the other day by the way went to a dispensary in Massachusetts theory wellness interesting interesting prices are just it's highway robbery but an interesting thing that you can buy legal weed about an hour away from where I am in New York I went with my mom so that's why I got on that side track but I was talking with my mom about you know how this stuff really does bubble up a lot and that these egos and personalities and trying to figure out how to make money and again and again I hear the stories from friends who are both in the industry or are you know looking up to or consuming information and stuff from people in the industry that there's a sense of kind of jadedness coming in to people are getting jaded from a lot of this stuff because you know they have a teacher who you know got me too or did something ethically that was completely improper did something weird with the money or fucked over someone they knew whatever it is and this type of stuff like really has the downside of turning people off to what might be valid you know modalities for healing so anyway long story short with Anna she's great the episode is great shouldn't that just be the intro just me saying yeah it's great it's great let's get to the show one other thing that is going on at Whitmo which I really was happy to hear is Anna has a panel about identity politics and you don't hear enough about this I feel like again it's kind of like a spiritual bypass a lot you know you don't hear enough voices from women or non-white people usually in these types of things and having a conversation about that and including those voices is critical right and a few episodes coming up we'll deal with that a little bit more and everyone can be doing something to kind of improve that situation because if we're drowning out voices or we're just yelling at people who disagree with us or we're labeling people you know social justice warriors or Nazis just willy nilly that doesn't create any type of platform for healing so I really like that Anna has incorporated that into Whitmo because I think if you're not doing that you're kind of just missing this broader cultural thing that's happening I talk about this a lot with Michael Donovan on our calls it's like there's something clearly happening there is the fabric of our society is becoming somewhat unwoven and I don't think it's like someone taking a scissors and cutting through it but if someone's pulling not someone threads are being pulled out and we need to you know figure out like why do we need to weave something new was this good that it's pulling out what can we create out of this so I took that quilt analogy pretty far farther than I intended how about we get to the episode anything to promote this week no you're off the hook your ears get a break from me shilling stuff uh next week I'll be back shilling things though uh that's it how about that without further ado here is Anna Lengard Lewis take a body down town take a body down town take a body down town thanks for coming on thank you for having me um I'm excited to talk to you not only for the podcast but also because we haven't connected for a while at least not on a on a long call so that's gonna be fun I know I know a lot lots of stuff has happened I'm sure with you as well well I know a lot of stuff has happened with you and there's a few things that I've seen I of course like a lot of my friends who I don't speak to all of the time I follow from afar on social media and things and I see some of the things you've been doing uh you and Zane your your awesome partner um and I definitely want to hear about those but I thought since I kind of know who you are we've worked together we've known each other for a decent amount of time uh if you could give a little bit of background about kind of who you are where you where you came from and kind of how you got into this and I'll provide some context that you and I uh founded and started the Whitmore Live the well-being in the modern age events um which you now run with the lovely Gen Soudini so that's our context for knowing each other but what was kind of like well I don't even know this specifically what was your journey from growing up into you know throwing events that are meant to kind of raise consciousness and bring awareness to things that otherwise might not be you know people might not be talking about hmm that's such a good question because I I tend to ask myself these questions from time to time you know when you wake up one day and you're like how the fuck did I get into like how I didn't do this yes yes I feel more or less that that's my life story to be honest with you I I I'm and Danish I grew up in Denmark and I'm born and raised my entire family is still in Denmark um and since I was a kid I just have always had this like hunger for like I'm such a curious soul and I've always been so hungry to to hear people out and to learn different ways of doing life and to learn different ways of and people's different take on life now if you are from Denmark you'd also know especially because I'm from the countryside at Denmark and Denmark is so lovely and there's so much beauty and so much equality and so much you know it's a very easy place to grow up because you're so protected and supported at the same time there's like zero diversity right right you know like that's also a bit of a a lot of people probably get mad at me for saying that but at least where I grew up there was like there's really very very little diversity and I mean I this sounds horrible like I don't even think I think like the first black person I saw I was probably like 16 or something like in my country at least right right and um the only people from other inheritance um or like religious religious I don't know like cultural inheritance then Danish like born and raised or at least with two generations and something like that um we're like immigrants or you know like yeah like we're like their parents came as like seeking asylum and it's they're not super integrated and so I found this like deep like inspiration by like anybody that were a little different that seemed a little different I just had such an interest in like learning more and understanding more and um I remember like I became friends my sister went to school with them this family that came in from I think it was like some part of eastern europe anyway um and they opened like a pizza bar and we we like we we just hung out there I really once read to this family so like we we were invited to like family dinners and set on the floor I know this like in me because I also lived in New York for many years but like in in in the US that's just that's could be your neighbor you know but it just wasn't so growing up in that kind of way I went to boarding school and I was like 16 and that's when I really started like really started living and and being with so many different types of people and I really started um understanding that I really needed to get out like I really needed to grow and I really needed to expand and I really needed to like not be tied to these norms or you know there's a lot of there's a lot of humbleness in the whole Danish mentality because you're not really supposed to think you're better than anybody else it's a socialistic society and I am all for socialism and but at the same time um take with a grand assault because they can it's a it's an absolute opposite of America where you're like to like go for it and like do whatever you want and like you can be anything there it's very much like here are the frames within what you can do and here's the frames of like what you you know so um long story short I ended up actually um moving to Copenhagen and um starting um modeling and that was also kind of something that happened so randomly um and I remember even I was so determined that I I started renting an apartment for like two months and then I had to go back to my parents and then I found another apartment for like six weeks and then I went and had to go back to my parents and then my friend took me over to this like she's a lawyer now um but she she was working for uh she was assisting a long law firm and I think she had to go to this kind of meeting and the guy that she had to have a meeting that I went with and he owned the building so uh he was like well we have this little like I don't know what you would call an English like a almost like a club room like a little like a room for like students or like a room for people who are you know like you know studying or something and I wasn't but and he was like well I mean if you want you can have these rooms and I just said yes and it was I didn't had no idea where the money was going to come from because I wasn't really working at that level I didn't so I just said yes and for and and then I just and then I just realized like how I'm so I'm a pretty good manifestation and man if man if the stator like I I just then it just I have no again I have no idea how I managed to I had like a mattress and I borrowed a lamp from him and then it just like slowly started evolving to like oh well then the job started kind of came kind of started happening and then I was like well I kind of want to travel all the time but now I have this apartment so I got I took my entire savings and I asked the guy if I could please build a wall and divide the room up into two and he said sure so and then I built a temporary wall and then I rented the one of the rooms out so I didn't have this like big rent to pay and then I started traveling with work and met all these incredible people and eventually that led me to New York where in I lived in London I lived in Australia I lived in I was in Milan Paris like all these places but I eventually made me to Ebrotmanton York where I where I started working I was at that point I filled up a pretty decent modeling career and I was working with Boog and all these big big places and and clients like Sac and Nordstrom and all these like and so I was okay I was doing okay right right and then I on my last day before I was about to move back to New York I mean move back to Denmark I was actually like I kind of think I'm supposed to say and then I'm at Zane that night oh wow then the clouds over Iceland happened I don't know if you Europeans remember this but basically like there was a volcano that happened in Iceland that I guess like these clouds came out like this smoke came out so basically nobody could fly to Europe for like three weeks so I was stuck there and that's how I developed my relationship with my now husband it's it's what's really cool about your story is that you're acutely aware of kind of the polarities of where you grew up and kind of what you call lack of diversity relative to meeting different types of people but also some of the protection and kind of benefits of living in a kind of smaller socialized socialist country and then really having that desire to come out and meet new people like you described it a curiosity and recognizing kind of the the ups and I know this from our our personal conversations but the ups and downs of a place like the United States or New York which is the ultimate mixing pot right I mean it is the most diverse place I've ever been to I can't imagine there's some more diverse than it just because it's literally everything all of the time so from there once you're in New York and I know for those who don't know Zane is an accomplished artist very very talented really really awesome stuff what then kind of led to you recognizing that you know you had been a successful model you've done all these things you've had these experiences but there's something that kind of shifted you towards because by the time I met you you were like really interested we were having some pretty cool conversations about you know some of the more esoteric and mystical aspects of what we were trying to do kind of you know with business and spirituality for lack of a better term so what what kind of opened that world up to you or how did you integrate it into what you were doing otherwise yeah and thank you for leading me back on track I tend to like completely lose track no it's good it's I like your narratives they're awesome listen we've spoken on the phone long enough that I know what I'm getting here so no of course you're doing great okay well so when I when I so what actually happened is I've had a few people that has been sort of turning points in my life spiritually in like a better terms like you said um consciously and if we take it from New York because that side has already been spirituality etc has always been a part of my life I grew up with a very closeted but very open open spiritual mother so she was definitely closeted and now as I got older we kind of we can now because I demand I'm like I actually demand more of our conversations I'm like so actually I you know like I will actually I will set the bar to an extent where she can't she can't feel bad because like I've already I already sound ridiculous you may as well join me you know but you know I can understand in a country like Denmark it might be it might be hard because literally everybody around you don't get it so so what do you mean by closeted spiritual I like what are some of the things that you found out after you know that she was doing like what what does that mean to you yeah I mean I found out like now like last year that she has she's a Ricky practitioner oh like that hurts like what and like you know stuff like that that she's she's like I do this thing called Reiki so she's like taking classes before it was cool you know like and like when she was like 30 in her 30s while having three kids at home and like things she was going on a seminar you know what I mean wow so yeah she's in that way or she's been to a lot of healers and stuff and while I'm curating more and more events she's just attending everything and she's diving in it a hundred percent I really see wow this is something that you this is not new for you you have been practicing this your entire life and you just haven't told anybody yeah yeah but but when I came to New York I'll tell you one a couple of people really did it for me and Zane is a big portion of that because he really changed my perspective on what can happen if you believe in a creative force and creative to me too is you know the esoteric and the yes yes yes yes yes so but I met this wonderful man called Anthony the honi and he owned the movements along in New York he unfortunately passed two months ago I'm sorry to hear that I remember we were having conversations about that I'm so sorry to hear that yeah it's it's okay but he was he was such a beautiful being and and as with anybody who were really incredible beings also quite misunderstood because what he really did was he taught people what the beauty of touch means and if you sit and he's like when I met him he was like 77 you know so he had a movement along where they were teaching flates jerry tonics and body healing work and like body he had something called aim he called aim alchemy and movement and when I met him I just it was so incredible I don't know if I ever took you there I know no no we were going to yeah we didn't get a chance unfortunately yeah so it's located in east sorry I guess it's east village yeah um and I I started going there because someone referred me to I should start doing Pilates because it's this thing models do and so I walked in there and instantly I was like I just could breathe I was like there's something about this place that is just feeling like I'm more connected to myself and to my higher power I don't know and at that time maybe I should just mention that you know modeling for me has been like the opportunity that allows me to travel and to see the world I've not even honestly been focused on if I've been more focused on making a lot of money I probably would have made a lot more money right right because I never wanted to go to the events I never wanted to like go out with these like people that I should go out with I never want I was very much like I'll work and then I'll go home I didn't have any friends really in the fashion industry and the people who really wanted to be my friends and hang out it just made me so uncomfortable because I felt like I was one person when I was on set and one person when I left and I can go more into that later but basically I when I when I came in there and I started I don't know I started doing Pilates and this a couple of times a week but I started showing up like an hour two hours and out two hour and a half early and I just sat in there and just took up the energy and they just let you they just let you sit and it as you know in New York it's like that's that's a lot of time yeah yeah yeah it is everybody's so busy all the time but I just I just found it so soothing and then I like read a book or a journal or I just sit and then all of a sudden this guy Anthony who owned a place he invited me to come with him upstairs and we like started he was like asked me what my name was and he said I see you all the time what and then we just started working together where he basically was teaching me how to breathe how to open my heart how to these things where it just like I remember came home the first day I'd been with him for eight hours or something crazy and I completely lost track of time and I came home and I just told Zane like I think my life just changed and I just I just started I was like this is my balance but then the more like this is what can balance me out I'm so impressed with the people in the fashion industry that can can live be like or act maybe acting is kind of similar in the film industry that can kind of do both at the same time and be like of service and then be in an industry that requires so much from you and where it's it's so much about the way you look the way you talk yeah whatever I'm so impressed I have so much inspiration by those people but at the same time it's like I just I've never been able to yeah so the more I started getting into that and the more that we were like I really want you to start teaching I want you to start start working with people because you have a very specific kind of gift to like work with people and I and then I started like just doing it on top so I started like you know teaching classes or during private like in the morning and then I go to work and then I come back and this is this and eventually like my agency was like I don't think you should do that anymore because what if a client came in or it was it was a different time it's not like now it's cool to be yoga instructor you know yeah yeah yeah so I was like and also this is like kind of premature because this was I don't remember like it must be 2013 or something 14 15 so it's like pre pre instagram yes yes there's not the whole influencer yoga vibes high vibration hashtags everywhere yeah it's right kind of before the it's the cusp of that yeah I totally get it totally I mean instagram existed it was just not like the way that it is now yeah it's like how I would describe Facebook in like 2008 or nine when I started using it like with clients for business they didn't really build it out to be that yet but it the next few years that's what the whole thing became so yeah no it's like right before that's a very interesting time to to be getting involved you know especially and I don't want to lose this train of thought we're talking about but I find it incredibly interesting and insightful on your part to recognize the kind of dichotomy and split between being a model and having that be so about appearance looking and usually models are intended to sell something or use in an advertising sense one way or the other and recognizing when you left like that's not exactly who you were and you felt like you were two people that's a very interesting kind of vein for us to explore because I think now what's really you know this you know this right now what's happening I see the same type of thing happening in the creative spiritual consciousness world there's it's this there it's like you didn't think it could happen there but here we are where there's these persona splits one person looks like this they're the high vibe meditation person and then behind the scenes they're a raging nightmare so it's it's very interesting that you kind of get this you've had a bit of taste of this coming from the modeling world it's fascinating yeah yeah I guess I'm I'm a very intuitive person too so I think that and I'm a such a sensitive person too so I think that when I sense that I just tend to because how could I put this I just tend to like I'd rather remove myself from a situation than I want to like I really enjoy my own company so I wouldn't like try really hard to become friends with someone just because it's yeah this is why we became friends because I'm the same way it and it's not I think sometimes it could be mistaken for being aloof or not caring but the way you described you know not hanging out with people after your professional gigs modeling like I can relate to that on many levels and I know a lot of other people can because sometimes the work that you're doing or the scene that you're in it can even be your friends your social group isn't really allowing you to express who you are in a fulfilling way so that is not an uncommon thing and even if people aren't models or creatives it's something everyone can relate to of course right right well I mean also for me I mean in that situation I I chose I chose also like to go a route that was that was probably the first time in my life I mean actually maybe it wasn't made but then maybe it felt like it it felt like there was the first time in my life where I chose the insecure unknown path because I chose basically to be like okay well then I'm just going to work as a Pilates instructor or like a teacher and then not really and I mean I'm sorry but that's like that's that's quite a cut in payment yeah no shit from high end fashion by high fashion model to Pilates instructor it's quite a cut yeah it gave more made more sense and also I have to say in this in this process too who a lot of things happen so I actually I did a I I think I I was like I think something inside of me was so like oh my god like you need to have something like going on that's super like serious yeah like bubbling it's not serious like Pilates oh my god what are you even going to do with that you're making no money in and out so I was like I need to like doing something that also is like super serious and like that that gives you like a very eager driven like very much like oh said that like so people think you're smart yes yes I get it I get the desire to feel like you're actually doing something that you can tell people you do in the oh yes yes of course I get it like anchoring yourself in the the cultural reality totally yeah so I started studying political science oh me I didn't know that yeah well it was just I took classes in that and also took classes in history and in English so I did that online and eventually and honestly for a long time I thought it was like oh I'm over like I'm not sleeping enough which was true because I started being like my brain just wouldn't stop thinking about all the different things and what about the future and because where I'm at now I'm really really trusting the path and I'm in a different state but it's been a lot of work to get here but at that time I was very much like you know I might seem like it might seem great and stuff but I was very much doubting and having doubt and having fear and stuff yes probably daily yeah and eventually I was on a shoot and this is interesting I was shooting for a book called a hundred great days get a little advertising going there it's a really cool book it's and I was but and very well recognized and all this stuff I don't think I really wanted to do it they asked me for three years oh wow but they were doing a remake and they're like okay I actually want to be in it this is the last chance because we're not going to do it again so I was like okay let's do it so I went on a shoot with them and this was my last shoot in New York and it was up it was at 4am and it was up on Upper East and it was a nude shoot on the street and I was I've always been super comfortable in like being being nude because I you will you've seen me so like I'm not like I don't have like if you know it's like I don't have one of those like bikini-bae bodies with like you know like T&A T&A so so for me I was like I just I hadn't really thought of myself as like a sexual thing necessarily so so for me it didn't really matter it was like being neuter on the beach or something I get didn't really care I was wearing underwear it's your progressive socialist country nature that's yeah I just I don't really it's not a really big deal like yeah so but I was wearing underwear and so the makeup artist comes over to me in the middle of it and she was like oh you okay and it's like yeah I'm fine you know like and she was like I looked down on my body and I just had a rash that started from the toes all the way up to my like neck oh wow I had a complete physical reaction to like okay so this is it you can't do this anymore and after that I started having like break out some of my skin I've never ever had any problems with my skin so I started getting all these physical reactions which basically led me to needing to pull the plug and start over it's interesting how sometimes you get I'm always amazed at the mind's power over the physical because or whatever we want to call it you know whether you want to call it the body or the creative force of whatever it is it can step in and make a decision for you seemingly without you consciously being like yeah I should stop this now you're on the shoot and you get the rash and then it starts from there it's it's just it always fascinates me how this is such a common thing for so many people but it's so powerful I know but it's also interesting I love I love sometimes being around children I'm sure you realize that with Eli too because they're just if they're tired they sleep yeah they will cry and fully get food if they you know like if they're if they're angry they'll be angry if they're happy they'll be happy yeah we have like we have created this like crazy environment where we can be happy if we're not really happy like we can pretend to be happy or we can you know even I mean I'm guilty too like yesterday I was working until like probably 11 p.m. and I was ready to go to bed at 8 no but I we have stuff to do so we we push our stuff and force ourselves and we can only do that to a certain extent and I really am so grateful that that happened to me yeah and I'm so grateful for everything but it's just it's yeah so it's just it's hard to even believe that we keep because we that we keep doing this to ourselves yeah yeah yeah I mean it's it's it's hard to believe because it seems such an unnatural kind of rhythm to be in but it also seems like it just continues to ramp up pretty much for everyone and I think it's it's our culture right and I mean it's an easy cop out to say oh well it's our culture and that's why it's happening but you know working until 11 p.m. on a project is something that's culturally reinforced right especially in this country it is not something that you know we look at and say oh well this person is totally crazy we say oh they're working on something important that they need to get done and that's a shift that I think it's easier to you're you're doing what this is what I love if you do something that really gets to the root of these questions right you're working on something with Whitma that is supposed to alleviate people's stresses but yet you get the behind the scenes peak of what it's like to put on an event which paradoxically makes it stressful for you I imagine as time goes on you'll learn the lessons in these things and you'll be like you know what how do I do this that's the perfect harmony how do I achieve my balance with putting on these events and putting these things and you know what the truth is a lot of the time and it's awesome that there's people like you to do this is it is a lot of hard work and you do have to make sacrifices especially to get the ball rolling on a lot of these things and I'm sure like Zane has taught you about that too with the creative work it's not always smooth sailing sometimes there's grinding that needs to be done and yeah culturally how do we find the balance is a question and I don't think really anyone has figured out because it's just there's so many factors right money security ego social groups family there's just so many things weaved in but I do think knowing you and we'll talk about some of the growth you've made from the person who was doubting herself on a daily basis to kind of trusting the universe and process you know we'll touch on this but how I have confidence you will be able to figure this out for yourself sooner rather than later and then extend that out into the world because that really does seem to be a gift of yours just having known you so you'll get there I'm sure yeah I mean I think also like one thing that really became like a really powerful force for me was the people that I work with the private plants that I had at the movements one actually were really fucking badass women especially that like we're in top leading position in your and they were just falling apart and miserable yes like they were just I and they were like I sometimes just putting my hand on them that's of what also that's what the beauty of touch could do you know an intentional you know caring loving touch can just completely kind of you know like deteriorate all barriers like all kind of barriers and then just like just it's just an heart you can get a heart to heart moment right there and I think that I mean it sounds so basic and so kind of cliche like but like I just I really realized like we just need more love in this world yeah you know yeah and I think that having those moments you know and I think really helped me to the work that I'm doing here also like realizing who is really genuine to touch upon a little bit of what you were talking about earlier to like who who's because people are in the industry of wellness or in the industry of consciousness or whatever you want to categorize yeah yeah for different reasons but in the end of the day I think what my path has led me to is like what is it that I want to do or what is it that I want to hold space for and for me it's really like I want pure healthy heartful connections and I have also I mean I've also you know seen the back side of the point before yeah like you know but it's all learning experiences and if I can break down completely you know and then everybody else can I have so much faith in humanity you know yeah yeah yeah I mean it's a it's an interesting like you said a lot of people get into and it's not just a wellness and again there's no great name it's kind of like New Age 2.0 whatever what's going on now but there are enough genuine people who I think are like you like recognize that through your own personal experiences and seeing the experiences of other people that that genuine heartfelt connection heart to heart really is the antidote to so much suffering in our world and it it it sounds so simple it sounds so cliche like you say but actually creating spaces for that that aren't just in your home or with your partners who you're intimate with is a challenging thing to do in a world where it's not really supported you're not going to be totally supported to do that the the natural drive of anything that's popular even if it's doing a good thing is how do we exploit this and I don't mean that necessarily in a negative sense it's just how do we make this more popular how do we grow this how do we get more people involved and all of these other things can seep in at that point but you know I think you also touched on something that really when we first started connecting struck me which is that not only are you a strong woman yourself in business and just in your life and I loved working with you because you were so matter of fact into the point but you really have a great talent for pulling in other strong women and empowering them which is why like when I stopped doing a lot of the witness stuff and you partnered with denim like this is such a good partnership like these are two of the strongest women I know who are doing it for the right reason so whatever comes of this will have a positive impact what I know you alluded to it before but I mean have you always kind of been aware of the power of femininity and women in general because I mean I don't truthly I don't need a ton of people who who recognize their own power as women because it's not something that's usually taught to girls especially in this country so yeah I mean how has that been a part of your life oh that's such a good question and thank you I am so grateful for Jennifer Sudini like I I love her I am so in awe I generally speaking I just love surrounding myself as you said too with like women who are fucking mad but it's something that like actually I guess I have always done that and I I seek relationships in general that are different or or stronger than me or I don't know not to compare but just I just I love when you can have real conversations with people I I can't really and you can contribute I have our friends that are and I'm 31 and I have friends that are 10 years younger than me I have friends that are 20 years older than me I have friends that are you know and every single one teach me something and I can like be tears over like how fucking amazing some of my friends are including yourself and it's just I I in terms of like the woman thing that's that's so interesting you say it's a very Danish thing I think because we in the Nordic in the north and actually this is a probably good opportunity to to share a little bit else also anyway the the Nordic woman is a really powerful woman because imagine if you lived in a country where men and women get the same kind of like equal equal rights in terms of you know like we were just talking about your wife and about that she you know has she's going what is it she's her maternity leave starts like like a week or yeah before the due date yeah right yeah in Denmark it would be like I don't know a month or two before and also you get a year you know what I mean yes yes and and as a man you get six months and it's paid and you can also you can also put a pause on it so you don't even if you then if you don't decide to go back to work you will just have it for I think seven years or something crazy I know that's like that in Sweden at least I don't know the rules a hundred percent in Denmark but I know that Scandinavian generally speaking are really really good that way so what happened in Denmark though is that women don't really need men anymore because we can have children ourselves even like they really you can you know you can get fertilized for free you can get like wow you know you egg frozen for free you can get so and you have three goes like three tries also I didn't know any of this so interesting yeah so this is like a whole big debate that's happening in Scandinavia at the moment is that we're our men are suffering because you know one of the things that are there's pros and cons to everything but one of the beautiful things about this you know kind of honoring the man being the man and the woman being the woman which almost seems illegal to say nowadays because of so many different genders now you know but like you know that the beautiful thing about the man being the man and the woman being the woman or the man I should say being in his masculine and the woman being in his feminine yes yes sometimes can be that you can balance each other out you know or you know or if you're a woman with a lot of masculine which in our relationship my personal relationship I have a lot of masculine force in me because that's like the determination and like yes yes the point of this and my partner has a lot of feminine energy it's just so creative in this grace so it doesn't really matter in that way but the whole finding the beauty in that balance is really important so but growing up in Denmark it's it's like the land of powerful women like all the like it's I mean if you look at our government it's there's so many women if you look at leading physicians in the country it's there's so many women it's not it's not just excuse me but it's not just like white men you don't you don't have to say excuse I know that there are some people and I've been having this debate in conversation with some of my other friends who are white males and very few of them but some of them are sensitive to when people say you know it's not just white men or it's not just older white men yeah listen some of this shit is just facts we're not trying to attack white men I'm a white man I don't take offense when I hear that because I know what I'm doing I know I'm not an overlord oppressing classes of people at least consciously so I hear your caution but of course like at least on this show like this podcast like we like we use that term all the time without shame and trust the people listening to know that we're not casting aspersions on all white men so yeah I hear you though I totally hear you but actually this is something that I've been working on for the past couple of years but basically has let me because that idea and that imbalance that there is in Scandinavia or in the north in the Nordic countries has really let me to really think that there's like really a necessity for bringing for holding space for something where people can come together and um kind of learn and be inspired by these different ways where you can either see the different sides of you know the masculine and feminine and learn more about it and basically just learn how to see in your body because when you're in your body you can you can move from an open and a soft place and that's that's that's something that the Nordic countries could really benefit from I feel so actually in June I I'm gonna I'm I'm founding a with my with another business partner the first Nordic conscious festival in Copenhagen very cool 25th yeah that is really a I see I like you know another thing that you do well is you build bridges and you recognize things like you even mentioned something that I think gets lost when we're talking about a lot of these balancing masculine and feminine is that the suffering that can arise from men which when we're talking about that yes there's a lot of older white men and white men who rule a lot parts of the globe but that doesn't mean that there aren't white men who are suffering it doesn't mean that there aren't people who are experiencing culture shifts in different places in a hard way and I think being aware of that is the necessary first step for addressing it right I mean if you just gloss over it and think everything is black and white and oh yeah with the feminine rising let's just get rid of all the men which is what people some people actually think that that's not what this is about it's really it's just the way you know it's just not and and one of the things that I'm not very good at I'll say that straight up one thing that I've never been very good at is I don't I'm not very good at living and suffering I'm not very good at some people are really good at that like and like creating communities around suffering like let's get together and talk about all the shit we hate that said together and talk about like how we want more like you know like almost like angry activists yes angry activists yes yes it's absolutely the right word and I think you're describing predominantly what we're seeing not just with the political movement but what's going on in this country in general it's just we're losing the ability we've talked about this a ton recently the ability to to catch the nuances and subtleties of situations rather than just like slamming down our fist and saying we're angry at this we're outraged at this today and it's just that throughout history there are seldom instances even if they look like it's storming the best deal and we're getting rid of everything it's like it's it's not actually what leads to sustainable change which is understanding and addressing like systemic issues not just yelling at this new thing we're supposed to be mad at today yeah it's it's just it's it's it's so hard because you know I understand that people are really sad or even have been hurt or even generation has been like suppressed and that's something we want to continue to address I'm such a and I maybe it's actually something like I'm working on just being better at holding space for at least on in my personal life yeah because it is really good to be open to that but generally speaking like it's just not gonna happen I think it's pretty safe to say I'm not gonna hold space for a conversation based off of people just sitting and really bringing on suffering yeah you know I don't think we're gonna move anything that way I don't think that we're gonna change the world that way and a lot of people have gotten slightly upset with me yes and I especially people with traumatic suffering filled lives I can understand why that would be a trigger and I think it's important to say that most of the profound change one goes through in your life is a lot of it has to do with suffering we're talking about not dwelling in suffering and I have had I'm much like you if I get into a point where I'm suffering it's very acute and usually very short lived because I need to find a way to pull myself out and I've been fortunate enough and blessed enough that I haven't dealt with prolonged periods of suffering like an illness or a sickness you know for people who are close to me or myself which is certainly gonna give anyone a dose of it but I it's a very low tolerance for situations that are changeable if I see the change I'm gonna go towards that as quickly as possible so I get why it could be triggering to people but and I think it's different what we're talking about in terms of like talking about a traumatic experience and how that's helped you and what the feeling of that and living in that is like as opposed to just getting around and venting and yelling and screaming and being angry that almost never leads to any type of positive change you know what's so interesting is I actually had a conversation and with my friend who converted to muscleist converted to Islam and snow like full bone muscle and she wears like the whole burqa and everything and she's just the without a doubt the most smart smartest woman I've ever met in my life we met through college when I didn't go to college I like somehow always snuck my way into everything but like but like she's so amazing and I wanted to talk to her because I really wanted to understand again so I was like I really been one I was trying to like get a phone call with her and like we finally set up a call and I was like I need to understand what's what's been going on because it's it's so you know like it almost never happens that you know a well educated whatever like she works for like one of the biggest news newspapers in Denmark like she's super well educated converts to Islam and also to that extent I should say but she's been a reporter in Afghanistan and she she was she decided to and I really wanted to understand I was like this is so interesting I just she came to our wedding in Denmark and anyway so she explained also she explained everything and it was so interesting and I it was also very beautiful and at the same time she was then I was explaining how people treated her like almost like you're a betrayer of this kind of the country Denmark is everybody it's very easy to tell that she's you know she has light eyes she has light hair you know and anyway the whole point just being that we were sitting and talking now it's like she was like I'm really actually like nobody ever asked me this like people just people just assume that it's probably my husband who got me to convert or something and I was like no I just I really I want to I want to invite more people of diversity into anything that I potentially will create in Denmark so that we can kind of like start being like this this thriving force that can change thing on a on a on a international global scale and she was like well Anna I think this is because you understand because you're a minority and I was like whoo if she said that in America and like the end of the world because I'm just a white woman yeah in the end of the day I blew eyes I have light hair I'm just a tall white woman and she was like yeah but you are the only one from Denmark living in the US you left your entire family and all your friends behind and I had never thought about it like that and it happened at a time where two days prior I just had a conversation with someone about a particular panel that we're going to have at Whitma on identity politics and identity politics is going to be on not like you know the difference between being white or black for instance or it's going to be it's it's a much bigger topic you know we're going to have a transgender we're going to have a you know like Michael Beckwith is in the panel you know what I mean like it's but it was just I had it I had someone be kind of mad at me for for hosting a white man in that panel and um and I really really understood what you were saying I really did I really understood everything she was saying because she was also kind of just wanting she was she was literally saying that she she'd really like you know to have a conversation where that's just holding space for you know suffering pretty much in the end of the day and I really understand it's just not going to be with me but I'm happy to go to a conversation like that and listen it's not because I don't want to hear it it's because oh it's it again like in the end of the day and it's so hard again and I with all due respect and it's such a sensitive topic and also I am in the end of the day a white woman yes but I just I just don't think we're going to change anything that way well this is also another point and if you are a white man or white woman and you're doing well financially relative to the rest of the world there's two ways to look at that you can feel guilty and terrible and feel you're part of the problem or try to become an ally to people who are marginalized and disenfranchised and the easiest way to do that doesn't mean you start your own charity and foundation or even throw a huge event although that's very cool when you do it but it's to listen to people and give them an opportunity to be heard because that is truly the only thing that changes people's minds about any of the stuff and I think I saw that you were doing identity politics thing that is the coolest fucking thing I have heard in a long time because it's such a sensitive subject and it's so often overlooked in the creative spiritual new age sense because you know a lot of this stuff is just a lot of white people getting together at the end of the day and that doesn't mean that there aren't minorities and other people who shouldn't want to be involved so going out of your way to include those people and provide a space to talk about touchy issues I think is like that's really fucking cool like we need that's what we need we don't need you know to to be floating above this stuff and not speaking about what's going on because I think identity politics is really the theme at least of the past few years especially in this country it's where the most friction comes from it's where the most healing can come from if addressed in a in a good way so yeah that's that's that's really fucking awesome I have to say too and this is really how I see Whitma because it is well being in the modern age and I really see it as for me I think and this is really something that's that's how I've come that I've come to realize the last few years I really want Whitma to be a development of a new form of democracy because I think that you know again like let me do another shout out for socialism but like that we really need to be able to talk about everything and socialism is not like you live in Russia in the 30s you know what I mean like it's it just means that we we hear each other and we we value each other's opinion and also I'm sorry America but like you're so far behind I watched I watched the documentary on the middle yeah like I think it was like the middle ages and like the 1400 and in the Denmark yeah I'm that person that's awesome I love that chance anyway like the way that the whole system worked back then I was like oh my god like oh the top one three percent basically own the entire you know like wealth of the entire country and I was like and the way that they were doing politics I was like this is America yeah like this is crazy it's the dark ages it's so and I have certainly had my you know doubts about like oh and like kind of lost faith in the whole thing before and been like can we even change anything in this country like it's it's kind of depressing kind of keeping up with politics yes oh absolutely but at the same time I'm just I'm also like really recognizing this new way of you know like people who are ready to to see things in a different way and in Denmark like we like they're first of all there's like eight parties also I'm a bit of it like a nerd when it comes to Danish politics I really enjoy it but there are like seven or eight different parties and they're all having to collectively make this make decisions in the end of the day there's still a government where like one to three parties are part part of that but they still have to collectively make decisions together and people are like friends like I I really encourage people to make friends with people they disagree yes yes yes this is this is such an important point I regularly now speak to Michael Donovan who we we stretch each other's viewpoints and perspectives and we don't always agree but we always are are like amiable like we're nice to each other when we disagree and we can start to stretch our own kind of views and perspectives and like that those relationships will teach you far more than someone who you agree with all of the time not that those aren't wrong and I love being in sync with people I have a lot of those relationships but you can get caught in your own little social filter bubble that way not aided by the internet and it's important to have people who don't see eye-to-eye with you because you need to cultivate that perspective because not everyone we know this for sure is gonna agree with us all of the time so one hundred percent it's so important and it's so like also what Facebook is doing for instance is you know of course you make friends with the people that you went to school with and then it becomes like the people you have your partner's friends with and then like your social groups that you're I mean from school like but my my friend group is so diverse because I didn't have those kinds of like basic standard relations like the most people I didn't go the natural like kind of traditional way through life but a lot of people I think that went that way will have the social relations that you know are with with a lot of the same viewpoints as yourself so you know going out of your way to make friends also when you're in your 30s or 40s or 50s the 60s like it's so important it's just it's it's so important and that's really what I find it's so valuable that we've done with Whitmatsu because we're really trying to be this ecosystem where people can really benefit and learn from each other you know and sit with people that they might not agree with not to say it it by all means I'm no interest in mud fights at all right but I want to invite people to to talk with people is that they wouldn't necessarily step with and that's really that's honestly the silver lining between any through any project that I'm doing whether it's my sustainable active world line whether it's Nordic flowing Copenhagen whether it's Whitmatsu whether it's my curations for Sohouse or Norahouse like it doesn't matter it's all the same yeah yeah no it's that that's another reason we got a well got along so well is we kind of have this macro view of a lot of things amongst the things we're dealing other like specific things there's a couple of things I know you're you got a meeting coming up there's a couple of things I wanted to touch on before we get to the end I know you recently went down to Rythmia and did some ayahuasca and I'm very curious about your experiences with that particular plant medicine yeah that's so interesting because Rythmia is such an interesting institution too because it's it was my first experience with plant medicine so and it was with 70 women you know and a lot of people I think think of the plant medicine as you know a very sacred max 10 people kind of situation and for me I honestly thought even being without winning many women at the same time we're just so powerful in itself yeah so I don't know I'll tell you about my experience I don't know what fact you're in exactly yeah you know yeah I get it but yeah it was it was very interesting because and I can actually I can recommend to anybody who is interested and curious in in plant medicine and and want to feel really safe and you know like that Rythmia is a really great place and doctors everywhere you know like you're really yeah you it's it's like a place you can easily send your mom or dad yes yes it's a safe environment yeah yeah it's not like yeah it's a super safe and nice in my environment so but I had I could join three ceremonies and basically what they teach at Rythmia is like you know try to set in its intention for each ceremony and if you don't really know like just just go with an open high heart and an open mind and try to focus on what is it like it is show me who I've become heal my heart and then nurture me back with my soul and you can even divide it up one by one one day at a time right right right and so the first thing I was like show me who I've become and it was so interesting because first of all I had it was like I was so high know what like I was just like the color it was like being a part of like the Pink Floyd light show it's like everything was like this I kept looking at my neighbors I was like are you guys getting them? And I kept laughing and I kept saying I kept seeing I kept having the medicine tell me it's like I kept feeling like I was a little kid I was a little kid but I felt like I was a little boy and then I was like huh I asked the medicine in my consciousness like how how why am I a little boy and then I was like you remember how I'm a girl I think I said and they're like no you know the girl you're a boy and then I was like okay it's kind of fun being a boy it was like it was so childish everything was childish I even saw death but I saw him hugging someone or her the spirit hugging someone so I was like oh my god everything is fine and then I remembered in one of the teachings we'd had earlier that they said to me that like there's different stages you can go in through ayahuasca you know like when you're doing the ceremonies and then I remember them saying something about like if you fall asleep and you wake up and then it's just over that's like the ultimate stage you can see it yeah and it's not like I'd fall in the sleep so it's like oh my god I won I just felt like such a child the whole time and then we went up for seconds and as I was like like second rounds of serving and I went up and I looked out on my feet and my feet had thrown into the ground like I was like a tree and then I uh draped the second round and then everything went dark I just like went oh it's not so funny anymore it's like a gray everything was just like I was really nauseous and that I tried to perch and they were the medicines like you know it was probably not the medicine it's probably my higher self or something like that or my self-conscious was telling me you don't deserve to perch yeah okay I don't deserve to relieve anything and then I was like I'm ready to be a woman now and they were like you know you're not allowed to be a woman you don't deserve to be a woman and then I started walking around a little bit actually it's funny I remember because of male shamans that they female and male but it was female shamans leading it and then there were a few males walking around trying to assist and stuff and I was like it's so ridiculous but I was like I'm gonna entight them with my feminine energy and they didn't come so I was like oh my god I'm not a woman it was so ridiculous um so I got out and walked around a little bit and this amazing woman was a helper she was saying like do you need anything or do you need help and I was like I said I just want to play again I just want to be a woman I just I'm not a woman I want to play and then she started saying like and then I started crying and then she's like you're so beautiful you're fucking clean you're just like really sweet yeah but all I could think was just like you don't fucking get it you're just like I was I was getting into less really like negative yes yes and I was like oh you're so annoying and so I went back to my mat and then all of a sudden it was over and then I just we we had to collect and talk and everybody would talk about how amazing experiences I have and I just I was so angry that I just decided that now I couldn't speak anymore so I couldn't speak so woman people came over to try to my my amazing neighbor she was so wonderful this 60 something you're a woman she's such a beautiful spirit she's like petting my hair and she's like oh you're still there aren't you and I just couldn't speak and so she went over and she's like I'm gonna go get the shaman for you and I was like shaman she's chairman she's not even a real show yeah I know exactly the state of mind you're in been there yeah and then poor guy so then they were talking I was like this is stupid I can totally hear them and then they were like they were talking like let's just let her lie here and which is ready she'll let's try to get her up or like get to get her back to the room so anyway after a little while I went back and just wonderful wonderful man who was like taking people in these little carts back to the rooms that they were he was trying to figure out if I wanted to go home and where did I and he tries to be English and Spanish and and I couldn't speak so I just showed him my key and he just walked me to the room and it was it was so embarrassing it was like I was just like I could tell that I was being so rude to everybody and I could tell that I was being so mean and oh it was just but I just I couldn't help it I was like I was so angry with everything yeah yeah do you get like that often in life that I get angry and frustrated and I think honestly yeah I mean it's that to admit but I think I definitely have this kind of it was arrogance and I think I've had that a lot in the past and I probably still dealing with it but it was very much like in your face yeah no I get it because I mean yeah yeah just like for instance if people and it's I would like to say I used to it's never good but I use it in terms of like for instance I had a thing with like men who think that they are so hot or so like amazing and then they treat women not very well for instance or they just know they can get anybody in the work room and whatever I've had this thing in the past and it's so horrible but where I've just been like he was taking him apart yeah got to take you down a peg yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm just like this I don't know why that's such a trigger point for me but like you know because I don't know maybe because you know I know that I have a power in the that those types of men maybe would listen to me or would take value my opinion or something or and it's I was feeling a lot of this and it doesn't make me feel good at all of course not it's just making me feel like it's just it's like really it's really mean it's just being a mean girl it's like destructive yeah I totally get it yeah and interesting like but obviously also I've grown from there because now I'm like worrying about all the Scandinavian men's girlfriend right right right which is good I mean like all this stuff starts to make sense usually after the experience is when you're going through them it can be difficult but that's why I asked you if you have this in your life because it seems to me the issues for the people who really seem to get the ayahuasca experiences and it really seems to move them in a positive direction or at least show them things it shows them their trauma and their faults and that energy that looking at your shadow and looking at the things and parts of yourselves that you know aren't really harmonious or helpful to you or the people around you like that's medicine that's what medicine does so that's exactly what that's exactly right and I felt so embarrassed I felt so embarrassed having those thoughts but it definitely cleared up a lot and also it as it does like it just it helped me prepare me so well for the second day of ceremony too because it was left by men which was amazing and it was the most pleasant experience I've had ever in my life everything was filled with love it was so beautiful they have the most softest presence uh it was so wonderful I just got like a whole new all us women like 70 women we were just like one half one half sex with Jesus amazing yeah it was like we all just had this like complete collect it felt so genuinely collectively beautiful everybody were like oh okay let's just we have such respect for the male and the masculine and I just like found totally new found love and respect for my male partner in my life and you know like everything was so incredibly beautiful it was it yeah so and and then on the third day too it was like it was kind of a combination of the two because I went a little bit of the similar thing also the second two days I could actually purge which helps right right so but this the third day I actually was at a point where I felt I'm like very motherly energy so that when these trains of thoughts like or like these feelings of like you know I felt very connected to my womb I felt like when these when these thoughts like came up where I was like you know like being annoyed or frustrated or something I just get scented love and I also like if someone said something or there was very this that flow was not very good that night it was very interrupted people were like kind of talking all of a sudden and stuff so yeah but I send it love it was easy to get easy to get annoyed I would say but I just send it love and it was almost like oh that's it's kind of like when you are with children it's like they don't they don't like they don't know any better like they it's not their fault they're just playing or you know yes so it kind of but for me having so many ceremonies and also so many things happening and this is generally how to operate in life my integration period and my downtime and my silence is the way where I've gotten older downloads yes yes yes yes which is interesting that on the first day you couldn't speak so you had to sit and listen no I that's very very I love hearing people's stories with this because more of them than not for for people who are genuinely going in to learn something and discover which I know you would be one of those people like you get shown the coolest of things that maybe it's not as fantastical as like you're riding on an eagles back and soaring through space but you're learning about yourself which ultimately opens you up and puts you in a better position to help other people if that's what you want to do so I I love hearing these stories so much I also have to say though too like because I'm such like I I'm pro most things but I also have to say like plant medicine is not for everybody absolutely I really think also I mean I'm sure you've experienced it too because I wash has been introduced to me many times in my life and I've never felt called to do I've never done it I've never done it for that exact reason I know the difference I know the difference when something is calling me and when it's not I've been offered it I mean legitimately probably 50 times like and yeah we're going to the ceremony come along you want to go to this and I'm like now I'm good and and there's also something to the fact well that the way that I've been offered it has been like do you want to go to the Hamptons and do some of my wash like a party drug you know what I mean right and I just I've never felt called to and I think it's really good like you were doing too like wait until it feels that it's calling you or it feels ready because it's you have to have so much respect for this we've ruined this this medicine too like so many other plant medicines that we are kind of yeah or whatever and also I I have to say too there's stages I wash on plant medicine is a shortcut I see it as yes but there's a lot of ways that you can work with yourself through breath work or that you can get a safe down those but I understand too and this is why with me it's good in that way because you know it's a lot of a lot of women those only women when I went but like we're in the 60s or 70s which I thought was so awesome and they went because with their first experience with plant medicine and they went because you know they felt really protected and they felt like you know you kind of you can kind of there's a guidebook for anything there if there's something that you're not really certain about or what was that really happened there's someone to talk about everything I'm such a silent person in that set like right my daily life but like when it comes to anything where I have to I sit with everything and it's interesting because I made some really nice connections that with me but one woman came up in the middle of Germany and told me like you hold back in life just so you know and I was like that is so interesting that you say that but I'll take it you know what I mean yeah like anybody who knows me it's just I'm I always I always like it's almost boring how much I talk I wouldn't describe you as someone who holds back I think it's another reason we get along so much I mean I really admire when people are transparent and they're daily and are in regular interaction so it's funny but I mean you know who knows what's going through that person's mind when they come up and say that you know I and I think it's an admirable quality to be able to appreciate solitude which doesn't mean loneliness it just means being comfortable being alone it's a very important skill we come into the world alone we leave the world alone not in a bleak sad way we are obviously surrounded by people we love throughout but it's an individual experience for most of us so I I definitely get that too yeah well I know we're gonna run soon let's get to these ending questions this has been so much fun we need to do this more okay quick questions what's your favorite color blue nice what's your favorite number that's 11 okay what's your favorite animal I and a hug oh my god you're the first person it's like 180 episodes or something first person to say that why why hug I think it's my spirit animal I think it always it always shows up randomly like but but because I'm not really yeah I don't know I love it I don't really know I love it so much no one would say that except you that's why I love it no one's really get out to hog it's a big yeah amazing last question what's a practical tip that's helped you in your life that you could share with people listening could be anything I think oh that's a good question I think just trusting that you are that you like are the perfect version of who you're supposed to be and then you will keep growing and that will keep changing but just trusting that and take that take that with a grain of salt and humbleness and I mean truthfully we got to do this again in the not too distant future remind people what Whitma is where they can find it how they can get tickets and what's going on before we go here Whitma well being in the modern age it is a live stream pop-up conversation series that's happening uh are two main events is in Los Angeles and in New York and our next one coming up on April 20th in Los Angeles downtown LA at Hudson Love you can go to WhitmaLive.com and secure your ticket and see our incredible lineup of panel conversation panelists it's what that's called yeah and yeah we're going to have performance life performances it's going to be incredible friends involved too we're going to have a recharging room and a amazing amazing experiences happening throughout the day I trust that completely having worked with you before and knowing the attention and care you put into these things and of course Jen too so I know it's going to be good I will obviously have links and everything for people to get to this stuff easily but Anna thank you so much for coming on and doing this thank you so much Noah all right we'll talk soon we'll talk soon all right bye bye so [Music]

[Music] [Music] [Music] take a body down town take a body down town take a body down town [Music] [Music] [Music] take a body down town take a body down town [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] hope you enjoyed that episode Anna wonderful whittmalive.com is where you can get your ticket the event is April 20th 2019 I am pulling up my text messages as I speak and stall so I can get the code for you for this episode here we go code all caps whittma friend you have 50% off general admission so go check that out whittmalive.com a lot of speakers from mind pod network will be there Michael Philip Raminezer Zach Leary uh shit I feel like I'm forgetting a person and I shouldn't well Jen Soudini she's helping do it there's a lot of cool people there go check it out if you're in the LA area uh you know because it's cool and it's fun so that's it for this episode big thanks everyone listens past music uh I'm rating review help me get my ego up there I will I start comparing myself to my peers oh come on get those ratings up five stars if you can actually one star I don't give a shit just get them more ratings I think they just want to see something uh that's my pathetic plea for ego stroking and attention that's it for this week I will see you next week you can earn a $300 bonus when you open a new checking account at Walden savings bank our local team makes banking symbols porto and stress free that's the Walden way to earn the $300 bonus open a new Walden savings bank checking account and complete qualifying direct deposits or debit card purchases totaling $1,000 within your first 90 days the $300 bonus will be deposited within 30 days after requirements are met take charge of your goals for full details visit Walden savings dot bank slash the Walden Way, member of DIC equal housing lender.